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| 02:58 | <Mazuli112> | how to be multiplayer |
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| 04:57 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: matthijs * r23907 /trunk/Makefile.in: -Fix: [Makefile] Let "make clean --dry-run" not delete Makefiles. |
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| 05:01 | <andythenorth> | morning |
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| 05:09 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: matthijs * r23908 /trunk/Makefile.src.in: -Fix (r22910): [Makefile] Make sure bin/baseset/openttd.32.bmp is removed on make clean. |
| 05:12 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: matthijs * r23909 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix: [SDL] Fix keyboard-related segfault when compiling against SDL 1.3. |
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| 05:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: matthijs * r23910 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: (log message trimmed) |
| 05:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: -Fix: [SDL] Handle the SDL_VIDEOEXPOSE event. |
| 05:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: - It seems this event is never triggered when using 1.2 (it has some |
| 05:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: autorefresh feature which seems to have been removed in 1.3), but in theory |
| 05:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: this event could also trigger on 1.2. |
| 05:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: - Note that this fixes redraw issues when compiling against SDL 1.3, but it |
| 05:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: still uses the "compatibility" rendering API using SDL_SetVideoMode and |
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| 07:59 | <Stimrol_> | hello, looking for help how you can let players change name from chat instead of console, seen in other servers people use "!name newname" |
| 08:02 | <@peter1138> | you'd need a server-side script for that |
| 08:04 | <Stimrol_> | is there any place you can find these kind of scripts or are they not out there for download |
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| 08:06 | <@peter1138> | not as far as i know |
| 08:06 | -!- | Stimrol_ is now known as Stimrol |
| 08:06 | <Stimrol> | okey, thanks |
| 08:06 | <Ammler> | Stimrol_: consult the docs to the 3rd-party software you use, e.g. autopilot you find on DevZone |
| 08:07 | <Stimrol> | ok, I will check that |
| 08:08 | <Ammler> | but autopilot is very old, there might be more modern apps, which use the special admin interface |
| 08:09 | <Stimrol> | you mean searching the bananas server or in development section? |
| 08:10 | <@planetmaker> | no, those things are not on bananas. |
| 08:10 | <Ammler> | as said 3rd-party, you find such scripts either on tt-forums or devzone (dev.openttdcoop.org) |
| 08:11 | <Stimrol> | ok thanks for this :) |
| 08:15 | <Stimrol> | btw. this link is not working http://www.codecubes.org/wiki/Avignon |
| 08:18 | <Stimrol> | I found it in the autopilot wiki |
| 08:18 | <@planetmaker> | yes, that page expired. You might ask dihedral whether it still exists somewhere |
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| 08:25 | <Stimrol> | I will just stick to the orginal, use console :) but thanks anyway, thought you could maybe use alias or something |
| 08:28 | <Ammler> | what is "original"? |
| 08:29 | <Ammler> | ah console, ok :-) |
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| 09:06 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 09:06 | <andythenorth> | have the parameters disappeared from FIRS 0.7.0? |
| 09:07 | <@Belugas> | hellp |
| 09:07 | <@Belugas> | mmh |
| 09:07 | <@Belugas> | hello |
| 09:07 | <@Belugas> | :) |
| 09:10 | <@planetmaker> | andythenorth, I doubt they disappeared. People just don't know the parameter GUI nor care to look |
| 09:10 | <@planetmaker> | hi Belugas |
| 09:10 | * | andythenorth feels like being rude about users |
| 09:13 | <@Belugas> | sir maker :) |
| 09:13 | <@Belugas> | andythenorth, don't fear to kick the butt when it's needed. stupidity is neevr welcome |
| 09:14 | * | andythenorth wonders if 'set parameters' is the most obvious label for a button |
| 09:14 | <andythenorth> | 'wtf parameters?' is a fair reaction from a user |
| 09:14 | <andythenorth> | but that speaks to an unfinished GUI rebuild |
| 09:14 | * | andythenorth prods planetmaker |
| 09:15 | <andythenorth> | another fine project we started :) |
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| 09:39 | <zombi-> | Hey |
| 09:40 | <zombi-> | Wondering if anyone might want to come hang out with me and a friend on a server.. help us understand the game.. we want to play it but finding it difficult really understand what the point is |
| 09:40 | <zombi-> | Like growing towns etc |
| 09:40 | <KenjiE20> | there's a point to all this? |
| 09:40 | <zombi-> | And we find some of the wiki a bit overwhelming |
| 09:40 | <zombi-> | Dunno :P |
| 09:43 | <Ammler> | join another server |
