TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#xen:2007:02:05

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02:54	<rindolf>	Hi all.
02:54	<rindolf>	From where can I download a tarball of a seed repository? http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/downloads/xen-unstable.hg.tar.gz is unavailable.
02:54	<rindolf>	muli: here?
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03:28	<rindolf>	Anyone?
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04:35	<tab>	rindolf: nowadays, you just clone directly the mercurial repository
04:35	<rindolf>	tab: OK.
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06:53	<msinhore>	hello all
06:54	<msinhore>	I start the xen 3.0.3 and the peth0 wasn't created.
06:55	<msinhore>	I'm using a network-bridge script. The peth0 in this case isn't necessary?
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07:45	<MackAck>	Is there a way to make a deb package out of a 'dist' generated by 'make dist' ?
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07:47	<MackAck>	I want to compile my own xen and kernel, and make a deb package.
07:47	<MackAck>	How are debian xen packages created ?
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09:48	<icblenke>	by debian maintainers.
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09:50	<icblenke>	makekpkg is decidedly painful when dealing with building Xen kernel packages, just so you know ahead of time.
09:51	<icblenke>	so painful, in fact, that I gave up after 3 days of fighting with it and just went with a metapackage of tarballs.
09:51	<icblenke>	upgrading the debian xen-utils and xen-common from 3.0.3 to 3.0.4 was painless, however.
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11:17	<hivemind>	i'm trying to get HVM working, and get "Error missing device model" I have compiled it from source on a E6400
11:20	<icblenke>	do you have a line like: device_model='/usr/lib/xen/bin/qemu-dm'
11:20	<hivemind>	in the cfg?
11:21	<icblenke>	yes. what do you have in your cfg now? (use a pastebin)
11:22	<hivemind>	strange, adding that line made it work
11:22	<hivemind>	the domain started anyway
11:23	<hivemind>	the config file snippet:
11:23	<hivemind>	kernel="/usr/lib/xen/boot/hvmloader"
11:23	<hivemind>	device_model="/usr/lib/xen/bin/qemu-dm"
11:23	<hivemind>	builder='hvm'
11:23	<hivemind>	memory = 64
11:23	<hivemind>	name='Hera'
11:23	<hivemind>	disk = ['file:/mnt/sandbox/hera.img,sda1,w']
11:24	<hivemind>	i get this after a successful start: xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory
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11:28	<hivemind>	what's up with that?
11:28	<icblenke>	hvm doesn't use consoles, unless you use serial='pty', and then only as a console to the first serial port.
11:28	<icblenke>	hvm uses framebuffer consoles. SDL or VNC. not xenconsoles.
11:29	<hivemind>	so... i had this VM working under paravirtual. i can't just make it hvm, can i?
11:30	<icblenke>	you can. but you need to turn your paravirt disks back into a partitioned image with an MBR that boots to a "normal" (non-xen) kernel.
11:30	<icblenke>	there really isn't a good reason to go from PV to HVM.
11:30	<hivemind>	can't do images with HVM?
11:30	<hivemind>	PV is just as fast?
11:31	<icblenke>	faster.
11:31	<hivemind>	oh?
11:31	<hivemind>	I started out running Xen under a 64bit Dom0, but couldn't use PV'ed 32bit guests
11:31	<icblenke>	right.
11:31	<hivemind>	would i be able to use 32bit HVM's if dom0 is 64?
11:32	<icblenke>	if you want 32bit guests in a 64bit hypervisor, you must use HVM.
11:32	<icblenke>	you could use a 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace.
11:32	<hivemind>	thought so
11:32	<hivemind>	i want to use CentoS, and there wasn't a PC friendly 64bit image out there
11:32	<hivemind>	er PV
11:33	<hivemind>	so in HVM, i could just mount an installCD image. right?
11:34	<hivemind>	i thought HVM has better performance over PV on a cpu with VT
11:36	<icblenke>	No. That isn't the case.
11:37	<hivemind>	so the only advantage of using HVM is so you can mix architectures (32 under 64) or run os'es unmodified (does the TLS problem still exist under hvm?)
11:37	<icblenke>	that's two questions.
11:37	<icblenke>	yes.
11:37	<icblenke>	and no.
11:38	<hivemind>	so TlS bug isn't in HVM, there's one reason right there
11:39	<icblenke>	it's not a "bug". negative GS segment offsets are just slow to emulate. it's best to rebuild your glibc without negative segment offsets. the TLS warning is just telling you that the emulation will be slower than if you fixed your segment offsets.
11:39	<hivemind>	ok.
11:39	<hivemind>	i have a gentoo distro running very smoothly under PV. (32bit)
11:40	<hivemind>	a Centos DomU has issues with TLS stuff )mysql)
11:40	<icblenke>	newer distributions have the no negative segment (nosegneg) fixes applied, and don't need any kind of "fix".
11:40	<hivemind>	newer then... what?
11:41	<icblenke>	depends on the distribution.
11:41	<hivemind>	Centos?
11:41	<icblenke>	no clue. I don't use Centos.
