TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#xen:2007:01:18

---	Log	opened Thu Jan 18 00:00:32 2007
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02:38	<rindolf>	Hi all!
02:38	<rindolf>	I'm using XenEnterprise.
02:39	<rindolf>	I'm using XenEnterprise and am trying to install Ubuntu according to the instructions at http://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html . However the primary Xen system does not have wget, gcc, rpm, apt-get, dpkg or yum. What should I do?
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07:25	<Piet>	could someone guide me through the network setup for a domU? i'm having difficulties getting it connected
07:26	<Piet>	and the howto i tried so far ( http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/396 ) doesn't work for me
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08:11	<nantes_geek>	hi everybody
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10:03	<mdday>	anyone had problems on edgy x86_64 with xend and python-pam?
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10:14	<mdday>	https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pam/+bug/69967 - required for xend on edgy
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10:30	<hensema>	what's edgy?
10:30	<hensema>	ubuntu?
10:31	<murb>	yep, their most recent stable release.
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11:25	<tweakism>	edgy/feisty seem like bad names for stable releases.
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11:35	<mdday>	btw xend from 3.0.4-testing works (once python-pam is installed) just fine with the -unstable hypervisor and kernel
11:35	<mdday>	on edgy
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12:29	<tweakism>	how do you guys use X and Xen together, currently? what's the current normal method for X in domU but not dom0?
12:30	<riel>	the normal method is to use X in dom0 :)
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12:33	<matti>	;)
12:36	<riel>	the thing is, AGP and PCIe video cards have DMA access to all of memory
12:36	<riel>	and video drivers tell them to read physical memory
12:36	<riel>	putting the video driver in a domU will not get you any security
12:37	<riel>	on the contrary, you'd turn that domU into a dom0 :)
12:38	<danpb>	tweakism: the DomU graphical framebuffer is exposed in Dom0 using either SDL or VNC
12:38	<danpb>	if you don't want to use X in Dom0, then choose the VNC driver
12:39	<danpb>	and run vncviewer from a remote host where you do have X
12:40	<tweakism>	ok. this is not a critical problem, either, I'm just playing with xen. but what about if you want X in domU to display locally on the video card, but not run X in dom0?
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12:41	<tweakism>	I thought you were supposed to limit memory use and especially IO on dom0, plus I want to be able to reboot my main linux workstation dom and still keep other stuff on the same boxup.
12:42	<tweakism>	although, if it would make sense, I can run the X server in dom0 and all the clients in domU
12:42	<riel>	tweakism: you can limit the memory that your domU can access
12:42	<riel>	tweakism: but there is no mechanism to limit the memory that your video card can access, since that's a hardware issue
12:42	<tweakism>	so, can you pass a PCIe video card device to a paravirt domU and have it work w/ accelleration?
12:44	<tweakism>	I have a dream, that I can have a 4 headed box, 2 w/ linux w/ accel, and 1 with winxp w/o accell (rdp probably), and 1 w/ OSX w/o access (vnc probably or xwnc or something). if I have to have another head for dom0 console, that's fine.
12:44	<tweakism>	I could just install vmware but that's cheating.
12:45	<tweakism>	I think I might though, so I can evaluate xen vs vmware over time. xen is really exciting though, and development is so active, hoorah
12:49	<tweakism>	I take it the virtfb is painfully slow?
12:54	<aliguori>	tweakism: you can't run osx in xen
12:54	<tweakism>	not yet
12:54	<aliguori>	period
12:54	<aliguori>	ever
12:54	<tweakism>	why?
12:54	<aliguori>	it's illegal
12:55	<tweakism>	I'm sure it will be technically feasible shortly.
12:55	<aliguori>	and they actively check to make sure they're on their machine
12:55	<tweakism>	eh, runs fine in vmware on linux for me
12:55	<aliguori>	so you have to have a hacked version of osx
12:55	<tweakism>	well, yes.
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13:15	<jerone>	hollisb: do you have access (as I do not) to: http://mcweb.boeblingen.de.ibm.com/slof/wiki/index.php/SLOF%20Releases
13:15	<jerone>	I need to get SLOF 702 .. and it is not posted on the LTC wiki
13:16	<jerone>	woops
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15:04	<icblenke>	now I feel uneasy suggesting that 3d accelleration is possible under a xen dom0... I've found the patched nvidia driver, are the other DRI/DRM drivers in the Xen patched kernel also not GART patched to handle the virtual address spaces correctly?
15:04	<icblenke>	VESA sounds like Xen kills it.
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16:08	<rharper>	jimix: around?
16:08	<jimix>	rharper: yup
16:09	<rharper>	jimix: any more feedback on the devtree patchset? I saw you merged the prose build fix and I'll have to respin my patch 2, but wanted to include anything you think it needs before I do that
16:11	<jimix>	rharper: other than my last comments.
16:11	<jimix>	rharper: no
16:12	<jimix>	rharper: but keep in mind the ulitmate goal here is to get the all the python to match xen-unstable
16:12	<jimix>	rharper: possible diff exceptiuon is the prose stuff
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16:12	<rharper>	jimix: right
16:13	<jimix>	rharper: this first push may not do it but we need to get to that.
