TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#xen:2007:01:29

---	Log	opened Mon Jan 29 00:00:57 2007
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02:12	<C-Otto>	icblenke: i have no information about netloop, where is it loaded? do i have to install it?
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04:38	<rindolf>	Hi all.
04:41	<rindolf>	How do I get my Xen-Enterprise VM to have access to the DomU eth1?
04:41	<rindolf>	At the moment it only has eth0
04:42	<murb>	rindolf: doesn't xen enterprise come with comical support?
04:43	<rindolf>	murb: I suppose.
04:43	<murb>	do you mean to the dom0 eth1?
04:43	<rindolf>	murb: to the eth1 of the hypervisor.
04:44	<murb>	the hypervisor doesn't have any devices.
04:45	<murb>	well not for ethernets and things.
04:45	<murb>	rindolf: you want to route / bridge it?
04:45	<murb>	or add the pci device directly in your domU?
04:47	<rindolf>	murb: I'm talking about the eth1 of the dom0 I think. The Xen-based OS that controls the other virtual machines.
04:47	<rindolf>	murb: I want to route /bridge it.
04:50	<murb>	rin5Cdolf: problem with getting support here is i think they've changed the control stuff in dom0 with the commerical support.
04:50	<rindolf>	murb: OK.
04:53	<murb>	probably you have a bridge in dom0 i tmight be called something misleading like eth0
04:54	<murb>	you should be able to just brctl addif eth1 eth0 or whatever
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04:58	<kalden>	hi anibody can help me ?
04:58	<kalden>	can i use an unmodified windows o.s. with a dual processor computer under Xen Linux
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05:08	<rindolf>	murb: I'd like to export the eth1 interface as eth1 on the VMs.
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05:30	<kalden>	hi
05:31	<kalden>	Can i use Windows in a DomU with a two cpu's computer (Pentium III)
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05:38	<hensema>	kalden: not on a P3, no
05:38	<hensema>	only on cpus supporting virtualisation
05:39	<kalden>	xen can't give a processor to an o.s. ?
05:39	<hensema>	on your cpu, only to osses supporting paravirtualization
05:39	<hensema>	in practice this only includes open source osses
05:41	<kalden>	thanks for your help
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07:04	<@MarkW>	Lo all
07:09	<rindolf>	Hi MarkW
07:10	<@MarkW>	rindolf: Yo
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09:44	<zul>	hey
09:46	<n9yty>	Quick Q: Is there anything inherent in a FC6 system that stops me from upgrading to xen-unstable? I had a CentOS4.4 install using xen-unstable, but decided to switch it out for FC6. I saved all my source trees/etc, reloaded FC6, put in requrements like SDL-devel, dev86, etc, and recompiled. Everything went OK, I can reboot into the new xen-enabled kernel, dom0 works fine, but if I try to create a VM using the previously-working config files, I always get an Err
09:49	<danpb>	n9yty: well xen-unstable.hg is still on an outdated kernel tree compared with fedora
09:50	<danpb>	we've got an initial cut of Xen 3.0.4 release built into Fedora 7 test1, but its fairly rough so far
09:50	<danpb>	the most important thing if you're going to build kernels from xen-unstable is to get th PAE settings correct
09:51	<danpb>	ie, Fedora requires PAE turned on
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09:52	<n9yty>	Okay, so pardon an ignorant pern here, but where exactly do I do that? I read in the default config that PAE=1 by default, do I have to enable that in the xen config too?
09:53	<n9yty>	I'll do some more reading and try to attack it from that front, that is more helpful than the weekend I spent trying to track it down, at least it is a ray of hope. :) :)
09:53	<danpb>	actually if you're using the very latest xen-unstable.hg i think they switched it to default to PAE turned on
09:53	<n9yty>	I did notice that I kept getting the warning about /lib/tls even after I disabled them, even after running ldconfig... It seems the prefetch info was stale, so I foced that to rebuild and got that warning to go away.
09:54	<n9yty>	Yeah, I pulled the latest unstable hg down last night, same behavior.
09:56	<n9yty>	I just came to the conclusion that something was inherent in the FC6 install that wasn't liking my xen config, but I'm just starting to play with it so I didn't know where to look. That (Error 22: 'Invalid Argument') is really misleading, it seems to point to a config file issue, although the same config file worked fine when I had CentOS 4.4 as a base dom0.