11:42	<hivemind>	so... to get a HVM installed, mount a cd image and 'imstall' to the virtual HD
11:42	<icblenke>	right.
11:43	<hivemind>	sounds easy enough. i'd need VNC as the box doesn't really have a usable vga card (serverbox)
11:43	<icblenke>	and if you really want speed, I suggest building and using the unmodified_drivers for the PV devices, rather than the qemu emulated chipsets.
11:49	<hivemind>	all these things really need is network drivers
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12:08	[~]	LostFrog dreams of his patched dom0 kernel working with the b44 driver.
12:19	<LostFrog>	Thank god for CD-RWs
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12:22	<LostFrog>	Guess I need to buy a couple of network cards.
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12:59	<hivemind>	i need to do a pci.hide from dom0. put this in the bootloader: "kernel /boot/xen-3.0.gz physdev_dom0_hide=(06:04.0)(06:05.0)(06:06.0)" but lspci still sees them
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13:03	<swingle>	hi
13:03	<swingle>	does anybody know which is the right kernel driver for the touch pad emulation in linux?
13:04	<hivemind>	its a synaptics?
13:04	<swingle>	the one provided by xen
13:04	<swingle>	i dont know what it is thats why im asking :)
13:04	<swingle>	they call it usb touch pad emulation i think
13:05	<danp3>	IIRC it doesn't need a kernel driver
13:05	<hivemind>	yeah
13:05	<danp3>	there's some 3rd party X driver for it
13:05	<swingle>	im using qt on the framebuffer
13:05	<hivemind>	touch pada are mice, thats it, they'll work a such without a driver
13:05	<swingle>	touch pads are absolute devices, mice are relative that looks like a difference to me
13:06	<swingle>	so theres not a kernel module that can give me a /dev/something to access the device?
13:08	<hivemind>	should be like /dev/mouse?
13:08	<swingle>	dunno :(
13:08	<danp3>	they generally appear under /dev/input/*
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13:08	<swingle>	danpb_ltop, thats only if i compile the right module
13:09	<swingle>	and i dont even know if theres a right module for that device
13:10	<danpb_ltop>	swingle: there's two options - one appears as a USB tablet
13:11	<danpb_ltop>	which should just be picked up by a regular USB input driver i think
13:11	<danpb_ltop>	the other option exposes the tablet via a serial port
13:11	<danpb_ltop>	http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/srg/netos/xen/readmes/user/user.html#SECTION04340000000000000000
13:12	<danpb_ltop>	read " A.4.3 Mouse issues, especially under VNC"
13:12	<hivemind>	anyone know why my pci.hide thing isn't working?
13:14	<swingle>	hmmm /dev/input/event2
13:14	<swingle>	i hope QT understands that :)
13:14	<swingle>	danpb_ltop, thx
13:14	<MackAck>	icblenke: thanks. (just saw your earlier messages). so how did you build that metapackage ?
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13:21	<hivemind>	i need to do a pci.hide from dom0. put this in the bootloader: "kernel /boot/xen-3.0.gz pciback.hide=(06:04.0)(06:05.0)(06:06.0)" but lspci still sees them
13:21	<icblenke>	lspci will still see them. as long as a driver isn't bound to them, you're fine.
13:22	<hivemind>	still get this: Error: pci: PCI Backend does not own device 0000:06:04.0
13:22	<icblenke>	the user guide documents how to unbind/bind PCI devices.
13:23	<icblenke>	google "xen user". section 5.3.1.3.
13:24	<icblenke>	echo 0000:06:04.0 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/pciback/new_slot
13:24	<icblenke>	echo 0000:06:04.0 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/pciback/bind
13:24	<icblenke>	that is, of course, after you unbind that PCI device from any dom0 driver that might already have it.
13:24	<hivemind>	yeah
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13:27	<hivemind>	it apparently worked, kudzu freaked out.
13:27	<swingle>	is it possible to assign a usb device to a domain without using the console?
13:27	<swingle>	id like to do it programatically
13:32	<icblenke>	there is "xm block-attach", but no "xm usb-attach" if that's what you're asking.
13:33	<icblenke>	it looks like usbdevice is just mapped into an argument for qemu-dm
13:34	<swingle>	:(
13:35	<icblenke>	what you're looking for is something like qemuctl, if that's even possible.
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14:13	<hivemind>	getting this: add bridge failed: Package not installed. plenty of vifs in existance, one peth no bridge
14:13	<aliguori>	hivemind: try installing bridge-utils
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14:13	<hivemind>	they're on here already, the net WAS working
14:14	<hivemind>	now its broken
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14:16	<hivemind>	any ideas?
14:17	<hivemind>	# brctl addbr xenbr0
14:17	<hivemind>	add bridge failed: Package not installed
14:17	<hivemind>	it was working before.
14:18	<LostFrog>	install bridge-utils?
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14:20	<hivemind>	isn'tbrctl part of that?
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14:21	<icblenke>	brctl is what creates the bridged interfaces as part of network-bridge and vif-bridge
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14:21	<icblenke>	if you have brctl, you have bridge-utils installed.
