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| 02:53 | <Tefad> | po. |
| 02:53 | <Tefad> | and by fucked up i mean is too busy swapping memory on/off disk. |
| 02:53 | <Tefad> | sill 640MB.. |
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| 03:38 | <Celestar> | morning |
| 03:39 | <Forked> | urgl |
| 03:40 | <peter1138> | Yarly |
| 03:40 | <Celestar> | peter1138: you got a sec? :) |
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| 03:47 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | *yawn* |
| 03:51 | <peter1138> | A moment, yes |
| 03:56 | <Celestar> | peter1138: you were talking about code duplication in the newgrf_ports, right? |
| 03:56 | <peter1138> | Mmm |
| 03:56 | <Celestar> | Mmm means yes or no? :P |
| 03:58 | <Celestar> | damn. meeting. be back in 2hours |
| 03:59 | <peter1138> | Vaguely |
| 04:00 | <peter1138> | I mentioned it but haven't looked in depth. |
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| 06:03 | <Celestar> | back |
| 06:03 | <Celestar> | phew |
| 06:07 | <larsemil> | that was exactly two hours.. you know your meetings. :) |
| 06:07 | <Celestar> | I do :) |
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| 06:10 | <RichK67> | hi |
| 06:13 | <Celestar> | hi :) |
| 06:13 | <Celestar> | back in 10 |
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| 06:24 | <Celestar> | (= |
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| 06:27 | <Draakon> | hi |
| 06:29 | <Celestar> | peter1138: ping |
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| 06:36 | <Celestar> | googleearth |
| 06:36 | <Celestar> | ./googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libldap-2.3.so.0: undefined symbol: SSL_CTX_set_info_callback |
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| 06:39 | <Tefad> | nice. |
| 06:40 | <peter1138> | Pong. |
| 06:45 | <Celestar> | so can we set up a roadmap for newgrf_ports? ;) |
| 06:50 | <RichK67> | you can set one up... but I drive a tank, and dont exactly keep to the roads ;) |
| 06:50 | <Celestar> | lol |
| 06:54 | <peter1138> | Hmm |
| 06:55 | <Celestar> | RichK67: you've add ACtion0fsmstation, right? |
| 06:55 | <peter1138> | 4 months since beta1... |
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| 06:57 | <peter1138> | We ought to get RC1 out soon ;0 |
| 06:57 | <RichK67> | Action 0 FSMstation is Action 0 0D ... it has many similarities to stations, but enough differences that I feel a merge would be confusing... also, if i just reused Action 0 04, then we would have to add code to all the new station stuff to exclude airports, ports, road FSM stations, etc. |
| 06:59 | <Celestar> | isn'T 0D platform length? |
| 06:59 | <peter1138> | feature 0D, not property, i assume |
| 06:59 | <Celestar> | er wait |
| 06:59 | <Celestar> | sorry |
| 06:59 | <RichK67> | not prop 0D, Action 0 feature 0D |
| 06:59 | <RichK67> | :) |
| 07:00 | <Celestar> | Action 0 feature 0D |
| 07:00 | <Celestar> | oh .. |
| 07:00 | <Celestar> | 0D for airports (No official properties) |
| 07:00 | <Celestar> | this one, right? |
| 07:00 | <RichK67> | yup - since it had already been assigned to airports, it seemed sensible to use it |
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| 07:00 | <Celestar> | I concur. |
| 07:00 | <Celestar> | do we have ANY documentation of "Action 0 feature 0D" |
| 07:01 | <Celestar> | ah ... so "Action 0 Feature 04 Prop 0D" is "selectable station length" ? |
| 07:01 | * | RichK67 coughs, while pointing to the NewGRF_ports branch ;) |
| 07:02 | <RichK67> | spec version 8/9 (cant remember) is in the root directory of a checkout |
| 07:02 | <Celestar> | there's some doc file :P |
| 07:02 | <Celestar> | in the docs/ |
| 07:03 | <Celestar> | enlighten me, why do props (generally) start with 08 ? |
| 07:04 | <RichK67> | there are some standard props in 01-07 IIRC |
| 07:04 | <Celestar> | ah |
| 07:04 | <RichK67> | cant remember what atm |
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| 07:05 | <RichK67> | one thing that does need to go on a roadmap is for me to write a "how to create an FSM .grf" tutorial... |
| 07:10 | <Celestar> | omg |
| 07:10 | <Celestar> | this is complicated :P |
