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| 02:06 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r12423 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (15 files): [NoAI] -Change: bring a little more uniformness into the first few lines of the API related files (add missing /* $Id$ */ and such). |
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| 06:01 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r12424 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttdgui.nfo openttdgui.pcx): [OTTD_GRF] -Add: new sprites needed for the OSK. |
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| 06:08 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r12425 /trunk/ (21 files in 7 dirs): -Feature [FS#1846]: On Screen Keyboard for input fields so someone without a keyboard can enter text too. Patch by Dominik. |
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| 06:38 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r12426 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp network/network_gui.cpp): -Cleanup: sprinkle some coding style over a few files. |
| 06:48 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r12427 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [Squirrel] -Fix: silence some GCC 4.3 compile warnings. |
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| 06:55 | <Celestar> | heyo |
| 06:56 | <@DorpsGek> | Celestar: Open Bugs: 18; Not assigned: 12; Closed this week: 12; Opened this week: 8 |
| 06:56 | <Rubidium> | 'lo |
| 06:56 | <Celestar> | only 18. not bad at all :) |
| 06:56 | <Celestar> | heyo Rubidium |
| 06:56 | <Rubidium> | http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=17 <- Interesting server ;) |
| 06:57 | <Celestar> | lol |
| 06:57 | <Celestar> | you think I should shut it down? |
| 06:57 | <Rubidium> | it's currently the one with the lowest revision; probably also the one that's the longest online and unused |
| 06:58 | <Rubidium> | so yes! |
| 06:58 | <Celestar> | server gone ;) |
| 06:58 | <Celestar> | hm |
| 06:58 | <Celestar> | why is it still listed? :P |
| 06:59 | <Rubidium> | udp packet didn't come through |
| 06:59 | <Celestar> | maybe the "kill" might have something to do with it? :P |
| 06:59 | <Rubidium> | so it'll 'time out' within 5 minutes |
| 07:00 | <Rubidium> | could very well be the case |
| 07:00 | <Celestar> | like kill -9 |
| 07:00 | <Rubidium> | now it's a goner |
| 07:03 | <Celestar> | good :> |
| 07:03 | <Celestar> | how's NoAI doing? |
| 07:04 | <Rubidium> | don't know exactly myself; just started doing some coding related stuff again after two months doing absolutely nothing |
| 07:04 | <Celestar> | hehe |
| 07:04 | <Celestar> | ok |
| 07:04 | <Celestar> | who's at the helm of 0.6 btw? |
| 07:04 | <Celestar> | Belugas? |
| 07:04 | <Rubidium> | good question |
| 07:05 | * | Celestar wonders what showstoppers we have for 0.6 left |
| 07:05 | <Celestar> | PutWordsInCorrectOrder(); |
| 07:06 | <Rubidium> | there isn't a big no-go on the bugtracker at the moment |
| 07:06 | <Rubidium> | but then again, there were quite a lot of changes since beta5, so we'll just release a rc1 and hope it's the last one |
| 07:06 | <Celestar> | anything to fix till then? |
| 07:07 | <Rubidium> | Belugas was on the changelog and such, don't know how far he's with that though |
| 07:07 | <Celestar> | The only "Medium" bug is 1832 and still am a newgrf n00b |
| 07:07 | <Rubidium> | well, the severity is usually not touched |
| 07:08 | <Rubidium> | and in this case I've got no idea about the bug either, so I'm not touching it |
| 07:08 | * | Celestar goes checking 1852 |
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| 07:49 | <Dominik> | is someone who goes by the name of Tb2571989 in the Wiki here? |
| 07:51 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r12428 /trunk/src/osk_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1878]: loading from the config file could fail even when the data is correct. Patch by Dominik. |
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| 08:28 | <ln> | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7313878.stm |
| 08:30 | <@DorpsGek> | Celestar: Open Bugs: 18; Not assigned: 12; Closed this week: 13; Opened this week: 9 |
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| 08:31 | <Celestar> | On Screen Keyboard? |
| 08:31 | <Celestar> | ah for PSP and PDAs? |
| 08:32 | <mrfrenzy> | has anyone tried the symbian port? You need a needle to hit the small buttons and a magnifying glass to see the text... |
| 08:34 | <Dominik> | Celestar: and for the Nintendo DS :) |