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09:58	<danpb>	n9yty: hmm, are you sure you upgraded the userspace to xen-unstable.hg correctly - that message should have been replaced by something useful in latest xen trees
09:59	<n9yty>	Well, I did in a new directory: hg init, hg pull <url>, and hg update. Then did a make world and install. I verified that the various components (lib/bin/etc) all were updated to the correct timestamp, nothing stale left from the default FC6 installed versions.
10:01	<n9yty>	Just checked my `xm dmesg` output, and PAE is enabled on my current build.
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10:02	<n9yty>	Does it build OK using the FC6 installed gcc 4.1.1 ?
10:02	<n9yty>	I thought CentOS 4.4 was maybe using the 3.x chain still... I could be wrong, I started with that, got it running as a test bed, and then decided to move to FC6 right away.
10:06	<n9yty>	going in to the tools/check directory and running: chk build and chk install both show everything to be OK.
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11:08	<n9yty>	Interesting, `xm info` lists total_memory as -677886 and free_memory as 0. The example I followed listed the grub entry as dom0_memory=262144 as a default, and it seemed logical. However, is that a byte value or a MB value, so should it be dom0_memory=256 or dom0_memory=256M or is this not relevant to my crashes?
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11:20	<tab>	n9yty: it build OK with gcc 4.1 in debian unstable
11:23	<n9yty>	Ok, thanks, so that's not my problem... One more thing that's off the list at least.
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11:40	<C-Otto>	where do i get "netloop"? it is missing in my configuration (so i don't have veth0)
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11:51	<icblenke>	CONFIG_XEN_NETDEV_LOOPBACK
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12:00	<C-Otto>	thanks, i found my error
12:00	<C-Otto>	old version of xen, old kernel
12:25	<zul>	does anyone know where i can find the xen-port-patches.py script from novell?
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12:28	<icblenke>	sounds like a SuSE thing.
12:32	<zul>	icblenk: it is but the novell developers might be here
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13:44	<DrX0>	greetings - anyone know how to install Windows under Xen/SLES10?
13:47	<jwb_>	DrX0, i did it under fedora core 6
13:49	<DrX0>	jwb_, SLES has a Xen management console screen that lets you choose the installation source and it can really save a world of pain.
13:49	<jwb_>	DrX0, so does fedora
13:49	<DrX0>	jwb_, it gives me 3 options: Network Install, CD/DVD, or ISO.
13:49	<jwb_>	DrX0, anyway, the key to getting it to work for me was hitting F5 when the windows installer prompted for 3rd party drivers and selecting "standard pc"
13:50	<DrX0>	jwb, good tip, how do I get the Windows installer started?
13:51	<jwb_>	boot off the CD? the fedora virt-manager did that part for me
13:53	<DrX0>	SUSE opens the CD and displays the contents, but when I choose CD/DVD in the vm mgr it is asking for a kernel location and of course this doesn't apply to windows
13:54	<DrX0>	jwb_, I did make an ISO, maybe I'll try mounting the ISO instead
13:55	<jwb_>	DrX0, yeah... and to make sure... you have VT enabled hardware right?
13:55	<DrX0>	jwb_, of course I do have Vt
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13:56	<DrX0>	jwb_, btw, did you run XP or 2003 Server?
13:56	<jwb_>	XP
13:58	<DrX0>	jwb_, will 2003 server run under Xen?
13:58	<jwb_>	i have no idea
13:59	<brendan>	is anyone else getting a 'permission denied' traceback from xm create on xen-unstable? looks like it's at xc.sched_credit_domain_set
14:01	<DrX0>	jwb_, so even with the ISO it is asking for SUSE & kernel installation sources... it doesn't seem to have an option for Windows.... am I missing something?
14:01	<jwb_>	DrX0, not that i know of
14:02	<DrX0>	jwb_, it does say here that SUSE can install from any of the 3, but non-SUSE can be DVD or ISO only....
14:03	<DrX0>	jwb_, how did you get the setup.exe started?
14:03	<jwb_>	DrX0, the virt-manager program just did it for me. i don't know how it did it though
14:05	<DrX0>	jwb, huh, well, i got to that point by choosing ISO & Xen-enable source path (which it's not really) and it seems to need a Windows VM File.
14:05	<DrX0>	jwb, did you have to create one?