| 07:11 | <RichK67> | it is much simpler if you have the commented version of the small airport in front of you as you read it; airports_basic.nfo |
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| 07:12 | <Celestar> | looking |
| 07:13 | <Celestar> | the "mini pic" is for the GUI? |
| 07:13 | <RichK67> | yes... compile the branch and take a look; its a preview pic |
| 07:14 | <Celestar> | already doing so ;)( |
| 07:16 | <RichK67> | i thought it important to have, since there could be many 3x4 tile designs, and it will give instant feedback as to what you are getting |
| 07:17 | <Celestar> | I get warnings :P |
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| 07:20 | <RichK67> | probably - i dont, but VC8 doesnt always warn as much as gc++ |
| 07:21 | <Celestar> | hey it rocks :) |
| 07:22 | <RichK67> | cool |
| 07:23 | <TheJosh> | whats the current discussion? |
| 07:23 | <Celestar> | TheJosh: newgrf_ports |
| 07:23 | <RichK67> | i got it a long way along, but then lost all momentum over animation and Munich |
| 07:23 | <TheJosh> | and newgrf_ports is? |
| 07:24 | <RichK67> | if you want some real fun, add realworldairports.grf, and build a san francisco, and then let her rip |
| 07:24 | <Celestar> | RichK67: how's the rotation done? |
| 07:24 | <TheJosh> | converting all the oldgrf things to newgrf? (and therefore a fully independent openttd?) |
| 07:24 | <Celestar> | SFO is cool |
| 07:24 | <Celestar> | TheJosh: newgrf-based airports |
| 07:24 | <TheJosh> | right |
| 07:24 | <RichK67> | Celestar: very simply.... the only thing you need to tell it is what graphics to place |
| 07:24 | <Ammller> | TheJosh: you spoke about OpenGFX :-) |
| 07:25 | <Celestar> | 3 * 9~.. 07 8B 04 \7< 02 0A DC 00 00 |
| 07:25 | <Maedhros> | mmm, i love pbs |
| 07:25 | <Celestar> | what kind of encoding is \7< ? |
| 07:25 | <RichK67> | the rotation is simple maths (the FSM is identical in any orientation... and the maths handles the translation of coordinates) |
| 07:25 | <Maedhros> | i can finally get away with station layouts like http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/pbs.png :-D |
| 07:26 | <Celestar> | we've got working PBS? |
| 07:26 | <RichK67> | Celestar: [bollocks on] NFO is a language you know... [bollocks off] .... \7< is the instruction for less than in one of their equation thingies |
| 07:26 | <Maedhros> | Celestar: \7< is an escape sequence for grfcodec - http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action7 (condition-type section) |
| 07:27 | <Celestar> | uh huh |
| 07:27 | <Celestar> | ok |
| 07:27 | <TheJosh> | Maedhros: have you seen my latest patch? |
| 07:28 | <Maedhros> | TheJosh: which one's that? |
| 07:28 | <TheJosh> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36627 |
| 07:28 | <TheJosh> | the first patch of improved shares |
| 07:28 | <RichK67> | Celestar: yes, the airports are effectively PBS... you define the path across the airport, and it will reserve it if it can. if it cant, it will wait, or do other things depending on the coding |
| 07:29 | <Celestar> | RichK67: the "PBS" question was meant for Maedhros (= |
| 07:29 | <RichK67> | Celestar: so aircraft cannot bump on airports - ever |
| 07:29 | <RichK67> | okies :) |
| 07:29 | <Celestar> | RichK67: ok I'll have a check on the code |
| 07:30 | <Maedhros> | Celestar: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107 -- it seems to be working pretty well so far :) |
| 07:30 | <Maedhros> | TheJosh: ah, yeah, i have seen that one |
| 07:31 | <TheJosh> | Thoughts? |
| 07:31 | <Celestar> | so, is it working? ;) |
| 07:32 | <Maedhros> | TheJosh: i haven't looked at the code, and since i've never seriously played multiplayer, i've never really been interested in shares ;) |
| 07:32 | <TheJosh> | most people arnt because they are often turned off |
| 07:33 | <TheJosh> | but the plan with improved shares is to make it so you cant share cheat then they can be turned on |
| 07:34 | <Celestar> | RichK67: so, what effectively needs doing for newgrf_ports (Apart from adding features of course)? ;) |
| 07:34 | <Celestar> | animations? |
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| 07:39 | <RichK67> | animations, a firm decision about original/new graphics.... these to me are the critical commit stoppers |
