TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#xen:2005:04:04

---	Log	opened Mon Apr 04 00:00:23 2005
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04:51	mael	Hi
05:23	CryptWizard	hi
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06:39	soffi	hey dudes
06:45	mael	I soffi
06:45	mael	s/I/Hi/
06:45	soffi	how are you doing
06:45	mael	cool you just arrived, I was reading you mail on xen users
06:45	soffi	cool :)
06:45	mael	I have a small sarge image if you need
06:46	soffi	cool
06:46	mael	but I don't have it here
06:46	soffi	no prob
06:46	mael	I can upload it anywhere you like
06:46	soffi	you can use a temporary ssh/scp account on my machine
06:46	soffi	don't have ftp
06:47	mael	ok
06:47	mael	I will get the stuff for tomorrow, as I need some time to fix a hdd problem on my xen machine
06:47	soffi	olrite
06:48	mael	I'll contact you here
06:48	soffi	What do you think, should the images be configured to get dhcp for network or leave it up to the user?
06:48	soffi	I had to go through hell getting Novell network up
06:49	soffi	but that's because I don't know novell / suse init architecture
06:54	mael	well I don't know
06:54	mael	dhcp seems simpler
06:54	mael	btw I might be interesting to set "rules" for the images
06:54	mael	for instance : fs used, hostname, network configuration
06:55	mael	which mirror to use, so on
06:57	mael	shall I do the "mv tls tls.disabled" also?
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07:00		* mael guess so as it is written on the web page
07:03	mael	hehe I just discovered that I haven't seen the whole bunch of messages on the ML...
07:03	mael	plenty to read
07:20	mael	ok i finished reading the whole thread
07:21	mael	I think stuff has been quite far, maybe too much if you ask me, but I don't want to slow down one's enthusiasm :)
07:21	mael	Anyway, I think it is quite necessary to provide rules instead of letting the "image provider" doing whatever he wants to
07:25	mael	at least for "base domU images", as I believe they should be small and clean
07:25	mael	we can have separate specialized images/distributions as Antoine stated in his mail
07:25	mael	+also
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07:58	mael	soffi: I'm writting a short document on images build specifications and building new DomU debian sarge images
08:03		* soffi just got back from lunch
08:04	soffi	mael: I think a baseline/rules for images should be written
08:04	soffi	well at least discussed
08:05	soffi	maybe everyone will agree that I should put backdoors and trojans into every image ;)
08:05	mael	ok, and this is exactly what I'm writting : a sort of RFC for images buildings
08:05	mael	s/for images buildings/on how to build images/
08:07	mael	I can send you this draft as an openoffice document
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08:12	soffi	ehh how about a textfile ?:)
08:12	soffi	does it have images ? :)
08:12	mael	yeah I can export it in text format
08:12	soffi	If it has images and lots of formatting then send me the OO dok
08:13	mael	it's just that it might allow us to add correction tracking
08:13	soffi	ahh
08:13	soffi	clever
08:13	soffi	sooo clever
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08:13	soffi	well lets see if yum pulls oo for me
08:14	mael	diff is a solution also if OOo is not an option for you :)
08:15	soffi	nono sure I'
08:15	soffi	ll you OO... just didn't think of the versioning feature
08:16	soffi	you/use/g
08:20	soffi	what do you think about the tarballs ?
08:20	soffi	I mean.. they are fs agnostic
08:22	mael	yeah I think this is cleaner
08:23	mael	and the images are smaller
08:24	mael	providing a small rootfs image can be a challenge because that mean you might have to do partitions resizing etc...
