| --- | Log | opened Wed Mar 30 00:00:17 2005 |
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| 06:45 | mael | hi |
| 06:48 | mael | I had a hard time trying to find this chan |
| 06:48 | mael | as I went there trhu freenode the first time and now it's closed |
| 06:49 | mael | maybe it would be nice if the informations about this chan were published somewhere (in xen's FAQ?) |
| 07:15 | mael | Tv: hehe my colleague (tamtam) is talking with you on another chan :) |
| 07:29 | surriel | I guess I could add a pointer to this channel on the Xen wiki |
| 07:41 | mael | you mean the one on terrabox? |
| 07:42 | surriel | no, I mean http://wiki.xensource.com/ |
| 07:42 | muli_ | please do |
| 07:42 | surriel | I will, once I get to the office |
| 07:42 | surriel | my browser there remembers the password ;) |
| 07:42 | surriel | (and I don't, this early in the morning) |
| 07:43 | mael | :) |
| 07:48 | mael | mmmh btw there's no link to the wiki from xensource nor from the cl.cam.ac.uk site |
| 07:52 | mael | is there anything on the wiki surriel ? |
| 07:52 | mael | I'm stuck with french and when I want to search the site I'm redirected to 192.168.0.34 |
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| 08:53 | Tv | mael: This is an unofficial channel, I guess. None of the original xen authors are ever here, I think. |
| 08:54 | mael | yeah true |
| 08:54 | mael | but it is an efficient addition to xen user list I think |
| 08:54 | mael | Tv: so did you decided a name with tamtam? :) |
| 08:55 | surriel | Tv: they might show up once they learn of the existance of this channel ;) |
| 08:56 | Tv | mael: yes, dhiccup |
| 08:56 | Tv | surriel: I sort of get the feel they are too scientisty to IRC :) |
| 08:57 | mael | hehe fun |
| 08:57 | mael | Tv: it was pretty strange to hear about you the way I did |
| 08:57 | mael | irc is a small world finally :) |
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| 09:49 | @riel | Tv: I've met them in person, they're geeky just like us ;) |
| 09:50 | mael | :) |
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| 09:52 | @riel | mmm ok, so the front page can't be edited |
| 09:53 | mael | locked I guess |
| 09:53 | mael | is there any content on the wiki? |
| 09:54 | mael | I was not able to do a search on it and I stuck to french because this is my prefered langage choice |
| 09:54 | | * riel edits http://trac.xensource.com/xenwiki/DeveloperDiscussion instead |
| 09:54 | @riel | mael: you can configure your language choice |
| 09:54 | @riel | and yes, there is content |
| 09:55 | @riel | go to FrontPage, then select "Show Local Site Map" from the "More Actions" dropdown |
| 09:56 | mael | then? |
| 09:56 | @riel | then you get a list of all the pages |
| 09:56 | mael | I only have french pages there |
| 09:56 | mael | :\ |
| 09:56 | @riel | then you should configure your account to see the english language pages |
| 09:57 | @riel | did you create an account ? |
| 09:57 | mael | nope |
| 09:57 | mael | but I can :) |
| 09:57 | @riel | after that you can simply set the preferred language to english |
| 09:57 | @riel | and you'll get all the english language pages |
| 10:09 | mael | riel: thx it worked |
| 10:10 | @riel | np |
| 10:11 | mael | btw it could be nice to fix this i18n problem |
| 10:11 | mael | and at least modify the frontPages (the one you can't modify :)) |
| 10:11 | @riel | *nod* ;) |
| 10:11 | mael | I think I should send a mail on the ML |
| 10:13 | @riel | sounds like a good idea |
| 10:26 | mael | done |
| 10:28 | mael | I just hope the mail is written in something close enough to english so it'll be clear |
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| 11:09 | @riel | there, a little bit closer to having the xen kernels compile again in rawhide |
| 11:10 | | * riel just fixed up page table handling, pci stuff and /dev/mem handling |
| 11:10 | @riel | and the execshield bits may still work |
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| 14:08 | cw | i should execshield was working with Xen as-is? |
| 14:08 | cw | i don't see any reason why it shouldn't |
| 14:10 | @riel | the upstream kernel doesn't have segment based execshield, I think |
| 14:10 | @riel | and Xen doesn't have PAE |
| 14:10 | @riel | but with the patches in the Fedora RPM, execshield works |