| 08:34 | <@peter1138> | Just get some better eyes. |
| 08:34 | <Celestar> | morning peter1138 |
| 08:34 | <@peter1138> | Hi :) |
| 08:34 | * | peter1138 ponders the SDLmixer patch, now that 0.6 is branched |
| 08:35 | * | Dominik cheers |
| 08:38 | <Celestar> | peter1138: what does it do? |
| 08:39 | <@peter1138> | Extends the music/sound drivers to include mixing, so that a driver doesn't have to use the builtin software mixer. |
| 08:39 | <@peter1138> | Then it adds an SDL_mixer driver. |
| 08:39 | <Gekz> | I had OpenTTD on my Palm TX |
| 08:39 | <Gekz> | then the guy stopped maintaining it |
| 08:39 | <Gekz> | it was 0.4 svn |
| 08:39 | <@peter1138> | The other drivers just inherit from a software mixer driver. |
| 08:40 | <Celestar> | I see |
| 08:40 | <Dominik> | once that patch is live my nds port diff will be a lot smaller :) |
| 08:41 | <Celestar> | we have an NDS port? |
| 08:41 | <Gekz> | NDS port? coolzor |
| 08:41 | <Dominik> | not in svn yet, but yeah |
| 08:41 | <Gekz> | flashcart and such required? |
| 08:41 | <Dominik> | http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Nintendo_DS#Screenshots |
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| 08:42 | <Dominik> | Gekz: yes, otherwise there's no way to get code on the DS |
| 08:42 | <Celestar> | 256*128 |
| 08:42 | <Celestar> | what's the amount of memory in the DS? |
| 08:43 | <Gekz> | Dominik: how much did it cost |
| 08:43 | <Dominik> | Celestar: this should answer your question: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Portable_device_version |
| 08:43 | <Celestar> | thanks |
| 08:43 | <Dominik> | Gekz: you mean flashcarts for the DS? you can get them for 25-40 US$ |
| 08:44 | <Gekz> | Dominik: Buy me one xD |
| 08:44 | <Gekz> | seriously, ebay fails -_- |
| 08:44 | <Dominik> | ebay doesn't list them but any decent online shop will have them. even amazon.com |
| 08:45 | <Gekz> | I'm in Australia |
| 08:45 | <Gekz> | I dont really have access to Amazon or anything remotely useful or of competitive price |
| 08:46 | <Dominik> | i ordered mine here. they're shipping from HongKong to anywhere in the world: http://www.dealextreme.com/ |
| 08:46 | <mrfrenzy> | dealextreme are nice |
| 08:46 | <Dominik> | no shipping charges btw ^^ |
| 08:47 | <Gekz> | :o |
| 08:48 | <Gekz> | Dominik: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11457 |
| 08:48 | <Gekz> | you buoght that? |
| 08:49 | <Gekz> | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11811 |
| 08:49 | <Gekz> | that I suppose |
| 08:49 | <Dominik> | no, i've got an R4DS. but they are out of stock now. |
| 08:49 | <Dominik> | but any of those will do |
| 08:51 | <Dominik> | maybe the N5 is the sucessor of the R4. it seems they have similar firmware. |
| 08:52 | <Gekz> | alright |
| 08:52 | <Gekz> | brb |
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| 09:31 | <ln> | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1206537426487.jpg |
| 09:32 | <SmatZ> | :) |
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| 09:35 | <Celestar> | ln: the U.S.S. Enterprise, no doubt |
| 09:35 | <keyweed_> | depends, which version is it |
| 09:35 | <Celestar> | -D |
| 09:35 | <keyweed_> | then it's the enterprise. |
| 09:36 | <Celestar> | considering the Star Destroyer has onboard lasers with a range of around 10km and sensors for 100km, yes. |
| 09:36 | <keyweed_> | ancient crap |
| 09:36 | <Celestar> | :P |
| 09:37 | <Celestar> | A Photon Torpedoe has a range of 10 light seconds ;) |
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| 09:37 | <keyweed_> | makes you wonder what the star wars scientists has been doing the last few centuries |
| 09:38 | <keyweed_> | sure, light sabres look impressive but they're not much use against orbital bombardment |
| 09:38 | <@Belugas> | those are miniature... |
| 09:38 | <@Belugas> | so none of them :P |
| 09:40 | <keyweed_> | actually, they have this Genesis torpedo from one of the movies, why doesn't the federation just attack all their enemies with that. |
| 09:40 | <keyweed_> | looked rather unbeatable |
| 09:40 | <keyweed_> | and leaves colonisable planets behind |
| 09:40 | <peterbrett> | keyweed_: They probably think it's "unethical" |
| 09:41 | <@Belugas> | naaa.... it is just unrealistic |
| 09:41 | <keyweed_> | peterbrett: letting the borg destroy earth is ethical? |
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| 09:45 | <Celestar> | keyweed_: The Borg didn't do a good job, did they? |
| 09:45 | <keyweed_> | Celestar: no, but it was to close for comfort |
