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| 05:46 | <knewt> | boto: just to let you know, i emailed to lkml last night |
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| 11:15 | <knewt> | boto: just so that you know, the x86 tip now boots and shuts down ok as xen pvops |
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| 11:24 | <boto> | knewt: is the fix on x86.git#mm, or I should get this from somewhere else? |
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| 11:32 | <boto> | knewt: git tree e1d96d3e489d02b12984fb3c755b0f9a9ae0fe5f failed to boot here (but under x86_64 hv and dom0) |
| 11:32 | <knewt> | boto: both master & mm. ingo just put a pull request into linus for master, so that's probably the better place |
| 11:32 | <boto> | I think I am expecting too much, trying to boot it under a 64-bit hypervisor :) |
| 11:32 | <knewt> | heh |
| 11:33 | <knewt> | i definitely haven't tried that yet. i've got such a system though, so i can help with testing for people |
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| 15:11 | <Brenwil> | hi all |
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| 17:37 | <nenolod> | hi. |
| 17:38 | <nenolod> | why does Xen crash when there's 15 or so domU's? |
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| --- | Log | closed Wed Feb 13 17:46:21 2008 |
| --- | Log | opened Wed Feb 13 17:53:08 2008 |
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| 17:53 | <murb> | 2.6.24 has native support atleast for domU on x86 |
| 17:53 | <murb> | work is in progress for x86_64 and dom0 |
| 17:54 | <mijenix> | murb: but are there any patches for some 2.6 kernels? |
| --- | Log | closed Wed Feb 13 18:00:04 2008 |
| --- | Log | opened Wed Feb 13 18:00:28 2008 |
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| 18:03 | <mijenix> | murb: ? |
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| 18:06 | <nenolod> | is it a known issue that Xen crashes when there's 15 or so domU's? |
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| 19:57 | <roanth> | Hello ! |
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| 20:14 | <roanth> | I have some questions on the Xen memory system. |
| 20:14 | <yxiong> | ? |
| 20:15 | <roanth> | I wanted to know if there is any plan to support memory overcommitting in Xen ( like in VMWare ESX server) ? |
| 20:15 | <yxiong> | i'm unable to answer this |
| 20:16 | <roanth> | ok, are you aware of the Xen memory balancing topic ? |
| 20:17 | <movement> | roanth: no plans I'm aware of |
| 20:17 | <yxiong> | roanth: i think so |
| 20:17 | <movement> | roanth: you can of course balloon individual domUs to over-commit by hand |
| 20:18 | <roanth> | ok, so is there any effort to automate this ? |
| 20:18 | <movement> | not afaik |
| 20:18 | <roanth> | if not, then I could probably do it as a project |
| 20:18 | <yxiong> | hehe |
| 20:19 | <roanth> | would there be any use in having an automatic memory balancing system ? |
| 20:20 | <yxiong> | ofcourse |
| 20:21 | <yxiong> | but this will be very hard |
| 20:21 | <roanth> | I was looking at some emails in the xen-dev list and also the roadmap and there is some issue about the interaction between baloon driver, xen and guest |
| 20:21 | <roanth> | I'm just not sure what the problem is exactly, could you explain ? |
| 20:22 | <yxiong> | automate memory balancing is the problem |
| 20:22 | <yxiong> | you will have few ideas how to make it |
| 20:23 | <yxiong> | and then |
| 20:23 | <yxiong> | you will remind me ;) |
| 20:24 | <roanth> | Im guessing there needs to be a way to detect memory pressure in the guest and then this information should be used by a central controller to take pages from other guests and assign it temporarily to the guest who needs it. |
