| --- | Log | opened Wed Jan 25 00:00:42 2006 |
| 00:04 | <Shaun2222> | is their a way to make xen stop using vifx.x and use a name i specify? |
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| 01:09 | <xterminus> | anyone here use lvm snapshots for backups? |
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| 07:13 | <Tempest2k> | i have 2 network cards my dom0 machine using one nic 1 and my vm01 using the other nic 2. using debian 3.1 i have added physdev_dom0_hide=(00:0d.0) to hide my second nic from dom0 and in my vm01 conf i have vif = ['mac=00:0f:3d:eb:db:fd'] the mac address of the second nic i wish to use in vm01 , is there anyhing im missing as im getting network unreachable on vm01 when trying to ping hosts on the network ? |
| 07:13 | <Tempest2k> | im using xen 2 |
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| 07:18 | <aliguori> | Tempest2k, read the manual, it's in there, I promise |
| 07:20 | <DV> | aliguori: howdy |
| 07:20 | <aliguori> | DV, howdy |
| 07:20 | <aliguori> | DV, how's it going? |
| 07:21 | <DV> | aliguori: flying back home this niht, I will try to put a new release out friday |
| 07:21 | <aliguori> | excellent! |
| 07:21 | <aliguori> | DV: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/Xend/XML-RPC |
| 07:22 | <DV> | need a bit of cleanup and double checking of code but the libxend integration is near complete |
| 07:22 | <DV> | except for the Create part for which I don't want to rush a wrong API :-) |
| 07:22 | <DV> | yeah I saw this |
| 07:22 | <DV> | I would like to discuss the xend APIs too |
| 07:23 | <DV> | they are a bit too 'name' oriented, id based interface would probably be better |
| 07:23 | <aliguori> | DV, I've been making better progress than I expected to. At this rate, I think we could get a standardized interface by 3.0.2 |
| 07:23 | <aliguori> | hrm |
| 07:23 | <aliguori> | DV, what do you think about UUID? |
| 07:23 | <DV> | well there is a few things, but nothing critical, I think it mostly works at this point |
| 07:24 | <DV> | heh cool |
| 07:24 | <DV> | uuid: they are strong, but a bit heavy |
| 07:24 | [~] | aliguori gets bugged all day about UUIDs... |
| 07:24 | <DV> | uuid: but since it's under the hood it's probably the best pick |
| 07:24 | <aliguori> | DV, domain id's frighten me because they change be reused... |
| 07:25 | <DV> | yeah and names can be changed too |
| 07:25 | <aliguori> | yup |
| 07:25 | <aliguori> | at least there's an expectation of UUID uniqueness |
| 07:25 | <DV> | though I'm not 100% sure I would put Rename in the libvir API |
| 07:25 | <aliguori> | yeah, I wouldn't blame you for that |
| 07:26 | <DV> | we need to make simple things really trivial |
| 07:26 | <DV> | and then as we get users, see how we need to extend |
| 07:26 | <aliguori> | yes, I agree |
| 07:27 | <DV> | I would like to be able to implement a fork() semantic, though I don't think we can make it safe from a storage point of view |
| 07:27 | <aliguori> | heh |
| 07:27 | <DV> | sct was already very dubious just at save and restore :-) |
| 07:27 | <aliguori> | yeah, we've got a fair bit of work to do before fork() becomes a possibility :-) |
| 07:28 | <aliguori> | in particular, we need a reasonably performant cow-device |
| 07:28 | <DV> | problem is that it's kernel/storae work and in the worse areas :-) |
| 07:28 | <DV> | we have room to grow :-) |
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| 07:28 | <DV> | heh jeremy |
| 07:28 | <aliguori> | dansmith is currently looking into it actually :-) |
| 07:29 | <DV> | anyway the target so far is KISS plus get a good API for create() |
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| 07:29 | <DV> | then try to get it used by various people |
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| 07:31 | <tab_> | DV: sounds a good plan :) |
| 07:31 | <Tempest2k> | i have read the manual |
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| 07:33 | <sdague> | aliguori: that reminds me, I need dansmith to let folks on xen-devel know what he's working on :) |
| 07:36 | <aliguori> | sdague, eh, at the rate he's going, he'll be done in a week anyway :-) |