| 09:46 | <keyweed_> | something else worries me, how can an emperial destroyer avoid hitting things if it can only has a scanning range of 100 km |
| 09:46 | <keyweed_> | *imperial |
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| 09:46 | <Celestar> | keyweed_: it doesn't :P |
| 09:47 | <keyweed_> | it can't fire at enemies, can't see what it's about to fly into |
| 09:47 | <keyweed_> | worthless piece of crap |
| 09:48 | <Celestar> | ^^ |
| 09:48 | <Rubidium> | it's probably build robust enough so it can fly through ships and such |
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| 09:48 | <@peter1138> | ln, i guess the caption is right :o |
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| 09:49 | <yorick> | hello glx |
| 09:50 | <yorick> | I'm updating the FICL patch, bitwise stuff inclusive |
| 09:52 | <yorick> | but I guess I should only use numbers that are 2^*? |
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| 09:57 | <yorick> | one would like a close button on the OSK |
| 09:59 | <Rubidium> | and then 50% would complain that it does "the wrong thing" |
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| 10:00 | <yorick> | where can I configure the thing? |
| 10:01 | <Rubidium> | http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Keyboard |
| 10:02 | <@peter1138> | documentation :D |
| 10:02 | <yorick> | is there a GUI for it? |
| 10:02 | <yorick> | >:) |
| 10:03 | <Rubidium> | notepad, wordpad, kate, mousepad, gvim, ... |
| 10:04 | <yorick> | ... |
| 10:06 | <yorick> | doesn't the sign window have a close button aswell |
| 10:07 | <yorick> | with OK and cancel buttons? |
| 10:07 | <yorick> | I would also like to be able to disable it completely |
| 10:07 | <Rubidium> | why? |
| 10:08 | <Rubidium> | you do not have to click the textbox to type |
| 10:08 | <yorick> | 1.it takes up precious pixels 2. I have a normal keyboard |
| 10:08 | <@peter1138> | don't bring it up then |
| 10:08 | <yorick> | huh? |
| 10:09 | <Rubidium> | just make sure the window where the textbox is in is active, which it is by default |
| 10:09 | <Rubidium> | unless you first click another window |
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| 10:14 | <yorick> | hmm |
| 10:16 | <yorick> | if (HasBit(changetype, NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_NICK)) {, NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_NICK = 1, NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_ALL = NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_NICK | NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_LANGUAGE,NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_LANGUAGE = 2, send_uint8(NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_NICK) |
| 10:16 | <yorick> | and it fails to check with that |
| 10:17 | <SmatZ> | yorick: HasBit uses bit index, use '0' or HASBITS |
| 10:17 | <SmatZ> | or simple & |
| 10:18 | <Rubidium> | it doesn't even look like something parseable by me |
| 10:18 | <yorick> | true |
| 10:18 | <yorick> | it's copied from different locations |
| 10:19 | <yorick> | :o thanks SmatZ |
| 10:24 | <yorick> | wasn't it DaleStan who said something about features stuffed in your face? |
| 10:24 | <yorick> | I think the OSK is one of those if you can't even disable it |
| 10:24 | <Dominik> | you have to enable it by clicking on it |
| 10:25 | <yorick> | but it is there before you've clicked on it |
| 10:25 | <Dominik> | no, it only appears when you click on the editbox |
| 10:25 | <SmatZ> | you can't disable trams, drive-through road stops, more airports, newgrfs... but you do not have to use it :) |
| 10:25 | <yorick> | I just want the possibility of having the old editboxes back |
| 10:26 | <yorick> | SmatZ: they don't have a seperate window or you have to enable a grf for it |
| 10:26 | <SmatZ> | rail conversion |
| 10:26 | <Dominik> | did you even compile latest svn before complaining? |
| 10:26 | <yorick> | yes |
| 10:26 | <Dominik> | everything is as it used to be, unless you click on the black editbox |
| 10:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12429 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_event_types.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: CloneCrashedVehicle isn't implemented yet, so mark it as such |
| 10:27 | <yorick> | yes, but when I do that, a whole new window appears |
| 10:27 | <Dominik> | correct |
| 10:27 | <yorick> | while a new patch option on the interface tab would have been just fine |
| 10:28 | <yorick> | I don't need ugly grey windows with a whole keyboard in my sight just to type... |
| 10:28 | <SmatZ> | yorick: why are you clicking on the editbox anyway? |