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| 20:25 | <roanth> | what part is hard, is it detecting memory pressure in the guest ? |
| 20:26 | <yxiong> | your dectector will take memory from other guests to sattisfy the one who got less mem just for moments, while other guests lost memory due to reporting idle.. but just after the mem was taken it was needed |
| 20:26 | <yxiong> | it can be harmfull, so i say it will be very hard to do |
| 20:27 | <yxiong> | i still learn english, i hope you got my point |
| 20:28 | <roanth> | yes, I think I understand (your english is quite ok) |
| 20:28 | <yxiong> | many thanks |
| 20:29 | <yxiong> | i think you will focus on prediction |
| 20:29 | <roanth> | what exactly is the balloon driver currently used for ? I remember a while ago I tried using it (xen 3.0.1 think) and it was not very useful then. |
| 20:29 | <roanth> | Prediction would be application dependent , would'nt it ? |
| 20:30 | <yxiong> | yep |
| 20:30 | <yxiong> | unable to answer previous question |
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| 20:31 | <roanth> | I tried using it to reduce the memory already assigned to a guest vm and it worked but only to some small extent. |
| 20:33 | <roanth> | it wasn't terribly useful so I'm wondering how its currently used. |
| 20:34 | <yxiong> | if you solve all problems releated to your potential project it will excees your expections, indeed that would be one of great things but as you see, so many problems with this |
| 20:35 | <roanth> | I dont quite understand what you mean ? |
| 20:37 | <yxiong> | lets say it works perfectly |
| 20:37 | <roanth> | what works perfectly ? the balloon driver ? |
| 20:38 | <yxiong> | no, the driver is bad, make your own, if you solve all these problems which i doubt it will be just more than great |
| 20:39 | <yxiong> | im irritated, hard to express myself |
| 20:39 | <roanth> | ok, why is the current driver bad ? |
| 20:40 | <yxiong> | for autobalancing you need a bit more agressive resources management |
| 20:40 | <yxiong> | not like take this value, expect it to take little less, hopefully it will take more.. |
| 20:40 | <yxiong> | you must take ammount you need to take |
| 20:40 | <yxiong> | and face consequences |
| 20:40 | <yxiong> | ;) |
| 20:41 | <yxiong> | was this driver dedicated for automated tasks, no |
| 20:42 | <roanth> | ok, I think I understand |
| 20:42 | <yxiong> | bao'h xa |
| 20:42 | <yxiong> | i would join you about this but not with my english 'skill |
| 20:43 | <roanth> | ok, no problems. thanks for you help so far. |
| 20:43 | <roanth> | are you on the Xen-dev list ? |
| 20:43 | <yxiong> | my uncle is |
| 20:44 | <yxiong> | i mean i am but he write what i say |
| 20:44 | <roanth> | oh, ok :) |
| 20:45 | <yxiong> | worst thing is when you know the way to solve |
| 20:45 | <yxiong> | but peoples dont get you, think you crazy |
| 20:45 | <yxiong> | all because of language |
| 20:45 | <roanth> | yeah, I understand, must be tough. |
| 20:46 | <yxiong> | this project you dedicate to yourself? or school or ? |
| 20:48 | <roanth> | well I haven't decided what to do for a project, Im looking for a topic for my MS thesis/project. |
| 20:48 | <roanth> | Funny how I just ran out of ideas just when I needed them |
| 20:49 | <yxiong> | you are girl or boy sorry to ask ? |
| 20:49 | <yxiong> | i advice you to think about some thing else than what you intend to do |
| 20:50 | <roanth> | Boy :) |
| 20:50 | <yxiong> | its just me but saying its very hard, trust me on word |
| 20:50 | <roanth> | ok, I'll discuss it with my professor. |
| 20:51 | <yxiong> | i would like to know your decision so visit when you decide and share |
| 20:51 | <yxiong> | ;)) |
| 20:51 | <roanth> | ok |
| 20:51 | <roanth> | by the way, what are you working on ? |
| 20:51 | <yxiong> | maybe i manage some time to contribute |
