TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#xen:2007:02:22

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03:57	<stephan>	brendan: I have found some of your checkpoint patches for xen, very interesting, I will have a closer look at it
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07:02	<logbot>	anyone knows where to find xen virtual appliances ? like wmware provide ?
07:09	<murb>	logbot: I'm not sure anyone has created any.
07:09	<murb>	there are certainly ready to run demo CDs.
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07:15	<logbot>	murb: thanks ;)
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07:57	<otavio>	Hello folks. I'm having a domU loading problem. It gets stuck on [2007-02-22 11:56:34 xend 2644] DEBUG (__init__:1072) hotplugStatusCallback /local/domain/0/backend/vif/4/0/hot
07:57	<otavio>	plug-status
07:57	<otavio>	Any tip?
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10:40	<logbot>	anyone knows where to change xvc0 to tty1 in dom0 xen conf ?
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11:05	<stephan>	hi, does anyone knows the cause of ctxt.user_regs.edx being 0 in suspend mode? I want to find out the mfn of the start_info page to map it.
11:14	<hollisb>	rharper: 970's large page size is in fact 16MB
11:15	<hollisb>	rharper: I'm not sure if that's something Xen should enforce during ballooning though
11:17	<brendan>	don't think I've ever seen edx 0 after the suspend hypercall.
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11:21	<stephan>	brendan mysterious ...
11:24	<stephan>	to suspend a domain i use xc_domain_shutdown(xc_handle, domid, SHUTDOWN_suspend), right?
11:26	<brendan>	I don't remember perfectly at the moment, but I think what's supposed to happen is you write 'suspend' to the domain's control/shutdown entry in xenstore, firing a watch in the guest kernel that lets it set up for suspend, including writing the suspend record into edx.
11:26	<brendan>	I can't remember what xc_domain_shutdown would do
11:26	<brendan>	it may do that
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11:29	<stephan>	Ah, ok, I forgot that.
11:35	<brendan>	what exactly are you building btw?
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11:41	<stephan>	I want to rollback the state of domain to a previous state very fast.
11:43	<stephan>	and between two checkpoints I only want to save the differences between them, to get checkpoints also very fast
11:43	<brendan>	I am also intending to do that :)
11:44	<brendan>	what's your approach to device handling?
11:44	<brendan>	are you going to run in shadow mode continuously?
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---	Log	opened Thu Feb 22 11:44:34 2007
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11:45	<brendan>	your rollback sounds like it might be very handy for backward debugging
11:45	<stephan>	at the moment I have no approach to handle devices, that the problem for now
11:45	<brendan>	ah.
11:46	<stephan>	shadow mode is always on
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11:48	<stephan>	something like debugging, to be concrete I want to inject faults
11:50	<stephan>	btw. I have no disk, my system in domU runs in a ramdisk
11:51	<stephan>	ok, thats not really true, the os in domU is initially read from a readonly disk
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12:32	<stephan>	brendan ok, suspended the domain the right way. When I try to resume it, the os in domU immediately crashes. (ebx == ecx == deadbeef)
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12:45	<stephan>	I assume the domU kernel should also prepared for that, so I have to build the right kernel
12:59	<brendan>	stephan: you should probably read my checkpoint patches again fairly closely :)
13:00	<brendan>	domU is probably crashing because it turns console/store mfns to pfn, but doesn't turn them back
13:00	<brendan>	But with unstable, you can just write 1 into eax before resuming to have the domU fix itself up
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13:15	<zamf>	Hi, I am new here. I have two questions.
13:15	<zamf>	1. will gdb server give me debug information from domU kernel?
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13:16	<zamf>	2. what happens when you do an arping "any_host" from a domU? are you able to send multiple probes?
13:16	<zamf>	I can only send one.
13:16	<zamf>	Thanks
13:17	<brendan>	xen comes with a gdbserver that can debug a domU kernel
13:19	<zamf>	Thank you, I was just installing it now hoping to debug a send_fake_arp error in netfront.c
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17:04	<JefeWORK>	I started a domain with xm create -c, now I want to detach the psuedo-serial console. How do I do that?
17:07	<hollisb>	^]
17:07	<hollisb>	(like telnet)
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17:12	<JefeWORK>	Sweet. Thanks.
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17:17	<riel>	don't try telnet from inside a xen console
17:17	<riel>	you won't be able to escape from that telnet :)
17:18	<murb>	riel: i have a shell wrapper somewhere that looks up the pty in xenstore and connects a screen to it, problem solved :-)
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18:55	<icblenke>	you know, that'd probably be a better solution than spawning a xenconsole in screen.
18:55	[~]	icblenke tries it.
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19:01	<icblenke>	screen `xenstore-read /local/domain/1/console/tty`
19:01	<icblenke>	sure enough.
19:02	<Shaun2222>	i wrote a patched for xenconsole that gives the pty ownership of the customer and then xenconsole if run as the user trys to attach to his console...
19:02	<Shaun2222>	works great so far..
19:03	<Shaun2222>	also a symlink of the pty is added to /home/user/console
19:05	<Shaun2222>	i suck at C and Python, but ideally it would be nice to have a pty_uid option in the config so that when the ptys are created that they are set to that uid/gid
19:15	<icblenke>	what's more fun: the pty doesn't start up immediately. xenconsole just keeps retrying until the pty shows up.
19:16	<icblenke>	so, yeah, you'd really want to patch xenconsoled to do that as soon as it creates the pty.
19:18	<icblenke>	I'd be very hesitant to give a customer a shell on my dom0.
19:18	<tonyb_>	icblenke: but you can give them an ssh that will only run one command, and lt it do the work.
19:19	<tonyb_>	icblenke: I do that with mercurial, so I can give people commit access without letting them play with the machine.
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19:24	<icblenke>	sure, until someone realizes that they can stack overflow your one command and work themselves into a nice exploit.
19:25	<icblenke>	sure, you can lock down a dom0 with selinux, etc, there are always ways to mitigate the risk.
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19:58	<movement>	you seem to be presuming that dom0 is secure against a malicious domU. That's far from clear right now.
20:01	[~]	brendan has been having fun crashing xen in the shadow page table code today
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21:38	<surriel>	movement: herbert found a lot of problems in his security audit - those have all been fixed now, but I'm convinced there must be more
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22:06	<g8se>	I'm new to xen. Can someone tell me what the /var/lib/xen/save/* files are for? (using Debian xen package)
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22:58	<g8se>	I've just setup a new server I'm going to run xen on. I only gave the dom0s root file system 1G of space, and it filled up quicker than I thought it would. Part of the reason is big files in /var/lib/xen/save. But I don't know what these files are, and how much space I should allow for them
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