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| 07:45 | <sdague> | well, it will take a month of back and forths to get it into upstream kernel anyway :) at least upstream inclusion will slow him down a little ;) |
| 07:46 | <aliguori> | sdague, yeah, that's what I was hoping too :-) |
| 07:48 | <sdague> | one of these day's dan will install an irc proxy, so he'll read all our jabs when he comes in in the morning ;) |
| 07:49 | <mooli> | screen(1) is dan's friend :-) |
| 07:49 | <sdague> | I still like xchat for irc, so miau is my friend |
| 07:50 | <sdague> | http://miau.sourceforge.net/ - very easy to set up |
| 07:50 | <sdague> | and on that note, time to get to the office... |
| 07:51 | [~] | aliguori heads off to class |
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| 08:40 | [~] | mooli ponders |
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| 09:26 | <mikannet> | Anyone who had problem running apache/mod-perl/Catalyst on an Xen host? |
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| 09:50 | <ax> | have all new xeons, say in a new Dell PowerEdge, got VT built in? |
| 09:53 | <sdog> | ax: euh .. nope . |
| 09:53 | <ax> | piss. |
| 09:55 | <ax> | you can purchase VT processors at the minute though? |
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| 10:04 | <Tempest2k> | has anybody here set up vm`s on seperate network interfaces before ? |
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| 13:45 | <cheyenneuk> | Hi, I have a xen 3 server and xenstored runs every few minutes and hogs the cpu which is cause the server to crash every couple of days, anyone have any suggestions ? |
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| 15:02 | <Cyis> | anyone had problems getting Xen to boot up on an AMD K6 box? |
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| 15:53 | <xterminus> | Cyis: works fine on my athlon xp system |
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| 15:53 | <Cyis> | xtern: yeah... but athlon xp system is a few generations after the K6 |
| 15:56 | <xterminus> | dont see why it would cause problems |
| 15:56 | <xterminus> | other than being slow |
| 15:56 | <Cyis> | what happens now is after selecting the xen0 image from grub it just sits after the "boot" command that ends the configuration for that image |
| 15:57 | <Cyis> | then again it's the default pre-built kernel from option-c.com too ... I'm currently trying to rebuild the kernel |
| 15:58 | <xterminus> | no idea what option c is, but it sounds like a loader problem |
| 15:58 | <sdague> | Cyis: does K6 actually have the pentium pro instructions? I thought it came out at the same time, so wouldn't |
| 15:59 | <Cyis> | xterminus: I run Debian, prefer to do everything packaged based... option-c.com has some packages built for xen |
| 15:59 | <Cyis> | I'm not sure... my old pentium pro system died awhile back... if you can tell from the flags in /proc/cpuinfo I can paste that line |
| 16:00 | <xterminus> | xterminus: i gave up on debian packages for debian... 1000x easier for me to just compile for myself |
| 16:00 | <Cyis> | xterminus: well being a DD if I can fix problems in the packaging I'll be trying to get them uploaded to the main mirrors rather than using outside archives |
| 16:01 | <Cyis> | the current Debian packages in the mirror from Adam are nearly useless |
| 16:01 | <xterminus> | ya. like i said. i gave up on the debian packages |
| 16:03 | <xterminus> | besides. debian or not. i've always avoided disto kernels with the initrd fun |
| 16:04 | <Cyis> | I've tended to use initrd whether distro built or not... |
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| 16:06 | <xterminus> | why bother? initrd just adds another level of complexity that is totally unnecessary |
| 16:07 | <Cyis> | been habit... |
| 16:07 | <xterminus> | i see the point for newbs or for ppl who *never* compile a kernel, but thats it |
| 16:08 | <Cyis> | well I tend to maintain multiple machines of similar CPU type but different hardware otherwise so I just build the kernel specific to CPU and include all the common devices as modules and only load what's needed on a particular machine... |
