| --- | Log | opened Mon Apr 11 00:00:38 2005 |
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| 03:17 | mael | hi |
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| 04:21 | soffi | morning |
| 04:22 | mael | hi soffi |
| 04:22 | soffi | whatsup |
| 04:28 | mael | pretty tired :) |
| 04:28 | soffi | hehe |
| 06:26 | @riel | owwww, not fair! |
| 06:26 | @riel | xen broke _again_ in the rawhide kernel |
| 06:26 | @riel | with the rebase to -rc2 |
| 06:26 | @riel | and execshield updates |
| 06:27 | @riel | that'll probably take me half of the day to fix up |
| 06:30 | mael | lo riel :) |
| 06:30 | @riel | 'morning |
| 06:32 | mael | riel: did you followed design discussions from xen 1.2 to xen 2? |
| 06:33 | @riel | nope, back then I was still looking at the CKRM design ;) |
| 06:33 | mael | I wonder how the front-end/back-end/native device drivers model emerged |
| 06:34 | mael | hehe you swiched after OLSR '04? |
| 06:35 | @riel | yeah, after OLS |
| 06:35 | @riel | (not sure where the R comes from) |
| 06:35 | mael | mmh from my mind probably :) |
| 07:00 | soffi | muhaha |
| 07:00 | | * soffi is officially a p2p fascist |
| 07:02 | mael | soffi: well, uh, you're a network & system engineer, no? |
| 07:02 | soffi | yup |
| 07:03 | mael | yeah so you *are* a fascist |
| 07:03 | soffi | shuold change my job description to pure fascist |
| 07:03 | soffi | mael: hehe exactly |
| 07:03 | mael | in your job at least, no matter what your real political opinions are |
| 07:03 | | * mael is a network & system engineer too :) |
| 07:18 | mael | hehe there's already the "Xen Summit 3.0" presentation on the website |
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| 07:19 | mael | ...for year 3005 :) |
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| 07:51 | @riel | soffi: there's nothing like clamping down p2p traffic to 30kbit/s for 10 minutes every 15 minutes ;) |
| 07:51 | mael | riel: hehe |
| 07:51 | @riel | or instructing the firewall to drop every second p2p packet |
| 07:51 | @Sir_Ahzz | moooo |
| 07:51 | @riel | tcp congestion control will do the rest |
| 07:52 | mael | mmh, and I thought sysadmin where the worst :) |
| 07:52 | @riel | (and it's subtle enough that users will never figure out) |
| 07:52 | mael | -h |
| 07:53 | @Sir_Ahzz | netadmins can be far worse. |
| 07:53 | @Sir_Ahzz | especially if they snoop a link, and terminate it 5 bytes from being complete on a non-restartable download. |
| 07:53 | | * Sir_Ahzz misses 14.4k modem banks. |
| 07:54 | mael | :) |
| 07:54 | mael | I don't :) |
| 07:54 | @riel | mael: that's because you were on the other side |
| 07:54 | @Sir_Ahzz | oh I don't miss the lack of speed. |
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| 07:54 | @Sir_Ahzz | just the hundreds of pretty flashing lights in a rack. |
| 07:55 | mael | riel: uh no, this is because the rack stuff, the pile of cables going to the telephone sockets on the wall |
| 07:55 | mael | and also the f*g shiva gear |
| 07:56 | soffi | hehe |
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| 07:56 | soffi | one hour with the shaper on and no phonecalls! :) |
| 07:56 | @surriel | ok, time to go to the office ;) |
| 07:56 | @Sir_Ahzz | mael, didn't you have wire guides? |
| 07:57 | @Sir_Ahzz | or tie straps at the minimal. |
| 07:57 | mael | uh no, I wasn't the guy responsible for the mess in the first place |
| 07:57 | mael | I cleaned it up a bit but it took ages |
| 07:57 | @Sir_Ahzz | heh |
| 07:58 | mael | the usual "legacy stuff" problem |
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| 07:58 | mael | sometimes system and network administration is very close to archaeology |
| 07:59 | @Sir_Ahzz | *chuckle* |
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| 08:00 | | * Sir_Ahzz wonders if his 4-way ppro boxes are considered legacy. 3' tall rack sized boxes from IBM. |
| 08:00 | @Sir_Ahzz | anyone want them? |
