| --- | Log | opened Tue May 24 00:00:53 2005 |
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| 00:36 | solarce_ | who runs linode? |
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| 01:08 | Newsome | solarce: caker, and mikegrb works for him |
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| 02:22 | nasum | where can i get 2.4.24-um1? |
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| 09:08 | --- | Channel: services.oftc.net changed the topic of #uml to: Welcome to #UML - current releases: 2.4.27-um1 | 2.4.24-um1 (rock solid) | 2.6.11-bs1 | http://user-mode-linux.sf.net (Mainpage) | http://www.usermodelinux.org (communitypage) | http://www.user-mode-linux.org/~blaisorblade/ (SKAS/guest -bb and -bs patches) | http://uml.harlowhill.com/ (Wiki page for documentation) |
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| 10:13 | jdike | hi guys |
| 10:18 | solarce_ | sup jdizzle |
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| 12:32 | nasum | good morning |
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| 12:33 | nasum | is there any workaround for "im tracing myself and I can't get out" |
| 12:33 | nasum | im running 2.4.24-um1 |
| 12:33 | nasum | on a 2.6 host |
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| 13:33 | nasum | hi |
| 13:37 | nasum | anyone awake? |
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| 14:20 | commander | nasum sure |
| 14:24 | Le1 | setting up serial lines and consoles is extremely confusing to me. Might someone point me to a definition of the difference between a "serial line" and a "console". |
| 14:24 | jdike | Le1: there isn't really one |
| 14:24 | jdike | (a difference) |
| 14:25 | Le1 | so what's the purpose of sepperating the con device form the ssl device for the kernel arguments? |
| 14:26 | jdike | Le1: no real purpose, it's mostly historical |
| 14:26 | Le1 | I set con=pty but I can't find the console devices to attach to on the host to get a login prompt. |
| 14:28 | Le1 | the boot log mentions both /dev/tty0 and /dev/tty1 but attaching screen to both of those on the host gives me an empty screen and minicom complains that it can only connect to ptys, then quits. |
| 14:28 | jdike | Le1: add con0=fd:0,fd:1 |
| 14:28 | jdike | Le1: saves lots of trouble |
| 14:28 | Le1 | I did |
| 14:28 | Le1 | but I can't tell what it's supposed to do |
| 14:28 | jdike | Le1: your distro doesn't give you a login prompt on the main console? |
| 14:29 | Le1 | nope |
| 14:29 | jdike | Le1: where does it give you login prompts? |
| 14:29 | Le1 | the launching console just sits at the last cron message |
| 14:29 | Le1 | if I don't give it any arguments, it launches six xterms but the target for the work I'm doing is a system without X. |
| 14:30 | jdike | Le1: then use mconsole to ask it where the consoles are |
| 14:31 | Le1 | ah, okay. That's probably documented somewhere |
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| 14:34 | Le1 | config con1 just says "pty" |
| 14:34 | Le1 | but the host has no device by that name |
| 14:35 | jdike | Le1: so there's no getty on that one |
| 14:35 | Le1 | how high does it go? I tried up to con6 |
| 14:36 | jdike | Le1: all with the same result? |
| 14:36 | Le1 | yeah. but there's a getty somewhere cause the output of ps on the host shows some... |
| 14:36 | jdike | Le1: UML version |
| 14:36 | jdike | ? |
| 14:37 | Le1 | 2.6.11.10 from kernel.org |
| 14:38 | Le1 | host is Debian testing with 2.6.8 and Gnome |
| 14:39 | Le1 | jdike: ^^ |
| 14:40 | jdike | Le1: that should be OK |
| 14:40 | jdike | this is what I get: |
| 14:40 | jdike | uml_mconsole debian config con2 |
| 14:40 | jdike | OK pts:/dev/pts/6 |
| 14:41 | Le1 | weird. shall I change con=pty to con=pts? |
| 14:41 | jdike | Le1: try it |
| 14:42 | Le1 | that did it. weird. |
| 14:42 | jdike | Le1: pty devices work fine here too |
| 14:43 | Le1 | still no login prompt after the boot log on con0=fd:0,fd:1 |
| 14:43 | jdike | Le1: you need to put a getty on the main console |
| 14:44 | Le1 | is that configured in the rootfs? |
| 14:44 | jdike | Le1: you need to put a getty on the main console |
| 14:44 | jdike | oops |
| 14:44 | jdike | Le1: /etc/inittab |
| 14:44 | Le1 | :) |
| 14:44 | Le1 | thanks for your help. I should be okay from here for a while |
| 14:45 | Le1 | btw, UML rocks. |
| 14:45 | jdike | tx |
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| 16:27 | Le1 | I've created an empty filesystem and passed it the ubd1=filesystem argument, yet when booted, mount complains that /dev/ubd1 isn't a valid block device. |
| 16:32 | jdike | Le1: what's the minor number for /dev/ubd1? |
| 16:32 | Le1 | I forget how to determine that |
| 16:32 | jdike | Le1: ls |
| 16:33 | Le1 | 98 |
| 16:34 | jdike | Le1: that would be the major |
| 16:34 | Le1 | then the minor is blank. it reads "98, 1 Apr 21 2004 /dev/ubd1" |
