TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#xen:2005:05:01

---	Log	opened Sun May 01 00:00:35 2005
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05:49	cfreak	how can i activate SMP in 2.6.10-xen0 (dual pentiumIII) ?
05:50	cfreak	in kernel options I don't find the SMP option
05:51	knewt	only -unstable has smp inside of domains
05:53	knewt	xen itself has smp support before -unstable of course
05:54	cfreak	thank you
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09:00	Surferdude	um... python error when running xend start
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09:00	Surferdude	xen.lowlevel.xc.error: (2, 'No such file or directory')
09:08	Surferdude	anyone?
09:43	knewt	Surferdude: you're running 2.4, right?
09:44	demon	anything more specific in xend.log or xend-debug.log??
09:44	Surferdude	yes
09:45	demon	one of them (or both) should say something
09:45	knewt	you need a /dev/xen/evtchn of character type, major 10, minor 201. [[ mkdir /dev/xen; mknod -m600 /dev/xen/evtchn1 c 10 202 ]] should do the trick
09:45	Surferdude	also said somthing about a python api mismatch
09:45	knewt	s/evtchn1/evtchn/
09:45	Surferdude	but etc/xend.log ?
09:46	demon	er, that'd be in /var/log
09:46	knewt	log files are in /var/log/, like all good little files should
09:46	knewt	s/little/little log/
09:46	demon	but try making the devnode knewt is talking about, maybe that's it?
09:47	knewt	course, not all log files are necessarily little g
09:47	Surferdude	[2005-05-01 14:58:47 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:610) Xend Daemon started
09:47	Surferdude	[2005-05-01 14:58:48 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.create ['Domai$
09:47	Surferdude	[2005-05-01 14:58:48 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.start 0
09:47	Surferdude	[2005-05-01 15:24:18 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:610) Xend Daemon started
09:47	Surferdude	[2005-05-01 15:24:18 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.start 0
09:47	Surferdude	looks fine there
09:48	Surferdude	xend-debug.log is: network start bridge=xen-br0 netdev=eth0 antispoof=no
09:48	Surferdude	Device "eth0" does not exist.
09:48	Surferdude	interface eth0 does not exist!
09:48	Surferdude	Which i know
09:50	Surferdude	any ideas?
09:51	knewt	so where are you now? you've made sure the device node exists, and tried starting xend again and still get that error?
09:52	Surferdude	yes... still getting the "Python API mismatch"
09:54	knewt	that's just because the compiled versions are for a different version of python i believe. as long as the original .py files are still around it should work
09:54	knewt	does /proc/xen/privcmd exist?
09:57	Surferdude	nope
09:58	Surferdude	wait
09:58	Surferdude	Nope... dosesnt exist
09:58	knewt	you /are/ running inside of xen right now, right?
10:00	Surferdude	...
10:00	Surferdude	oops
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10:04	Surferdude	yes, it exists
10:04	Surferdude	so the api mismatch shouldent be a problem
10:05	knewt	get rid of the .pyc files (as long as a .py version exists in each case), and it shouldn't complain any more
10:06	knewt	it'll regenerate the .pyc files the first time it uses each file anyway, it's just faster when they're pre-generated
10:06	Surferdude	Ok..
10:11	Surferdude	still getting the same error
10:12	Surferdude	channel.py and SrvDaemon.pyc
10:12	Surferdude	*.py
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10:12	knewt	does xen-debug.log contain anything?
10:12	knewt	s/xen/xend/
10:13	Surferdude	dosnt exist
10:13	Surferdude	in var/log
10:13	Surferdude	wait...
10:13	Surferdude	it doeas
10:14	Surferdude	just has 4 files
10:14	Surferdude	in the file
10:14	Surferdude	*the log
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14:47	Surferdude	Um... anyone know where i can get an individual python file for xend?
14:55	Surferdude	anyone :/
14:56	caker	which file?
14:56	Surferdude	blkif.py
14:56	caker	Surferdude: are you using -stable?
