TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#uml:2006:07:07

---	Log	opened Fri Jul 07 00:00:51 2006
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09:41	<jdike>	Hi guys
09:42	[~]	peterz wves at jdike
09:45	<kokoko1>	Hello
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09:46	<sandrosh>	hello!
10:05	<dgraves>	morning jdike!
10:05	[~]	dgraves wves at jdike as well.
10:06	[~]	dgraves hopes this isn't obscene.
10:06	[~]	jdike wonders how to wve
10:06	<jdike>	sounds .... interesting
10:06	<peterz>	gah, s/wve/wave/ ;-)
10:06	<peterz>	hehe
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10:21	<sandrosh>	i have the usual kernel panic about the root filesystem :D
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10:23	<sandrosh>	has anything changed recently (recently = in the last two years) that ubd0=myfs root=ubd0 does not work any more?
10:24	<peterz>	I think you can just ommit the root= part
10:25	<sandrosh>	then i would just get the same panic
10:26	<sandrosh>	mmm
10:26	<sandrosh>	in fact i get a different one
10:26	<sandrosh>	VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.Kernel panic - not syncing: map_stub_pages : /proc/mm map for code failed, err = 22
10:28	<jdike>	sandrosh, can you strace that?
10:28	<sandrosh>	sure
10:30	<sandrosh>	oups
10:30	<sandrosh>	a bit too much output...
10:31	<jdike>	-o /some/file
10:31	<jdike>	and look at the very end, where the mmap fails
10:31	<sandrosh>	i did &> file
10:33	<sandrosh>	the last mmap return a value
10:33	<sandrosh>	mmap(0x60272000, 5824512, PROT_READ\|PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED\|MAP_FIXED, 4, 0x272000) = 0x60272000
10:33	<jdike>	whoops
10:33	<jdike>	look for a failing write
10:34	<jdike>	what's the host, anyway?
10:34	<sandrosh>	a failing write writes -1 chars isn't it?
10:34	<jdike>	UML thinks it has some, but not all of the skas patch
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10:36	<sandrosh2>	sorry i fell
10:36	<sandrosh2>	<sandrosh> a failing write writes -1 chars isn't it?<jdike> UML thinks it has some, but not all of the skas patch
10:36	<sandrosh2>	yes i noticed
10:36	<jdike>	yeah, it'll be write(...) = -1 (EINVAL) or something similar
10:37	<sandrosh2>	Checking for the skas3 patch in the host: - /proc/mm...found - PTRACE_FAULTINFO...not found - PTRACE_LDT...foundUML running in SKAS0 mode
10:37	<sandrosh2>	that looks wierd!
10:37	<jdike>	but, I'd either turn off skas usage or make sure the host is sane with skas3
10:37	<sandrosh2>	the host is a 2.6.17-gentoo-r1-skas3-v9-pre9
10:37	<sandrosh2>	should i rather patch a vanilla kernel?
10:37	<jdike>	yeah, probably
10:38	<sandrosh2>	afair the patches applied cleanly
10:38	<sandrosh2>	or with some fuzz
10:38	<jdike>	you can also boot with "noprocmm noptraceldt"
10:38	<sandrosh2>	oh, my host is a bi-processor opteron 275
10:38	<sandrosh2>	each processor with two cores
10:38	<jdike>	that will make it ignore the host skas support totally
10:38	<sandrosh2>	and my SUBARCH is x86_64
10:40	<sandrosh2>	may i flood with 6 lines or should i use pastebin?
10:41	<jdike>	6 lines is OK
10:42	<sandrosh2>	io scheduler noop registered
10:42	<sandrosh2>	io scheduler anticipatory registered (default)
10:42	<sandrosh2>	write(5, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 512) = 512
10:43	<sandrosh2>	(the above line 7 times)
10:43	<sandrosh2>	write(5, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 512) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
10:43	<sandrosh2>	read(6, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 512) = 512
10:43	<sandrosh2>	(the above line 7 times)
10:43	<sandrosh2>	read(6, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 512) = 511
10:43	<jdike>	that's not the problem
10:44	<sandrosh2>	ok
10:44	<jdike>	that's testing SIGIO of the host's ptys
10:45	<jdike>	you're looking for a write that returned -1 with errno == EINVAL
10:45	<sandrosh2>	i see
10:46	<sandrosh2>	i have quite a few of those error numbers for ioctls
10:46	<sandrosh2>	write(15, "6\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\340\377\277\177\0\0\0\0\20\0\0\0\0\0"..., 56) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
10:46	<sandrosh2>	and finally the above line!