| 16:35 | Le1 | oh, I'm dum. the minor is 1 :) |
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| 16:35 | jdike | Le1: change it to 16 |
| 16:36 | Le1 | how would I make sure this doesn't happen again? is there a file to set the major/minor numbers at boot time? |
| 16:49 | commander | Le1, try /dev/ubd/1 |
| 16:50 | commander | Le1, or look what ubd devices are recognized during kernet startup |
| 16:50 | commander | kernel |
| 16:50 | Le1 | commander: I have no /dev/ubd/* |
| 16:50 | Le1 | only 255 /dev/ubdxxx files |
| 16:51 | commander | ah strange i don't have those |
| 16:51 | Le1 | deleting and recreating the block device with the correct minor number worked. |
| 16:51 | Le1 | let's see what happens across reboots... |
| 16:51 | commander | anyway try including devfs support in your uml kernel config |
| 16:52 | Le1 | devfs support is compiled in but "automount at boot is not" |
| 16:54 | Le1 | but "automount at boot" makes the system unbootable. Can't find / |
| 16:56 | commander | because its /dev/ubd/x instead of /dev/ubdx |
| 16:56 | Le1 | good call :) |
| 16:56 | commander | oh sorry its /dev/discs/discx/party |
| 16:57 | Le1 | so I have to edit /etc/fstab to get it to find / ? |
| 16:57 | Newsome | Le1: depends on whether you plan to use devfs or not. What's the distro? |
| 16:57 | Le1 | Debian |
| 16:58 | Le1 | weird, looks like the device number change kept across a reboot |
| 16:58 | Le1 | this'll work for now. |
| 16:58 | Newsome | If you can stick with a static /dev, I'd do that, rather than use devfs. |
| 16:59 | commander | sometimes devfs is necessary for example when installing archlinux inside uml |
| 16:59 | Le1 | I've never had to edit block device minor numbers before. I got a little freaked out cause it's not in the UML documentation. |
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| 17:52 | iceman81 | hi |
| 17:52 | iceman81 | i have a problem compiling linux on gentoo |
| 17:52 | iceman81 | s/linux/usermode linux/ |
| 17:53 | iceman81 | the error is the following: |
| 17:53 | iceman81 | /usr/lib/libc.a could not read symbols: bad value |
| 17:53 | iceman81 | ld returned 1 exit status |
| 17:53 | iceman81 | anyone can help me? |
| 17:55 | commander | hmm strange |
| 17:55 | commander | is this the only error? |
| 17:55 | iceman81 | after that it tells |
| 17:56 | iceman81 | .tmp_vmlinux1: no such file |
| 17:56 | iceman81 | but i think this is due to the previous error |
| 17:56 | iceman81 | sorry for bad english |
| 17:56 | commander | its not that bad |
| 17:56 | commander | :) |
| 17:56 | commander | whats the error before |
| 17:57 | commander | what gentoo profile are you using, what gcc version? |
| 17:57 | iceman81 | gcc 3.4.3 |
| 17:58 | iceman81 | i have set "hardened" in the USE flag |
| 17:58 | commander | iceman81, you could try to paste the errors to a nopaste site |
| 17:58 | commander | oh hardened nice ;) |
| 17:58 | commander | http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 17:58 | iceman81 | commander ok |
| 17:59 | iceman81 | commander, do you think "hardened" could be the problem? |
| 17:59 | commander | maybe, but i don't know |
| 17:59 | commander | iceman81, you could inform yourself in #gentoo-hardened |
| 18:00 | iceman81 | i'll see |
| 18:01 | iceman81 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/6lKePu46.html |
| 18:03 | iceman81 | commander, do you use gentoo too? |
| 18:03 | commander | yes |
| 18:03 | iceman81 | but you do without "hardened" don't you? |
| 18:03 | commander | yeah |
| 18:04 | iceman81 | stage1 - 2 or 3? |
| 18:04 | commander | stage1 |
| 18:04 | iceman81 | i compiled everything from stage1 |
| 18:04 | iceman81 | commander could you pass your make.conf? |
| 18:04 | commander | hmm sure |
| 18:04 | iceman81 | i will try to recompile system |
| 18:05 | commander | http://rafb.net/paste/results/i1bNPl13.html |
| 18:05 | commander | but i have a local rsync mirror, and some german ftp mirrors |
| 18:05 | commander | maybe you should change them to some mirrors in italy |
| 18:06 | iceman81 | yeah |
| 18:06 | iceman81 | i wanted to see USE flag |
| 18:07 | iceman81 | i am leaving... thanks for the help |
| 18:07 | commander | no problem |
| 18:07 | iceman81 | byezZz |
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| 18:12 | Surferdude | Anyone know how to shutdown a guest with no mconsole access? |
| 18:14 | commander | will you could kill it ;) |
| 18:14 | commander | s/will/well |
| 18:15 | Surferdude | how would i do that |
| 18:15 | commander | killall -9 linux |
| 18:15 | commander | if linux is your uml binary |
| 18:16 | Surferdude | fs is still in use when i try to boot it again |
| 18:17 | commander | look if there are still instances of linux |
| 18:17 | commander | ps aux | grep linux |
| 18:18 | Surferdude | still running (not going to paste the entire output) |