08:27	soffi	yup
08:27	soffi	if only tarballs are provided, the only change you have to make is /etc/fstab
08:28	soffi	that is if you are not using the fs originally stated in fstab
08:28	mael	yes
08:28	mael	but you have to consider the fs included in the domU kernel image
08:29	mael	I think we might start with "generic" xen domU images first
08:29	mael	so it will be easier to maintain
08:29	soffi	yeah I think so
08:30	mael	we can change that afterwards if needed
08:30	mael	for instance in the distributions provide xen domU kernels on their own
08:30	mael	s/in/if/
08:31	soffi	yup
08:32	soffi	best would be to provide online image generation ;)
08:33	mael	mmh
08:34	mael	well I'm not so sure :)
08:34	soffi	hehehe
08:34	soffi	so where in the world are you
08:34	mael	best would be a complete integration of xen features in Linus kernel
08:34	mael	France
08:34	soffi	I'd rather have it in the FreeBSD kernel ;)
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08:35	riel	morning
08:35	soffi	morning riel
08:35	soffi	where the hell are you
08:35	mael	hi riel
08:35	riel	at the office
08:35	mael	:)
08:35	soffi	hehe
08:35		* mael guess this was not exactly soffi's question :)
08:36	soffi	I made a huge sacrifice for Xen
08:36	soffi	installed Linux on my work desktop
08:36	riel	the office is in Westford, MA, US ;)
08:36	riel	home is in Nashua, NH, US
08:36	soffi	what is MA ? Massachusbla ?
08:36	riel	yeah
08:36	soffi	load mod_speling
08:37	riel	so about 4 hours time difference with Iceland now
08:37	soffi	cool, I'm going to Boston in june
08:37	riel	it's not that much of a city
08:38	soffi	well I'm not staying there for long.. gonna visit my cousin in Rhode Island
08:38	riel	cool
08:38	soffi	and Providence is not that much of a city ;)
08:38	mael	riel: well you're commuting on quite a distance then
08:38		* riel needs to visit family again one of these days
08:39	riel	mael: not really, both are near the border
08:39	mael	hehe ok
08:39	mael	:)
08:39	riel	mael: about 25 km distance
08:39	mael	less than me then :\
08:39	soffi	I only highlight I have from my last trip to boston, was when a cop told me not to smoke outside some mall ;)
08:39	soffi	s/I/the
08:40	soffi	"no smoking in a 40 feet radius from the mall"
08:40	soffi	I haven't laughed that hard since
08:42	riel	that's Mass alright ;)
08:42	soffi	hehe
08:42		* riel prefers the "live free or die" state
08:43	soffi	and what state is that
08:43	soffi	your state?
08:43	riel	New Hampshire
08:44	soffi	I should go there.. they'll probably let me smoke by the bay
08:44	mael	soffi: you should quit cigarette, that would solve all your problems :)
08:44	soffi	that's what everyone keeps telling me
08:44	mael	hehe
08:44	mael	maybe this is true then :))
08:45	mael	and I guess this is exactly why you don't quit :)
08:45	soffi	no.. not resisting what everyone is telling me, I'm simply an addict
08:46	soffi	mael: so are you punching into OpenOffice ?
08:47	mael	yep
08:48	soffi	cool
08:48	soffi	work is slow today
08:48	soffi	running out of things to do
08:49	mael	well I should be working on something else, but it is documentation also and xen doc is more precise in my head
08:49	soffi	hehe
08:49	soffi	I should be working on rate-limiting p2p fu**ers
08:50	mael	I guess you're system and network engineer then?
08:51	soffi	yeps
08:51	soffi	I'm primarily a router/network kind of a guy
08:51	soffi	but at geek as well
08:51	mael	ok
08:52	mael	working for a firm or a state/public company?
08:52	soffi	private isp
08:55	mael	ok
08:56	mael	you're more cisco? juniper? foundry?
