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| 10:49 | <jdike:#uml> | Hi guys |
| 10:50 | <caker:#uml> | elo |
| 10:50 | <low:#uml> | 'lo jdike , caker |
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| 12:28 | <jdike:#uml> | A couple more patches off to akpm |
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| 14:26 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: Hi. |
| 14:26 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: Do you have time to debug? I resumed after yesterdays' suspend and I have got one nicely frozen UML here right now to be debugged. |
| 14:27 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: One thing. I realizes that it has something to do with time. Because I tried to suspend/resume to disk for a short time yesterday (the same UML instance) and it was OK. So it seems it freezes only after some longer, perhaps specific, time. |
| 14:28 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I can be there about 1.5 hours today, then I need to leave. |
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| 14:40 | <jdike:#uml> | actually, I reproduced it here |
| 14:41 | <jdike:#uml> | it depends on the host kernel |
| 14:41 | <jdike:#uml> | the current Fedora kernel does it |
| 14:41 | <jdike:#uml> | stock 2.6.25 doesn't |
| 14:44 | <jdike:#uml> | whoops, wrong bug |
| 14:45 | <jdike:#uml> | is the hung UML consuming CPU? |
| 14:45 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: give me a minute, please... |
| 14:48 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I am back here and concentrated on the topic. |
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| 14:48 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: the answer to your question is: NO, it is not consuming CPU |
| 14:49 | <jdike:#uml> | can you attach gdb to it and see the backtrace? |
| 14:49 | <mjf:#uml> | yes, I can |
| 14:52 | <jdike:#uml> | what is it? |
| 14:52 | <mjf:#uml> | http://rafb.net/p/hpe06i60.html |
| 14:53 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I try to works as fast as possible, but I work without mouse and the stupid firefox sucks when you use just a keyboard ;) |
| 14:54 | <jdike:#uml> | OK |
| 14:54 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: some shell tool to paste to rafb.net would be nice :) |
| 14:55 | <mjf:#uml> | #9 looks strange to me... |
| 14:55 | <mjf:#uml> | somehow scary |
| 14:55 | <jdike:#uml> | that's not a problem |
| 14:55 | <mjf:#uml> | what does it mean? |
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| 14:59 | <jdike:#uml> | it just means UML constructs its kernel stacks in a way that bothers gdb |
| 15:00 | <jdike:#uml> | BTW, wget is willing to to submit forms |
| 15:01 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: good idea with the wget, I will check man pages asap |
| 15:02 | * | caker:#uml debugs jdike |
| 15:02 | <jdike:#uml> | 40 |
| 15:02 | <jdike:#uml> | oops |
| 15:03 | <jdike:#uml> | OK, ping doesn't work, right? |
| 15:04 | <mjf:#uml> | occasionaly this one was not with eth :( |
| 15:04 | <mjf:#uml> | s/occasionally/accidentaly/ |
| 15:04 | <mjf:#uml> | so no, no networking inside |
| 15:05 | <jdike:#uml> | mconsole version works? |
| 15:05 | <mjf:#uml> | sorry for that, I was tired and created new image yesterday for testing and forgot to setup networking on it. |
| 15:05 | <mjf:#uml> | will check |
| 15:06 | <mjf:#uml> | uml_mconsole uml-rt1 |
| 15:06 | <mjf:#uml> | starts |
| 15:06 | <mjf:#uml> | after return pressed |
| 15:06 | <mjf:#uml> | hangs |
| 15:06 | <mjf:#uml> | no prompt occured again |
| 15:06 | <mjf:#uml> | clear? |
| 15:06 | <jdike:#uml> | OK, that means it's not listening to mconsole either |
| 15:07 | <mjf:#uml> | yes, just the socket exists |
| 15:07 | <jdike:#uml> | strace it and do an mconsole version again |
| 15:07 | <mjf:#uml> | strace uml_mconsole uml-rt1 ? |
| 15:07 | <jdike:#uml> | no, UML |
| 15:08 | <mjf:#uml> | so, might I connect to running UML pid with strace and then run uml_mconsole again? |
| 15:08 | <jdike:#uml> | yup |
| 15:08 | <mjf:#uml> | may I have gdb still running while doing this? |
| 15:08 | <jdike:#uml> | no |
| 15:08 | <jdike:#uml> | detach it |
| 15:08 | <mjf:#uml> | quit |
| 15:09 | <mjf:#uml> | or is there some special detach in gdb? |
| 15:09 | * | mjf:#uml is lame debugger ;) |