| 07:40 | <RichK67> | all the current airports work as advertised |
| 07:40 | <Gonozal_VIII> | new graphics |
| 07:41 | <RichK67> | on graphics: i have coded airportsbasic.grf to use the default graphics for the small, heliport, and large airport. airporsextended has the new airports - and these use skidd13's graphics, without reference to the default |
| 07:42 | <RichK67> | this means that any graphics replacement .grf that changes the default gfx will only change the small, large, and heliport |
| 07:42 | <RichK67> | ie. TTDP compatability is maintained |
| 07:43 | <Gonozal_VIII> | nobody cares about ttdp^^ |
| 07:43 | <Celestar> | ^^ |
| 07:43 | <ln> | nor big brother |
| 07:44 | * | Maedhros must be nobody, then |
| 07:44 | <Gonozal_VIII> | you care about big brother :O |
| 07:44 | <Gonozal_VIII> | kick him! |
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| 07:56 | <ln> | Gonozal_VIII: i don't. |
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| 08:02 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but nobody does! :O |
| 08:05 | <ln> | that's nobody's problem. |
| 08:13 | <Celestar> | so Maedhros' problem |
| 08:13 | <peter1138> | PBS ROCKS |
| 08:13 | <Celestar> | commit commit :P |
| 08:14 | <peter1138> | BRANCH FIRST |
| 08:14 | <peter1138> | (for 0.6) |
| 08:14 | <Celestar> | true |
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| 08:28 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: skidd13 * r12381 /trunk/src/ (8 files): |
| 08:28 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: -Fix [FS1835] [FS1535] (r11855): The number of houses wasn't computed right. A |
| 08:28 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: few other things regaring the updating had to be changed. Big thanks for support |
| 08:28 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: to frosch123 and SmatZ, to name just a few. (Inspired by a patch of bilbo) |
| 08:36 | <TheJosh> | me off |
| 08:36 | <TheJosh> | nite all |
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| 08:38 | <Celestar> | ok I'll have a look at some of the bug reports |
| 08:39 | <Celestar> | any suggestions what I should try to fix first? |
| 08:41 | <Noldo> | the ones with High |
| 08:41 | <Celestar> | there are none :P |
| 08:42 | <Noldo> | really? |
| 08:43 | <Noldo> | wow |
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| 08:47 | <peter1138> | We close those ones straight away as "not a bug" |
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| 10:48 | <antihcl> | can you destroy only a signal without destroying the track it's on? |
| 10:48 | <+glx> | yes |
| 10:48 | <+glx> | use the remove tool |
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| 10:53 | <antihcl> | oh, durrr me. thanks |
| 10:53 | <ln> | antihcl: "it's" -> "its" |
| 10:55 | <antihcl> | no it isn't |
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| 10:55 | <antihcl> | "it's" is a contraction for "it is" |
| 10:55 | <phin> | antihcl: you are correct |
| 10:55 | <antihcl> | its is possessive |
| 10:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ln is teh wrongings |
| 10:56 | <phin> | bet he feels pretty stupid now. seeing as he felt all proud to point out something, incorrectly |
| 10:56 | <phin> | heh |
| 10:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i'm sure he's crying right now |
| 10:57 | <phin> | heh |
| 10:57 | <phin> | should've just let it be |
| 10:57 | <RichK67> | it's a possibility |
| 10:57 | <phin> | its frickin' irc! |
| 10:57 | <phin> | IT'S!!!!!! |
| 10:57 | <phin> | heh |
| 10:57 | <ln> | it was just an arrow. |
| 10:58 | <phin> | the inevitable "backpedal" |
| 10:58 | <RichK67> | i'm feeling much better now |
| 10:59 | <antihcl> | haha |
| 10:59 | <phin> | im feeling like i should get up on a little online opentdd |
| 10:59 | <phin> | openttd |
| 10:59 | <phin> | never tried it out that way |
| 11:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm ln- is missing |
| 11:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | maybe that's the reason for his failure |
| 11:01 | <peter1138> | Let's call him 1n just to annoy :D |