| 18:19 | commander | hmmm |
| 18:19 | commander | try killall -HUP linux |
| 18:19 | commander | and then killall -9 linux |
| 18:21 | Surferdude | still running |
| 18:27 | commander | well the then you'll have to reboot :/ |
| 18:30 | | * Surferdude makes a note to start all guests with an mconsole |
| 18:30 | caker | Surferdude: what's the name of your linux binary? |
| 18:30 | Surferdude | linux |
| 18:31 | caker | Surferdude: try killall -CONT linux |
| 18:31 | caker | Surferdude: then killall -9 linux |
| 18:31 | Surferdude | too late :S |
| 18:31 | caker | Surferdude: what's your host kernel version? |
| 18:31 | Surferdude | [root@localhost root]# uname -a |
| 18:31 | Surferdude | Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.21-20.EL.c0smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 9 01:53:25 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 18:32 | Surferdude | CentOS |
| 18:37 | Surferdude | heres a dumb question: where is tun.o usually located? |
| 18:38 | Surferdude | i need to reinsert it into the kernel |
| 18:41 | Surferdude | nvm |
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| 20:24 | Surferdude | Anyone know when I can get some stable filesystems for UML? |
| 20:25 | Surferdude | All the ones i have come across seem to have problems |
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| 21:09 | jamesd | anyone have time to awser some security questions? |
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| 21:39 | caker | jamesd: like? |
| 21:39 | jamesd | one second |
| 21:40 | jamesd | can you share a readonly filesystem between linux and the uml istance? |
| 21:45 | jdike | jamesd: yes |
| 21:46 | jamesd | is it a standard feature or does it take special precausions, for istance if the drive is read/write out side of UML? |
| 21:47 | jdike | jamesd: if it's RW on the host and RO in UML, then UML caching changes will cause stuff not to be visible on the host for a while |
| 21:48 | jdike | jamesd: err, sorry, changes on the host won't be visible in the UML immediately |
| 21:48 | jamesd | okay |
| 21:49 | jamesd | i assume it can access raw devices and create and modify net devices/interfaces if you have permission? |
| 21:49 | jdike | jamesd: be specific |
| 21:49 | jamesd | like create network alias or change the ip# |
| 21:50 | jamesd | of eth0 |
| 21:50 | jdike | jamesd: of its own eth0? sure |
| 21:50 | jdike | jamesd: of the host eth0? no |
| 21:50 | jamesd | okay and can it use a network alias as its network connection? even it its shared with the hostmachine |
| 21:51 | jdike | jamesd: what's an alias? |
| 21:52 | jamesd | like eth 0 :1 shared with eth0 but has a different ip# |
| 21:52 | jamesd | and its own routing information |
| 21:53 | jdike | jamesd: no, it has no access to the host eth0, or eth:anything |
| 21:53 | jamesd | so its needs addtional hardwaare? to be useful |
| 21:54 | jdike | jamesd: why do you think you need that? |
| 21:54 | jamesd | well if you are using UML as a chroot jail environment for security without a network interface its not very useful |
| 21:55 | jdike | jamesd: there are plenty of ways to do networking without direct access to the host eth0 |
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| 21:56 | jamesd | so you have a virtual interface that can be shared between the host and UML? |
| 21:57 | jdike | jamesd: several |
| 21:57 | jamesd | of course... i was just being sure |
| 21:58 | jamesd | there is never one of anything in linux/unix :-) |
| 21:58 | jamesd | er just one |
| 22:00 | jdike | jamesd: TUN/TAP, Ethertap, SLIP, in decreasing order of preference |
| 22:00 | jdike | jamesd: and the switch can be hooked up to a TUN/TAP interface |
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| 22:01 | jamesd | is it possible to monitor tasks and status of the UML instance from outside? |
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| 22:01 | Newsome | jamesd: you can use uml_mconsole to do some monitoring |
| 22:02 | Newsome | jamesd: depends on what level you're talking about |
| 22:03 | jamesd | see what people are running? top like output, bandwidth usuage, etc. |
| 22:06 | jamesd | possibly like tripwire type applications |
| 22:07 | jdike | jamesd: bandwidth usage can be monitored from the host |
| 22:07 | jdike | jamesd: mconsole can look at anything in the UML's /proc |
| 22:07 | jamesd | okay and is there a ported version of top that uses it? |
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| 22:08 | jdike | jamesd: no |
| 22:08 | jamesd | ok.. |
| 22:09 | jamesd | what is UML's overhead less than 5%? for normal tasks? |
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| 22:43 | jdike | jamesd: more like the 20% range |
| 22:43 | jamesd | ok thanks |
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