| 09:45 | <zombi-> | we're just playing on a server together right now |
| 09:46 | <zombi-> | dont wanna screw up anyones game |
| 09:47 | <andythenorth> | zombi-: there are goals to win |
| 09:47 | <andythenorth> | but after that it's a big sandbox |
| 09:47 | <andythenorth> | surprisingly addictive sandbox |
| 09:48 | <zombi-> | are there? |
| 09:48 | <zombi-> | i thought it was just a sandbox :) |
| 09:48 | <andythenorth> | the original game has a set of goals |
| 09:48 | <andythenorth> | new goals are being developed with scripts |
| 09:48 | <andythenorth> | but they're not done yet |
| 09:48 | <zombi-> | i think part of the problem is we never played the original |
| 09:49 | <zombi-> | parts of the wiki are quite technical |
| 09:49 | <zombi-> | one thing we were stuck on is how to make cities grow |
| 09:49 | <zombi-> | cities/towns |
| 09:50 | <andythenorth> | zombi-: goals are in the company league table http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_interface#Company_and_industry_information |
| 09:50 | <andythenorth> | iirc |
| 09:50 | <zombi-> | right now we're justt playing on the same company |
| 09:51 | <zombi-> | dunno if thats how we're supposed to do it |
| 09:51 | <andythenorth> | you can still play collaboratively to win - if you care |
| 09:51 | <andythenorth> | the goals are interesting the first time round |
| 09:51 | <andythenorth> | once you understand the game, they're pretty easy |
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| 09:51 | <zombi-> | yeah i bet |
| 09:52 | <andythenorth> | zombi-: town growth http://wiki.openttd.org/Towns#Town_Growth |
| 09:52 | <zombi-> | but its understanding it in the first place |
| 09:52 | <andythenorth> | :) |
| 09:52 | <zombi-> | yeah ive read this |
| 10:04 | <@planetmaker> | zombi-, just service 5 stations within the town's influence well |
| 10:05 | <@planetmaker> | In arctic / tropical make sure to supply (also) the needed cargo like food and / or water |
| 10:05 | <@planetmaker> | all bets are off, if you play on a server with a goal script which modifies town growth |
| 10:05 | <@planetmaker> | then many things are possible |
| 10:05 | <@planetmaker> | and... one can also find a setting in the adv. settings which regulates speed of town growth |
| 10:08 | <zombi-> | oh |
| 10:10 | <zombi-> | meh |
| 10:10 | <zombi-> | now my friend cant connect |
| 10:10 | <zombi-> | keeps saying connection lost |
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| 10:14 | <@planetmaker> | connection lost :-P |
| 10:15 | <zomb--> | nah i rebooted my router |
| 10:15 | <zomb--> | but the problem seems to be the map size |
| 10:15 | <zomb--> | i set it to 1024x1024 and she cant connect |
| 10:15 | <zomb--> | but i set it back to 256x256 and its fine.. hmm |
| 10:15 | <@planetmaker> | increase the timeout settings |
| 10:15 | <zomb--> | oh |
| 10:15 | <zomb--> | wheres that? |
| 10:16 | <@planetmaker> | in the openttd.cfg |
| 10:16 | <zomb--> | its not in the program dir |
| 10:17 | <@planetmaker> | yup, it's in the OpenTTD config dir |
| 10:17 | <@planetmaker> | ~/.openttd or whereever. Depends on your OS |
| 10:17 | <zomb--> | ok |
| 10:18 | <zomb--> | network_chat_timeout = 20 |
| 10:18 | <zomb--> | console_backlog_timeout = 100 |
| 10:18 | <zomb--> | max_join_time maybe |
| 10:18 | <@planetmaker> | rather like max_join_time |
| 10:18 | <zomb--> | its 500 right now |
| 10:18 | <zomb--> | i guess thats 5 seconds |
| 10:19 | <@planetmaker> | @calc 500/74 |
| 10:19 | <@DorpsGek> | planetmaker: 6.75675675676 |
| 10:19 | <zomb--> | only need to change it on the server? |
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| 10:19 | <@planetmaker> | yes, only server needs to change it |
| 10:19 | <@planetmaker> | @calc 0.03 * 500 |
| 10:19 | <@DorpsGek> | planetmaker: 15 |
| 10:19 | <@planetmaker> | hm, 15 seconds |
| 10:23 | <zomb--> | that was the problem, thanks |
| 10:27 | <@planetmaker> | great. You're welcome |
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| 10:43 | <zomb--> | some of the text is too small to see |
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| 11:08 | <dREALar|lolopentttd> | Hi guys, I'm having a hard time installing 1.1.5 on ubuntu 11.04, is there someone that's willing to walk me through it? |
| 11:08 | -!- | dREALar|lolopentttd is now known as dREALar |
| 11:14 | <TrueBrain> | apt-get install openttd |
| 11:14 | <TrueBrain> | ? :) |
| 11:15 | <blathijs> | 1.1.5 is not in Debian/Ubuntu yet |
| 11:15 | <blathijs> | dREALar: Did you download the .deb from download.openttd.org? |
| 11:15 | <TrueBrain> | meh; I keep forgetting distros suck for that :) |
| 11:15 | <TrueBrain> | dpkg -i <file.deb> then? :) |
| 11:15 | <zomb--> | how can you speed up trains? |
| 11:15 | <blathijs> | TrueBrain: In this case, it's me who's failing ;-p |
| 11:16 | <TrueBrain> | blathijs: it was not meant as a blame to anyone :) Distros only are a 3rd party, who are not always in sync :) |
| 11:16 | <blathijs> | nearly finished the packaging though, with a handful build improvements as well |
| 11:16 | <TrueBrain> | \o/ |