| 20:51 | <roanth> | ok, thanks |
| 20:52 | <yxiong> | i work with hands until i dont know english perfect, learning for month now can write but not so well, two 3 more and i think that will be it, i was in japan engineer |
| 20:53 | <roanth> | ok . Do you do any Xen related work (programming) ? |
| 20:54 | <yxiong> | no but im interested in virtualization, im assigned to team at sun, will know more when i arrive, that or that i spend my time for adding this and this |
| 20:55 | <yxiong> | so happy and irritated |
| 20:57 | <yxiong> | i finished drawing you concept of mem automation |
| 20:59 | <yxiong> | in fact, you gave me great idea |
| 21:00 | <roanth> | ok, drawing as in , a sketch ? |
| 21:00 | <roanth> | I don't know if its possible to be Happy and irritated at the same time :) |
| 21:01 | <yxiong> | you know how it is to be smarter and feel like more stupid ? |
| 21:01 | <roanth> | :) |
| 21:01 | <yxiong> | return to me when you make decision |
| 21:01 | <yxiong> | i keep the draw |
| 21:01 | <roanth> | so you work for Sun ? |
| 21:02 | <yxiong> | sad story |
| 21:02 | <yxiong> | they buy peoples |
| 21:02 | <roanth> | "buy" ? |
| 21:02 | <yxiong> | can say i was sold hehe but i wanted to see world |
| 21:03 | <yxiong> | they when notice some peoples might be very usefull they make propositions to familys as was in my case |
| 21:03 | <yxiong> | i want to curse in japnese |
| 21:03 | <yxiong> | and i need to do it in english :) |
| 21:04 | <roanth> | how do they make propositions to families ? thats very odd |
| 21:04 | <yxiong> | not more odd than family who accept the offer :) |
| 21:05 | <yxiong> | i cry but i wanted, its not like that, i little colorized |
| 21:05 | <yxiong> | if i for sure not want they cant make me |
| 21:05 | <yxiong> | want but dont want |
| 21:05 | <yxiong> | iritated but happy |
| 21:05 | <yxiong> | ;) |
| 21:06 | <roanth> | so sun made an offer to you and your family and you couldn't refuse ? |
| 21:06 | <yxiong> | i wanted my mom not wanted hehe i poor lier |
| 21:06 | <roanth> | You know, from your userid I thought you were Chinese. |
| 21:07 | <yxiong> | my id ? |
| 21:07 | <yxiong> | what do you mean |
| 21:07 | <nenolod> | hi, why does the balloon driver cause networking to crash? |
| 21:08 | <roanth> | ya, "yxiong" .. it appears Chinese to me. |
| 21:08 | <yxiong> | again baloon ;) |
| 21:08 | <roanth> | neno, could you elaborate ? |
| 21:08 | <yxiong> | i not sure if we should talk about it |
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| 21:08 | <yxiong> | peoples sometimes have foreginers for wifes |
| 21:09 | <yxiong> | and then you are mixed |
| 21:09 | -!- | knewt is now known as Guest7 |
| 21:09 | <roanth> | ok, so is that your name ? |
| 21:10 | <yxiong> | yes |
| 21:10 | <yxiong> | no |
| 21:10 | <yxiong> | you mean this nick is my name ? no |
| 21:10 | <roanth> | oh, ok. |
| 21:11 | * | yxiong points at roanth and cracks up laughing |
| 21:12 | <nenolod> | roanth, with balloon driver enabled, after having 15 or 16 domains running with 2.6.18-6 dom0 (etch security updates), the networking backend gets screwy and all dom0/domU lose network |
| 21:12 | <roanth> | so will you work for Sun in Japan or elsewhere ? |
| 21:13 | <nenolod> | roanth, with balloon driver disabled (dom0-min-mem 0), things seem to be ok |
| 21:14 | <yxiong> | nenolod: roanth will rewrite balloon |
| 21:14 | <yxiong> | hopefully |
| 21:14 | <roanth> | neno, did you do a search through the xen-dev and xen-user mailing list. This may have come up earlier |
| 21:14 | <roanth> | hmmm .. don't know about that yet |
| 21:15 | <yxiong> | you can make jokes but i wait tomorrow for you |
| 21:15 | <yxiong> | i am aware of fact how i sound |
| 21:15 | <yxiong> | called my uncle he will assist if i start something |