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14:21	<LostFrog>	ohh sorry..
14:21	<icblenke>	brctl addbr xenbr0
14:21	<icblenke>	brctl addif xenbr0 vif1.0
14:22	<LostFrog>	I thought you said file not found. :(
14:22	<LostFrog>	I got that package not found error when the bridge module wasn't loaded before.
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14:23	<hivemind>	an ip addr show has bond0, lo, dummy0, eql, eth3 and many vif's
14:24	<icblenke>	can you run "brctl addbr xenbr0" and does that work from a shell prompt as root?
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14:24	<icblenke>	afterward, do you see a xenbr0 interface?
14:24	<hivemind>	# brctl addbr xenbr0
14:24	<hivemind>	add bridge failed: Package not installed
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14:24	<hivemind>	no kernel mods since it last worked
14:24	<icblenke>	did you build your kernel?
14:25	<icblenke>	you need the bridge.ko kernel module loaded (or monolithically linked)
14:25	<hivemind>	its in thre, like i said, it was working before, and i haven't touched the kernel since it last worked.
14:25	<icblenke>	now you get to debug why brctl isn't working.
14:25	<icblenke>	entirely not a xen problem. this is a linux problem.
14:26	<icblenke>	that brctl command needs to work if you ever hope of having xen bridging working.
14:26	<icblenke>	start with strace: strace -f brctl addbr xenbr0
14:26	<hivemind>	i've been playing with the physical interfaces, using pciback.hide causes all manner of mayhem
14:27	<icblenke>	that should spit out a heck of a lot of crap. in the end, before it errors out, you should see some system call that fails.
14:27	<hivemind>	ioctl(3, 0x89a0, 0xbf84cbf4) = -1 ENOPKG (Package not installed)
14:27	<hivemind>	ioctl(3, SIOCSIFBR, 0xbf84b920) = -1 ENOPKG (Package not installed)
14:29	<icblenke>	your bridge module isn't loaded.
14:29	<icblenke>	modprobe bridge
14:29	<icblenke>	that is, assuming your kernel was even built with bridging support.
14:29	<hivemind>	yes
14:29	<icblenke>	lsmod \| grep bridge
14:29	<icblenke>	is it loaded?
14:29	<icblenke>	does modprobe bridge return without error?
14:30	<hivemind>	like i said, it worked before, only after i stopped messing with pciback.hide is it broken
14:30	<icblenke>	reboot?
14:30	<hivemind>	lets see
14:30	<icblenke>	granted, it's weird that pciback of binding has anything to do with bridging
14:30	<icblenke>	pciback or binding, rather.
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14:31	<Megabart>	hi all
14:31	<hivemind>	could be because the peth it was bound to went bye-bye?
14:31	<hivemind>	and is now back
14:31	<Megabart>	i've the problem with swap in xen domU
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14:32	<icblenke>	megabart: there's not really anything difficult to that.
14:32	<icblenke>	hivemind: I doubt peth0 has anything to do with brctl not working.
14:32	<hivemind>	same error
14:33	<icblenke>	after reboot?
14:33	<hivemind>	ya
14:33	<icblenke>	find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'brctl.ko'
14:33	<icblenke>	lsmod \| grep brctl
14:33	<icblenke>	sorry, bridge
14:33	<icblenke>	not brctl
14:33	<hivemind>	nothing in lsmod
14:33	<icblenke>	lsmod \| grep bridge
14:33	<icblenke>	also, find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'bridge.ko' -print
14:34	<hivemind>	nothing there either
14:34	<icblenke>	dmesg \| grep -i bridge
14:34	<hivemind>	bridge: version magic '2.6.16.33-xen SMP 686 REGPARM gcc-3.4' should be '2.6.16.33-xen SMP PENTIUM4 REGPARM gcc-3.4'
14:34	<icblenke>	there you go then.
14:35	<icblenke>	your bridge module isn't loading.
14:35	<icblenke>	you built it with a different ARCH
14:35	<hivemind>	hmm
14:35	<icblenke>	which means you changed your .config between building your vmlinuz kernel and building the bridge module for it.
14:36	<brendan>	or simply forgot to copy the modules into the guest filesystem
14:36	<icblenke>	this is on his dom0.
14:36	<brendan>	don't mind me
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14:41	<hivemind>	rebuilding modules
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14:46	<icblenke>	at this point, I daresay _most_ "Xen problems" stem back to Linux problems and have very little to do with Xen.
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14:47	<icblenke>	usually Linux distribution packaging issues.
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14:50	<LostFrog>	fc6 comes with everything working.
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15:07	<icblenke>	I've seen dozens of users come through here complaining about initrd issues with fc6, among other things.
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15:10	<LostFrog>	But those are issues for #linux, no?
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15:26	<icblenke>	yes. tell them that.
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15:39	<LostFrog>	lol.. ok.. I'll hang around and harrass them. :)
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15:51	<icblenke>	don't. this channel is for everyone, not just developers. those questions are fair game.
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17:41	<icblenke>	Fabrice Bellard has opensourced kqemu.
17:46	<brendan>	nice
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