| 10:28 | <Dominik> | and when i click on the Newgrf menu a whole new window opens even though i don't ever use newgrfs |
| 10:28 | <yorick> | because I need to edit it ;) |
| 10:28 | <SmatZ> | editbox is active once it is open |
| 10:28 | <SmatZ> | just type |
| 10:28 | <yorick> | but then you have to drag over a whole menu, and such |
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| 10:29 | <Dominik> | in OpenTTD only one editbox has focus at one time. there's no need to click on them |
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| 10:30 | <Dominik> | but i did think about making them clickable for non-osk users. in that case the cursor should jump to the location clicked |
| 10:30 | <yorick> | yes |
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| 10:31 | <yorick> | hmm...I might merge PACKET_CLIENT_SET_PASSWORD into PACKET_CLIENT_SET_INFO aswell |
| 10:32 | <Dominik> | but that's not how it used to be. in TTD the editboxes have never been clickable in any way |
| 10:32 | <Dominik> | anyway, i gotta go. my GF is waiting at the cinema. cya all |
| 10:32 | <SmatZ> | bye Dominik |
| 10:32 | <yorick> | k, bye |
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| 11:16 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12430 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: safeguard, don't allow AI_Event calls to players that are not AIs |
| 11:17 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12431 /branches/noai/ (9 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AIEventSubsidiaryOffer, which keeps you informed about new Subsidiaries |
| 11:24 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: belugas * r12432 /branches/0.6/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [0.6] -Change: Update documentation for release of RC1 |
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| 11:30 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12433 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_event_types.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix r12431: cast values to avoid warnings (tnx glx) |
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| 11:38 | <Sacro> | :o doubleslip penalties! :D |
| 11:39 | <@peter1138> | What? |
| 11:39 | <Sacro> | new YAPF |
| 11:39 | <Sacro> | err |
| 11:39 | <Sacro> | YAPP |
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| 11:54 | <Ammler> | will that problem with including newindustries after mapgeneration be fixed for release 0.6 ? |
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| 11:56 | <Rubidium> | uhm... no? |
| 11:56 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i kinda doubt that |
| 11:56 | <+glx> | the don't change grfs in running game thing? |
| 11:56 | <Rubidium> | isn't it said that changing newgrfs during games isn't supported and can only be used as it is now? |
| 11:56 | <Ammler> | glx: no |
| 11:57 | <Ammler> | if you take a scenario |
| 11:57 | <Ammler> | and inlclude GRFs there, you will have that problem too |
| 11:57 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | loading a scenario is "a running game" |
| 11:57 | <Ammler> | well then, yes |
| 11:58 | <Ammler> | but will/can that be fixed? |
| 11:58 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | anyway, i'd still suggest a "resetcargos" command |
| 11:59 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | Ammler: it might be "fixed", but it then might still not do what all users would expect, and certainly not in 0.6 |
| 12:00 | <Yorick> | <Eddi|zuHause3> anyway, i'd still suggest a "resetcargos" command <-- I agree |
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| 12:01 | <Yorick> | my bug report was closed, because I found out that the grf was added later, but I think it should have been changed to feature request with resetcargos command |
| 12:02 | <Ammler> | I would say, its a bug, because you don't get the red box |
| 12:02 | <Yorick> | I wasn the one that made the scenario |
| 12:02 | <Yorick> | the red box should say something about newcargos |
| 12:02 | <Celestar> | man Windows is really a miracle |
| 12:02 | <Yorick> | it is? |
| 12:03 | <Celestar> | how come that in Windows XP you cannot press a specific lever in Final Fantasy VII while it does work on 2000, NT4 and 98? |
| 12:03 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | ha ha ;) |
| 12:03 | <Yorick> | FLX has a problem with the gears lever sometimes :) |
| 12:04 | <Celestar> | I mean how on EARTH can you code an OS like that? |
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| 12:04 | <Yorick> | which means you lose the game because you can't use the landing gears |