14:05	<jwb_>	no. it just ran off the CD
14:06	<DrX0>	jwb_, did you have to install Xen separately/manually under Fedora 6, or was it an installation-time choice & was there ANYTHING manual you had to do?
14:07	<jwb_>	DrX0, other than the F5 thing, nope... fedora is pretty well integrated
14:14	<DrX0>	jwb_, I had another problem when I installed SLES Xen guest, it wouldn't give me a GUI (text only) -- did you try Linux guest and did you get a GUI (GNOME, etc)?
14:14	<jwb_>	i have in the past. but i've never used it on SLES
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14:15	<DrX0>	jwb_, I mean under Fedora...
14:16	<jwb_>	yes, but it's been a while since i tried
14:16	<DrX0>	and the GUI came right up and you didn't have to do anything manual?
14:16	<jwb_>	manual inside the guest?
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14:17	<DrX0>	either way (manual = mount drives, edit conf files, create or edit vm configuration files, etc)
14:17	<jwb_>	virt-manager did all that at install time. to start it back up, all i would have to do is: xm create <name> where name is the name of the guest
14:18	<DrX0>	jwb_, do you know how to start it automatically at system startup?
14:18	<jwb_>	that i don't know
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14:23	<DrX0>	jwb_, if I understand correctly, I can just download & install Fedora 6, selecting installation-time option for Xen, then boot with the Xen kernal boot choice, and pop in the Windows CD/DVD and launch a VM Manager in Fedora and point it to the CD/DVD and it will fire up the installation, then choose F5 and Standard PC and it will install Windows?
14:24	<jwb_>	yes, i believe so
14:24	<jwb_>	i don't recall having to do anything else
14:26	<DrX0>	jwb_, sounds easy enough. I didn't realize Xen support was built into Fedora 6 Core. most other distros you have to install it separately.
14:26	<jwb_>	virt-manager is the application to start
14:27	<DrX0>	jwb, so you run that from the command line?
14:28	<jwb_>	DrX0, yes, or select it from the Gnome menu
14:28	<DrX0>	jwb_, do you know how to add a block device to a Xen domain?
14:28	<jwb_>	no, i'm a xen newbie myself
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14:33	<DrX0>	how to create a new sdb device handle (e.g., sdb4) for a newly created partition?
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14:38	<icblenke>	this is really a developer channel. ##xen on freenode is more of a newbie channel for asking such questions.
14:38	<icblenke>	(I listen on both)
14:38	<n9yty>	Is there a fedora-xen channel?
14:39	<icblenke>	not that I am aware of.
14:41	<n9yty>	Man, FC6 is kicking me all over. The stock install works, but if I try to upgrade to xen-unstable it freezes the system on domU creation. I backed all my xen-unstable out, reinstalled the fedora xen-libs and xen userland stuff, booted with their kernel and all is fine.
14:41	<aliguori>	danpb is a one man fedora-xen channel :-)
14:41	[~]	danpb hides
14:42	<aliguori>	hehe
14:42	<DrX0>	jwb_, did you follow a particular how-to?
14:42	<n9yty>	Hey, dan, you were here before... I'm flummoxed. I backed out my built xen-unstable, and revered to the latest fedora built stuff and it works again. The strangest part is when I boot under my installed versions, I get VERY WEIRD numbers from `xm info` for memory, -677886 free, for example.
14:43	<jwb_>	DrX0, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC6
14:43	<n9yty>	I reverted using: rpm -e --justdb --nodep <packagename> followed by yum install <packagename> to put back the FC6 versions.
14:43	<danpb>	n9yty: i'm think that can only mean you didn't get the xen-unstable.hg correctly installed
14:44	<danpb>	eg you somehow ended up with xen 3.0.3 userspace & xen-unstable.hg kernels space, or some even wierder mixture
14:44	<n9yty>	Well, both xen-unstable.hg and xen-3.0.4-testing didn't work. I'm pretty sure I am doing it correctly, because I did do this on a CentOS 4.4 dom0 before I wiped it out to put on FC6.
14:45	<danpb>	the very wierd numbers from xm info is because the hypervisor ABI changed a few days ago - so if you don't have 100% matched kernel & userspace it'll be reading from garbage areas of memory
14:45	<n9yty>	and as far as I can determine, the dates/timestamps on all binaries/libraries for xen are matching a current build.
