TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#uml:2005:05:23

---	Log	opened Mon May 23 00:00:08 2005
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01:13	the_hydra	hello
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11:06	jdike	hi guys
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12:30	Le1	hello. I'm in a little predicament getting started with UML...
12:31	Le1	the host OS is Debian Unstable and I'm using the UML package from there. Booting the kernel on a Dual Xeon with a 2.6 kernel, I can't get past the "syncing system clock with hardware clock line".
12:35	Le1	the 2.6 kernel being the host OS
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13:34	er	hi, i have a problem debugging in skas mode (host: 2.6.7, uml: 2.6.11.8).
13:35	er	when I do a kill -INT pid, UML gets interrupted, but continues immediately thereafter
13:37	er	that is, gdb breaks in, but vmlinux kicks back in almost immediately.
13:47	jdike	er: what happens if you INT it again?
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14:02	er	jdike: same thing, brief interruption.
14:02	er	and then back again.
14:06	er	hm. i guess I'll try in tt mode.
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14:07	er	oops. didn't realize that i don't need to reboot to start in tt
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14:32	er	grumble. tt mode hangs with the debug option. my config must be screwed up.
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15:14	Surferdude	Anyone here? I have a question regarding kernels
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15:16	Surferdude	Is there anything special I need to do to build a kernel with networking cababilitys?
15:19	Newsome	Surferdude: enable one or more of the network transports in the UML
15:21	Surferdude	Tried it... when i enabled eth0, i got a ton of errors about it
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15:25	Newsome	running the UML as a user, or as root?
15:25	Surferdude	both
15:26	Surferdude	Here, ill get the exact error
15:26	Newsome	okay, what sort of errors?
15:26	Surferdude	somthing like /dev/net/tap0 does not exist
15:27	Newsome	sounds like you need to set up the tap device before starting up the UML
15:28	Surferdude	How do I go about doing that?
15:28	Newsome	tunctl
15:28	Newsome	Create: tunctl [-b] [-u owner] [-t device-name] [-f tun-clone-device]
15:28	Newsome	Delete: tunctl -d device-name [-f tun-clone-device]
15:28	Surferdude	so... tunctl -d eth0 -f
15:28	Surferdude	?
15:30	Newsome	No, on the host side, you'd run something like: tunctl -t tap0
15:30	Newsome	http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/networking.html
15:30	Surferdude	[root@localhost root]# tunctl -t tap0
15:30	Surferdude	Failed to open '/dev/net/tun' : No such device
15:30	Surferdude	[root@localhost root]#
15:30	Surferdude	:/
15:31	Surferdude	Would that be somthing with my O/S?
15:33	Surferdude	... /dev/net/tun exists though :/
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15:33	jdike	Surferdude: modprobe tun
15:34	Surferdude	cannot locate module
15:34	Le1	Is building a UML kernel from the 2.6.11 kernel source the recommended method for new installations?
15:34	jdike	Le1: yup
15:35	Le1	cool. if I may, it would be helpful if that fact was emphasized a bit more on the web page. There's a lot of 2.4 info there.
15:35	Newsome	Surferdude: gunzip -c /proc/config.gz\|grep CONFIG_TUN
15:36	Surferdude	no such file or directory
15:37	Le1	this one's a long shot. Would anyone happen to be running Debian unstable (sid) with a UML kernel built from kernel source > 2.6.9 ?
15:37	Le1	cause if you are I could use some advice.
15:38	Newsome	Surferdude: sounds like tuntap support isn't compiled into your kernel. You'd probably have to find a .config for your host to make sure
15:38	Le1	has 'modinfo tun' already been recommended?
15:39	Surferdude	no it has not
15:39	Surferdude	Just tried it, not found
15:39	Le1	if that doesn't say anything, you don't have the module
15:39	Surferdude	Where would i download it?
15:39	Le1	what distro?
15:40	Surferdude	CentOS
15:40	Le1	that's RHEL. weird, it should be there. Have you already built a custom kernel?