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| 12:04 | <Celestar> | FLX? |
| 12:04 | <Ammler> | it shows a red warning box, but about breaking ottd |
| 12:04 | <Yorick> | *FSX |
| 12:04 | <Ammler> | not that it works but not as it should |
| 12:04 | <keyweed_> | if ( $game eq 'Final Fantasy VII' ) { $lever->Disable } |
| 12:04 | <Yorick> | hehe |
| 12:05 | <keyweed_> | it's near the random crash functionality |
| 12:05 | <Celestar> | :P |
| 12:05 | <Celestar> | windows.c:1 |
| 12:05 | <Yorick> | for the requirements: 'if $os eq 'WINXP') {$lever->disable} |
| 12:06 | <Celestar> | the game was released before XP, so I don't think that's the case :P |
| 12:06 | <Celestar> | http://www.bash.org/?847733 <= another windows miracle (= |
| 12:06 | <Rubidium> | if $os is not known ... |
| 12:06 | * | Celestar gets the feeling that he should run FFVII on wine |
| 12:07 | <keyweed_> | Celestar: or stick to openttd |
| 12:07 | * | Maedhros never managed to make that work |
| 12:07 | <Celestar> | Maedhros: what? FFVII, wine or FFVII on wine? |
| 12:08 | <Maedhros> | Celestar: FFVII with wine |
| 12:08 | <Yorick> | both? |
| 12:08 | <Maedhros> | i eventually gave up and bought a PS1 ;) |
| 12:08 | <Celestar> | it's also PRETTY interesting that without a patch, all video footage on XP appears upside-down |
| 12:08 | <Yorick> | :D |
| 12:08 | <Ammler> | if that bug won't be fixed, we need something like a save editor, else you can't play any existing scenario |
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| 12:08 | <Yorick> | what lever doesn't work? |
| 12:09 | <Celestar> | if ($codec eq 'Indeo' and $app eq 'ff7.exe') { $codec->display_upsidedown } |
| 12:09 | <Yorick> | = true |
| 12:09 | <Rubidium> | Celestar: what about clicking on the place where the level would be if the screen is upside down? |
| 12:09 | <Celestar> | Yorick: in Wutai, when Yuffie steals all your Materia |
| 12:09 | <Yorick> | pure genious |
| 12:09 | <+glx> | Ammler: you can play existing scenarii using the grfs used for it's creation |
| 12:09 | <Celestar> | Rubidium: i've tried turing the monitor by 180°, no help :P |
| 12:10 | <Rubidium> | you should flip it |
| 12:10 | <Ammler> | glx: but since newindustries, you might like to use them too |
| 12:10 | <Rubidium> | not rotate |
| 12:10 | <+glx> | Ammler: then create a new scenario |
| 12:10 | <Celestar> | Rubidium: maybe I should try to turn the plug by 180? |
| 12:10 | <Celestar> | Maedhros: the problem is, my FFvII is the 'Windows' version |
| 12:10 | <Ammler> | that was meant with "can't play existing scenario" |
| 12:11 | <Celestar> | Maedhros: which basically seems to be a badly written PS1 emulator |
| 12:11 | <Maedhros> | Celestar: well yes, i had to buy the PS1 version of FFVII too, but it was worth it :) |
| 12:11 | <Yorick> | wine doesn even have one |
| 12:11 | <Celestar> | Maedhros: FFVII works just fine here. |
| 12:11 | <Celestar> | er |
| 12:11 | <Celestar> | FFVIII I mean |
| 12:11 | <+glx> | Celestar: try changing compatibility mode |
| 12:11 | <Maedhros> | what i found fascinating was that the translation was worse in the PC version than the PlayStation version |
| 12:11 | <Celestar> | glx: yeah, I'm just TRYING to find that damn option |
| 12:11 | <Maedhros> | despite the fact that the PC version came afterwards |
| 12:12 | <Yorick> | right click -> properties ->compatibility options? |
| 12:12 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | start winecfg, and change the version in the dropdown box... err :p |
| 12:12 | <Celestar> | find it :P |
| 12:12 | <Celestar> | found it :P |
| 12:12 | <Ammler> | glx: the problem is also, you need to know exactly which newindustries you like to use before starting editing scenario |
| 12:12 | <Celestar> | but now I have to restart from my last save point (= |
| 12:12 | <Yorick> | argh...xchat is buggy |
| 12:13 | <Ammler> | you don't have such problems, with other GRFs |
| 12:13 | <Yorick> | it only redraws the screen partially if it lost focus, and crashes when trying to minimize to tray |
| 12:13 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i have other problems... there is a nice looking civ4 mod where serviceable city radius changes with culture levels |
| 12:13 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | but it crashes when you found a city |
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| 12:14 | <Celestar> | Eddi|zuHause3: you can debug it :) |
| 12:14 | * | Celestar loves CIV4:BTS |
| 12:14 | <Yorick> | you're all talking offtopic, bad all! offtopic should go into #? |