14:45	<danpb>	of course another possiblity is that xen-unstable.hg is broken in some way
14:45	<n9yty>	But I'm just about to wipe it out to try again.
14:45	<danpb>	but then at least 3.0.4 ought to work
14:45	<n9yty>	Is 3.0.4-testing more reliable than -unstable, or not guaranteed?
14:46	<icblenke>	also, what are the current 3.0.4 downloadable tarballs of? the 12/20 tagged "RELEASE" of 3.0.4, or a more recent 3.0.4-testing snapshot?
14:46	<n9yty>	icblenke: I didn't use tarballs, I just pulled via hg from 3.0.4-testing
14:47	<danpb>	3.0.4-testing is the current stable branch
14:47	<n9yty>	At least the fedora bundled stuff does work, I just have to figure out why the versions I build don't, and the error messages I get are extremely unhelpful. Oh well, I'll persevere. I'll be back, I'm sure. :)
14:48	<danpb>	xen-unstable (as its name suggests) is potentially unstable & may eat your data, kick puppies & other bad stuff :-)
14:48	<DrX0>	speaking of Fedora, what happens when you need paid support -- what options do you have?
14:49	<danpb>	DrX0: the forthcoming RHEL-5 release will have the same core Xen stack as you get in Fedora Core 6, but with support, certification, more QA, etc
14:49	<n9yty>	Ah, the trouble with 3.0.4-testing for me is that my ethernet doesn't seem to work in that build of the kernel, but it does in .18+... Also, the areca RAID board needs it's drivers loaded in, but I think those work in .16 as well as .18, they won't mainstream until .20 from what I can determine.
14:50	<DrX0>	can you upgrade Fedora 6 to Redhat 5 easily?
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14:51	<danpb>	DrX0: there's no officially supported upgrade path between Fedora & RHEL or vica-verca
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14:54	<DrX0>	should I use the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Fedora (I have a 64-bit IBM Xseries 3500 server with hardware RAID), but my Windows is only 32-bit?
14:55	<danpb>	for fully-virt / HVM guests, you can happily run a 32-bit guest in a 64-bit host
14:56	<DrX0>	so running 64-bit Fedora 6 with 32-bit Windows is OK, huh?
14:56	<DrX0>	(under Xen)?
14:56	<icblenke>	yes.
14:56	<danpb>	DrX0: yeah, shouldn't be any trouble
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14:58	<DrX0>	Can Xen run 64-Bit Linux guests also?
14:58	<icblenke>	yes. on a 64bit hypervisor.
14:59	<DrX0>	killer!
15:01	<DrX0>	btw, any preference for Reiser vs ext2 vs ext3 for a VM block device partition?
15:02	<icblenke>	for lvm2'ed block devices, I prefer xfs or ext3. for file: or tap:aio:, ext2 or another non-logged filesystem is suggested.
15:03	<danpb>	don't use XFS
15:03	<icblenke>	why not?
15:03	<danpb>	it has a bug which will result in data corruption on sparse files when used with blktap
15:03	<icblenke>	again, I only use xfs, ext3, or a logged filesystem on lvm2 block devices (logical volumes)
15:03	<danpb>	shouuld be fixed in upstream 2.6.20 i believe
15:03	<DrX0>	i'm using lvm block device, why ext3 instead of reiser?
15:04	<DrX0>	(I heard reiser was better than ext3)
15:04	<icblenke>	reiserfs has lost more data for me...
15:04	<danpb>	reiserfs data recovery tools completely suck
15:04	<icblenke>	as long as your reiserfs kernel driver is matched to the userspace reiserfs toolset, a reiserfsck shouldn't lose too much data.
15:04	<icblenke>	if your userspace doesn't match your kernelspace version of reiserfs, goodbye data.
15:05	<icblenke>	(should you need to reiserfsck)
15:05	<icblenke>	that, and namesys is rather languishing with hans and his wife's disappearance and all.
15:06	<DrX0>	how do i ensure my userspace always matches my kernelspace?
15:06	<icblenke>	you just do.
15:07	<icblenke>	welcome to the role as a linux distribution maintainer.
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15:07	<DrX0>	what steps would make them mismatch?
15:08	<icblenke>	this really isn't a xen question.