14:57	Surferdude	yes
14:57	Surferdude	prebuilt tarball
14:57	caker	http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/downloads/xen-2.0.5-src.tgz or http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/downloads/xen-2.0.5-install.tgz
14:58	Surferdude	I was wondering if they kept a folder with individual python files
14:58	Surferdude	guess not
14:58	caker	it'll be in both of those tarballs
14:58	caker	if it exists at all :)
15:00	Surferdude	If i already have the tarball extracted, where can i get it
15:00	Surferdude	i dont see anything there
15:00	Surferdude	within the extracted archive
15:01	caker	which tarball?
15:02	Surferdude	http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/downloads/xen-2.0.5-install.tgz
15:02	caker	# find . -name blkif.py
15:02	caker	./xen-2.0/tools/python/xen/xend/server/blkif.py
15:03		* mikegrb smacks Surferdude with the clue bat
15:03	Surferdude	lol
15:06	Surferdude	neither of those work... guess ill have to extract it again on another computer
15:10	caker	they don't work how?
15:10	caker	why not just run the installer again?
15:10	Surferdude	wont that give me an overwrite error?
15:10	caker	did you try it?
15:10	Surferdude	no...
15:10	caker	cd xen-2.0/tools/; make install
15:11	caker	(at least that works for the -src tarball)
15:12	Surferdude	install.sh just says cannot overwrite
15:13	Surferdude	ill just get the source tarball
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15:15	mikegrb	[michael@orion:dl] tar -zxvf xen-2.0.5-install.tgz \| grep blkif.py
15:15	mikegrb	xen-2.0-install/install/usr/lib/python/xen/xend/server/blkif.py
15:15	mikegrb	xen-2.0-install/install/usr/lib/python/xen/xend/server/blkif.pyc
15:15	mikegrb	[15:15:30]-[Sun May 01]-[0]
15:15	mikegrb	[michael@orion:dl]
15:15	mikegrb	just downloaded it
15:16	Surferdude	Alright... just rebooting into rhel now
15:16	Surferdude	(networking dosnt work with the kernel i have for some reason)
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15:57	knewt	i'd guess most likely is the kernel not having the required driver for your card
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17:53	caker	gcc -m32 -march=i686 -Wall -Werror -O3 -I ../../tools/python/xen/lowlevel/xc -I ../../tools/libxc -c -o xenperf.o xenperf.c
17:53	caker	In file included from xenperf.c:14:
17:53	caker	^-- today's -unstable
17:53	caker	../../tools/libxc/xc.h:90: error: syntax error before "pid_t"
17:53	caker	../../tools/libxc/xc.h:95: error: syntax error before "pid_t"
18:22	caker	looks like a missing a sys/types.h include in tools/libxc/xc.h
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18:30	KristinnSoffa	\| good evening
18:30	MarkWilliamso	\| Hello!
18:32	MarkWilliamso	\| KristinnSoffaniasRunarsson: how's things?
18:32	KristinnSoffa	\| good
18:32	---	User: *** KristinnSoffaniasRunarsson is now known as soffi
18:32	soffi	this long nick thing ain't my style I think
18:32	soffi	I'm about to say bad things... but god bless vmware
18:32	MarkWilliamso	\| heh :-) I think soffi fits my IRC window better
18:33	soffi	yeah, I couldn't have made it if I didn't have dual screens
18:33	MarkWilliamso	\| soffi: erk! VMWare was used for a lot of the early development of Xen :-)
18:33	soffi	so for you laptop users, I'm now soffi ;)
18:33	soffi	yeah I'm installing distros left and right to generate domU images
18:33	MarkWilliamso	\| heh, I'm using my laptop so I can sit on the other side of the room from my machine... more comfy here.
18:34	MarkWilliamso	\| excellent! what are you working on now?
18:34	soffi	checking out a centos stripped down image sent in by someone here named 'xai' and I'm generating a Mandrake 10.1 image now and a SuSE 9.3 image after that
18:35	MarkWilliamso	\| Neato :-)
18:35	soffi	yup
18:35	soffi	I never thought I'd use Linux this much :)
18:35	MarkWilliamso	\| btw, do SuSE not mind redistribution these days? they used to have some restrictions on the YaST license...