| 12:14 | * | Celestar sticks Yorick into #? |
| 12:15 | * | keyweed_ pushes Yorick into @ |
| 12:15 | <Yorick> | chatting with a bot becomes boring after a while |
| 12:15 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | in the ~6 months that i have BTS now, i managed to play through 2 games ;) |
| 12:15 | <Celestar> | depends on the bot. |
| 12:15 | <Celestar> | Eddi|zuHause3: Huge/Marathon? ;) |
| 12:15 | <Yorick> | try him out, in #? :) |
| 12:15 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | yeah ;) |
| 12:16 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | actually, the second one was smaller |
| 12:16 | <Celestar> | Eddi|zuHause3: I've quit using Huge maps. I don't like my ships to take half a century to cross a smallish ocean :P |
| 12:16 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i had to abandon some games because it became unstable |
| 12:16 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | so i don't use huge anymore |
| 12:16 | <Celestar> | Eddi|zuHause3: Huge/Marathon doesn't work on my 1GB machine, only the 2GB one. |
| 12:17 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | well, the unstableness might be wine related |
| 12:17 | <Celestar> | Civ4 works on wine for you? :o |
| 12:17 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | but i don't have a high end machine |
| 12:17 | <De_Ghosty> | u need 4 gb of ram |
| 12:18 | <Celestar> | it's the only real reason for which I keep my XP installation on my lappy |
| 12:18 | <De_Ghosty> | and a geforce 9800 |
| 12:18 | <De_Ghosty> | to play open ttd |
| 12:18 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | yeah, it works on some versions of wine |
| 12:18 | <Celestar> | only that neither XP nor Civ can use 4Gb of ram. |
| 12:18 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | with a few minor issues |
| 12:18 | <Yorick> | make forgot running strgen :o |
| 12:18 | <Celestar> | glx: bad news, the level doesn't work in compatibility mode either :P |
| 12:18 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | you have to configure it correctly, else the terrain or the ressources turn black |
| 12:19 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | and i can't use vertex shaders, because it says "is not supported by hardware" |
| 12:19 | * | Celestar found an unoffical patch |
| 12:19 | <SpComb> | OpenTTD vertex shaders? |
| 12:20 | <Celestar> | yah :) |
| 12:20 | <Celestar> | :P |
| 12:20 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | De_Ghosty: i have a Radeon 9700, does that count? :p |
| 12:21 | <Celestar> | De_Ghosty: you're right. my OpenGL version runs only a 256x256 map on a 6600 properly :( |
| 12:21 | <Celestar> | De_Ghosty: but I plan to improve that (= |
| 12:23 | <Celestar> | I wish I had motivation to continue that version :( |
| 12:24 | <@peter1138> | my opengl version runs okay |
| 12:24 | <Celestar> | peter1138: I mean full OpenGL |
| 12:24 | <@peter1138> | could do with not using floats |
| 12:24 | <Celestar> | http://www.fvfischer.de/ottdgl2.png |
| 12:24 | <@peter1138> | it is full opengl |
| 12:25 | <Celestar> | no sprites? |
| 12:25 | <Celestar> | free-fly camera? |
| 12:25 | * | Celestar hides |
| 12:25 | <@peter1138> | opengl has surfaces and textures... |
| 12:25 | <@peter1138> | that it was only used for drawing 2d does not mean it's not proper opengl |
| 12:25 | <Celestar> | true |
| 12:26 | <Celestar> | but I was toying around with a full 3d version at some point |
| 12:26 | <@peter1138> | (nvidia's guidelines for switching from dga say 'use opengl', heh) |
| 12:26 | <@peter1138> | anyway, my opengl driver fails due to our multithreading |
| 12:27 | <Celestar> | LOL |
| 12:27 | <@peter1138> | trying to load textures in two threads is bad ;) |
| 12:27 | <Celestar> | there's an enthusiast patch for FFVII that re-enables the lever |
| 12:27 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | "multithreading"? |
| 12:27 | <Celestar> | peter1138: yeah, kind of (= |
| 12:28 | <Celestar> | gah damn lever was a trap anyways :P |
| 12:28 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | haha :p |
| 12:29 | <@peter1138> | Eddi|zuHause3: yeah, map generation is a separate thread |
| 12:29 | <Celestar> | but you had to press it to continue. |
| 12:29 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | peter1138: yeah, but how should that interfere with graphics? |
| 12:29 | <@peter1138> | well, let's just say our sprite system is a bit retarded |
| 12:30 | <@peter1138> | the map generator creates smoke 'vehicles', and needs the sprite dimensions of those |