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10:47	<sandrosh>	sorry, fallen again
10:47	<sandrosh>	write(15, "6\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\340\377\277\177\0\0\0\0\20\0\0\0\0\0"..., 56) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
10:48	<sandrosh>	after that i have a few ioctls that fail with errno ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device)
10:49	<jdike>	can you add -s 512 to the strace command?
10:49	<jdike>	and show me that failing write again?
10:50	<sandrosh>	i have to be quick
10:50	<sandrosh>	i try
10:50	<sandrosh>	(they will close me here in 8 minutes' time =)
10:51	<sandrosh>	write(15, "6\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\340\377\277\177\0\0\0\0\20\0\0\0\0\0\0\4\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\22\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\4\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0p\25\0\0\0\0\0", 56) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
10:53	<jdike>	OK
10:54	<sandrosh>	with "noprocmm noptraceldt" it doesn't panic but it just freezes saying 5 times "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c"
10:54	<sandrosh>	i really have to go now
10:55	<jdike>	is this a 32-bit UML?
10:55	<sandrosh>	no, 64bit
10:55	<sandrosh>	when can we meet again?
10:56	<sandrosh>	i could be there in half an hour, but i am afraid i might not be there before 3 hours
10:58	<sandrosh>	i have to rush
10:58	<sandrosh>	thank you for your time and see you some time
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11:01	<dgraves>	jdike: that was the nicest person i've known to randomly jump in.
11:02	<jdike>	polite, you mean?
11:02	<dgraves>	yeah
11:02	<jdike>	unlike ... ummm
11:02	<dgraves>	the rest of the people who randomly want me to start a business for them and make them money?
11:03	<jdike>	ummm ... yeah
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11:33	<sandrosh2>	here i am again
11:34	<kokoko1>	http://www.infoworld.com/reports/27SRvirtyear.html
11:34	<kokoko1>	no mention of UML :(
11:34	<jdike>	whoops
11:35	<sandrosh2>	mmm
11:35	<sandrosh2>	also some researchers from UCL that i know they are always denigrating uml :(
11:38	<jdike>	sandrosh, is your filesystem 32 bit?
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11:40	<dgraves>	yeah, i denigrate it too.
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11:42	<sandrosh2>	jdike: you are right!
11:42	<jdike>	about what?
11:42	<sandrosh2>	i am building my filesystem
11:42	<dgraves>	jdike is always right!
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11:42	<sandrosh2>	but i just wanted to give it a shot with a redy fs
11:42	<sandrosh2>	:)
11:42	<sandrosh2>	dgraves: why do you denigrate uml too?
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11:42	<jdike>	then use a 32-bit UML or get a 64-bit filesystem
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11:44	<sandrosh2>	how do you compile a 32bit UML on a x86_64 host?
11:44	<jdike>	http://uml.nagafix.co.uk/ has a bunch of 64-bit filesystems
11:44	<sandrosh2>	i tried with SUBARCH=i386
11:44	<jdike>	the easiest way is to build on x86 and copy it over
11:44	<sandrosh2>	no, i actually would like to have a 32 bit uml
11:44	<jdike>	why?
11:44	<sandrosh2>	and i have to do my own embedded filesystem
11:44	<dgraves>	sandrosh: i don't. i'm just the peanut gallery cause i'm nuts.
11:45	<jdike>	OK
11:45	<sandrosh2>	because we don't use x86_64 on pc104 :)
11:45	<jdike>	no? why on earth not?
11:45	<sandrosh2>	it's just overkilling :D
11:45	<jdike>	it's got more bits!