| 14:10 | cw | ok, i think im confusing things here |
| 14:10 | cw | what is arjan's thing called? |
| 14:10 | cw | the randomization thing |
| 14:11 | @riel | address space randomisation |
| 14:11 | @riel | also, I think the upstream kernel has NX based execshield |
| 14:11 | @riel | but that only works in PAE mode |
| 14:12 | cw | ok, im getting my nouns confused ... ignore me :) |
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| 15:29 | buggs | hoi |
| 15:30 | buggs | riel, what is your involvement in xen ? |
| 15:30 | matta | buggs: he is the fedora/rawhide maintainer of it |
| 15:30 | matta | and holds redhat's interest in it at heart |
| 15:30 | buggs | ah |
| 15:35 | @riel | I'm working on two main areas: |
| 15:36 | @riel | 1) make sure Xen gets integrated into Fedora - ie. it should work out of the box, without the user having to do anything special |
| 15:36 | @riel | 2) test the latest features in Xen, and fix any bugs I run into |
| 15:36 | @riel | the idea is to work together with upstream development (ie. the xen-devel mailing list) as closely as possible |
| 15:37 | @riel | part of (2) is making it easier for users to try out Xen |
| 15:37 | @riel | after all, the more users there are, the faster we'll find bugs ;) |
| 15:37 | buggs | they made it your number one job ? |
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| 15:37 | @riel | buggs: yes |
| 15:38 | @riel | though it's unfair to blame "they" - I was involved with it too ;)) |
| 15:38 | buggs | have you had contact to matt dill on lately ? |
| 15:38 | buggs | hehe |
| 15:38 | buggs | *dillon |
| 15:39 | @riel | not in the last year |
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| 15:49 | mikegrb | riel: <3 |
| 15:51 | @riel | looks like the port from 2.6.11 to 2.6.12-rc1 is almost done |
| 15:51 | @riel | that was a LOT of work ... |
| 15:51 | @riel | well - vmlinuz compiles |
| 15:51 | @riel | it might still blow up in the modules |
| 15:51 | mikegrb | riel doesn't love me :< |
| 15:52 | @riel | I'm doing whatever I can to get kernel-xen[0U] back into rawhide this week |
| 15:52 | @riel | if only because FC4 test 2 freezes next week ;) |
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| 16:33 | | * riel wonders if he should put a reference to this #xen in his email signature |
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| 16:47 | aliguori | so what makes oftc better than freenode? i thought the whole point of freenode was to provide an irc network for open source projects |
| 16:48 | aliguori | i think a lot of people just used to freenode.. not that it's better. |
| 16:49 | schweeb | I think there were some differences in opinion... some people didn't like some of the political aspects of freenode or something and split off |
| 16:49 | aliguori | ahh |
| 16:49 | aliguori | so oftc is freenode with less politics? that's nice |
| 16:50 | @riel | I moved my server to OFTC a few years ago |
| 16:50 | aliguori | :-) freenode does do a lot of strange motds and broadcasts |
| 16:50 | knewt | i'm already on rhizo, freenode and efnet, so oftc is just another for me |
| 16:50 | aliguori | gees, i didn't realize oftc was that old |
| 16:50 | schweeb | yea, I think a lot of people had probs with lilo |
| 16:50 | schweeb | and other stuff |
| 16:51 | @riel | around the time when lilo was arguing that we should all pay him, because he removed the oper rights from the volunteers who used to run the network |
| 16:51 | @riel | I think that was in the (northern) summer of 2002 |
| 16:52 | aliguori | interesting. had no idea |
| 16:53 | jeroney | ok lets get some conversation...so it looks like in xen/include/xen/mm.h page_scrub_lock is declared as an extern, then in xen/common/page_alloc it declared static...gcc 3.4 has no problem with this...gcc 4 does (and it should)..anyone see any reason why this should be static and declared in the beginning of the file..I don't see one!? |
| 16:53 | aliguori | xen has killed my irc habits.. i end up rebooting my systems to frequently. |
| 16:53 | aliguori | jeroney: is this in unstable? |
| 16:53 | jeroney | aliguori: yeah |
| 16:54 | @riel | jeroney: if it isn't called from any other file, I think it should become static |
| 16:54 | @riel | if it is called from other files, we should remove the static |