| 08:01 | @Sir_Ahzz | I have 3 that I can't use linux on. ;-P |
| 08:01 | mael | mmh why not? |
| 08:02 | mael | I mean why can't you use linux on them? |
| 08:02 | @Sir_Ahzz | never could get the APICs to initialize properly. |
| 08:02 | mael | ok |
| 08:02 | @Sir_Ahzz | been trying since 2.3.99 |
| 08:02 | @Sir_Ahzz | every kernel version up to 2.6.3 |
| 08:03 | @Sir_Ahzz | sides, they are monstrous in size. nowhere to put them cept for the shed. 8-P |
| 08:04 | @Sir_Ahzz | came with 3 fiber-chan cards, and 3 adaptec f/w scsi-III raid cards. |
| 08:04 | @Sir_Ahzz | one had a 4-port 10Mbps network card. |
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| 09:33 | sunny | I have this odd problem of dom0_mem= giving me constant greif |
| 09:33 | sunny | err, grief |
| 09:33 | unriel | don't use it, then ;) |
| 09:33 | unriel | if you're on -unstable |
| 09:34 | sunny | but if I don't use it, xend seems to go psycho |
| 09:35 | sunny | for now I'm using less ram than my system actually has |
| 09:35 | sunny | for I seem to get odd conflicting reports of how much RAM my system has |
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| 09:45 | sunny | so what is the best way to see what to specify with dom0_mem= ? |
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| 10:46 | | * eigood is making a debian package of iet |
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| 11:02 | matta-lt | aliguori: VM tools are at almost the same functionality as xend right now, correct? |
| 11:02 | mael | hey aliguori |
| 11:02 | matta-lt | it's just bugfixes/testing.. ? |
| 11:03 | aliguori | matta-lt: yeah, migration/save/restore is missing but someone is working on that as we speak |
| 11:03 | mael | aliguori: users were setting a trap for you :) |
| 11:03 | aliguori | mael: howdy |
| 11:03 | aliguori | hehe |
| 11:03 | aliguori | a trap? uh oh |
| 11:03 | | * mael has a question also :) |
| 11:04 | matta-lt | aliguori: heh, well i personally don't use that (yet) anyway |
| 11:04 | matta-lt | vm-tools intrigue me.... |
| 11:04 | mael | you talked about a "uclibc howto as soon as the wiki is up" |
| 11:04 | aliguori | ahhh |
| 11:04 | mael | well I inform you that the wiki it up :) |
| 11:04 | aliguori | i was wondering how long it would take for someone to pick up on that :-) |
| 11:04 | matta-lt | mainly because all of my problems with xen seem to revolve around xend :) |
| 11:04 | mael | and I was not able to find the howto :)) |
| 11:04 | mael | krkrkr |
| 11:04 | mael | a trap! I told you :) |
| 11:05 | aliguori | mael: i'll put something up this afternoon :-) |
| 11:05 | mael | ok that's nice :) |
| 11:06 | mael | it's just that you libxen/vm-tools work is not so far from completion and I think it is about time for the uclibc stuff :) |
| 11:06 | aliguori | uclibc is really easy to get going |
| 11:06 | aliguori | i just have to download everything and run through it so i can document the steps :-) |
| 11:06 | aliguori | so it's just been an issue of time, but i do have some free time this afternoon |
| 11:07 | matta-lt | yayayayay death to xend/python! |
| 11:07 | aliguori | one of my original goals with vm-tools was a uclibc-based < 4MB dom0 |
| 11:07 | mael | ok that's brilliant! |
| 11:07 | mael | yeah I know |
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| 11:07 | mael | well in fact I just discovered today to be fair :) |
| 11:07 | aliguori | hehe |
| 11:08 | mael | as soon as I heard about the c rewrite of xend and xm, I thought about a as-small-as-possible-dom0-image |
| 11:08 | aliguori | well, what i would like is a dom0 that fits within a ramdisk.. |
| 11:08 | mael | but as for many stuff in life, I was not the first one :) |
| 11:08 | matta-lt | I only run mine with 128MB ... including full http and mysql |
| 11:09 | aliguori | brb, lunch time |
| 11:09 | mael | yeah the 16MB target is a cool one |
| 11:09 | mael | (for dom0 I mean) |
| 11:10 | mael | anyway, "bon appetit" :) |