| 12:30 | <Rubidium> | then unretard it! |
| 12:30 | <@peter1138> | currently the only way to get the dimensions is to load the sprite |
| 12:30 | <@peter1138> | Rubidium, yeah |
| 12:32 | <Celestar> | ReadSpriteDimensionsWithoutLoading(); ? |
| 12:36 | <Celestar> | Sprite->Load(false); :P |
| 12:43 | <nicfer> | multiclimate world + 14 players patch + 60 clients patch + a patch that makes the city growth cargo transported based instead of number of stations based + better savegame compression + big maps = MMOTTD |
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| 12:45 | <@peter1138> | Celestar: possible... |
| 12:45 | <@peter1138> | Celestar, it just uses GetSprite() currently |
| 12:46 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r12435 /trunk/src/lang/brazilian_portuguese.txt: -Fix: do not remove the case from the Brazilian Portuguese translation while it is still in use. |
| 12:46 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r12434 /tags/0.6.0-RC1/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Release: 0.6.0-RC1. |
| 12:47 | <Rubidium> | :O CIA did a great job again in bringing us up to date in reverse order |
| 12:47 | <Digitalfox> | RC1, great =0 |
| 12:47 | <@Belugas> | yeah... must be running on a window system :S |
| 12:47 | <Yorick> | yaay |
| 12:47 | <Digitalfox> | nice work :) |
| 12:47 | <Rubidium> | and still no servers with RC1 :( |
| 12:48 | <Rubidium> | that dissapoints me |
| 12:48 | <@peter1138> | heh |
| 12:48 | * | Yorick is compiling |
| 12:48 | * | Rubidium is doing it for the second time ;) |
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| 12:51 | <Celestar> | Rubidium: after TWO minutes? :P |
| 12:52 | <Rubidium> | Celestar: yes :) |
| 12:52 | <Celestar> | Rubidium: that's because you haven't updated the homepage yet :P |
| 12:52 | <Rubidium> | that's because a lot of people didn't upload the binaries yet |
| 12:52 | <Rubidium> | and because SF is slow as hell *again* |
| 12:53 | * | glx is compiling winXX |
| 12:53 | <Celestar> | what the FSCK does XP's compatiblity switch do? |
| 12:54 | <Celestar> | I mean that's like having a "enable 2.6.20 compatibility" in a 2.6.21 kernel :S |
| 12:54 | <Rubidium> | disable freeing of memory and such |
| 12:54 | <Celestar> | Rubidium: in case some fucked up program reads after a free(); ? |
| 12:55 | <Rubidium> | yeah, like Sim City |
| 12:55 | <Celestar> | ? |
| 12:55 | <Celestar> | dunno SC in windows. |
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| 12:55 | * | Belugas takes care of the www.OpenTTD.org main page as we speak |
| 12:56 | <Celestar> | hm.. do we get an RC1 annoucement in the forum? |
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| 12:56 | <@peter1138> | Gah |
| 12:56 | <Celestar> | Rubidium: Sim City did read/write after a free(); or what? |
| 12:56 | <@peter1138> | Getting sprite dimensions is fairly well tied into sprite loading :( |
| 12:57 | * | Celestar hands peter1138 some scissors |
| 12:57 | * | Celestar takes the scissors away and gives him wire cutters instead |
| 12:58 | <@peter1138> | No, I've given up. |
| 12:58 | <Celestar> | :P |
| 12:58 | <Rubidium> | Celestar: search for SimCity in http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html and read that paragraph |
| 12:58 | * | Belugas grabs the scissors from Celestar's hands and give him a RC1 announcement pencil for the forums ;) |
| 12:59 | <SmatZ> | :-) |
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| 13:00 | <SmatZ> | They reported this to the Windows developers, who disassembled SimCity, stepped through it in a debugger, found the bug, and added special code that checked if SimCity was running, ... |
| 13:00 | <SmatZ> | how great it would be if one could simply fix that and recompile... |
| 13:01 | <dih> | hello LA |
| 13:01 | <LordAzamath> | hello |
| 13:01 | <Rubidium> | SmatZ: but how get the fix to the users? |
| 13:02 | <SmatZ> | Rubidium: you can force recompile while upgrading windows... |
| 13:02 | <SmatZ> | I am rather used to it, running Gentoo :) |
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| 13:07 | <Digitalfox> | Rubidium: I just readu the APIWAR and one of this days i had a client with some problems on his windows xp, and after messing the registry i did find applications compability rules that the client didn't have installed or have ever used.. So now that makes sence.. |
| 13:08 | <Digitalfox> | Didn't know that there where rules for some applications already by default in windows.. Always thought it was generic ones.. |
| 13:16 | <Yorick> | I missed LA :( |