| 15:10 | <mjf:#uml> | sorry for all the stupid questions, I am doing these things for the second time in my life... |
| 15:10 | <jdike:#uml> | there is detach, but quit will work too |
| 15:10 | <mjf:#uml> | ok |
| 15:12 | <mjf:#uml> | under the strace of vmlinux uml_mconsole printed on return-press this: ERR Unknown command and prompt works |
| 15:12 | <mjf:#uml> | strace produces huge output... |
| 15:12 | <jdike:#uml> | rafb |
| 15:13 | <mjf:#uml> | also the first one, hanging, uml_mconsole started to respond |
| 15:13 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: uff... |
| 15:14 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: all? ;) |
| 15:14 | <jdike:#uml> | sure |
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| 15:16 | <josefig:#uml> | great :) |
| 15:18 | <mjf:#uml> | http://rafb.net/p/HW61Mx50.html |
| 15:18 | <mjf:#uml> | enjoy ;) |
| 15:18 | <josefig:#uml> | uh? i guessed it was a Unified Modeling Language channel :s |
| 15:18 | <josefig:#uml> | not a User Mode Linux :o |
| 15:19 | <mjf:#uml> | josefig: hehe |
| 15:19 | <mjf:#uml> | josefig: :) |
| 15:19 | <josefig:#uml> | mjf, hi |
| 15:19 | <mjf:#uml> | josefig: hi |
| 15:20 | <josefig:#uml> | what do you do here? |
| 15:20 | <josefig:#uml> | programming? :D |
| 15:20 | <mjf:#uml> | josefig: debugging |
| 15:20 | <josefig:#uml> | oh, that's greater! :> |
| 15:21 | <josefig:#uml> | i'm a java j2se and php5 programmer |
| 15:21 | <josefig:#uml> | if I can help with something I'd be devoted on help :) |
| 15:21 | <mjf:#uml> | josefig: I guess j2se and php5 is OT here |
| 15:21 | <mjf:#uml> | josefig: ;) |
| 15:21 | <josefig:#uml> | OT ? |
| 15:22 | <mjf:#uml> | josefig: Off-Topic |
| 15:22 | <josefig:#uml> | uhm, some C/C++ |
| 15:22 | <josefig:#uml> | :p |
| 15:22 | <josefig:#uml> | the thing is that i have some time at nights |
| 15:22 | <josefig:#uml> | maybe i can learn about you |
| 15:22 | <jdike:#uml> | what does mconsole do now? |
| 15:23 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: it is responding |
| 15:23 | <jdike:#uml> | mconsole version works? |
| 15:23 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I can type help and perhaps all the commands |
| 15:23 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: version? attaching? |
| 15:23 | <jdike:#uml> | ? |
| 15:23 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: version means something like --version to me ;) |
| 15:23 | <jdike:#uml> | no |
| 15:24 | <jdike:#uml> | version at the mconsole propr |
| 15:24 | <jdike:#uml> | prompt |
| 15:24 | <mjf:#uml> | the command prompt is responding now |
| 15:24 | <jdike:#uml> | does it tell you the UML version? |
| 15:24 | <mjf:#uml> | also everything I typed into the login screens occured in the uml |
| 15:25 | <mjf:#uml> | (uml-rt1) version |
| 15:25 | <mjf:#uml> | OK Linux vger.mjf.cz 2.6.25.6 #1 Tue Jun 10 21:15:09 CEST 2008 i686 |
| 15:25 | <mjf:#uml> | the uml is alive after the strace |
| 15:25 | <josefig:#uml> | :O |
| 15:25 | <jdike:#uml> | totally working? |
| 15:25 | <mjf:#uml> | the strace repaired it :( |
| 15:25 | <mjf:#uml> | yes |
| 15:25 | <mjf:#uml> | :((( |
| 15:25 | <mjf:#uml> | shit |
| 15:25 | <jdike:#uml> | hmm |
| 15:26 | <mjf:#uml> | I wonder how much time in suspend it need to freeze :( |
| 15:26 | <mjf:#uml> | minute, hour? |
| 15:26 | <mjf:#uml> | :( |
| 15:26 | <mjf:#uml> | O |
| 15:26 | <mjf:#uml> | We will definitely need to have more than one frozen UML a time ;) |
| 15:27 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: What now? |
| 15:27 | <jdike:#uml> | dunno |
| 15:27 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I do not have more frozen UMLs. We can continue the yesterdays freeze that is reproducable... |
| 15:28 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: instead this one. |
| 15:28 | <jdike:#uml> | you don't have any broken UMLs right now? |
| 15:28 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I had just this one. :((( |
| 15:28 | <jdike:#uml> | I reproduced that one |
| 15:28 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: aha? was caused it? |
| 15:28 | <jdike:#uml> | somehow, it depends on the host kernel |
| 15:28 | <jdike:#uml> | don't know |
| 15:28 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: shall I recompile my host kernel with debug information in it? |