| 21:16 | <yxiong> | so you wont need to read my crapglish |
| 21:16 | <roanth> | :-) |
| 21:16 | <yxiong> | how old you are ? |
| 21:16 | <roanth> | very old :) what about you ? |
| 21:16 | <yxiong> | and from |
| 21:17 | <yxiong> | me 24 |
| 21:17 | <roanth> | I'm currently in the US. |
| 21:17 | <yxiong> | jankic'anki |
| 21:17 | <yxiong> | ;) |
| 21:17 | <yxiong> | just kiddding |
| 21:17 | <roanth> | am of Indian/mixed origin |
| 21:17 | <yxiong> | and you died from wondering why i have chinese title |
| 21:17 | <roanth> | what does that mean |
| 21:17 | <yxiong> | hahaha |
| 21:18 | <yxiong> | jankie dogs |
| 21:18 | <yxiong> | jankess |
| 21:18 | <yxiong> | how it spell |
| 21:18 | <yxiong> | its joke ofcorse |
| 21:18 | <yxiong> | ;) |
| 21:18 | <roanth> | whats a jankie ? |
| 21:18 | <roanth> | did you mean "yankee" ? |
| 21:18 | <yxiong> | usa boys |
| 21:18 | <yxiong> | yes |
| 21:18 | <yxiong> | ;) |
| 21:18 | <roanth> | ha ha .. well I'm not from US, just am here now |
| 21:19 | <yxiong> | world is small |
| 21:19 | <yxiong> | you have reason to not tell |
| 21:19 | <roanth> | not tell what ? |
| 21:19 | <yxiong> | your origin |
| 21:19 | <yxiong> | no |
| 21:19 | <roanth> | I just told you my origin |
| 21:19 | <yxiong> | age |
| 21:19 | <yxiong> | :) |
| 21:19 | <roanth> | 33 |
| 21:20 | <yxiong> | looks like random |
| 21:20 | <yxiong> | output;) |
| 21:20 | <roanth> | what is random output ? |
| 21:20 | <yxiong> | i have no business in your personal details |
| 21:21 | <yxiong> | hold |
| 21:21 | <yxiong> | you put this conversation in wrong direction |
| 21:21 | <roanth> | what ? |
| 21:21 | <yxiong> | ah no power to explain such trivials |
| 21:22 | <roanth> | ahh,, smart, happy, irritated and no power ... :) |
| 21:24 | <yxiong> | i can 20 times tell you |
| 21:24 | <yxiong> | and you ask 21 it might run out of power |
| 21:24 | <yxiong> | dont you think |
| 21:24 | <yxiong> | and since you said u smart i no doubt |
| 21:25 | <yxiong> | now im mad |
| 21:26 | <roanth> | no I didnt' say I was smart, I said you were smart (or so you claimed earlier) |
| 21:28 | <yxiong> | im smart to give you advice look i assume your position your head full of ideas but not when needed you come full of doubts what to make on some more important moment for you then you think to ask teacher who should teach you to find answers on your own and even that you judge what i say |
| 21:29 | <yxiong> | i sound stupid i realize but what i say is not stupid but peoples pay attention on way i talk not on sense |
| 21:31 | <yxiong> | im scared of future as you |
| 21:31 | <roanth> | by any chance are you a girl ? :) |
| 21:32 | <yxiong> | girl |
| 21:32 | <yxiong> | how can i be girl |
| 21:32 | <roanth> | it was just a question |
| 21:32 | <yxiong> | im not ! |
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| 21:33 | <yxiong> | girl stay home |
| 21:33 | <yxiong> | where her place |
| 21:33 | <roanth> | ok ok ok |
| 21:33 | <roanth> | relax |
| 21:33 | <yxiong> | dziewczyna szamana nie zazna nigdy snu |
| 21:34 | <yxiong> | http://radio.ipv6.man.poznan.pl:8000/zloteprzeboje.ogg this i relax |
| 21:34 | <yxiong> | some exotic radio |
| 21:36 | <roanth> | why are you listening to polish radio ? |
| 21:37 | <yxiong> | because sound good |
| 21:37 | <yxiong> | i can dance this music |
| 21:37 | <yxiong> | :))) |
| 21:43 | <roanth> | ok yxion, I have to go, bye. |
| 21:44 | <yxiong> | i go as well |
| 21:44 | <yxiong> | bye |
| 21:44 | <roanth> | see you later |
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| 23:45 | <clarkbox> | hello all.... wondering if anyone has exp running a win 2008 HVM ? |
| 23:46 | <clarkbox> | i can get it to boot and all, but once i connect via VNC, the video is garbled |
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