| 11:10 | mael | hi jeroney btw |
| 11:12 | | * mael is happy with the vmtools link on aliguori webpage also :) |
| 11:12 | mael | thx lads |
| 11:16 | eigood | does VM tools work with 2.0? |
| 11:17 | mael | you mean xen 2.0? |
| 11:17 | eigood | aliguori: what about ssh? |
| 11:17 | eigood | what other 2.0 would I mean? |
| 11:17 | matta-lt | no |
| 11:17 | matta-lt | only unstable... |
| 11:17 | eigood | any reason why it couldn't be made to work? |
| 11:17 | matta-lt | hypervisor calls have changed? |
| 11:18 | matta-lt | i'm sure it's entirely possible |
| 11:18 | eigood | someone add the vm tools link to the topic please |
| 11:19 | matta-lt | i would love that |
| 11:19 | matta-lt | -unstable is not that bad if you track i to know when to use it |
| 11:21 | mael | Sir_Ahzz: "vm-tools : http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/aliguori/vm-tools/" for the topic :) |
| 11:22 | eigood | why does this channel have topiclock set? |
| 11:22 | mael | "because" :) |
| 11:22 | eigood | that's not a reason |
| 11:23 | mael | hehe that's my 4 years old girl answears also :) |
| 11:23 | mael | +what |
| 11:24 | eigood | your 4 year old swears? |
| 11:24 | eigood | you're a bad parent. |
| 11:25 | mael | hehe |
| 11:26 | eigood | Sir_Ahzz: in case you don't see the earlier stuff, remove topiclock from this channel |
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| 12:18 | --- | Channel: Sir_Ahzz changed the topic of #xen to: Xen Homepage-> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html || Xen Wiki -> http://wiki.xensource.com || vm-tools : http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/aliguori/vm-tools/ |
| 12:19 | --- | Channel: mode/#xen [-t] by Sir_Ahzz |
| 12:19 | --- | Channel: mode/#xen [+t] by ChanServ |
| 12:19 | @Sir_Ahzz | hmm, have to check with chanserv on how. |
| 12:20 | @Sir_Ahzz | set |
| 12:20 | --- | Channel: mode/#xen [-t] by Sir_Ahzz |
| 12:20 | --- | Channel: mode/#xen [+t] by ChanServ |
| 12:21 | --- | Channel: mode/#xen [-t] by Sir_Ahzz |
| 12:21 | @Sir_Ahzz | there we go. :) |
| 12:24 | eigood | good boy |
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| 12:46 | riel | gah |
| 12:46 | riel | I am so sick of xen not being upstream |
| 12:46 | riel | every other week things change so much upstream that the xen patches get disabled in fedora, and I spend a day or two fixing it up again |
| 12:48 | @cw | riel: xen or xen-linux? |
| 12:49 | @cw | riel: also, if you are using xen-linux trailng the (now defunct) BK head do you have 'fixup' patches anywhere? |
| 12:49 | riel | xen-linux |
| 12:50 | riel | fixup patches up to last week in fedora rawhide |
| 12:50 | @cw | riel: are they rh specific? |
| 12:51 | riel | not the ones in linux-2.6.9-xen-compile.patch |
| 12:51 | riel | the rh specific ones are split out, eg linux-2.6.8-execshield-xen.patch |
| 12:53 | matta | i've been using the FC4 RPM's on a production host for about 5 days now |
| 12:53 | matta | so far so good |
| 12:54 | riel | matta: yeah, the FC4t2 RPMs are good |
| 12:54 | matta | kernel-xen0-2.6.11-1.1226_FC4 |
| 12:55 | riel | sometimes stuff breaks, but I try to get it in a good shape before a test release |
| 12:55 | matta | that was due to xend acting up on a host |
| 12:55 | riel | yeah, 1226 is a good kernel |
| 12:55 | matta | (as in, refusing to start) |
| 12:55 | matta | someone trying to upgrade the host to FC4 |
| 12:55 | matta | and then xend/xen _totally_ not liking FC4 |
| 12:56 | matta | notably due to new gcc/glibc/python |
| 12:57 | riel | so you didn't use the xen RPM from FC4 ? |
| 12:58 | matta | not at first |
| 12:58 | matta | it is using the xen RPM now |
| 12:58 | matta | xen-2-20050403 |
| 12:58 | riel | yeah, the xend/xen interface seems to have changed about 3-4 weeks ago |
| 12:59 | matta | but custom xenU kernels |
| 12:59 | matta | as I was stating before, i'll be happy when xend is gone :) |