15:40	Surferdude	Custom kernel for the host or for uml?
15:40	Le1	for the host
15:41	Surferdude	No
15:42	Le1	well, you'll have to get an RPM of your kernel source either from your installation CDs or online. I've never used Cent so I don't know how they distribute/update software. Then you'll have to rebuild your kernel and turn on tuntap support.
15:42	Le1	it's not a trivial task
15:43	Surferdude	Ok... thanks
15:43	Surferdude	Ill go looking for an rpm
15:51	Le1	is it a crazy idea to build a rootfs by simply extracting a Debian base system into a mounted loopback filesystem?
15:51	jdike	Le1: you'll have to fiddle a couple files, but it'll work
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15:55	Le1	it's only cause the Debian Woody fs you built on Mar 27 2003 isn't booting on my system and I'm trying to figure out why
15:56	Le1	it get to "syncing system clock to hardware clock" and stays there indefinitely
15:56	jdike	Le1: add con1=none to the command line
15:57	Le1	will that work over an SSH session? or local console only?
15:58	jdike	Le1: ?
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15:59	Le1	sweet. never mind.
15:59	Le1	but now...VFS: Cannot open root device "98:0" or unknown-block(98,0)
15:59	Le1	Please append a correct "root=" boot option
15:59	Le1	Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(98,0)
16:00	Le1	this might be cause the ext2 drivers are built as modules in the stock Debian kernel...
16:02		* Le1 frowns at the initrd
16:06	Newsome	Le1: what matters is the UML kernel. Did you build _it_ with ext2 as modules, or built-in?
16:06	Le1	I used the Debian defaults, which happened to be a module. I'm rebuilding it now with them built in.
16:07	Newsome	okay. For UML, I always compile everything in.
16:08	Le1	nothing changed. Still says it can't find a valid root fs
16:08	Le1	does it need a root=/something argument?
16:12	Le1	this is weird. it's ignoring any kind of root= argument
16:14	Le1	this is the same error I got with the rootstrap package
16:14	Le1	could there be a hardware problem? it's a Dual Xeon with hyperthreading on and a 2.6.11-smp kernel
16:17		* Le1 peers at the initrd again...
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16:30	Le1	the initrd peers back. Still can't find rootfs. I've turned off the initrd and it still can't find the root filesystem...
16:33	Le1	be back tomorrow...thanks for the advice jdike and Newsome
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16:39	Surferdude	w00t!
16:39		* Surferdude got uml working on another server
16:40	Surferdude	then again... maybe not
16:42	Surferdude	I can ping the IP, but cant do anything else
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16:45	jdike	Surferdude: have a look at the firewalls in between
16:46	Surferdude	I think its the broadcast addresses are mixed up
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17:45	nasum	is there a recent 2.4 uml patch?
17:46	jdike	nasum: I'm about to post an item on uml.org about a 2.4.30 patch
17:46	nasum	cool! thanks
17:47	nasum	can I get an advance copy - I'm working on some stuff right now and need 2.4.30
17:48	nasum	um
17:48	nasum	uml.org is not the right uml :P
17:48	nasum	...but i suppose you knew that
17:54	jdike	uml.org == usermodelinux.org
17:54	jdike	local shorthand
17:54	nasum	:O)
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17:56	Surferdude	if I were to upgrade my host's kernel, would that upgrade kernel modules as well?
17:57	nasum	one would assume so
17:57	nasum	using rpm?
17:57	Surferdude	Yeah
17:57	nasum	i can't imagine that it wouldnt - modules are version dependent
17:58	Surferdude	because I dont see an easier or faster way to get the tun module installed
17:58	nasum	but i dont use rpm so i really dont know
17:58	Surferdude	All my other servers have it, but this one doesnt
17:58	nasum	you're telling me tun is not there?