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| 13:21 | <ln> | what do you say about this code: https://verkkopankki.sampopankki.fi/html/js/logofunctionsdefault.js |
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| 13:21 | <Digitalfox> | The strange thing about the APIWAR is that in MCSE no one told us about this compability rules in registry and i was teach by microsoft workers.. So i guess it's things they don't want to talk about :\ |
| 13:22 | <Yorick> | try at #javascript? |
| 13:22 | <@peter1138> | taught |
| 13:22 | <ln> | Yorick: why? |
| 13:22 | <@Belugas> | ln, it's pretty badly written... |
| 13:22 | <@Belugas> | i feel claustrophobic reading it |
| 13:22 | <Yorick> | just becaue I'm away again |
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| 13:23 | <ln> | it's written for a big Danish bank. |
| 13:23 | <@Belugas> | so? they like been claustrophobic? |
| 13:23 | <YOYO> | !openttd port |
| 13:23 | <@Belugas> | what do you think you're doing YOYO? |
| 13:24 | <YOYO> | well was reading on the forum about a port problem and there it said there should be a cmd on IRC like this giving me the info |
| 13:24 | <@DorpsGek> | peter1138: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) |
| 13:24 | <YOYO> | but apperently it doesnt :) |
| 13:25 | <YOYO> | ah |
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| 13:25 | <ln> | YOYO: missing apostrophe. english please. |
| 13:26 | <ln> | Belugas: would you keep your money in such a bank? |
| 13:26 | <YOYO> | strange it still doesnt work even though the ports are ok |
| 13:26 | <Sacro> | ln: Missing capitalisation, English please. |
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| 13:26 | <@Belugas> | ln, nevar |
| 13:27 | <@Belugas> | too far from home :P |
| 13:27 | <@Belugas> | lol |
| 13:29 | <YOYO> | Ok what am i doing wrong.. Upd and tcp 3979 are open for inbound traffic and 3978 is open for outbound but still the server doesnt show up in the master list. Wireshark recieves his call but reports it cant access the port. |
| 13:29 | <@Belugas> | but on the other hand, ln, i doubt any bank will let you see its code, in order for you to make the decision to use this bank as your s:D |
| 13:29 | <Yorick> | server_advertise on? |
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| 13:29 | <YOYO> | yep like i said wireshark reports back it cant access the port |
| 13:30 | <Rubidium> | not wireshark, but some computer in your network |
| 13:30 | <ln> | Belugas: but that code is on the bank's web page, and i'm glad i'm not a customer of that bank. |
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| 13:31 | <YOYO> | well it says it cant reach the port.... and i just dunno which one and why |
| 13:31 | <ln> | try airplanes instead of ships. |
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| 13:33 | <Apollo15> | lol |
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| 13:33 | <YOYO> | In tries to be funny? |
| 13:33 | <@peter1138> | Hilarious. |
| 13:33 | <Cablegunmaster> | no in i has joined the channel in it works |
| 13:34 | <Cablegunmaster> | :) |
| 13:34 | <Cablegunmaster> | i has made irc work XD |
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| 13:44 | <YOYO> | if i put this in iptables this should be ok right? iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 3979 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:44 | <YOYO> | same goes for the tcp thingy ofcourse |
| 13:45 | <YOYO> | now why keeps my linux machine refusing it? |
| 13:45 | <+glx> | @op |
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| 13:45 | <@glx> | @deop |
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| 13:51 | <Cablegunmaster> | hello! |
| 13:51 | <Cablegunmaster> | is it me youre looking for? |
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| 13:59 | <dih> | :-) |
| 14:00 | <Yorick> | ...I just wonder where you are...I just wonder what you do |
| 14:00 | <Yorick> | Cablegunmaster : do I know you? |
| 14:00 | <Yorick> | yes, probably ^ |
| 14:02 | <Cablegunmaster> | ^^? |
| 14:02 | <Cablegunmaster> | well im from fok.nl |
| 14:03 | <Yorick> | ah, then you're the one I know :) |
| 14:03 | <Cablegunmaster> | no shit sherlock ^^ |
| 14:03 | <Yorick> | welcome on the openttd IRC channel |
| 14:03 | <Cablegunmaster> | im the only one with this name :) |
| 14:04 | <Cablegunmaster> | nobody ever came up with this ridiculous stupide name |
| 14:04 | <Yorick> | I can imagine why someway |
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| 14:11 | <Cablegunmaster> | hahaha |
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