| 12:59 | matta | seems to be the source of (most) all my problems |
| 12:59 | @cw | riel: so you know if there is an easy way to get details/stats on the grant-tables for a given domain? |
| 13:00 | riel | cw: dunno |
| 13:01 | matta | riel: i know this is probably not your dept... but the e2fsprogs included with fc3/4 has a patch to mke2fs that makes other distros not able to boot off of a FS made with it |
| 13:01 | matta | i've been maintaining my own e2fsprogs package on my servers... but if Fedora/RedHat is serious about virtualisation they should make sure to at least try to play nice :) |
| 13:01 | riel | matta: oh dear, better file a bug on that |
| 13:02 | riel | please cc: me on that bug, so I can help push it along |
| 13:02 | matta | i was planning on it, I wanted to figure out which patch it is that does it first |
| 13:03 | riel | just file it, chances are the e2fsprogs package maintainer knows ;) |
| 13:05 | eigood | matta: just install debian; then, you'll never need to switch. |
| 13:05 | | * eigood hides |
| 13:05 | matta | lol |
| 13:05 | matta | i'm a redhat/fedora guy |
| 13:06 | riel | yeah, run xen 1.2 on debian ;) |
| 13:06 | matta | i've administered debian quite a bit, but RPM, init scripts, etc of redhat is what I know the best |
| 13:06 | eigood | riel: 2.0 is in experimental |
| 13:06 | eigood | only reason it's not in unstable is because I don't handle upgrades from 1.2 |
| 13:06 | matta | if I wanted gcc 2.95 i'd run debian |
| 13:06 | matta | ubuntu looks good though :) |
| 13:06 | riel | eigood: that is so wrong |
| 13:06 | eigood | matta: has redhat released a *stable* version with xen? |
| 13:07 | riel | eigood: 2.0 is stable, 3.0 is experimental |
| 13:07 | eigood | riel: no, it's not. debian is about upgrading. |
| 13:07 | eigood | riel: debian experimental |
| 13:07 | riel | from here it looks like a downgrade ;) |
| 13:07 | eigood | just because something is in debian's experimental doesn't mean the code is experimental |
| 13:08 | eigood | and yes, I have had a report of an upgrade from 1.2 to 2.0 breaking something |
| 13:08 | eigood | there was a stale deb/file that caused the 2.0 stuff to not work |
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| 14:29 | @Sir_Ahzz | riel, ran xen 1.2 on debian. ;) still smoother than redhat has ever been for me. |
| 14:29 | @Sir_Ahzz | *ducks and runs like mad!* |
| 14:35 | mikegrb | Sir_Ahzz: :D |
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| 14:57 | @Sir_Ahzz | how was xencon mike? |
| 14:58 | mikegrb | Sir_Ahzz: I was not there :/ |
| 14:58 | @Sir_Ahzz | oh |
| 14:58 | @Sir_Ahzz | my mistake. :) |
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| 15:04 | riel | you didn't miss all that much |
| 15:04 | riel | the technical stuff was fun, and meeting each other was fun, but there weren't many ground-breaking activities |
| 15:05 | riel | possibly the most useful was working out a plan on how to get xen-linux merged upstream, and deciding on who got to do what part of the work |
| 15:11 | matta | riel: have you/redhat completely abandoned vserver? |
| 15:12 | eigood | Sir_Ahzz: I'm making debs of ietd, btw |
| 15:12 | riel | matta: vserver isn't really compatible with selinux |
| 15:12 | riel | matta: since the selinux subsystem isn't easily virtualisable |
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| 15:15 | @Sir_Ahzz | eigood, hmmm? |
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| 15:20 | cfreak | n8 |
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| 15:21 | eigood | Sir_Ahzz: iscsitarget.sf.net |
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| 15:53 | eigood | hmm, xen on a 32-way |
| 16:01 | matta | yeah |
| 16:01 | matta | interesting... another big iron company announcing it's "support" of xen |
| 16:08 | riel | matta: which company ? |
| 16:09 | jeroney | riel: Unisys |
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| 16:10 | riel | neat |