17:58	Surferdude	yup... weird
17:58	nasum	find /lib/modules \| grep tun
17:59	Surferdude	[root@localhost root]# find /lib/modules \| grep tun
17:59	Surferdude	/lib/modules/2.4.21-20.EL.c0/kernel/net/ipv6/ip6_tunnel.o
17:59	Surferdude	/lib/modules/2.4.21-20.EL.c0smp/kernel/net/ipv6/ip6_tunnel.o
17:59	Surferdude	[root@localhost root]#
17:59	Surferdude	ipv4 isnt installed
17:59	nasum	heh
17:59	nasum	bummer
17:59	nasum	what distro?
18:00	Surferdude	CentOS
18:00	nasum	4?
18:00	Surferdude	i think so
18:00	nasum	i was thinking of installing that to see what it's like
18:00	Surferdude	Bought the server from an oddball company
18:01	Surferdude	but hey, it was cheap and ill make some profit reselling it
18:01	Surferdude	once i can get it working
18:01	nasum	your a pc reseller?
18:01	Surferdude	sorta
18:01	nasum	where are you located?
18:02	Surferdude	I dont have a datacenter, but I have reseller contracts with datacenters
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18:14	nasum	argh
18:15	nasum	my gcc doesn't like multiline inline asm :(
18:15	nasum	...need to fix all the ""
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18:37	nasum	jdike: do you want my patches against the 2.4.18-um patch that fix all the multiline literals and crap like that so it compiles with newer gcc
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19:57	Surferdude	This is so frustruating...
19:57	Surferdude	Nothing on google about tun/tap for centos
20:01	caker	insmod tun?
20:01	Surferdude	tried it
20:02	caker	is it built in?
20:02	Surferdude	Even tried copying tun.o from another server
20:02	Surferdude	aparently not
20:02	Surferdude	Because i have tun and everything working on my other server
20:02	Surferdude	but not this one
20:03	caker	# grep CONFIG_TUN config-2.6.9-5.0.3.ELsmp
20:03	caker	CONFIG_TUN=m
20:03	caker	it's a module on CentOS
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20:04	Surferdude	[root@localhost net]# grep CONFIG_TUN config-2.6.9-5.0.3.ELsmp
20:04	Surferdude	grep: config-2.6.9-5.0.3.ELsmp: No such file or directory
20:04	caker	...
20:04		* caker bonks Surferdude
20:04	caker	that's in /boot/
20:05	caker	and if you're running CentOS 4.0
20:05	Surferdude	running 3.3. <_<
20:06	caker	well, do the same for whatever config file is in there
20:06	Surferdude	wait, so I just grep the kernel?
20:06	caker	no, the config file in /boot/
20:08	Surferdude	Sorry, I am a newb here
20:08	Surferdude	whats the name of the file? just the kernel?
20:08	caker	Surferdude: ls -l /boot/config*
20:09	caker	Surferdude: grep one of those files for CONFIG_TUN
20:12	Surferdude	[root@localhost boot]# /boot/config-2.4.21-20.EL.c0smp \| grep CONFIG_TUN
20:12	Surferdude	-bash: /boot/config-2.4.21-20.EL.c0smp: Permission denied
20:12	Surferdude	[root@localhost boot]#
20:12	Surferdude	chmod the file?
20:12	caker	what?
20:12	caker	no
20:12	caker	grep CONFIG_TUN /path/to/that/filename
20:12	Surferdude	ohh
20:15	Surferdude	[root@localhost root]# grep CONFIG_TUN /boot/config-2.4.21-20.EL.c0smp
20:15	Surferdude	CONFIG_TUN=m
20:15	Surferdude	CONFIG_TUNER_3036=m
20:15	Surferdude	[root@localhost root]#
20:17	Surferdude	i guess that means that tun isnt enabled then
20:20	Surferdude	anyone?
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20:59	Newsome	Surferdude: what does "modprobe tun" do then?
21:00	Surferdude	it used to say not found
21:00	Surferdude	but i got tun.0 from my other server and ran insmod
21:00	Surferdude	gave me a "module entered with warnings" but I hope it will work
21:08	Surferdude	aparently wasnt the smartest idea... just rebooted my server and its not coming back up
21:18	mikegrb	...
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