| 15:29 | <jdike:#uml> | don't think that will help |
| 15:29 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: hm |
| 15:29 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: suspending is black magic |
| 15:29 | <jdike:#uml> | we can have you suspend another UML |
| 15:29 | <jdike:#uml> | and be very careful about seeing what wakes it up |
| 15:30 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: no problem, if only I knew how much time it needs to froze. :( |
| 15:30 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I will try to have 2 more UMLs to be frozen and tomorrow we will see... |
| 15:31 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: will you be there tomorrow? |
| 15:31 | <jdike:#uml> | yup |
| 15:31 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: the same time, I suppose, perhaps a little later... |
| 15:32 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: OK, if I am not here tomorrow, I will be there on sunday afternoon CEST |
| 15:32 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: what's your time? |
| 15:32 | <jdike:#uml> | I tend to be here weekdays |
| 15:32 | <jdike:#uml> | US/Eastern |
| 15:32 | <mjf:#uml> | ok |
| 15:33 | <mjf:#uml> | How will you debug the yesterdays freeze? |
| 15:33 | <mjf:#uml> | The reproducable one... |
| 15:33 | <mjf:#uml> | Is there a way to debug running host kernel? |
| 15:34 | <jdike:#uml> | it's not easy |
| 15:34 | <mjf:#uml> | Perhaps you could run UML inside UML and try whether it will freeze as well. Then you will be able to debug the "host" kernel easily. |
| 15:34 | <jdike:#uml> | I'm considering bistecting it |
| 15:34 | <jdike:#uml> | heh |
| 15:34 | <jdike:#uml> | yeah |
| 15:34 | <mjf:#uml> | But there is no reason to say it will also happen in such circumstances ;) |
| 15:34 | <mjf:#uml> | What does "bistecting" mean? |
| 15:35 | <mjf:#uml> | Oh, you mean, git bisect? |
| 15:35 | <jdike:#uml> | yeah |
| 15:35 | <mjf:#uml> | I never used it. |
| 15:35 | <jdike:#uml> | very handy |
| 15:35 | <mjf:#uml> | It is usually used to search for regressions? |
| 15:35 | <jdike:#uml> | particularly for UML since turnaround time is so short |
| 15:35 | <jdike:#uml> | usually, yes |
| 15:35 | <mjf:#uml> | The sad fact is I do not understand what is "regression" :( |
| 15:35 | <jdike:#uml> | yesterday it worked |
| 15:35 | <jdike:#uml> | today it doesn't |
| 15:36 | <jdike:#uml> | that's a regression |
| 15:36 | <mjf:#uml> | e? |
| 15:36 | <mjf:#uml> | So, when I am writiing a program having some feature in it that works and I add new things and the one recently working feature stops working ... is that a regression? |
| 15:37 | <jdike:#uml> | yup |
| 15:37 | <mjf:#uml> | So, regression means: somebody put something weird in the program that causes that some working stuff stopped working |
| 15:37 | <mjf:#uml> | correct? |
| 15:37 | <mjf:#uml> | Great. |
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| 15:37 | <jdike:#uml> | if yesterday, it didn't work, and today it does, that might be called a progression |
| 15:38 | <jdike:#uml> | but no one says that, it's just a bug fix |
| 15:38 | <mjf:#uml> | aha! |
| 15:38 | <mjf:#uml> | now it's clear |
| 15:38 | <mjf:#uml> | perfect explanation |
| 15:38 | <mjf:#uml> | never heard better |
| 15:38 | <mjf:#uml> | I read a lot of definitions of "regression" and all were totally cryptic to me! |
| 15:39 | <mjf:#uml> | I think kernel newbies need webpages with such polite definitions to be able to understand things just with their common sense. |
| 15:39 | <mjf:#uml> | There are no such pages. |
| 15:39 | <mjf:#uml> | :( |
| 15:39 | <jdike:#uml> | English can make sense sometimes |
| 15:39 | <mjf:#uml> | Even kernelnewbies can be very cryptic for newbies |
| 15:40 | <jdike:#uml> | you just need to know which language the word in question came from, and then use the rules of that language |
| 15:40 | <mjf:#uml> | it's not so easy for non-native speaker |
| 15:40 | <jdike:#uml> | no |
| 15:40 | <mjf:#uml> | me personally speak very bad english as you can see |
| 15:40 | <jdike:#uml> | not bad actually |
| 15:41 | <jdike:#uml> | just the odd word choice here and there |
| 15:41 | <mjf:#uml> | oh, thanks |
| 15:41 | <mjf:#uml> | haha |
| 15:41 | <mjf:#uml> | I just write as my brain wants, because I am tired. |