08:57	soffi	cisco
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08:57	soffi	don't know anything else than cisco, and then BSD / Linux networking
08:57	soffi	have quite a few of them cheap boxes doing stuff
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09:04	mael	argh
09:05		* mael is really really tired today
09:05	mael	I closed OOo without saving the work I've done on the document
09:05	mael	sooo stupid
09:08	mael	soffi: I'll work on this later then
09:08	mael	I can't redo everything now
09:08	mael	I have to work but I'll make fresh new debian images in the backrounf
09:08	mael	-f+d
09:08	mael	+g
09:10	soffi	allrighty
09:14	soffi	hehe dilbert is good today
09:19		* mael is crazy enough to build a domU image on a xen host running in a vmware vm
09:20	soffi	vmware is cool
09:20	soffi	for development
09:21	mael	well, for now this is my only mean to run a windows xp on my work machine
09:21	mael	I need a windows xp machine to help my clients, but I want a linux system
09:22	soffi	yeah I have a 3ghz, 2gb RAM machine in the serverroom running vmware for servers.. and it sucks ass
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10:21	mael	soffi: ok I have a fresh sarge image
10:21	mael	two in fact
10:22	mael	a tar.bz2 and a tar.gz
10:23	soffi	cool
10:23	soffi	how big are they (combined)
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10:24	mael	soffi: do you see private messages or not?
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10:54	soffi	hey matta whatsup
11:01	jeroney	anyone tried to get x86-64 xenlinux to compile ? It looks like it still needs some work.
11:07	mael	see you lads
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11:44	riel	jeroney: I'm going to try that today
11:44	riel	jeroney: I just installed the latest rawhide on an x86-64 system
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12:20	soffi	maaan this Ted on Xen-users is alll about marketing speek
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12:29	riel	soffi: Ted doesn't seem all that skilled in convincing others to package Xen for him ;)
12:29	soffi	nope
12:29	soffi	I would take the other route
12:29	soffi	PARTICIPATE
12:29	soffi	hehe
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12:30	riel	I'll have to try some distributions, using the xenU images you provide ;)
12:30	cw	xen-users is great, it keeps (some) of the crud of xen-devel
12:30	soffi	but I sent him a mail so I can suck up his precious satellite, and mocked him
12:30	soffi	well diff(users, devel)
12:31	soffi	but man xen-users didn't take long to attract idiots
12:31	soffi	but he's getting satellite... where is he? Greenland? Alaska ?
12:31	cw	they were flocking to -devel and even here before that
12:32	cw	xen has buzzwords so it attracts some irritating people (uml is similar)
12:32	soffi	yeah.. "virtual" should be banned on google
12:34	riel	relax - it's just ones and zeroes
12:35	soffi	hehe
12:36	soffi	well I'm a young bad tempered boy
12:37		* riel gently manipulates Ted with the cattle prod
12:38		* Sir_Ahzz hands riel the Clue Bat(tm)
12:38	riel	nah, more subtle ;)
12:38	riel	the mail should be there in a few minutes
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12:38	@Sir_Ahzz	heh
12:42	soffi	hehehehe
12:42	soffi	mean yet subtle
12:45	knewt	(people who send email in which they request that any reply goes to someone else and don't set the Reply-To field)--
12:46	@Sir_Ahzz	I prefer to use the addy "Satan" <devil@hell.org>
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12:49	riel	just subtle enough that he might reply
12:50	soffi	rile: unfortunaetly yes
12:50	soffi	load mod_speling
12:50	riel	not unfortunately
12:50	riel	it'd be good if he openly admitted he isn't volunteering to do any of the work
12:50	soffi	Yes that would be
12:50	soffi	orrr yes it would
12:51	soffi	load mod_grammar
12:51	soffi	;)
12:52	riel	ok, lets see how "well" xen builds on x86-64 with gcc4 -Wall -Werror
12:52	jeroney	riel: the tools build fine..xen builds fine...xen linux is no go
12:53	jeroney	riel: I've been using rawhide since last week to get past any gcc4 issues
12:53	@Sir_Ahzz	there is allways a crowd that believes that they can get others to do all the work and then take all of the credit.
12:53	riel	ok cool
12:53	@Sir_Ahzz	Once of the hazzards of an open source project.
12:53	riel	I know the Intel folks submitted some code, which got committed over the weekend
12:54	soffi	Sir_Ahzz: that is my goal
12:54		* Sir_Ahzz larts soffi
12:54	@Sir_Ahzz	:)
12:54	soffi	getting Xen packaged and naming it "Microsoft Machines"
12:54	soffi	oooor better yet "Apple iXen"
12:54	@Sir_Ahzz	8-P
12:54	@Sir_Ahzz	yer sick man
12:55	soffi	hehe
12:55		* Sir_Ahzz is gone again. more yardwork to do.