18:36	soffi	dunno.. they offer FTP installs of SuSE 9.3
18:36	MarkWilliamso	\| Things may have changed, tho. Ah well, if nobody squeaks ;-)
18:36	soffi	anyway they'll hang me
18:36	MarkWilliamso	\| Have you looked at White Box Linux? (arguably not much point if you have CentOS) or Ubuntu?
18:38	soffi	xai said he's gonna upload an ubuntu image
18:38	soffi	and I might as well make a WhiteBox image
18:39	MarkWilliamso	\| You are the ultimate domU dude :-)
18:39	soffi	ghehe I'm merely hosting this stuff
18:39	soffi	it's so trivial to make this stuff on distros using yum f.ex
18:40	soffi	and Yast has this install into directory thing
18:40	MarkWilliamso	\| Something I thought would be cool is to package up standard domU setups as "virtual appliances"
18:40	soffi	next up is to write some documentation
18:40	MarkWilliamso	\| Maybe one day...
18:40	soffi	dreams can come true
18:40	MarkWilliamso	\| E.g. a "router / firewall domU", a "hardened web / DNS / ftp server", etc...
18:41	caker	soffi: are you doing any post-installation setup (like removing ssh keys if you booted the image)?
18:41	soffi	I'm about to scrub the images and offer only tarballs
18:41	soffi	caker: good point
18:41	caker	soffi: beware, most RH distros will regen them if you remove them, others sshd won't start
18:41	caker	*RH-based distros
18:42	soffi	should be easy to manipulate when I've generated tarballs
18:42	soffi	tar xf -> remove stuff -> tar cf
18:42	soffi	"Congratulations! You have successfully installed Mandrake 10.1"
18:43	caker	debian barfs if keys aren't found, btw, possibly ubuntu
18:43	soffi	whaat
18:43	soffi	Mandrake doesn't use yum
18:45	soffi	I'll have to try destroying ssh keys on ubuntu or debian then
18:48	MarkWilliamso	\| soffi: mandrake uses urpmi
18:48	MarkWilliamso	\| it's basically the same thing.
18:48	soffi	ahh
18:48	soffi	thanks :)
18:49	soffi	I'm getting to know all sorts of shit with all these distributions
18:49	MarkWilliamso	\| Yeah, they all have to have their little quirks!
18:50	soffi	and I don't hate or love any in particular
18:51	MarkWilliamso	\| I can't say I've found a distro that makes me happy about everything. FC3 is my current favourite though.
18:51	MarkWilliamso	\| (subject to certain modifications that is ;-))
18:52	soffi	hehe
18:53	soffi	I like all the bells and whistles in suse9.3... for the desktop
18:55	soffi	but generally I use what came with my Powerbook ;)
18:56	MarkWilliamso	\| I install FC3 but let it have it's default GNOME install. Then I install KDE 3.4 from KDE redhat project - codec enabled and bleeding edge :-)
18:56	MarkWilliamso	\| Ah, you're using that other UNIX :-) Darwin is a very freaky OS
18:56	soffi	I use it for desktop only
18:56	soffi	haven't peeked under the hood
18:57	soffi	and most of my servers are FreeBSD
18:58	soffi	this urpmi --root stuff is pretty ugly
18:59	soffi	but running
18:59	MarkWilliamso	\| Apple apparently thought "Lets take a microkernel but then shove FreeBSD in there and make it monolithic really, then lets stick some other cool stuff in there, hack about with it a bit and stick a NetBSD userland on it"
18:59	MarkWilliamso	\| Arrrrg! :-) But it's a cool OS nonetheless. Just a bit of a mutant...
18:59	soffi	it's a mutant allright
19:00	soffi	but desktop-wise it is beutiful.. the graphics subsystem... it's just... beutiful
19:01	soffi	seems mandrake went allright
19:01	soffi	now I've gotta move it to my xen box
19:02	MarkWilliamso	\| I find the idea of a sort of "apt" for installing distros under Xen rather appealing :-) "xen-get mandrake-10-server"
19:02	MarkWilliamso	\| that would rock
19:03	soffi	yeah that'd be cool :)
19:03	soffi	man I could write a script that did almost that
19:04	soffi	curl tarball; dd an image of X size; untar to image; create xen config; rock on
19:06	MarkWilliamso	\| it'd be fun to have something like that for automating installs to the various kinds of logical disk
19:06	soffi	yeah.. logical disks too
19:06	soffi	mmm drool
19:06	MarkWilliamso	\| esp. now there are a lot of different images!