| 11:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | In :-) |
| 11:02 | <Gonozal_VIII> | (that was "in") |
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| 11:02 | <In> | :-) |
| 11:02 | -!- | mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ |
| 11:02 | <Celestar> | peter1138: got a sec? |
| 11:02 | <@peter1138> | What now? :P |
| 11:03 | <Celestar> | :P |
| 11:03 | <Celestar> | C++ question |
| 11:03 | <Celestar> | got a class "foo". Some of the member functions have a parameter of type "foo". How do I do this? |
| 11:03 | <@peter1138> | class foo; |
| 11:03 | <antihcl> | phin: it's fun :) |
| 11:03 | <antihcl> | I always pause too much in single player, it prevents me from doing it |
| 11:04 | <@peter1138> | before the real class foo { } |
| 11:04 | <@peter1138> | Oh, and they're pointer types, I hope |
| 11:04 | <Celestar> | yeah :P |
| 11:04 | <Celestar> | but it doesn't work for some crappy reason :( |
| 11:04 | <Celestar> | I tried |
| 11:04 | <In> | you mean the stuff that every list or tree has? |
| 11:05 | <Celestar> | yeah |
| 11:05 | <In> | can't be so complicated... |
| 11:05 | <Celestar> | I thought so too :P |
| 11:05 | <Celestar> | .... |
| 11:05 | <Celestar> | cyclic includes |
| 11:06 | <In> | oh noes, includes |
| 11:06 | <@peter1138> | In, change back :p |
| 11:06 | <In> | why?^^ |
| 11:06 | <@peter1138> | ~ ChanServ set +o peter1138 on #openttd |
| 11:06 | -!- | In is now known as Gonozal_VIII |
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| 11:07 | <Gonozal_VIII> | you're no fun :P |
| 11:07 | <@peter1138> | I know. |
| 11:08 | <ln> | this channel is not about fun. |
| 11:08 | <antihcl> | phin: also, in single player I'm always tempted to restart the game when things go wrong.. it's better if you don't :) |
| 11:09 | <Gonozal_VIII> | then what is this channel about? |
| 11:10 | <ln> | English. |
| 11:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | you wrote "this" instead of "This" :P |
| 11:12 | <ln> | C++ is case-sensitive. |
| 11:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i'm not |
| 11:13 | <ln> | 17:11 < Gonozal_VIII> you wrote "this" instead of "This" :P <-- seems like you are. |
| 11:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | you said that it's about english :P |
| 11:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | if you think so, then do it right ;-) |
| 11:15 | <ln> | says a woman without a realname set. |
| 11:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | woman :S |
| 11:17 | <ln> | how the hell am i supposed to know your gender if you don't have a realname set. |
| 11:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | because there are no females here? never... |
| 11:18 | <@Belugas> | false |
| 11:18 | <@Belugas> | there has been |
| 11:18 | <@Belugas> | although not very oftenly |
| 11:18 | <antihcl> | aaa I"m going bankrupt |
| 11:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i've only seen some spambots with female nicks |
| 11:18 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | jpeg or it didn't happen! :p |
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| 11:30 | <Draakon> | hi |
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| 11:32 | <@peter1138> | Bjarni scares them off |
| 11:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ? |
| 11:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | invisible bjarni? |
| 11:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | so he went from zombie to ghost :O |
| 11:34 | <ln> | implicit Bjarni? |
| 11:45 | <@Belugas> | rob zombie |
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| 12:00 | <ln> | Osai`off: no away nicks. |
| 12:02 | <hylej> | unconfigured bnc |
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| 12:08 | <Celestar> | HUNGRY |
| 12:08 | <hylej> | braaaaains |
| 12:08 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ha, i have food! |
| 12:08 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but it's all mine! |
| 12:09 | <hylej> | THEN YOU SHALL PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD |
| 12:09 | * | Celestar sneaks up behind Gonozal_VIII with a hugeass club |