12:55	jeroney	riel: yes, apparently that code does not fully compile correctly..you have to do some manual manipulation to get things where they should be...but still don't have it fully compiling
12:55	soffi	godspeed my son
12:56	riel	jeroney: ok cool
12:56	riel	RPM build errors:
12:56	riel	File not found by glob: /var/tmp/xen-2-20050403-root/usr/lib64/libxc.*
12:56	riel	File not found by glob: /var/tmp/xen-2-20050403-root/usr/lib64/libxutil.*
12:56	riel	well, getting there ;)
12:56	riel	the compile is flawless
12:56	soffi	try Visual Studio
12:57	riel	ok, xen installs into %{buildroot}/usr/lib instead of %{buildroot}/usr/lib64
12:57	soffi	ok ok ok I'm going for more coffee
12:57		* riel is happily caffeine free
12:57	riel	more energy, less stress
13:00	jeroney	riel: ah..tools may build..but may not work yet (correctly) for x86-64...trying to boot xen linux to find out and fix (but can't do since no compile :-( )
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13:04	soffi	man I got the funniest e-mail from Ted off-list
13:05	soffi	bullshit_counter says 90%
13:05	soffi	and the 10% was the quoted text from me
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13:13	aliguori_	ugh
13:13	jeroney	gah
13:13	aliguori_	does oftc only has a single server?
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13:13	jonmason	everyone else get kicked off, or was it only us?
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13:14	hollis	jonmason: everyone from IBM Austin's proxy
13:14	jonmason	that'll teach us
13:16	hollis	an OFTC admin said they just raised the limit a minute ago, so hopefully that won't happen again
13:17		* knewt giggles at http://clevescene.com/issues/2005-03-30/news/feature_print.html
13:17	mikegrb	hollis: ;)
13:17	mikegrb	the session limit is global across all servers
13:17	rharper	heh
13:18	mikegrb	the new limit shouldn't be reached for quite some time, it is 15 times higher then it was ;)
13:18	hollis	mikegrb: ah ok
13:18	mikegrb	well, limit for pixpat.austin.ibm.com
13:19	hollis	mikegrb: there is a separate limit for pixpat?
13:19	jonmason	well, we have 25% of the channel
13:20	mikegrb	hollis: now there is
13:20	mikegrb	we set an exception for a few other sites as well
13:20	mikegrb	places with web irc access and what not
13:20	hollis	good to know
13:20	hollis	thanks
13:29		* knewt figures out after some initial confusion that the latest posting from Ted is a forward of the email he sent soffi off-list, cleverly designed to cause as much confusion as possible
13:30	soffi	hehehe
13:32	soffi	yeah.. "I'm an individual buying a huge server and 8x 200gig drives and a sat uplink, JUST for the community"
13:32	soffi	as if
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13:51	soffi	welll.. off to the capital
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14:46		* riel giggles at the domain registration info for help-for-you.com
14:48	aliguori_	riel: does jeremey's boot loader use kexec?
14:48	riel	aliguori: no
14:49	riel	jeremy's smarter than that ;)
14:49	aliguori_	whew
14:49	aliguori_	:-)
14:49	aliguori_	how does it work?
14:49	riel	it basically fetches the grub.conf from inside a xenU filesystem
14:50	aliguori_	does he read the partition via libex2fs or did he write his own e2fs reader?
14:50	riel	libext2fs
14:50	aliguori_	ah
14:50	aliguori_	i wrote my own :-)
14:50	riel	and from the grub.conf it figures out which kernel and initrd to load
14:50	riel	those are read in from the xenU filesystem
14:50	aliguori_	i noticed that grub's e2fs code is < 500 lines
14:50	aliguori_	yeah
14:50	aliguori_	i've got the same thing
14:50	riel	and passed to the domain builder
14:50	aliguori_	but Ian doesn't like that approach
14:51	riel	what does Ian want ?