19:07	MarkWilliamso	\| and "into a directory" for NFS root (the easiest case, I guess)
19:08	soffi	have you used nfs with xen ?
19:08	soffi	doesn't nfs suck generally ?
19:08	MarkWilliamso	\| Not for quite a while, no.
19:08	MarkWilliamso	\| It's not well-liked but it has some manageability advantages
19:08	soffi	yeah.. it is trivial
19:09	MarkWilliamso	\| When I'm done with XenFS you'd probably use that instead.
19:09	soffi	so why are you hanging out here ;)
19:09	soffi	hehe
19:09	soffi	dohhh stupid me
19:09	soffi	forgot to make an fstab
19:10	yosh	MarkWilliamson: what's the design behind XenFS?
19:11	MarkWilliamso	\| yosh: It'll work much like NFS from the user's PoV
19:11	MarkWilliamso	\| but it uses shared memory directly as the transport without pretending there's an IP network there
19:11	yosh	ahh
19:12	yosh	I got shared root working with ocfs2 on xen btw
19:12	MarkWilliamso	\| the buffer cache of the client and server OSs will actually be merged so that they use the same memory
19:12	yosh	which was why I was asking about initrd ;)
19:12	MarkWilliamso	\| which will improve IO performance and memory sharing.
19:12	MarkWilliamso	\| yosh: way cool!
19:12	MarkWilliamso	\| you solved the initrd problem then?
19:12	yosh	yes, it was suse's fault
19:13	yosh	they're mkinitrd wrote a bogus size in the gzip header
19:13	yosh	so xen really though the initrd was 3.5 GB
19:14	MarkWilliamso	\| eek! was that the same problem the other dude had? how did you fix it?
19:14	yosh	I just made an initrd by hand
19:14	yosh	used a cpio archive instead of an fs
19:15	MarkWilliamso	\| ok
19:15	soffi	ohh what did I do wrong now
19:15	soffi	whole stuff is read-only
19:15	yosh	so I got 3 instances running off the same rootfs
19:15	yosh	more than that trips some ocfs2 bugs, so will have to investigate that
19:16	MarkWilliamso	\| yosh: why not GFS?
19:16	MarkWilliamso	\| as opposed to ocfs2?
19:16	yosh	cause I work on ocfs2
19:16	MarkWilliamso	\| I thought you might say something like that!
19:18	MarkWilliamso	\| cool. I don't have particular experience with either. I've read a bit about GFS, didn't find so much info on OCFS2.
19:18	yosh	there's not much in the way of docs yet
19:19	MarkWilliamso	\| Are you actually looking to use Xen as a development platform? I could see it being useful for testing.
19:19	yosh	it's a hell of a lot simpler to get going than xen
19:19	yosh	just testing
19:20	yosh	err
19:20	yosh	simpler to get going than GFS
19:20	yosh	damn thinkos
19:21	yosh	MarkWilliamson: I'm writing a set of scripts that will run through some basic tests on each commit to the source code repository
19:22	yosh	and later some nigthy long runs with a database stress test
19:23	riel	MarkWilliamson: nothing wrong with remember_page ;)
19:23	MarkWilliamso	\| yosh: OK, sounds cool.
19:23	MarkWilliamso	\| riel: it was fun code :-)
19:27	MarkWilliamso	\| yosh: I had the impression that GFS needs an out-of-band network channel for some operations. Does OCFS have something similar? Or does everything interesting happen on the disk
19:28	yosh	it needs network
19:28	riel	yosh: time for Xen fencing modules ;)
19:28	yosh	:)
19:30	MarkWilliamso	\| riel: That gives me a strange vision of my domains running around with swords...
19:30	MarkWilliamso	\| ... and chopping at each other. Not far from the truth actually...
19:32	soffi	gasp let's go the microsoft route and promote on distro for all
19:32	soffi	one
19:33	MarkWilliamso	\| one distro to bring them all and in the darkness bind them?