| 12:09 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what's the exchange course from blood to euro? |
| 12:10 | <Gonozal_VIII> | behind me is a wall :P |
| 12:10 | * | Celestar emerges from the wall |
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| 12:11 | <yorick> | hello |
| 12:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | people can't do that :P |
| 12:11 | <hylej> | is Celestar people? |
| 12:11 | <Celestar> | who sais that I'm .... human? |
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| 12:17 | <yorick> | who created the #openttd.ChrisIN channel, never to have someone in it? |
| 12:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | who created the #? channel, never to have someone in it? |
| 12:21 | <+glx> | chanserv says "Channel masters: Chris82, Smoovious" |
| 12:21 | <yorick> | SmatZ did |
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| 12:56 | <antihcl> | hmm! can I transfer bus passengers over to a train? |
| 12:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes? |
| 12:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why not try before you ask? ;-) |
| 12:57 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: glx * r12382 /trunk/src/table/cargo_const.h: -Fix [FS#1864]: use 'items' unit for batteries, fizzy drinks, toys and bubbles in total cargo tab |
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| 12:58 | <@peter1138> | Yes, but two-way transfers are a go-no. |
| 12:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | somebody should really fix that.. |
| 12:58 | <@peter1138> | Post 0.6! |
| 12:58 | <@peter1138> | Branch! |
| 12:59 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | that's the new magic bullet now? |
| 12:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe |
| 12:59 | <@DorpsGek> | peter1138: Open Bugs: 24; Not assigned: 17; Closed this week: 10; Opened this week: 11 |
| 12:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | like new map array :-) |
| 12:59 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | "needs new map array" was kinda getting old ;) |
| 12:59 | <frosch123> | @branch 0.6 |
| 12:59 | <frosch123> | doesn't work :( |
| 12:59 | <@peter1138> | :o |
| 12:59 | <yorick> | @list openttd |
| 12:59 | <@DorpsGek> | yorick: bug, bugs, changed, commit, download, grf, grfs, info, port, ports, propset, servers, svn, thelog, and youngest |
| 13:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yorick is the youngest |
| 13:00 | <@DorpsGek> | Eddi|zuHause3: original grf files: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=3407 |
| 13:00 | <@DorpsGek> | Eddi|zuHause3: newgrf files: http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ |
| 13:00 | <@DorpsGek> | yorick: latest: r12382 |
| 13:00 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | err.. what? |
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| 13:00 | <yorick> | Gonozal_VIII is the youngest! |
| 13:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it did the command again.. |
| 13:01 | <yorick> | Gonozal_VIII == r12382 |
| 13:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | buuuug |
| 13:02 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | gtg |
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| 13:02 | <@peter1138> | What? |
| 13:03 | <Gonozal_VIII> | wat he wanted to say is g2g |
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| 13:43 | <dih> | :-) |
| 13:44 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hi polly |
| 13:44 | <dih> | hi Gonozi |
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| 14:12 | <fjb> | Hello |
| 14:12 | <@peter1138> | Hi |
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| 14:13 | <Wolf01> | hello |
| 14:13 | <fjb> | Hello Wolf01 |
| 14:13 | <@peter1138> | 9800 GX2 :o |
| 14:13 | <@peter1138> | Seems a bit overkill :o |
| 14:13 | <Wolf01> | yes :O |
| 14:14 | <@Belugas> | a man gatta do what a man gatta do |
| 14:15 | <fjb> | :-) |
| 14:15 | <Wolf01> | gatta? in Italy is the female cat :D |
| 14:16 | <@peter1138> | £240 motherboards :o |
| 14:16 | <@Belugas> | remove a T and it's the same as in spanish ;) |
| 14:16 | <@peter1138> | (Not server boards!) |
| 14:16 | <fjb> | What kind of board is that? |