14:51	aliguori_	you guys have the advantage of just being able to package it in Fedora though :-)
14:51	riel	(well, I guess we'll figure that out this week)
14:51	aliguori_	Ian wants to use kexec
14:51	riel	kexec?! why?
14:51	aliguori_	b/c he doesn't "trust" the libext2fs code to run in dom0
14:51	riel	what's the advantage of that?
14:51	riel	ahhh
14:51	aliguori_	this is why i wrote my own.. so it could be auditable.
14:52	aliguori_	he's got somewhat of a valid point. but i really don't like the idea of using kexec()
14:52	riel	I don't like it either, but I have to admit he's kind of right
14:52	riel	I guess a compromise would be the simple bootloader in Fedora now
14:52	riel	and replace it with the kexec one later, once somebody implements that
14:52	aliguori_	well, if you can audit the file system reading code...
14:53	aliguori_	one of the really cool things you can do if you keep the boot loader in dom0 is check a kernel signature
14:54	riel	oh dear, /usr/lib64 will be interesting ...
14:54	riel	xen-unstable]$ grep -rl /usr/lib . \| wc
14:54	riel	262 262 10043
14:54	riel	aliguori: good point, attestation is important too
14:55	aliguori_	i'm attempting to get a 64 bit system running as we speak
14:55	riel	I installed rawhide on a 64 bit system this morning ;)
14:56	riel	though I'm the first to admit it's mostly because I need to leave the Xen rpm in rawhide ALONE until after FC4 test2 is out the door ;)
14:57	riel	it's working, so I shouldn't prod it
14:58	aliguori_	yeah, i guess i'll give rawhide a spin on it.. waiting for a new static ip address and jeroney has got the cds right behind me :-)
14:59	riel	;)
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15:36	plars	Anyone ever had a problem where xend doesn't always add your main nic on dom0 to br0 when it starts?
15:36	plars	I have some scripts to try to bring everything up and run tests automagically, but noticed that my guests are coming up without networking
15:37	plars	brctl show only shows vif1.0
15:37	plars	eth1 isn't added to it
15:37	plars	but whenever I try to reproduce it manually, it seems to work ok
15:37	plars	I'm not doing anything strange with the scripts, just xend start from an init.d script
15:39	riel	plars: I've seen that
15:39	riel	but that was before I made the ipv6 fix to the script
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15:40	plars	riel: still doing it to me as of last night
15:40	riel	speaking of which - I wonder if there is a reserved range of MAC addresses somewhere, that we can use for Xen guests
15:40	riel	plars: sh -x is your friend
15:41	jonmason	riel: I believe MAC addresses are assigned to HW vendors
15:41	plars	riel: istr some discussion about the mac thing a while back
15:42	riel	jonmason: they are - but there's bound to be some "experimental" range that we could use safely
15:43	jonmason	Maybe we can steal some of IBMs addys (a I don't know how many NIc we make anymore)
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15:45	plars	I thought someone had said there was an unassigned range that could be used for such things
15:45	plars	don't remember
15:45		* plars has slept since then
15:45	hollis	:)
15:51	niv_	plars: there is no reserved MAC range, unfortunately
15:53	plars	one would have to wonder if things like ipv6 that are so mac dependent and virtualization will bring about some kind of dynamic mac assignment protocol
15:53	aliguori_	niv_: isn't there an unassigned range?
15:53	niv_	which is one advantage that routing has as opposed to bridging - we can randomly generate it using vids and it never leaves the host
15:53	plars	right
15:54	plars	need to figure out how to do the routing...maybe that would solve my problem
15:54	aliguori_	what's aa:00:00:??:??:??
15:54	aliguori_	that's what we use
15:55	niv_	http://www.iana.org/assignments/ethernet-numbers
15:55	plars	aha, I reproduced this problem manually now
15:55		* plars wonders if eth0 is hardcoded somewhere
15:55	aliguori_	so it's just unassigned right now
15:55	niv_	yep
15:55	niv_	may not remain that way
15:55	aliguori_	ahh
15:56	knewt	aa:00:00 == DEC
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15:56	hollis	knewt: is that list inaccurate then?