| 16:54 | @riel | cleanup patches like that are useful |
| 16:54 | | * knewt found one very useful side effect of xen a little while back. the ability to trigger a reboot over the serial console even when dom0 has completely died on you :) |
| 16:54 | jeroney | what about the extren decleartion in mm.h ...one or the other has to go |
| 16:55 | jeroney | riel: let me look quick like |
| 16:55 | @riel | if the function is not called from any other file, the extern declaration can disappear from mm.h |
| 16:55 | aliguori | jeroney: looks like it's a little more complicated than you describe |
| 16:56 | aliguori | page_scrub_lock is a spinlock for page_scrub_list |
| 16:56 | aliguori | both are declared as extern in mm.h |
| 16:56 | aliguori | page_alloc.c and domain.c both use page_scrub_list |
| 16:57 | aliguori | domain.c doesn't actually modify the list so i'm guessing it's safe to not hold that lock |
| 16:57 | jeroney | yeap I see that now |
| 16:57 | aliguori | i'd say that lock shouldn't be static just instead of removing the extern declaration |
| 16:57 | aliguori | b/c if someone else uses page_scrub_list, they should have access to the lock in case they modify it |
| 16:58 | aliguori | my guess is it was originally static and someone needed to access it so they removed the static keyword and forgot to remove static from page_scrub_lock |
| 16:58 | jeroney | that could be and gcc 3 never complained |
| 16:59 | aliguori | let me pull up an annotated version and see how it happened |
| 17:01 | aliguori | hmm, keir just added this on the 22nd |
| 17:01 | aliguori | i'd ask him |
| 17:01 | jeroney | of this month |
| 17:01 | aliguori | yup |
| 17:01 | @riel | aliguori: even if you don't modify the list, you still need to hold the lock when you read the list |
| 17:01 | @riel | otherwise somebody could destroy the list item you're looking at, and your pointer would point to lala-land |
| 17:02 | aliguori | eh, it depends.. i don't know the code well enough |
| 17:02 | aliguori | it's possible there's no way the list could be modified.. i think page scrubbing happens at well defined time periods |
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| 17:08 | aliguori | so that's a check to see if the page scrubbing list is empty or not. if it's empty, we return ENOMEM durnig domain creation. if it's not, we return EAGAIN (which means we have to wait until the page scrubber is scheduled) |
| 17:09 | aliguori | i think the worst case that could happen is that we return EAGAIN at the exact wrong moment when there is really a free page. that seems harmless |
| 17:09 | @riel | oh, it may not be buggy in this case, but defensive programming never hurts |
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| 17:10 | aliguori | i agree |
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| 17:12 | aliguori | jeroney: have you gotten xen to boot into multiuser mode on x86_64 yet? |
| 17:15 | jeroney | aliguori: sadly no..havn't gotten any updated patches either ... let me make contact today and see if I can get the hook up |
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| 18:55 | Mark | Hey ho |
| 18:55 | Mark | Anyone about? |
| 18:55 | knewt | 'lo |
| 18:56 | Mark | ah hello |
| 18:56 | Mark | just saw your mail about this new fangled IRC business ;-) so i thought it check it out |
| 18:56 | riel | hi Mark, good to see you online |
| 18:57 | riel | looks like I have xen compiling again in rawhide |
| 18:57 | riel | the xen kernel, that is - the hypervisor was easy ;) |
| 18:57 | knewt | i must have been on another channel on oftc at some point for a while, as i had already registered my nick in the past :) |
| 18:57 | Mark | Hi Rik |
| 18:58 | rharper | hey Mark, glad you could make it |
| 18:59 | Mark | knewt: scary when one happens across evidence of having done things you can't remember - i do it all the time! |
| 18:59 | Mark | rharper: you're Ryan, right? |
| 19:01 | rharper | yeah |
| 19:01 | Mark | nice to meet you |
| 19:01 | rharper | nice to meet you as well |
| 19:01 | Mark | although i guess i might have seen you in Cambridge...? |
| 19:02 | rharper | heh, no I havent made it out there yet |
| 19:02 | riel | will you be there next week ? |
| 19:02 | rharper | riel: nope |
| 19:02 | riel | ;( |
| 19:02 | riel | how about OLS ? |