| 15:41 | <mjf:#uml> | I can think more precisely in English, but my brain avoids it in the evening. |
| 15:41 | <mjf:#uml> | :-D |
| 15:41 | <mjf:#uml> | OK. |
| 15:42 | <mjf:#uml> | I go not and setup some UMLs to be frozen until tomorrow evening. :-D |
| 15:42 | <mjf:#uml> | s/not/now/ |
| 15:42 | <caker:#uml> | !setup |
| 15:42 | <linbot:#uml> | setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/ |
| 15:43 | <mjf:#uml> | set up |
| 15:43 | <mjf:#uml> | ? |
| 15:43 | <caker:#uml> | yup. |
| 15:44 | <mjf:#uml> | To say "I go now to set up some UMLs to be frozen until tomorrow evening." must sound quite impolite here. :-D |
| 15:44 | <mjf:#uml> | LOL |
| 15:44 | <jdike:#uml> | very polite actually |
| 15:45 | <mjf:#uml> | Not only I love UML because it works (somehow) but also because I experience a lot of fun with it all the time. |
| 15:45 | <jdike:#uml> | "Now to blow you losers off - I'll be back when this pile of shit breaks again" |
| 15:45 | <jdike:#uml> | that's impolite |
| 15:45 | <mjf:#uml> | who said that? |
| 15:46 | <jdike:#uml> | me |
| 15:46 | <jdike:#uml> | just now |
| 15:46 | <mjf:#uml> | I thought it was some citation from citeseer ;) |
| 15:46 | <jdike:#uml> | no such luck |
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| 15:54 | <jdike:#uml> | notaverb.com is pretty amusing |
| 15:55 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: yeah, the general principal shouts out of it |
| 15:56 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I just copied the uml image two times so next time we will have (as I hope) 3 frozen UMLs |
| 15:57 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I hope it will be enough. Make up some strategy to debug them. :) |
| 15:57 | * | jdike:#uml is working on his strategy to blame someone else :-) |
| 15:57 | <jdike:#uml> | clearly a resume bug... |
| 15:59 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I know Machek a little who wrote some of the suspending/resuming stuff... he is Czech too and we discussed few things some months ago. |
| 16:01 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I will boot up two of the umls normally and one of them with init=/bin/sh ok? just for case ;) |
| 16:03 | <mjf:#uml> | hwclock is unable to get I/O port access: the iopl(3) call failed. |
| 16:03 | <mjf:#uml> | is this worth noticing? |
| 16:03 | <mjf:#uml> | I just noticed it in the dmesg output |
| 16:03 | <mjf:#uml> | in uml, of course |
| 16:04 | <jdike:#uml> | nope, that's expected |
| 16:04 | <mjf:#uml> | Do you also need my .config? |
| 16:04 | <jdike:#uml> | UML doesn't have the hardware expected by iopl |
| 16:04 | <jdike:#uml> | no |
| 16:04 | <mjf:#uml> | ok |
| 16:04 | <mjf:#uml> | do you need to see how I fire the umls? |
| 16:04 | <mjf:#uml> | kernel parameters... |
| 16:04 | <jdike:#uml> | nope |
| 16:04 | <mjf:#uml> | ok |
| 16:05 | <mjf:#uml> | do you agree with the one uml running with init=/bin/sh? |
| 16:05 | <jdike:#uml> | sure |
| 16:05 | <mjf:#uml> | ok |
| 16:05 | <jdike:#uml> | sounds very minimal |
| 16:16 | <mjf:#uml> | done, 3 umls are running |
| 16:16 | <jdike:#uml> | three happy bash prompts |
| 16:16 | <jdike:#uml> | with the systems all to themselves |
| 16:16 | <jdike:#uml> | no annoying daemons or gettys running around |
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| 16:17 | <mjf:#uml> | there are 2 normal debootstrapped minimal systems in login screen and one with init=/bin/sh |
| 16:18 | <mjf:#uml> | the the former one froze we will know the truth is out there |
| 16:18 | <mjf:#uml> | otherwise it is kernelside |
| 16:18 | <mjf:#uml> | sorry |
| 16:18 | <mjf:#uml> | if the former two freeze ... |
| 16:18 | <mjf:#uml> | hell, my english became really poor, I need some rest... |
| 16:20 | <mjf:#uml> | jdike: I leave. We will see tomorrow. Good night. |
| 16:20 | <jdike:#uml> | OK |
| 16:20 | <jdike:#uml> | night |
| 16:20 | <mjf:#uml> | Bye. |
| 16:21 | <mjf:#uml> | Good night all. |
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| 16:39 | <low_:#uml> | jdike, did you have time to make a clean port to 2.6.26 ? |
| 16:39 | <jdike:#uml> | no |
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| 16:40 | <jdike:#uml> | haven't played with it yet |
| 16:40 | <low_:#uml> | ok |
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