11:45	<sandrosh2>	and more heat
11:46	<sandrosh2>	fuel cells are not perpetual :D
11:46	<sandrosh2>	what is the one but the easiest way for a 32bit UML?
11:46	<jdike>	what I said
11:46	<jdike>	build on x86 and copy it over
11:47	<sandrosh2>	sorry i am gonna have a power black out for about a quarter of an hour soon
11:47	<sandrosh2>	i tried with SUBARCH=i386
11:47	<jdike>	what is it with your power?
11:47	<jdike>	Fidding SUBARCH isn't enough
11:48	<sandrosh2>	they were digging to put fiberoptics yesterday
11:48	<sandrosh2>	and something went wrong
11:48	<jdike>	you'll need a 32-bit toolchain on the host, and point the kernel build at it
11:48	<sandrosh2>	now they patched everything with a "flying" cable
11:48	<sandrosh2>	and they just said they're gonna change
11:49	<sandrosh2>	oh, i should have one with a bit of time
11:49	<sandrosh2>	i could build it from the 32 bit filesystem i am preparing
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11:49	<sandrosh2>	chrooting inside it
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11:52	<sandrosh2>	power should be going in a few seconds
11:53	<sandrosh2>	talk to you later
11:53	<sandrosh2>	thank you!
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15:34	<gcote>	test
15:34	<kokoko1>	pass
15:34	<dgraves>	fail!
15:34	<gcote>	(thx ... been having firewall issues)
15:35	<kokoko1>	iptables -F ?
15:35	<kokoko1>	:D
15:35	<dgraves>	try sending it to a firewall shrink!
15:35	<peterz>	dod says all your firewall are belong to us
15:36	<kokoko1>	hehheh
15:37	<gcote>	nah, not iptables ... our network admin is firewall crazy ... don't get me started
15:38	<gcote>	anyway ... my real troubles are UML-related ... anyone care to help a newbie?
15:38	<jdike>	just ask
15:39	<kokoko1>	You are in right place at right time
15:39	<gcote>	host machine runs FC4 ...
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15:39	<gcote>	rebuilt FC4 kernel with skas patch ...
15:40	<gcote>	built guest kernel from vanilla 2.6.16.20 ...
15:40	<gcote>	downloaded root filesystem from www.stearns.org
15:41	<gcote>	... but UML won't run ...
15:41	<gcote>	get "unable to open initial console"
15:42	<jdike>	paste the whole boot log to pastebin or something?
15:43	<dgraves>	gcote: you have a console defined in your /etc/inittab?
15:44	<jdike>	dgraves, that would be /dev/console not attached to a driver
15:44	<jdike>	normally, not fatal
15:45	<gcote>	jdike: pastebin is giving me errors :(
15:45	<jdike>	rafb? (sp?)
15:45	<dgraves>	jdike: that's true. but usually annoying, and results in uml looking like it hung.
15:45	<jdike>	I don't think it usually even looks like a hang
15:45	<dgraves>	besides, it was a very generic UML won't run. :)
15:45	<dgraves>	jdike: i've not gotten a log in sometimes.
15:46	<jdike>	http://rafb.net/
15:47	<jdike>	I fixed one cause of it because the FC5 init all of a sudden got upset by /dev/console not working
15:48	<jdike>	but before that, it was fine
15:48	<dgraves>	::L::
15:48	<dgraves>	but can you tell me why my undocumented NT functions are being dumb?
15:48	<jdike>	nope, sorry
15:49	<dgraves>	no good!
15:49	<dgraves>	you're fired!
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15:54	<mrob>	Hello, anyone alive in here?
15:55	<dgraves>	no.
15:55	<dgraves>	i just died.
15:55	<dgraves>	sorry.
15:55	<dgraves>	put in for some time in the future, k?
15:55	<mrob>	ha
15:55	<dgraves>	what's up?
15:55	<mrob>	is this a good place to ask about hostfs/umls
15:56	<dgraves>	sure. might be a little slow to respond.
15:56	<dgraves>	but eventually you'll get someone that knows what they're talking about.