| 16:10 | <Cyis> | for me it's easier to manage a couple different kernel images specific to the CPU than every combination of CPU/devices |
| 16:13 | <xterminus> | in any case. debian is probably the easist to get up and running with xen |
| 16:14 | <Cyis> | yeah.. the first two machines were a walk in the park... but they were PIII 930Mhz machines... |
| 16:15 | <murble> | Cyis: have you played with fils preseeded d-i stuff that auto install xen? |
| 16:15 | <Cyis> | murble: not yet... I had just read a few links online about it this afternoon |
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| 17:20 | <Cyis> | murble: I think getting stable xen packages into debian will have to happen before d-i stuff is included |
| 17:22 | <murble> | Cyis: whilst that would be a nice thing to happen, i don't think it is essential, and i'm certainly not holding my breath! |
| 17:25 | <Cyis> | murble: I understand that... fortunately I'm in a position to try and change that |
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| 17:35 | <Cyis> | As a Debian Developer I'd like to see Xen make it as part of the distribution... |
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| 18:09 | <aliguori> | Cyis, do you know what's keeping Xen from being included in Debian? |
| 18:10 | <Cyis> | aliguori: currently Adam Heath (doogie) has some packaging done for 2.0.6 in unstable. He purposely filed a bug to make sure it didn't get released with Sarge |
| 18:11 | <Cyis> | Obviously I'd like to get 3.0.0 packaged up cleanly and stable ... umm... yesterday :) |
| 18:14 | <Cyis> | I'm trying to contact Adam to see what his status with Xen packaging is and if he's overloaded or unable to continue working on it recommend either handing to me, co-maintaining with me and/or a team |
| 18:15 | <Cyis> | The kernel patch build is a big ugly hack that needs to be seriously looked at however |
| 18:17 | <Cyis> | I've look'd at Edwards GGoC packages along with those of Adam and Ralph... Can't look at Yvette's from option-c.com as the source DEBs aren't released anywhere I can find... I see problems with most as well as strong points in each... I'd like to get rid of the problems and incorporate the strengths to make better packaging... |
| 18:17 | <aliguori> | Cyis: since I've switched over to ubuntu, Xen integration is now personally interesting to me :-) |
| 18:18 | <Cyis> | I have my own thoughts on ubuntu best left unsaid :) |
| 18:18 | <aliguori> | well, I'm still relatively new to the debian world so I cannot comment :-) |
| 18:20 | <aliguori> | Cyis, so there's just a lack of good packages then? |
| 18:20 | <Cyis> | I've had too many instances where ubuntu has taken packaging from Debian... broken it... then I've had ubuntu users come screaming to debian that package X is broken |
| 18:20 | <aliguori> | yeah, that sounds reasonable.. |
| 18:21 | <Cyis> | yeah... Adam's are old and incomplete... Yvette's (yentlsoup) are up to 2.0.7 and no source DEBs available to eval but seem to be the most complete... Ralph and Edward both have xen-3 packages but don't seem as complete as Yvette's 2.0.7 packages |
| 18:21 | <Cyis> | the biggest issue I see is in the kernel patch and Adam had apparently made comments about the same issue on the ML |
| 18:22 | <Cyis> | Debian package policy tends to frown on having to download something to build the package... so having to include wget to download the kernel is not gonna work well but that's in the upstream source build |
| 18:23 | <Cyis> | the other problem with the build is it seems things are great when you only deal with the spare tree but the patches being applied to the kernel source first have issues with the Debian source packages that end up causing problems in building |
| 18:24 | <aliguori> | Cyis, so I reckon you'll have different kernel, tools, and hypervisor packages right? |
| 18:24 | <aliguori> | The tools should package relatively cleanly (well, they're ugly, but it should be okay) |