15:10	<tab>	DrX0: just stay away from reiserfs
15:10	<tab>	there's no match with userspace and kernelspace
15:11	<DrX0>	OK, so back to Xen, it's asking for the partition containing the boot files... is this the Linux host boot file parition or the Windows guest paritition?
15:12	[~]	icblenke loves being proved wrong.
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15:26	<DrX0>	It says "file system not exported?
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15:28	<DrX0>	the VM Manager says "filesystem ... not exported" and won't continue
15:31	<DrX0>	I'm trying to install Windows under Linux/Xen, and I have to specify the "paritition containing the boot files", so I specify the same paritition I want the OS installed on, and it says "file system not exported"
15:33	<DrX0>	incidentally, if I specify nothing, it says "error: partition containing kernel and RAM disk cannot be empty" which leads me to believe that it wants the Linux host boot parition, not the Windows guest boot partition, sound about right?
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16:46	<stegbth>	good evening
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16:59	<DrX0>	I'm trying to connect to an ISO image located at /dev/sdb1. When the drive mounts, nautilus calls it EXTERNAL/ISO/Windows.ISO What is the Linux path to the ISO file?
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17:06	<stegbth>	is it possible to startup x11 in Dom0 and WXP in a guest with graphical frontend?
17:07	<icblenke>	yes.
17:07	<stegbth>	or can only one graphical system run at the same time? (on xen express?)
17:08	<icblenke>	no idea about xen express. you can run many "graphical" systems (HVM systems or PV systems with framebuffers) at the same time. SDL gets a new window, VNC gets a new VNC listener that you can connect to from a vncviewer.
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17:22	<brendan>	xm save is not working for me with tip.
17:22	<brendan>	I get 'saving memory pages: iter 1 0%', then save failed
17:23	<brendan>	anyone else seen that?
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17:36	<DrX0>	hello, the single quotes got stripped out of the python script to load a VM, when I put them back as ' I get an error, printout shows ` and the closed version I can't find on keyboard
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17:49	<DrX0>	what does boot=d (in the VM config file) mean?
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18:02	<tab>	DrX0: you booting against the D: drive (cdrom)
18:03	<tab>	you can find the other options in "qemu -h"
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18:10	<DrX0>	/usr/sbin/sm create w2k3.hvm yields "Error: <ProtocolErrro for /RPC2: 500 Internal Error"
18:14	<aliguori>	DrX0: wow, you've done something quite bad
18:14	<DrX0>	it may be because the server is returning the string as a type string and not unicode, but don't know what to do about it...
18:14	<aliguori>	you should post your xend.log and xend-debug.log in paste bin
18:15	<aliguori>	don't use uncode strings in xm config files
18:15	<DrX0>	actually, I don't really care if this script runs or not, do you know how to install Windows 2003 Server in a SLED10/Xen scenario?
18:15	[~]	aliguori dislikes that python even has unicode strings
18:15	<aliguori>	DrX0: read the docs.. it is documented, i promise
18:15	<aliguori>	i know novell has a page about it specifically
18:16	<aliguori>	google a bit.. they have a page that walks through, with screen shots, how to install both PV and HVM domains
18:17	<brendan>	is xm save working with tip (PVM) for anyone?
18:19	<DrX0>	aliguori, i searched google and Novell and see how to install Linux and OES, but not Windows
18:23	<aliguori>	DrX0: you're not looking hard enough
18:23	<aliguori>	DrX0: you really ought to get familiar with the sles documentation
18:23	<aliguori>	http://www.novell.com/documentation/vmserver/
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18:28	<DrX0>	aliguori, I have that documentation, but it doesn't really tell you anything. It's filled with statements like "complete the entries on the xyz page" -- useless
18:31	<aliguori>	DrX0: if that's not good enough, I don't know what to tell you
18:32	<aliguori>	that's pretty thorough
18:35	<DrX0>	aliguori, for instance, I get the error "Hotplug scripts not working" They don't mention that at all.
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18:41	<DrX0>	it says that the VM is running and it should be available in another window but I don't see that window
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19:21	<DrX0>	how do you ctrl-alt-del in a VM?
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19:38	<DrX0>	HELP! I just installed Windows 2003 Server in a Xen Guest and now my system says "...the superblock is corrupted and you need to run this utility with the --rebuild-sb.
19:40	<riel>	what is your host OS ?
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