15:56	<dgraves>	like maybe jdike!
15:56	[~]	jdike hides under a rock
15:56	<mrob>	I'm working on a research project where we're using uml's for virtual networking
15:57	[~]	dgraves rocks jdike.
15:57	<mrob>	I'm trying to communicate between the uml and the host using a named pipe in a host directory mounted by the uml with hostfs
15:58	<mrob>	I can edit the directory freely and I can get named pipes to work when I'm solely on the host but when I try and communicate with the host from the uml it just hangs
15:58	[~]	dgraves wonders why not just use a virtual console and attach a program to the other end of it.
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15:58	<gcote>	jdike/dgraves ... here's my uml output: http://www.copypot.com/41
15:59	<gcote>	you can see it tries to open a terminal on /dev/tty0
16:00	<jdike>	mrob, both kernels will communicate locally with the pipe
16:00	<jdike>	a hostfs named pipe is not a way to communicate between guest and host
16:01	<mrob>	I'm assuming there's a smart way to do it then?
16:01	<jdike>	do what?
16:01	<mrob>	get a program on the uml to talk to the host
16:02	<mrob>	specifically a user-space stack implementation in c needs to get debug prints to the host
16:02	<mrob>	right now we're reopening closing stdout and opening the pipe and assigning that to stdout
16:03	<mrob>	then I'm using scavenged python code to read the pipe on the host
16:03	<mrob>	except none of this works
16:04	<jdike>	do it over a network connection?
16:06	<mrob>	is it possible to use named pipes over hostfs?
16:06	<jdike>	sure
16:06	<jdike>	but not between host and guest
16:07	<mrob>	do you know where I could find an example implementation?
16:07	<jdike>	of what?
16:07	<mrob>	of a working named pipe over hostfs
16:08	<jdike>	you can't do what you want using hostfs named pipes
16:08	<mrob>	the locks don't work or something like that?
16:08	<mrob>	thats unfortunate
16:09	<jdike>	no, the whole thing doesn't work
16:09	<mrob>	well poo
16:09	<jdike>	named pipes are fundamentally not a inter-machine IPC mechanism
16:10	<jdike>	if you really want named pipes, then have one on the host and one on the guest
16:10	<mrob>	and you can get those pipes to talk to each other?
16:10	<jdike>	and have two processes in the middle, one on the host and one on the guest, talking over the network
16:10	<mrob>	ah, ok
16:10	<jdike>	passing data between the pipes
16:12	<jdike>	gcote, can you see if init=/bin/bash does anything different?
16:12	<mrob>	And that means I don't have to reimplement a bunch of stuff
16:12	<mrob>	thatnks
16:17	<jdike>	you do have to put a network connection in between, but that's a couple of netcats, maybe
16:17	<gcote>	jdike, based on what you & dgraves said earlier, I've been looking at my inittab and /dev ...
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16:17	<jdike>	I don't think that's the problem
16:17	<gcote>	... and scanning through the instructions on here: http://uml.harlowhill.com/index.php/UML_Fedora_Core_4 ...
16:18	<jdike>	init isn't running for very long
16:18	<gcote>	... and am now getting a bit farther
16:20	<gcote>	... here's my latest run log: http://www.copypot.com/42
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17:06	<gcote>	jdike ... thx for your help ... been making more progress on my end ... I need to reboot to switch to a newly built host kernel
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17:32	<caker>	jdike: hey -- I've got a reoccurring (at random) issue with /etc/inittab going away, and the contents of /etc/fstab becoming inittab ...
17:32	<caker>	It's happened to about 6-10 people that I'm aware of
17:33	<caker>	totally bizarre. I haven't nailed it down to a kernel yet, but I believe they were all running 2.6.17 at some point, and perhaps 2.6.16
17:37	<dgraves>	wah?
17:37	<dgraves>	that's odd!
17:39	<dgraves>	caker: is that on uml?
17:40	<caker>	dgraves: of course
17:44	<dgraves>	wacky.
17:44	<dgraves>	caker: is that like on hostfs?
18:10	<caker>	dgraves: nope
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