| 18:24 | <aliguori> | the hypervisor should be okay too |
| 18:25 | <aliguori> | the kernel is going to require some work by someone who knows the kernel well enough to backport the xen patches to the debian kernel version |
| 18:25 | <Cyis> | yeah... tools & hypervisor don't seem to be an issue... the kernel patch build is slightly problematic |
| 18:25 | <aliguori> | katzj, you around? |
| 18:25 | <aliguori> | Cyis, what kernel version is debian on? |
| 18:25 | <Cyis> | the issue with the debian kernel version is they strip out the firmware that is not consider'd to meet the DFSG |
| 18:25 | [~] | aliguori wonders if the debian packages could reuse most of the fedora patches |
| 18:26 | <aliguori> | oh, silly debian folks :-) |
| 18:26 | <Cyis> | etch/testing has 2.6.12, sid/unstable has 2.6.15 |
| 18:26 | <Cyis> | sarge/stable has 2.6.8 IIRC |
| 18:26 | <aliguori> | oh wow |
| 18:27 | <aliguori> | would you expect to provide xen packages for all three? |
| 18:27 | <aliguori> | 2.6.8 is pretty old... |
| 18:27 | <Cyis> | if it was just using the sparse tree for the 2.6 base (not specific to 2.6.12 for instance) I could build-depend on linux-source-2.6 |
| 18:27 | <aliguori> | well, the sparse tree is pretty version specific |
| 18:27 | <aliguori> | unfortunately |
| 18:28 | <Cyis> | aliguori: technically to get uploaded it has to be built against unstable as that is were it is uploaded to... after it meets the criteria it is then automatically moved to testing once all dependencies are able to be met in testing |
| 18:28 | <aliguori> | Cyis, so you really only need 2.6.15? |
| 18:28 | <aliguori> | we're supposed to move to 2.6.15 relatively soon |
| 18:28 | <aliguori> | before cutting 3.0.1 |
| 18:29 | <Cyis> | typically Debian only maintains once linux-source-2.6.X that linux-source-2.6 points to per distro... that said currently it's 2.6.15 |
| 18:30 | <Cyis> | that usually coincides with what version of kernel that distro would install |
| 18:30 | <aliguori> | ok |
| 18:31 | <aliguori> | Cyis, if you're willing to maintain packages, I'm certainly willing to help out with the kernel patches |
| 18:31 | <aliguori> | the problem so far has been finding someone to stand up as a package maintainer it seems... |
| 18:32 | <Cyis> | true enough... I've seen that happen on a couple packages in the time I've been a DD |
| 18:33 | <Cyis> | setting up a package maintenance team that has both DD's and non-DD's has not been an issue... that's how we're maintaining Nagios and it's plugins (I'm part of that team as well as upstream plugin devel team) |
| 18:34 | <aliguori> | Cyis, one thing too that I think could help is cooperation between distros... everyone seems to be going through the same pain |
| 18:35 | <Cyis> | true... Ubuntu is obviously the closest to Debian... fixes can be easily adopted both ways... same with any other DEB-based distro that's spun off from Debian ... RPM-based is another issue as the packaging is way different |
| 18:36 | <aliguori> | Cyis, well, I would hope packaging is all pretty straight-forward and best left to individual distros... the challenge with xen is getting patches against the kernel source tree that each distro uses |
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| 18:37 | <aliguori> | and it seems that most distros are on newer kernels than xen is, so there's no reason for each distro to be trying to do the work of porting xen to newer kernels :-) |
| 18:38 | <Cyis> | yeah that is true... the kernel is the one thing that is the same between all distros regardless... while most patch the kernel source it causes it's own issues... It used to be Debian distributed the stock source and then a Debian-specific patch |
| 18:38 | <Cyis> | for some reason they stop'd doing that |
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| 18:51 | <Cyis> | about time for me to begin my marathon commute home |
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| 18:56 | <Cyis-home> | damn... no wonder I seem'd lag'd... was on the German server |
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| 19:14 | <aliguori> | Cyis-home, I bet I have an even smaller commute :-) |
