| --- | Log | opened Wed Jun 08 00:00:31 2005 |
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| 01:18 | blurg_ | low |
| 01:19 | andy | hi |
| 01:19 | blurg_ | quite a contrast :) |
| 01:19 | andy | sorry we had to meet on such opposite terms |
| 01:19 | andy | i'm andy :) |
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| 01:19 | blurg_ | hehe |
| 01:20 | | * blurg_ is me |
| 01:20 | andy | pleased to meet you, me. |
| 01:21 | andy | okay, enough of the formal british introductions. let's go have a pint! |
| 01:22 | blurg_ | yeah, better talk about some who meets to please you :) |
| 01:22 | mikegrb | andy: don't lie to buggs |
| 01:23 | andy | me: i agree 100%! :) |
| 01:23 | andy | mikegrb: the only lying i do is after too many pints! |
| 01:24 | mikegrb | andy: that is laying, not lying |
| 01:24 | andy | i typically close my eyes and wake up the next morning at that point |
| 01:24 | andy | i typo'ed on purpose, Mr Greb :P |
| 01:24 | mikegrb | sure you did mr Bruet |
| 01:25 | andy | hehe |
| 01:25 | andy | i need sleep |
| 01:25 | andy | i copied 12GB of data over 802.11g |
| 01:25 | andy | the thought of the length of time that it took, put me to sleep |
| 01:25 | andy | i can't count that high |
| 01:30 | mikegrb | you can't count past 5! |
| 01:32 | andy | you're right :( |
| 01:32 | andy | <-- uneducated man from the ghetto :( |
| 01:34 | blurg_ | you are watching the progress bar all the time andy? |
| 01:34 | andy | unfortunately, i have to :( |
| 01:35 | blurg_ | hmz, why? |
| 01:35 | andy | i use guestimation for the progress |
| 01:35 | mikegrb | blurg_: his job is to draw the progress bars |
| 01:35 | mikegrb | blurg_: so he just sits watching long boring stuff all day |
| 01:35 | andy | "towards the beginning, in the middle, towards the end" works for 99.5% of the work |
| 01:35 | andy | mikegrb is right :/ |
| 01:35 | andy | he knows just what i do |
| 01:35 | andy | he used to do it with me |
| 01:35 | andy | then they promoted him |
| 01:35 | andy | now he just herds chickens |
| 01:36 | mikegrb | well, I resurrect the chickens |
| 01:36 | blurg_ | Cool, my job is watching screens for testing purposes, see when a pixel dies, write down the coordinates and wait for the next |
| 01:36 | mikegrb | by shouting "CHICKEN ARISE! ARISE CHICKEN!" |
| 01:36 | andy | PUCK PUCK PUCK! |
| 01:36 | mikegrb | blurg_: fun! |
| 01:37 | andy | btw, i write software for a living ;) |
| 01:37 | blurg_ | our chickens over here say tok. |
| 01:37 | andy | 1 2 3 4 5 6 ;p |
| 01:37 | mikegrb | liar, I do |
| 01:37 | mikegrb | 6 isn't next! |
| 01:37 | mikegrb | 5.5 is! |
| 01:37 | andy | for large values of 5.5, i know ;) |
| 01:37 | mikegrb | well unless you floor it |
| 01:37 | andy | tru dat |
| 01:39 | andy | mikegrb: your php programming days are over! |
| 01:39 | andy | mikegrb: from now on, you shall code in ada95 |
| 01:39 | andy | mikegrb: and the rest of your work shall be in lisp |
| 01:40 | andy | mikegrb: and for your dos drivers, you shall write them in turbopascal! |
| 01:40 | andy | mikegrb: and i want the new cover sheet on your tps reports. |
| 01:41 | mikegrb | you forgot coldfusion |
| 01:41 | mikegrb | :< |
| 01:41 | mikegrb | though it isn't as bad as I had expected |
| 01:57 | Shaun | coldfusion, ewwww |
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| 03:24 | mael | hi chrish01 |
| 03:24 | chrish01 | hey dude |
| 03:25 | chrish01 | ive been super busy this week, ill be hacking on xenmanager at work next week |
| 03:25 | mael | how is it going? |
| 03:25 | chrish01 | im working on that whitepaper on using xen as a virtual router right now |
| 03:25 | chrish01 | getting some of the idea's of what can be done written down. like a domain balancing daemon and such |
| 03:30 | mael | yeah that would be fun |
| 03:30 | mael | have you read the Xen Control Tool design plan? |
| 03:30 | chrish01 | no i havent, be a good thing i guess |
| 03:32 | tessier | Virtual router? |
| 03:32 | chrish01 | yea. i have a single box at my datacenter running around 10 routers in a single box |
| 03:32 | chrish01 | fully segmented overlapping routing tables and such |
| 03:32 | tessier | Why? |
| 03:32 | chrish01 | cheaper than a $200,000 juniper router |
| 03:32 | chrish01 | :) |
| 03:33 | chrish01 | and since we can run linux inside, we can have snort, iptables, traffic shaping, all that fun stuff that most normal telco's cant provide |
| 03:34 | tessier | That $200k juniper router provides a hardware fast path that will blow your router away. |
| 03:34 | chrish01 | nod |
| 03:34 | tessier | Why 10 routers in one box? Why not just one router? |
| 03:35 | chrish01 | cause we are a startup and cant afford it |
| 03:35 | chrish01 | we provide private networks for enterprises |
| 03:35 | chrish01 | so its all private networking with an internet gateway if desired |
| 03:35 | chrish01 | most of our customers run voip and such |
| 03:36 | chrish01 | the hardware fast path is part of the paper where i talk about how xen could be extended to speed things up |
| 03:37 | mael | chrish01: I'm interested in that part :) |
| 03:38 | mael | you know I'm writing a stuff also on Xen usage |