19:33	soffi	ehhh
19:33	soffi	sure :P
19:34	soffi	whatever makes you tick :)
19:37	MarkWilliamso	\| i think I prefer my Linux not to conquer middle Earth!
19:38	soffi	hehe
19:56	soffi	guys
19:56	soffi	how do you recommend taring from an image
20:01	MarkWilliamso	\| soffi: how do you mean?
20:02	MarkWilliamso	\| from a file disk image? loopback mount it and tar as normal?
20:02	soffi	that's what I'm doing.... cd /mnt; tar -cf /stuff/image.tar *
20:02	soffi	but seems to be fucking things up
20:03	soffi	when I untar it.... cd /othermount; tar -xf /stuff/image.tar
20:03	soffi	and the I unmout othermount and boot it with Xen.. everything is readonly
20:03	soffi	man... ain't I the newbie ;)
20:04	MarkWilliamso	\| boggle
20:04	MarkWilliamso	\| You double checked your disk = line in the config?
20:04	soffi	yup
20:04	soffi	it boots and everything
20:05	soffi	but hangs when mounting sys or something
20:05	MarkWilliamso	\| ah, I have an idea
20:05	soffi	must be something trivial
20:05	MarkWilliamso	\| probably need to pass a flag to tar to tell it to preserve uids
20:06	MarkWilliamso	\| otherwise everything will end up with your dom0 user id, which might not have any meaning in the domU
20:06		* yosh suggests using rsync
20:07	soffi	hmmhmmhmm
20:17	soffi	well... Mandrake10.1 image is ready
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20:21	MarkWilliamso	\| soffi: wicked :-)
20:22	MarkWilliamso	\| how did you fix the tar problem?
20:22	soffi	didn't
20:22	soffi	the image is ready :)
20:22	soffi	tackling the tar stuff now
20:24	MarkWilliamso	\| o i c :-)
20:24	soffi	:-p
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20:31	MarkWilliamso	\| soffi: maybe the -p (preserve permissions) flag would help?
20:31	MarkWilliamso	\| alternatively, yosh's suggestion on rsync seems sensible
20:32	soffi	sure.. I just have to find out how to use it :)
20:33	MarkWilliamso	\| looks like "rsync -avz /mnt /othermnt" would do it
20:34	MarkWilliamso	\| of course, you'll still need to figure out a sane way of tarring in the end, if you're gonna put tarballs online ;-0
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20:34	soffi	yeah sure.. that works like dd... I'm looking for how to create the damn tarball :P
20:35	MarkWilliamso	\| can you see (by mounting in dom0) if it has tinkered with the user IDs or something?
20:35	MarkWilliamso	\| or the permissions themselves for that matter..
20:35	soffi	doesn't seem like it
20:35	soffi	mounting the original image is cool
20:35	MarkWilliamso	\| you might want to get ls to give the numerical UIDs just to make sure
20:36	soffi	but mounting the image that i created bu tarring untarring the original is f*ed up
20:36	soffi	ok let's see
20:40	soffi	doesn't seem to be any difference :(
20:43	MarkWilliamso	\| can you get to single user mode in the domain?
20:44	MarkWilliamso	\| then you can see what the domain thinks is the problem...
20:44	soffi	I get straight to fsck
20:44	soffi	:)
20:44	soffi	this has something to do with tar
20:44	soffi	I'm simply doing something wrong :)
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21:05	MarkWilliamso	\| soffi: just to check - how do you know it's appearing read only to the guest?
21:05	MarkWilliamso	\| what exactly does the guest think is read only about it?
21:24	soffi	when starting up... it's trying to mount like sys or sumting
21:24	soffi	it says "error permission denied"
21:28	MarkWilliamso	\| that's wacky. have you tried the -p option to tar?
21:28	MarkWilliamso	\| otherwise tar will do stuff like applying your umask to the files it extracts
21:32	soffi	hmm let's try
21:33	MarkWilliamso	\| i'm just making a wild guess that it's changed the permissions somehow so that mount doesn't work...
21:34	knewt	also, silly question, but you /are/ doing the extraction as root, right?