| 19:02 | rharper | riel: no invite for me =( |
| 19:03 | riel | OLS isn't an invitation-only event |
| 19:03 | rharper | riel: I hope so. We have a proposal accepted. working on that |
| 19:03 | knewt | unfortunately i can't make it to the Xen Summit :( |
| 19:03 | riel | I'm looking forward to drinking a pint with you guys in Ottawa |
| 19:04 | | * rharper is all for drinking pints |
| 19:04 | riel | US pints are kind of sucky, though ;) |
| 19:05 | rharper | so I've heard |
| 19:07 | riel | 470 or so ml |
| 19:08 | riel | compared to 560 or so ml for UK pints |
| 19:08 | knewt | which is disappointing. but things requiring money are off the agenda until i manage to get a job |
| 19:08 | riel | knewt: can't blame you |
| 19:10 | knewt | and when you're talking a good 140 pounds just on travel costs to get over to the uk and back... |
| 19:14 | riel | that's a cheap ticket |
| 19:14 | riel | it's around $500 from Boston to London and back |
| 19:14 | knewt | ryanair |
| 19:14 | knewt | this is from germany |
| 19:14 | riel | ahh ok |
| 19:14 | knewt | i'd love to be back in the uk |
| 19:15 | knewt | interviewed for a job in oxford a couple of weeks back, but not heard yet |
| 19:23 | riel | yay, the xen0 kernel + all modules finished compiling |
| 19:35 | Mark | riel: with gcc4? |
| 19:35 | riel | yes |
| 19:41 | riel | gcc4 so far seems to be picky, not buggy |
| 19:41 | riel | though optimisation differences are triggering some xen bugs that gcc-3.4 happens to skip over |
| 19:41 | Mark | sounds promising. does the resulting kernel behave correctly yet? |
| 19:41 | riel | it seems to work here |
| 19:42 | riel | it's frequently recompiling itself, on an SMP domain 0 |
| 19:42 | Mark | nice! |
| 19:43 | riel | call me reckless, but I see nothing wrong in following xen-unstable, with gcc-4 and SMP guests ;) |
| 19:45 | riel | oh, and closely following the 2.6 upstream kernel |
| 19:53 | Mark | you like to live on the edge :-) |
| 19:54 | riel | well, if something breaks I'll just fix it |
| 19:54 | riel | somebody needs to clear the path ;) |
| 19:59 | Mark | indeed |
| 20:00 | Mark | when is FC4 intended for release? |
| 20:00 | riel | besides, rawhide seems to work fairly well despite the "follow the newest version everywhere" strategy ;) |
| 20:00 | riel | may or june |
| 20:01 | Mark | what xen are you intending to release with? still unstable? |
| 20:01 | riel | if 3.0 isn't out yet, I won't have much choice ;) |
| 20:01 | riel | chances are I'll keep updating xen in FC4 until 3.0 is out |
| 20:02 | riel | then I'll follow 3.0 updates in FC4, while tracking -unstable again for FC5 |
| 20:02 | Mark | true :-) there might be a 2.1 somewhere along the way |
| 20:02 | Mark | but i think we're still waiting for the platform init code to arrive for that... |
| 20:02 | riel | yeah, but 2.1 doesn't have SMP, x86-64 or VT |
| 20:02 | Mark | no, *must have acronyms* :-) |
| 20:04 | riel | it would be nice to have a Linux distro support VT, just before the hardware hits the market |
| 20:04 | riel | I want Linux to be first with this ;) |
| 20:07 | Mark | yup, that'd be well cool. it'll defy the hardware support argument. |
| 20:08 | Mark | used to have hardware support issues, now it supports hardware before you can buy it :-) much better |
| 20:09 | rharper | heh |
| 20:16 | riel | "if you want to use that, you'll want Xen" |
| 20:17 | jeroney | hey that whould be a good line for Xen |
| 20:21 | | * riel wonders if "extreme compile waiting" counts as an extreme sport |
| 20:22 | | * rharper broke down and set up distcc pools for the two kernel compiles |
| 20:22 | jeroney | rharper: that super machine under your desk wasn't enough |
| 20:23 | rharper | heh, well, I didnt have that until a few days ago |
| 20:23 | rharper | it helps the pool out nicely though |
| 20:23 | rharper | have it running distcc in a 32-bit chroot |
| 20:23 | jeroney | hehe |
| 20:23 | rharper | accepting up to 32 cons since its rather beefy |
| 20:24 | rharper | mmm, full xen builds (minus docs) in 3m39s |
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| 20:54 | | * Mark yawns |
| 20:54 | Mark | gnite all |
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| 21:10 | riel | ok, it's assembling the RPMs ;) |
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