| 03:38 | chrish01 | on a box with 4 gigs ram, i had 40 routers on a single 3ghz HT box doing quite impressive throughput |
| 03:38 | mael | I'll be happy to read your draft and show you mine :) |
| 03:38 | chrish01 | that was with two bonded gig-e |
| 03:39 | chrish01 | i just have tomboy open right now taking notes. wont start writing for a few days |
| 03:39 | mael | well, I wrote a guideline for the article |
| 03:39 | mael | but it is in french for now :) |
| 03:39 | chrish01 | heh |
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| 03:40 | mael | well, it's coffee time here, see ya |
| 03:40 | chrish01 | anyone know how the development of the CoW stuff is going? |
| 03:40 | chrish01 | other than linux lvm that is |
| 03:40 | mael | dunno |
| 03:41 | mael | I ran into a serious bug with lvm snapshoting under xfs |
| 03:41 | mael | seems dm/lvm is not that clean |
| 03:41 | chrish01 | its horribly slow |
| 03:42 | mael | Christoph Hellwig has tried to figure out the problem but so far nothing new |
| 03:42 | chrish01 | on normal partitions with lvm i get around 40mb/sec. on cow i get like 10 |
| 03:42 | mael | chrish01: it's also horribly buggy |
| 03:42 | chrish01 | yea |
| 03:42 | chrish01 | if a domain crashes, you tend to lose that fs too |
| 03:42 | mael | when had kernel freezes, FS locks |
| 03:42 | chrish01 | yup |
| 03:42 | mael | that's shitty |
| 03:42 | chrish01 | its fucked me over a couple times actually |
| 03:43 | | * mael hate going to a server room pressing the reset button |
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| 03:44 | chrish01 | after reading some of the roadmap, i kinda want to take xenmanager in a slightly different way |
| 03:44 | chrish01 | targeting the cluster stuff for 3.0 |
| 03:49 | chrish01 | im curious about the optimized inter-vm networking too |
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| 04:14 | mael | chrish01: what do you mean by "targeting the cluster stuff"? |
| 04:15 | chrish01 | it seems that clustering is important for 3.0, so maybe being able to logically group servers is a good idea? |
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| 04:17 | chrish01 | mael, do you have a url for the xen control tools design plans? |
| 04:20 | chrish01 | ok, heading to bed ... |
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| 04:21 | mael | chris|zzz: yeah dealing with cluster would be a must |
| 04:21 | mael | I'm checking the url right now for the control tools |
| 04:21 | chris|zzz | i just cant stand python :( |
| 04:26 | mael | chris|zzz: humm? |
| 04:27 | chris|zzz | xenmanager is in python so i can reuse the xen python libs |
| 04:28 | mael | But you hate it, right? :) |
| 04:29 | chris|zzz | its either reuse the core libs, or port them to something else, and with how it sounds there will be additions/changes in the future, just a waste of time |
| 04:29 | mael | I can't get my hand on the url but I have the pdf |
| 04:29 | chris|zzz | better that i just deal with it |
| 04:29 | chris|zzz | mael, email it to christian.hergert@gmail.com if you would please |
| 04:29 | mael | ok |
| 04:30 | mael | or I can dcc you |
| 04:30 | chris|zzz | id rather have email |
| 04:31 | mael | done |
| 04:31 | chris|zzz | thanks dude |
| 04:31 | mael | your welcome |
| 04:32 | mael | btw, we have a project with 2 other guys to build a service to do domU provisionning, using an "apt-get" approach |
| 04:33 | chris|zzz | id love to help out with that |
| 04:33 | mael | there's a prototype but it is in python :) |
| 04:33 | chris|zzz | heh, i can deal |
| 04:33 | mael | anyway, I think it would be really useful to think about this stuff together |
| 04:33 | chris|zzz | very |
| 04:34 | mael | as having this feature integrated in a GUI would be **really** nice |
| 04:34 | chris|zzz | yea, especially if this CoW system gets around to being implemented |
| 04:34 | mael | the guy developping this stuff is Mark Williamson from Cambridge Univ. |
| 04:35 | mael | I think he is going to split the tool in 2 : a lib providing the features and a cli tool to use it |
| 04:35 | chris|zzz | ok, im heading to bed. ill read that pdf in the morning |
| 04:35 | mael | so you'll probably be able to use the lib fonctions |
| 04:35 | chris|zzz | that would be great, cause ill write some .net wrappers around it |
| 04:36 | mael | ok then I think I'll add your mail address to the next mails about this :) |
| 04:36 | chris|zzz | great! |
| 04:36 | mael | have a good night |
| 04:36 | chris|zzz | night |
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| 04:48 | mael | chris|zzz: I downloaded the guide from this URL : http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenControlTools |
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| 09:51 | | * blurg_ remembers something about that :) |
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| 10:45 | blurg_ | Das sind guten Wagen |
| 10:46 | blurg_ | whoops, wrong window :) |
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| 10:55 | blurg_ | little announcements literally? |
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