15:56	aliguori_	ohh, wait no, AA0000 is listed as DEC obsoltete
15:56	aliguori_	AA0000 DEC obsolete
15:56	aliguori_	AA0001 DEC obsolete
15:56	aliguori_	AA0002 DEC obsolete
15:57	knewt	i'm looking at the IEEE website
15:57	niv_	DEC == comcast == HP??
15:57	niv_	aagh s/comcast/compaq
15:57	aliguori_	this link from niv_ was updated 23 feb 2005
15:58	niv_	plars: you still need help on solving your problem?
15:58	plars	niv_: yeah, got any ideas?
15:58	niv_	sure
15:58	niv_	what was the problem?
15:59	niv_	i'm cleaning up the networkiing scripts as we speak..
15:59	plars	niv_: bring up xend, and no interface gets added to xen-br0
15:59	plars	I've edited /etc/xen/scripts/network to change eth0 to eth1
15:59	plars	(this is for a blade)
15:59	plars	used to work, then became inconsistent
15:59	niv_	there were several different problems that i ran into
16:00	niv_	firstly, which version are you running?
16:00	plars	unstable
16:00	plars	nightly tarball
16:00	knewt	ouch, 550USD for an IAB, 1650USD for an OUI
16:01	niv_	doesn't count - the install doesn't overwrite your old setup scripts
16:01	niv_	there was a missing up cmd
16:01	niv_	at the end of the script
16:01	plars	which script?
16:01	plars	actually it seems to overwrite mine
16:02	plars	I had to modify my scripts to patch in the change after each install
16:02	plars	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5061 Apr 4 03:31 /etc/xen/scripts/network
16:02	plars	has a new creation date
16:03	niv_	can you send me your xend-config.sxp, as well as your network and vif-bridge?
16:07	plars	niv_: on the way
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16:55	anthill333	Hi, I'm having trouble restarting xend. It has been mentioned on xen-devel http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2005-03/msg01198.html and also http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.xen.devel/8477 but I don't think the issue was ever resolved. The problem is that xend won't restart. It writes that it started to the log, but starting it with xend start_trace reveals that it actually fails with PortError: Failed to map doma
17:09	caker	anthill333: yeah -- no response on my post from Saturday yet
17:09	niv_	anthill333: was not that resolved?
17:11	anthill333	niv: I don't know - if so, what was the solution? Ian's suggestion to kill xcs wasn't applicable...
17:13	niv_	anthill333: maybe I'm thinking of a previous issue then. By any chance are you running unstable?
17:13	anthill333	niv: no, 2.0.5, and -testing
17:14	niv_	Ah, I was going to recommend you try Anthony Ligouri's c based tools
17:14	niv_	easier to debug for some of us
17:15	niv_	anthill333: if this is still an issue thursday, i can look into it for you, if noone else has..
17:15	niv_	sorry can't do it earlier
17:23	anthill333	niv: thanks!
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17:48	aliguori	anthill333: what error do you get when you restart xend?
17:48	aliguori	do you just get an error when connecting with xm?
17:49	aliguori	rm -rf /var/lib/xen/*
17:49	aliguori	if so
17:49	aliguori	that usually fixes that
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17:49	aliguori	(and restart everything)
17:49	aliguori	xend stores it's state between restarts and it's prone to corrupting itself. when that happens, it refuses to restart
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18:18	surriel	mmm, I should pack my stuff for the summit
18:26	Robot101	surriel: hmm, is the summit invite only?
18:26	surriel	yes, and expensive too ;)
18:26	Robot101	you're invited and have to pay? :)
18:26	Robot101	harsh
18:27	knewt	heh. i can't even afford the plane fare over, let alone the summit cost.