21:34	soffi	yes :)
21:35	soffi	tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
21:35	soffi	tar: /root/ball.tar: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
21:35	soffi	tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
21:37	MarkWilliamso	\| use tar -cpf
21:37	knewt	the f needs to be at the end of the set
21:37	soffi	I am so stupid
21:38	MarkWilliamso	\| tar doesn't like any options coming after the f - i've been bitten by that before and it always confuses me
21:38	knewt	-fp creates a file called 'p', and tries to put '/root/ball.tar' and '*' into it
21:38		* soffi slaps himself around a bit with a large trout
21:38	MarkWilliamso	\| it's always good to keep a large trout handy
21:38		* knewt prefers a haddock
21:39	soffi	I prefer cod.. haddock is so loose
21:39	demon	salmon might work better
21:39	soffi	hehe
21:41	soffi	Checking root filesystem
21:41	soffi	fsck.ext3: Filesystem has unsupported feature(s) (/dev/sda1)
21:41	soffi	e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
21:41	soffi	but it stopped complaining about the permissions
21:42	MarkWilliamso	\| well I guess that's good
21:42	soffi	it is :)
21:42	MarkWilliamso	\| what's your dom0 / domU in this case?
21:42	soffi	sda1
21:42	knewt	it's probably dir_index that's the unsupported feature
21:42	MarkWilliamso	\| i meant what distro?
21:42	soffi	fc4test2
21:42	MarkWilliamso	\| is one of them doing something wacky...
21:42	soffi	and the domu is mandrake
21:42	MarkWilliamso	\| ah ok
21:43	MarkWilliamso	\| is FC4 running with SELinux enabled by any chance?
21:43	soffi	don't think so
21:43	soffi	let's doublecheck
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21:44	MarkWilliamso	\| knewt: what's dir_index and who uses it?
21:44	soffi	disabled
21:44	soffi	well
21:44	soffi	it's too late and I've got work in the morning :/
21:45	knewt	when dir_index is on ext2/3 uses hashed b-trees to speed up lookups in large directories
21:48	MarkWilliamso	\| ah ok. well that shouldn't matter for the tarball anyhow.
21:48	MarkWilliamso	\| which is good.
21:49	MarkWilliamso	\| soffi: good progress!
21:49	MarkWilliamso	\| see you later.
21:49	soffi	allright :) gnite
21:51	MarkWilliamso	\| time for me to sleep too.
21:51	MarkWilliamso	\| gnight all.
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22:47	cilkay	Hi. Does anyone have Xen running on Mandrake?
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22:53	demon	shouldn't be any reason you can't run mandrake with a xenolinux kernel... you just have to build the kernel yourself
22:57	cilkay	demon, I figured that - I have the MDK sources for 2.6.11. I noticed Xen is using 2.6.10. Not sure if I have to patch the MDK kernel or just use the Xen kernel. I would have to build various modules, such as for the SCSI RAID adapter too.
22:58	cilkay	The README is incomplete.
22:58	riel	xen-unstable is on 2.6.11 ;)
22:58	cilkay	The last sentence in the README reads: [NB. Unless noted otherwise, all the following steps should be
22:58	cilkay	performed with root privileges.]
22:59	cilkay	But there are no "following steps". That's the end of the file.
23:00	cilkay	Same story with unstable.
23:02	cilkay	Doing make dist on unstable now - should know soon.
23:03	cilkay	missing curl_devel and zlib_devel - urpmi'ing them now
23:06	cilkay	argh! ../../tools/libxc/xc.h:95: error: syntax error before "pid_t" - so much for xen-unstable
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23:11	demon	you might try using 2.0-testing
23:12	cilkay	Doing a make dist on 2.0.5 stable - seems to be going fine so far.
23:12	cilkay	Though I have no idea if it will include the modules for the SCSI RAID adapter.
23:48	cilkay	I get the grub menu - select Xen - get Error 15: file not found. Not sure what file it is referring to.
23:48	demon	er... it should show the commands it's running
23:48	caker	cilkay: if you have a separate /boot/ partition, remove boot from the paths in the example grub config they provide
23:49	demon	ah yeah... there is that
23:49	cilkay	aha, I do. Thanks.
---	Log	closed Mon May 02 00:00:11 2005