16:14	<rharper>	jimix: ok, I'll see how close we are now
16:14	<rharper>	jimix: I just got linux building its own start_info_t from values in the devtree today too
16:17	<jimix>	rharper: awesome!
16:26	<rharper>	jimix: with the patchset, we now have the same xc_linux_build() signature as xen-unstable, which was the function that keir didn't want to modify.
16:27	<jimix>	rharper: cool.. so that means that the ppc xc.c def goes away right?
16:27	<rharper>	jimix: I didn;t know we had a custom xc.c, lemme look
16:28	<jimix>	yeah.. the prose one should be the only one left and it should look identical to the linux one
16:29	<jimix>	rharper: no I'm sorry .. its not another one.. but it should be back to its original form
16:29	<rharper>	looks like unstable doesn't know about prose_build and alloc_real_mode_area,
16:29	<rharper>	jimix: ok, right
16:30	<jimix>	right and alloc_real_mode_area should go since we do not call it in python anymore
16:31	<jimix>	rharper: ^^^ or we should not
16:31	<rharper>	jimix: ok, I'll respin patch 2, and add a 3rd patch that does clean-up to sync xc.c
16:32	<jimix>	hollisb: there?
16:32	<rharper>	that is, all we need in unstable's version of xc.c is the prose_build
16:32	<jimix>	rharper: yup
16:33	<rharper>	jimix: ok, thanks
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16:34	<hollisb>	jimix: yes
16:35	<jimix>	rharper: hollis: one your stuff is in we can audit the diff of tools to see where else we made changes and figure out how to minize them
16:35	<jimix>	once
16:35	<hollisb>	yup
16:35	<rharper>	jimix: yeah
16:36	<jimix>	hollisb: am happy to get there in stages if ok with you (i know how you like patchsets to be complete)
16:37	<hollisb>	not sure what you mean exactly
16:37	<jimix>	hollisb: I don;t want to wait for 100% clean before we put ryans working stuff in
16:37	<jimix>	hollisb: but will if you prefer
16:38	<hollisb>	I'm happy to put in logically complete patches
16:38	<rharper>	hollisb: I at least have to resync first as jimix committed maria's fix
16:38	<jimix>	cool
16:38	<hollisb>	like I already did for Ryan's #1 and #2
16:38	<hollisb>	rharper: ok
16:38	<rharper>	I'm doing that now, and going to add a third to sync us back to unstable's xc.c
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17:00	<mdday>	anyone have problems with devices not being created for hvm domains on ubunty edgy? xend.log says it is waiting for devices to be created.
17:00	<mdday>	domain times out and xend destroys it
17:00	<mdday>	using xen-unstable
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17:07	<icblenke>	udevcontrol log_priority=debug, then watch your logs.
17:08	<rharper>	hollisb: around?
17:08	<hollisb>	yes
17:09	<rharper>	jimix was saying something about xc_alloc_real_mode_area not needed any more, true?
17:09	<rharper>	or at least not needed in lowlevel/xc.c
17:09	<hollisb>	hmmm, I'm not sure about that
17:09	<hollisb>	ok, yeah I believe that
17:10	<hollisb>	assuming the generic code allocates shadow memory for us
17:10	<rharper>	ok, syncing up xc.c and I'm only putting xc_prose_build in
17:10	<rharper>	<jimix> right and alloc_real_mode_area should go since we do not call it in python anymore
17:10	<rharper>	<jimix> rharper: ^^^ or we should not
17:10	<hollisb>	can you check on shadow allocation in xend?
17:10	<rharper>	hollisb: sure, what am I looking for?
17:11	<hollisb>	when a new domain is created, shadow memory is allocated for it
17:11	<hollisb>	er no
17:11	<hollisb>	hmm
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17:12	<hollisb>	we use "shadow memory" to be our HTAB
17:12	<hollisb>	that's not RMA
17:12	<hollisb>	let me see...
17:13	<rharper>	hollisb: in XendDomainInfo there is call to xc.shadow_mem_control which sets the shadow value
17:13	<rharper>	# Set up the shadow memory
17:13	<rharper>	shadow_cur = xc.shadow_mem_control(self.domid, shadow / 1024)
17:13	<hollisb>	this is a separate issue, but is that called for us?
17:14	<rharper>	I'll have to verify, I check the shadow value in xc_linux_build, I'll print the value out
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17:16	<rharper>	hollisb: for a domain with 128MB, it says we have 1MB of shadow memory
17:17	<hollisb>	rharper: what says that?
17:17	<rharper>	the return value from a call to xc_shadow_mem_control()
17:17	<hollisb>	well, that's not enough, but that's a side issue
17:18	<hollisb>	what jimix meant w.r.t RMA was that xc_linux_build() can make the call now
17:18	<hollisb>	so we can remove it from python
17:18	<rharper>	ok, not sure I saw anyone use that, but I understand
17:19	<hollisb>	rharper: that's right, you need to add the call
17:19	<rharper>	I meant even in the python code
17:19	<hollisb>	ok
17:19	<rharper>	ah, I see it
17:19	<rharper>	in XendDomainInfo
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