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18:27	surriel	well, organising something is quite a bit of work, and xensource is a small company, so I can't blame them for trying to make some money on it
18:27		* Robot101 is at cambridge :)
18:31	Robot101	how annoying, I was hoping it'd be at the computer lab and I could sit in on some of it
18:31	Robot101	oh well... I hope lwn are reporting :)
18:46	rusty	surriel: Was in Europe last week, am not going 8). Keep them sane.
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19:06	surriel	rusty: hehe
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19:12	drbyte	i just tried to create a xen domain using fedora rawhide, and i got: Error creating domain: (12, 'Cannot allocate memory') - any idea whats gone wrong?
19:16	anthill333	aliguori: thanks, I'll try that! (I had to reboot, so I'll try it when xend behaves strangely next time)
19:22	surriel	drbyte: the new xen allocates all memory to domain 0
19:22	drbyte	surriel: yeah, i have to use a balloon right
19:22	surriel	drbyte: you want to balloon domain 0 down, so you have enough space for the guests
19:23	drbyte	surriel: except my typo went "xen balloon 0 8" and that pretty much hard locked my system
19:23	surriel	hah
19:23	surriel	oops
19:29	drbyte	hmm, now it asks me to enter a runlevel; either runlevel 3 or 5 seem to just get INIT to say that there are no more processes left in the runlevel
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19:31	drbyte	thats because i seem to lack an /etc/inittab
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19:41	surriel	yeah, you want one of those
19:42	drbyte	any good examples of an /etc/inittab? cp'ing the one from my system didn't do it any good
19:46	caker	drbyte: which distro?
19:47	drbyte	caker: fedora core 4 test2 (almost) (rawhide latest)
19:48	caker	drbyte: well, here's an FC2 inittab to start from: http://www.theshore.net/~caker/xen/FC2-inittab
19:49	drbyte	thanks
19:59	surriel	when in doubt, disable selinux ;)
19:59	surriel	setting up selinux inside a chroot (when installing a guest) doesn't seem to work right for some reason
20:00	Robot101	can only backends access specified PCI devices? or can I have dom0 doing my networking/disk and run an X server in dom1?
20:01	Robot101	(and hence run plain debian sid in dom0 and ubuntu in dom1 :)
20:01	Robot101	(bwahaha etc)
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20:13	surriel	Robot101: if you don't need AGP, you can designate a PCI device ;)
20:13	surriel	can't do AGP though, due to memory remapping
20:13	surriel	in the GART
20:13	Robot101	d'oh
20:14	Robot101	never understood what a gart does...
20:15	surriel	a gart is like a baby iommu ;)
20:16	Robot101	rewrites the addresses of the AGP card to wherever the host wants?
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20:23	surriel	yeah
20:23	surriel	so the video card sees a virtually contiguous address space
20:24	Robot101	ah I see, the CPU can program the GART to map arbitrary RAM the video card's address space
20:25	surriel	nod
20:26	Robot101	does the card also have real hardware addresses that don't correspond to RAM?
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20:32	surriel	dunno
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21:51	drbyte	err, how do i disable selinux actually? my system has selinux disabled, but for some reason it enables it when creating the guest?
21:51	surriel	boot with selinux=0
21:52	drbyte	oh, for FC4_xen0 itself in grub.conf. oops. i thought disabling it would do enough
21:58	drbyte	hmm, i booted with selinux=0, my /etc/sysconfig/selinux says selinux is disabled, yet when i do "xm create -c rawhide-latest" i see selinux messages being spewed across my screen
22:08	drbyte	so selinux for some reason refuses to be disabled ? is there any way i can pass it in /etc/xen/rawhide-latest ?
22:09	surriel	yes, put it in the extras kernel command line arguments
22:13	drbyte	hmm, my rawhide-latest file looks exactly like the one from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstart. where exactly do i place it? are there more docs for what goes into the file?
22:14	surriel	did you read /etc/xen/xmdefconfig ?
22:15	drbyte	heh, we don't provide that. xmexample1, xmexample2 seem to be it
22:16	surriel	right, so read thos
22:16	surriel	e
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