TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#xen:2007:01:19

---	Log	opened Fri Jan 19 00:00:09 2007
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04:38	<nantes_geek>	hi everybody
04:38	<nantes_geek>	is there anyone from nantes in france ?
04:54	<hensema>	you wanna date? wink wink
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05:33	<nantes_geek>	lol
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06:25	<nantes_geek>	re
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07:48	<nantes_geek>	re
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09:02	<nantes_geek>	à part des décos recos ya pas d'action ici ?
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11:01	<swingle>	hi
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11:03	<swingle>	im having some problems using xen inside a chroot with glibc and python installed (these are the only things i installed)
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11:03	<swingle>	when i do xend start it doesnt complain
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11:03	<swingle>	but then i do xm list and i get an error
11:03	<swingle>	it says it cant connect to xend and asks if its running
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11:05	<swingle>	the exact error is "Error: Unable to connect to xend: No such file or directory. Is xend running?"
11:05	<swingle>	does anybody know what it can be?
11:05	<icblenke>	strace and lsof are your friends.
11:06	<movement>	and /var/log/xen/
11:06	<icblenke>	that too.
11:06	<swingle>	/var/log/xen didnt give me any useful info
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11:06	<swingle>	and strace spits hundreds of lines
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11:06	<icblenke>	export XEND_DEBUG=1; export XENSTORED_TRACE=1
11:07	<icblenke>	swingle: right. find the strace line where it tries to stat() or open() the control socket for xend.
11:08	<swingle>	thats /dev/xen/something ?
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11:11	<icblenke>	do you have /proc mounted in your chroot? do you see /proc/xen/privcmd?
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11:12	<swingle>	i have it bound to the real /proc -> mount --bind /proc /..../chroot/proc
11:12	<swingle>	i can see exactly the same as in the real proc
11:12	<swingle>	and xend creates 2 nodes in /dev/xen
11:12	<swingle>	named evtchn and blktap...
11:12	<swingle>	or something like that
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11:13	<icblenke>	http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XendInternals
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11:14	<icblenke>	http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XendInternalsIncomingCommands
11:14	<icblenke>	is your xend listening on /var/lib/xend/xend-socket ?
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11:15	<swingle>	i cant check it out now but maybe not
11:15	<swingle>	if it isnt what can be the reason?
11:15	<icblenke>	you might want to take this over to the ##xen channel on freenode, to keep this clear for developers to communicate.
11:15	<icblenke>	I'm not entirely sure why you're trying to chroot this either.
11:16	<swingle>	im preparing an embedded system
11:16	<swingle>	im building it in a chroot
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11:16	<swingle>	then ill zip it and move it to its final location
11:16	<icblenke>	an embedded x86, ppc, or ia64?
11:16	<murb>	swingle: you are trying to pivot_root or equiv after starting xend?
11:16	<swingle>	x86_64
11:16	<swingle>	murb, no ill run a diskless machine
11:17	<swingle>	it will all run from the initramfs
11:17	<swingle>	ive got plenty of ram
11:17	<swingle>	:)
11:17	<icblenke>	how are you handling your logs? syslogng to a central syslog collector?
11:17	<swingle>	im not using loggers
11:17	<swingle>	i could implement a dumb logger that does nothing if needed
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11:18	<murb>	swingle: btw why the bind mount, why not jus tmount /proc again
11:18	<murb>	?
11:19	<icblenke>	as long as it is visible within the chroot, it shouldn't matter.
11:19	<swingle>	im used to do it that way, theres no special reason
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11:20	<icblenke>	if you're adept enough to chroot yourself an "embedded build", strace/lsof should be second nature to you anyway.
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11:20	<swingle>	icblenke, of course i can use strace and lsof but id prefer a fast aswer if possible
11:21	<swingle>	and btw im at home now and i cant try anything until i get back to work on monday
11:21	<murb>	swingle: best you try a bit harder then ask some more questions if you are still stuck.
11:21	<icblenke>	the fast answer is "you're doing something unique, the solution to your problem is going to be unique to your install"
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11:21	<murb>	swingle: i've seen things like tha tin the past due to mismatchde tools / kernel /xen
11:22	<swingle>	icblenke, i thought glibc + python + xen should be enough to run it because nobody said it wasnt
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11:23	<swingle>	that has nothing to do with me doing something unique
11:23	<swingle>	brb
11:23	<icblenke>	This is the fist time I've heard of anyone attempting to chroot a Xen control harness. That is rather unique.