| 11:16 | <blathijs> | dREALar: Hmm, seems download.openttd.org only has versions for 11.10 and 10.04. Did you try both of them? |
| 11:17 | <dREALar> | yeah :( |
| 11:17 | <+michi_cc> | Use the linux generic binaries, Ubunutu likes to update ICU each and every release breaking old packages. |
| 11:19 | <TrueBrain> | you make it sound like it is a bad thing they want to keep up with recent releases of ICU :) |
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| 11:23 | <dREALar> | michi_cc can i /query you, i have some questions |
| 11:24 | <+michi_cc> | I don't use Ubuntu, so it is unlikely I can answer. |
| 11:24 | <dREALar> | Ah ok, I'm just pretty inexperienced in it myself, have no experience doing anything more than a simple minecraft server on it :( |
| 11:26 | <TrueBrain> | so ask your questions here, plenty of people who might know the answer :) |
| 11:27 | <dREALar> | I'm just trying to figure out how to install 1.1.5 on ubuntu 11.04, if it's at all possible. |
| 11:27 | <dREALar> | agh |
| 11:30 | <blathijs> | dREALar: Did you try the 11.10 and 10.04 versions? |
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| 11:40 | <TrueBrain> | how rude |
| 11:42 | <@Rubidium> | pff... ubuntu... either stay current, or stay with "stable". Else it's going to fail ;) |
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| 12:37 | <frosch123> | ah, that's how the world ends! |
| 12:37 | <frosch123> | russia drilled to an antarctic sea, looking for "new species" |
| 12:38 | <MNIM> | blathijs: I don't know about others, but I haven't been able to install OTTD on my 10.10 since 1.1.4 due to a plethora of supposedly missing dependencies. |
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| 12:39 | <MNIM> | however, using generic binaries works flawlessly. |
| 12:41 | <@Rubidium> | MNIM: you should be using a Ubuntu LTS or the newest Ubuntu ;) |
| 12:41 | <MNIM> | ehhhhhh, hell no? buntu went to *censored* since 10. |
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| 13:08 | <__ln__> | http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/401166_3121428155432_1256411501_33350038_1835633278_n.jpg |
| 13:10 | <SpComb> | bring your own chalk and graphing calculator |
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| 13:10 | * | SpComb wonders what projection it is |
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| 13:16 | <TWerkhoven> | surely theres a fork of ubuntu somewhere that doesnt have *censored*? |
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| 13:18 | <@Alberth> | ih ih |
| 13:19 | <TWerkhoven> | olleh |
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| 13:20 | <SpComb> | TWerkhoven: mint? |
| 13:20 | <SpComb> | as in Mint Linux |
| 13:21 | <@Rubidium> | TWerkhoven: not quite a fork, but Debian? |
| 13:22 | <TWerkhoven> | my point exactly |
| 13:23 | <SpComb> | my Ubuntu 9.10 laptop still works kinda fine :) |
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| 13:40 | <__ln__> | inspiration for elrail graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TrnlcStma4 |
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| 13:44 | <Wolf01> | hello |
| 13:45 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: translators * r23911 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt german.txt): |
| 13:45 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
| 13:45 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: french - 29 changes by OliTTD |
| 13:45 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by NG |
| 13:46 | <zomb--> | how do you find out if a town hates you? :P |
| 13:47 | <zomb--> | theres a local authority that wont let me build and im wondering how i view my standings with them |
| 13:48 | <@Alberth> | euhm, in the town window there is a company rating tab somewhere |
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| 13:59 | <zomb--> | ok |
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| 14:01 | <@Alberth> | http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Local_authority_rating description of the names |
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| 14:08 | <kais58> | whats the option you need to enable to buy companies? |
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| 14:10 | <andythenorth> | evening |
| 14:10 | <@Terkhen> | hello |
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| 14:27 | <__ln__> | official movie poster: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6817553905_ec8b002105_b.jpg |
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| 15:15 | <zomb--> | i have low rating with a town... so i cant build there.. and i destroyed my only station.. how can i get good standing again? |
| 15:17 | <valhalla1w> | build trees |
| 15:17 | <valhalla1w> | or bribe them |
| 15:20 | <@Alberth> | wait |
| 15:20 | <@Alberth> | read the game mechanics page I linked :) |
| 15:21 | <@Alberth> | reload an old save game :p |
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| 15:52 | <Elu> | just plant lots of trees |
| 15:52 | -!- | Elu is now known as Elukka |
| 15:56 | <andythenorth> | wtf |
| 15:56 | <andythenorth> | this wifi works today |
