| --- | Log | opened Sat Apr 16 00:00:35 2005 |
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| 11:28 | knewt | dash: yes, as well xen itself and (almost certainly) the tools. in fact, if you move to -unstable, then every time you grab a newer version and want to try it out you should rebuild everything |
| 11:28 | knewt | s/\(almost certainly\) // |
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| 12:25 | dash | knewt: yes, i have discovered that now :) |
| 12:25 | dash | I am trying to locate the memory leaks in xend and see if they can be fixed |
| 12:26 | dash | perhaps just upgrading to twisted 2.0 will fix it, we have improved several bits since 1.3 |
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| 13:43 | eigood | dash: are you aware that xen is moving to a c toolset? |
| 14:01 | dash | eigood: i was aware that a c toolset was being developed |
| 14:01 | dash | I was not aware that xend was being dropped |
| 14:10 | dash | what's the rationale for that? |
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| 14:15 | @riel | dash: twisted, mostly ;) |
| 14:15 | eigood | that it's python too |
| 14:16 | eigood | dom0 could be much smaller if python weren't around |
| 14:16 | eigood | think about having all of dom0 in a single initrd |
| 14:16 | eigood | ideally, a single central server would talk to multiple remote dom0 nodes, and manage them centrally |
| 14:20 | dash | right, i understand that being a reason for developing a smaller C toolkit |
| 14:21 | eigood | I don't know the time scale for this, however |
| 14:21 | eigood | and if there are bugs in twisted, they might as well be fixed, as it'll help everyone, not just xen |
| 14:21 | dash | but my understanding was that xend was going to be retained for installations that wanted the features and could afford the resources |
| 14:21 | eigood | why maintain 2 codebases? |
| 14:21 | dash | because python is easier :) |
| 14:22 | | * riel brings up the ecartis code as evidence that C can be easier ;) |
| 14:22 | dash | hmm? |
| 14:22 | eigood | nono |
| 14:23 | eigood | procmail is the best example of a surpremely written c program I have ever seen |
| 14:23 | | * dash giggles |
| 14:23 | @riel | ewwww yuck |
| 14:23 | eigood | you guys don't have to deal with diziet code |
| 14:23 | | * riel was serious about the code in the ecartis modules - it may be C, but it's actually very easy to follow even though it's processing email |
| 14:24 | eigood | dpkg: sh -> perl4 -> c; dselect: perl4 -> c++ |
| 14:24 | eigood | you do *not* want to see what this c looks like. |
| 14:27 | dash | hehe |
| 14:28 | dash | anyway i would really love a nicely written python xend, since I am already running python in my dom0 for other things |
| 14:28 | dash | the current one looks like it really wants to be java, though |
| 14:28 | eigood | previous versions were java |
| 14:29 | dash | ah. |
| 14:29 | dash | that may be a factor, then |
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| 15:00 | @anticw | eigood: your joking right? i was fixing procmail bugs the other day and i would claim it's some of the worst code if ever had to deal with |
| 15:00 | @anticw | nick cw |
| 15:00 | @anticw | eigood: procmail is very useful and does a pretty good job --- but the code is terrible |
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