| 16:10 | riel | do you have a URL ? ;) |
| 16:10 | riel | oh, I see - on the list |
| 16:10 | riel | not a press release ;) |
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| 17:47 | xai | Im having problems with system reboots. Seems like when the network gets activated that it starts to have problems. |
| 17:47 | xai | I can't seem to get any log information from /var/log/messages.. nothing there. |
| 17:48 | xai | I did have a watchdog timer on in the bios but I have turned that off.. |
| 17:49 | xai | I have no idea why that would have been on anyway. |
| 17:49 | @cw | xai: the system is rebooting? xen isn't doing it? |
| 17:50 | xai | Not that I know of.. |
| 17:51 | xai | BTW, is there a list of kernel options and description of why they need to be on for Xen0 kernels? I see that pre-emptible kernel was on. |
| 17:53 | @surriel | you could use a serial console to get info from the system |
| 17:53 | @surriel | the dom0 kernel and xen will usually print out messages on such a spontaneous reboot |
| 17:55 | @cw | xen can be told not to reboot on dom0 crash too |
| 17:55 | @cw | noreboot i think, let me grep |
| 17:56 | @cw | xai: yeah, pass noreboot to xen and see if when it dies you are left with something |
| 17:56 | @cw | if it's rebooting still, it might be a triple fault :( |
| 17:59 | niv | xai: preemptible is not required for xen, afaik |
| 18:03 | @surriel | preemptible might well interfere |
| 18:03 | | * surriel has preemptible off |
| 18:03 | @surriel | (I don't see how it would be useful with xen anyway) |
| 18:04 | niv | Yep, would be safer to turn it off... |
| 18:08 | @cw | i don't see how kernel preemption should be a problem other than probably being less well tested |
| 18:08 | @cw | it might be that it does barf and takes dom0 down though |
| 18:09 | eigood | good |
| 18:09 | eigood | the debs for iscsitarget(ietd) are mostly done |
| 18:09 | soffi | mmmmm iscsi target |
| 18:09 | eigood | I wish I didn't have to do work stuff |
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| 18:52 | niv | anyone else running into build breakage? |
| 18:56 | @cw | niv: breakage where? |
| 19:00 | xai | Sorry, i had to go get my son. I'll turn it off. I also have several encryption options on.. |
| 19:00 | xai | I don't know how those got into my kernel, but if i dont need it I'll off it. |
| 19:01 | niv | make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/xen-unstable/tools/xentrace' |
| 19:01 | niv | gcc -m32 -march=i686 -Wall -Werror -O3 -I ../../tools/python/xen/lowlevel/xc -I . ./../tools/libxc -I ../../tools/libxutil -o xentrace xentrace.c -L../../tools/libx c -L../../tools/libxutil -lxc -lxutil |
| 19:01 | niv | In file included from ../../tools/libxc/xen/trace.h:11, |
| 19:01 | niv | from xentrace.c:25: |
| 19:01 | niv | /usr/include/asm/atomic.h:40:2: #warning Using kernel header in userland program. BAD! |
| 19:01 | niv | looking into it |
| 19:01 | @cw | niv: gentoo? |
| 19:01 | niv | not seeing any error, this shouldn't be fatal, but it is |
| 19:01 | niv | FC3 |
| 19:01 | xai | After turning off the nic, and watchdog in the bios, its been up for over an hour now. |
| 19:02 | niv | I see a patch to fix this 9 hours ago in BK, but can't use BK to download current src at the mo |
| 19:02 | niv | but previous code was this way for a while..strange.. |
| 19:02 | @cw | niv: i don't see that warning here after a full build... might wanna check to see where xen is getting it's headers from |
| 19:02 | @cw | niv: for FC3 can't you just use surriel's rpms? |
| 19:03 | niv | I was picking up later source, since I needed to apply my own patches.. |
| 19:03 | niv | hmm, all I did was untar the src tarball and do make |
| 19:16 | xai | I have some really wierd kernel options on in this kernel: /dev/cpu/*/cpuid - CPU information support, /proc/kcore, encryption.. |
| 19:18 | xai | I think the BIOS watchdog was giving me those reboots, but Im still not sure yet. |