| 15:56 | * | andythenorth can share other dull meta news if required |
| 15:56 | <SpComb> | that's what IRC is for |
| 15:57 | <andythenorth> | also |
| 15:58 | <andythenorth> | for this |
| 15:58 | <andythenorth> | http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/7/73/Trollface.png/500px-Trollface.png |
| 15:58 | <andythenorth> | somewhat makes sense |
| 15:58 | <andythenorth> | kind of |
| 15:58 | <andythenorth> | mostly irc is for meta-announcements that andythenorth is coding something |
| 15:58 | <andythenorth> | or stuck with coding something |
| 15:58 | <andythenorth> | or bored of coding something |
| 15:59 | <@Terkhen> | good night |
| 15:59 | <andythenorth> | or announcing good night :) |
| 16:00 | <andythenorth> | bye Terkhen |
| 16:01 | <frosch123> | hmm, if i use refittable next to refitability, then one of them looks wrong |
| 16:02 | <andythenorth> | refittable refittability |
| 16:02 | <andythenorth> | tautology? |
| 16:02 | <andythenorth> | :P |
| 16:02 | * | andythenorth ponders |
| 16:03 | <andythenorth> | what do I call a property that newgrf author sets explicitly? author defined? manually-set? |
| 16:03 | <frosch123> | what properties does a newgrf author not set explicitly? |
| 16:04 | <andythenorth> | ones where they write an algorithm instead :P |
| 16:04 | <frosch123> | can you give an example? :) |
| 16:04 | <andythenorth> | truck weight could be: length * (constant related to truck type) |
| 16:04 | <andythenorth> | which means I don't have to set weight :) |
| 16:05 | * | andythenorth is lazy |
| 16:05 | <frosch123> | ah, so you mean basic and derived properties? :) |
| 16:05 | <andythenorth> | exactly |
| 16:05 | <@Rubidium> | formulaed? ;) |
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| 16:08 | <andythenorth> | when do I stop doing 'if type == foo: stuff' and start subclassing trucks for 'foo', 'bar', 'ham', 'eggs' etc? |
| 16:09 | <andythenorth> | I've never really written proper oo stuff |
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| 17:00 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 17:00 | <frosch123> | compilers should enforce a fixed coding style, and vcs should enforce a fixed commit style :s |
| 17:03 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23912 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: When testing whether a engine shall only carry the default cargo, check ctt_include_mask for being empty before applying cargo translation. |
| 17:05 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23913 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r23912): Silly typo in comment. |
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| 17:27 | <frosch123> | i assume there is no v7 NewGRF which uses cargobits without cargo translation table :) |
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| 17:34 | <Hirundo> | Perhaps MB has an unreleased one ;-) |
| 17:34 | <frosch123> | GetCargoTranslation is an amazing function. it was fixed at least 3 times, and is still wrong |
| 17:35 | <frosch123> | and yet noone ever added documentation about the parameters passed :p |
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| 17:35 | <frosch123> | fs#2157 is said to have such a GRF though |
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| 17:38 | <Hirundo> | fs2157 sounds ancient |
| 17:39 | <frosch123> | then i am old :p |
| 17:39 | <frosch123> | as i was already dev in july 2008 :p |
| 17:40 | <frosch123> | ah, the grf in fs#2157 defines cargobit = cargoslot for all its cargos |
| 17:40 | <frosch123> | so it still works even if ottd confuses them :p |
| 17:41 | <frosch123> | weird set, it defines 5 cargos and disables everything else |
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| 17:46 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23914 /trunk/src/newgrf_cargo.cpp: -Fix (r11252, r13855): Don't test validity of cargobits using a mask of cargoslots. |
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| 17:48 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23915 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Translate refitmask directly after reading it from the GRF. |
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| 17:59 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23916 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: |
| 17:59 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: -Fix (r23145): When determining the first refittable cargotype according to CTT |
| 17:59 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: order, do not rely on the GRF assigning the refit_mask property. Also check for |
| 17:59 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: GRFs setting the default_cargo or refittable-cargo-classes or -types properties. |
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| 17:59 | <frosch123> | Hirundo: should make you happy :) |
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| 18:04 | <Hirundo> | awesome |
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| 18:12 | <frosch123> | night |
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