11:24	<icblenke>	Not that it should be any different than running it from the native root.
11:24	<riel>	and probably rather pointless, since the hypervisor ops give you the possibility to manipulate your own memory, to escape from the chroot :)
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11:25	<icblenke>	(assuming the native root isn't running any xenstore/xenconsole/xend processes and there are no guests, and the chroot has /proc mounted with the correct /dev devices and userspace to run the xen tools fully)
11:25	<icblenke>	riel: it's a build environment thing, not a perceived security gain. thankfully.
11:26	<swingle>	:)
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11:26	<swingle>	yeh i chrooted it just to test the system
11:26	<icblenke>	so you hadn't run the xen-utils in the dom0 natively yet.
11:26	<swingle>	not when i tried it inside the chroot
11:27	<swingle>	i ran them after trying it to make sure they worked
11:27	<icblenke>	and the chroot is the same arch as the native dom0? ie, x86_64?
11:27	<swingle>	yep
11:27	<murb>	riel: might be useful to keep different xen userland seperate.
11:28	<icblenke>	turning on the XEND_DEBUG and XENSTORE_TRACE and tailing the /var/log/xend.log shows that xend is up and running just fine?
11:28	<swingle>	so you have no idea of what other deps might be necessary?
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11:28	<swingle>	icblenke, i havent tried that, without the flags it didnt complain
11:28	<icblenke>	then you lsof and see the /var/lib/xen/xend-socket file being listened to by xend?
11:28	<swingle>	but i didnt know those flags existed until now :)
11:28	<icblenke>	they're rather well documented in the wiki.
11:29	<icblenke>	suprisingly.
11:29	<swingle>	i wasnt blaming you for not documenting it i just hadnt seen them
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11:30	<swingle>	btw theres something broken with the build system in the repository code
11:30	<icblenke>	you're running unstable?
11:30	<swingle>	when you rebuild the kernel it doesnt repack the initramfs
11:30	<swingle>	i tried it
11:30	<swingle>	and the 3.0.4 tarball you have on the page gives me a kernel panic on boot
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11:32	<icblenke>	I'm running on a 3.0.4 checkout from 3.0.4-test from 12/20 when the Release tag was committed. haven't had any real problems yet.
11:32	<icblenke>	why is the 3.0.4-test tree still getting updates?
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11:33	<swingle>	i tested it with two different machines and they both crashed
11:33	<swingle>	kernel not syncing ... blablabla
11:33	<icblenke>	if you could boot with "noreboot" and perhaps share the stack trace with us, that would help.
11:34	<swingle>	i will next week
11:34	<swingle>	i debug it using a serial port so i have the full log
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11:35	<swingle>	as i said before i wont be able to do anything until i get back to work on monday
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11:57	\|-\|	[tab][tab] changed the topic of #xen: http://www.getxen.org \|\| Xen 3.0.4 is now available - improved SMP for HVM. Xen-API preview. Kexec/kdump. Paravirt framebuffer. Improved ia64/ppc \|\| linux-2.6.18 in xen-unstable
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12:04	<swingle>	have a nice weekend
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15:27	<icblenke>	dom0 panic. 3.0.3. caused by xenstored.
15:27	<icblenke>	[bio_clone+68/96][bio_clone+68/96] bio_clone+0x44/0x60
15:28	<icblenke>	Call Trace: [make_request+761/1152] make_request+0x2f9/0x480, [make_request+1072/1152] make_request+0x430/0x480, [generic_make_request+223/336] generic_make_request+0xdf/0x150, [bio_clone+68/96] bio_clone+0x44/0x60, [lock_timer_base+36/80] lock_timer_base+0x24/0x50, [<f4ddb4be>] __map_bio+0x4e/0xd0 [dm_mod]......
15:29	<icblenke>	it looks like it started from a sys_rename and tickled something under devmapper.
15:29	<hollisb>	icblenke: maybe you should open a bug in bugzilla?
15:29	<icblenke>	I probably should, huh ;)
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15:46	<icblenke>	this might have to do with an LVM snapshot I did.
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