| 19:19 | xai | Is /proc/kcore support needed by Xen0? |
| 19:19 | @cw | no |
| 19:21 | xai | Thanks.. should I be looking at the stock configs for this info? |
| 19:25 | xai | I see in the stock configuration files many of these things are on.. |
| 19:29 | @cw | /proc/kcore won't hurt, some things use it --- but it's not needed |
| 19:45 | xai | What about CPUID support? |
| 19:45 | xai | I see it on in all config files . |
| 19:50 | xai | Would anyone have a bare-bones 2.6.10-xen0 config file I could look at? |
| 19:51 | @cw | xai: i have one, im not sure if it's bare-bones though and it's specific to my hw and fs so you would need to frob that |
| 19:52 | @cw | actually, i guess i nuked it |
| 19:52 | xai | ;( |
| 19:52 | @cw | what's wrong with the ones supplied? |
| 19:52 | xai | Well, next time you run accross one, shout at me. |
| 19:53 | xai | I'm glad to see surriel is a permanent fixture here. |
| 19:54 | @cw | xai: dist/install/boot/config-2.6.11-xen0 is close, just tweak that for you CPU and hardware |
| 19:59 | xai | I know this is somewhere in the faq, but i can't find it: how can I (if even possible) merge my version of xen-2.0 with a newer version. ? |
| 20:00 | @cw | what do you mean? |
| 20:01 | @cw | you have 2.0 install and want 2.0.5? |
| 20:01 | xai | yea.. just unpack? |
| 20:01 | xai | and move .configs? |
| 20:01 | @cw | i personally remove the old install first, but i guess dropping it over the top should work |
| 20:02 | @cw | the .configs are used for building the kernels, they are not part of the install |
| 20:04 | xai | sure.. Ok, for some reaon (im dense today) i thought there was some sort of merging. |
| 20:06 | @cw | you can use your old .configs for building the kernel(s) if you like, that should be fine |
| 20:06 | @cw | and if they work, it's not a bad idea |
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| 20:18 | xai | for some reason, i thought 2.0.5 would have 2.6.11 instead of 2.6.10.. |
| 20:18 | @cw | use xeno-unstable for 2.6.11 |
| 20:18 | @cw | or surriel rpms |
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| 20:20 | xai | ok.. I'll be patient and stick with 2.0.5 |
| 20:22 | MarkWilliamso | | -testing (i.e. will be the 2.0.6 release) contains 2.6.11 support I think |
| 20:23 | MarkWilliamso | | xai: so if you want 2.6.11 but don't want to use -unstable, that would be the best option |
| 20:23 | MarkWilliamso | | I imagine 2.0.6 will get released anyhow in the not too distant future |
| 20:25 | xai | I'm in no rush, just got the curiosties. |
| 20:26 | MarkWilliamso | | :-) |
| 20:27 | MarkWilliamso | | it's just 2.6.11 wasn't release early enough for 2.0.5 |
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| 20:34 | @cw | MarkWilliamson: 2.0.5.1 :) |
| 20:34 | @cw | MarkWilliamson: i assume 2.0.5 -> 2.0.6 is pretty small anyhow? |
| 20:34 | MarkWilliamso | | :-) |
| 20:34 | MarkWilliamso | | I'm not sure actually, didn't the block performance fixes go in after 2.0.5? |
| 20:35 | @cw | yes |
| 20:35 | @cw | but those didn't look large to me (well, the stuff on the list) |
| 20:35 | MarkWilliamso | | The actual diffs will probably still be quite small but significant :-) |
| 20:36 | MarkWilliamso | | And there's probably various sparse tree fixes for changing kernel APIs. |
| 20:36 | @cw | MarkWilliamson: do you guys test/use 2.4.x or 2.6.x as dom0 mostly? |
| 20:36 | @cw | MarkWilliamson: actually, the AGP stuff will be in there too |
| 20:37 | MarkWilliamso | | cw: I think 2.6 is almost exclusively used for dom0 testing |
| 20:37 | MarkWilliamso | | cw: ^ ah, ok. |
| 20:37 | @cw | MarkWilliamson: there is also a gs-related fix somewhere maybe? |
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| 20:38 | @MarkWilliamso | | cw: I don't remember but it's possible |
| 21:25 | xai | Well I'm not getting any spontaneous reboots now.. good for now.. bad then. |
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