| 19:14 | <aliguori> | i'm probably < 1 km |
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| 19:38 | <m0dY> | sup all |
| 19:38 | <m0dY> | what's the best distro. to run xen 3 on for an AMD Opteron 244 64bit processor |
| 19:38 | <m0dY> | ? |
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| 19:40 | <katzj> | aliguori: around now, although the wireless signal I'm on is kind of sucking. what's up? |
| 19:40 | <m0dY> | any help here !!!? |
| 19:42 | <aliguori> | katzj, you mentioned at the summit that you were building patches against the merge tree? are your patches in rawhide? |
| 19:43 | <katzj> | aliguori: building patches from the merge tree, and yeah. the kernel-xen src.rpm |
| 19:43 | <katzj> | it's a bit stale compared to the actual rawhide kernel atm mostly since quintela and sct have been traveling |
| 19:44 | <aliguori> | m0dY, i don't think xen cares much about the underlying distro... i'm certainly not going to comment on individual distro packages for fear of offending anyone :-) |
| 19:44 | <katzj> | quintela started working on rebasing to current rawhide earlier today and was hitting some non fun chunks based on what I gathered |
| 19:44 | <aliguori> | katzj, cool, thanks, I was looking for something to cannibalize patches from :-) |
| 19:45 | <m0dY> | aliguori, i'm willing on puting Debian 3.1 64bit as dom0 ,, so will i have to do something special for the domU's ?!!!! |
| 19:45 | <tab> | katzj: what's the actual rawhide kernel ATM ? |
| 19:45 | <katzj> | tab: 2.6.16-rc1-git4 |
| 19:47 | <m0dY> | katzj, sorry for |
| 19:47 | <m0dY> | interrupting but... |
| 19:48 | <m0dY> | you mean that there's a xen 3 running on the 2.6.16 kernel ?! |
| 19:48 | <tab> | katzj: looks like every distro is doing this in his own corner.. that's very bad |
| 19:48 | <tab> | m0dY: there's no 2.6.16 kernel |
| 19:48 | <katzj> | m0dY: well, I wouldn't say it's _running_ at the moment :) |
| 19:49 | <katzj> | tab: I think we'd be more than happy not to have to, but without things being upstream, I'm not sure there's much of a way to avoid it :/ |
| 19:49 | <m0dY> | well, the reason i asked about that is that i wanna have 2.6.15 running even as a domU to get the advantage of using the mppe support to use it for pptp vpn |
| 19:50 | <katzj> | m0dY: fc5 test2 is 2.6.15 and has worked fairly okay for the little I do |
| 19:50 | <m0dY> | you mean as a domU or a dom0 ? |
| 19:51 | <katzj> | both |
| 19:51 | <m0dY> | oh yeah |
| 19:52 | <aliguori> | tab, yeah, I'm hoping we can unify this a little bit... |
| 19:52 | <m0dY> | so as i now have debian 64bit clear installation, i'll get to install xen 3 from the source and run it,,, but ... how could i'll be getting 2.6.15 to be running as a domU ? |
| 19:54 | <m0dY> | !? |
| 19:57 | <tab> | aliguori: hopefully thing will get better after our upgrade to 2.6.15 |
| 20:00 | <aliguori> | tab: hopefully. |
| 20:02 | <m0dY> | so as i now have debian 64bit clear installation, i'll get to install xen 3 from the source and run it,,, but ... how could i'll be getting 2.6.15 to be running as a domU ? |
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| 20:08 | <aliguori> | m0dY, repeating isn't going to get your question answered faster :-) |
| 20:09 | <aliguori> | m0dY, you can't easily until xen moves to 2.6.15. that will happen within the new few weeks (hopefully) |
| 20:09 | <aliguori> | so just be patient |
| 20:11 | <m0dY> | aliguori, my internet connection got a timeount & i thought that my word havn't been send ,, not willing to annoy anybody :) |
| 20:11 | <m0dY> | also that's great hearing that xen will be moved to 2.6.15.. |
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| 21:40 | <Cyis> | aliguori: actually I just arrived home... the beauty of detached screen sessions |
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| 22:12 | <Cyis> | hmm... maybe if I can get xen-3 packaged I could try it out on my AMD64 here... currently running 3 servers in virtual using VMware 5 |
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