| 14:16 | <@Belugas> | de doo doo doo de daa daa daa |
| 14:16 | <@peter1138> | NF790i Ultra... |
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| 14:18 | * | peter1138 still doesn't know which motherboard chipset is good for what i need |
| 14:18 | <fjb> | I don't know which board I would buy today. |
| 14:18 | <@peter1138> | there are too many |
| 14:18 | <fjb> | What do you need that computer for? |
| 14:18 | <@peter1138> | ottd :D |
| 14:18 | <fjb> | :-) |
| 14:19 | <fjb> | And which OS? |
| 14:19 | * | peter1138 does not want to overclock |
| 14:19 | <@peter1138> | ubuntu |
| 14:19 | * | fjb never overclocks. |
| 14:19 | <stillunknown> | nvidia chipsets tend to be power hungry and hot(ish). |
| 14:20 | <fjb> | Depends on the chipset. Sme are power hungry, others are not. |
| 14:20 | <@peter1138> | x38 is expensive |
| 14:20 | <@peter1138> | p31/p35 not |
| 14:20 | <fjb> | Latest AMD chipsets gave some trouble to open source OSs. |
| 14:20 | <@peter1138> | i guess iP35 is the general one to go for at the moment |
| 14:21 | <fjb> | Intel should be well supported by Linux. |
| 14:21 | <@peter1138> | but then each manufacturer lists millions of different boards with the same basic chipset |
| 14:21 | <fjb> | Take a board with passive chipset cooling. |
| 14:22 | <@peter1138> | Asus P5K, I wonder... |
| 14:22 | <antihcl> | I could overclock if I wanted to, but no need. My processor and mobo are cold like ice :P |
| 14:22 | <fjb> | The small chipset fans are crap. |
| 14:22 | <antihcl> | and I don't need to oc my video card because... I play openttd heh |
| 14:23 | <fjb> | :-) |
| 14:23 | <dih> | what are you smirkin at? |
| 14:23 | <fjb> | My Geforce 6600 is fast enough for all my games. |
| 14:24 | <antihcl> | peter1138: very very happy with my Asus P5K and core 2 duo e6550.. only thing that is really flaky is the onboard wireless, which I don't use |
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| 14:24 | <@peter1138> | I see 7 different P5Ks listed :( |
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| 14:24 | <+glx> | <fjb> Take a board with passive chipset cooling. <-- agreed, I have a fan for that and it's always over 6000RPM |
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| 14:25 | <fjb> | The small fans are making trouble sooner or later, sometimes out of the box. |
| 14:25 | <+glx> | peter1138: different options ;) |
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| 14:28 | <@peter1138> | Hmm, GA-P35-DS3L |
| 14:29 | <@peter1138> | Did Abit solve their capacitor problem? heh |
| 14:30 | <antihcl> | peter1138: with stock cooling at full load, I stay at max 52C on each core, and the cpu is rated for 72C |
| 14:30 | <antihcl> | and it's fast :D |
| 14:30 | <antihcl> | core 2 duo is whoopin up everything else right now |
| 14:30 | <antihcl> | peter1138: get the cheapest one :D |
| 14:30 | <antihcl> | they have options, like wifi and different sound chips and such |
| 14:30 | <antihcl> | the wifi is useless, everything else is great |
| 14:31 | <antihcl> | I'd either go with gigabit or asus, and asus in my opinion is better (and relatively cheap too) |
| 14:33 | <fjb> | peter1138: I just wated to mention that Gigabyte board. |
| 14:33 | <@peter1138> | Hmmm? |
| 14:34 | <fjb> | I was looking at some mainboard recomendations. nd that GA-P35-DS3L is one of them. |
| 14:34 | <fjb> | And it shouldn't be too expensive. |
| 14:36 | <@peter1138> | Gah, the E8300 is out of stock :( |
| 14:38 | <antihcl> | err. gigabyte haha |
| 14:38 | <@peter1138> | looking at graphics cards, 3 of Gigabyte's 8600 offerrings are fanless |
| 14:39 | <fjb> | That is good as long as you have a constant airflow in the casing. |
| 14:41 | <fjb> | Hm, GeForce 8600 GTS with passive cooling gives trouble, a 8600 GT is ok. |
| 14:43 | <@peter1138> | 512MB GDDR2 vs 256MB GDDR3... meh |
| 14:43 | <@peter1138> | i hate this stuff, heh |
| 14:44 | <antihcl> | only complaint with the gigabyte I bought my dad is that the IDE port is allll the way at the bottom of the board, which makes it impossible to connect his dvd drive to, other than that it's great |
| 14:44 | <antihcl> | buy an xbox :P |
| 14:44 | <@peter1138> | hah |
| 14:44 | <@peter1138> | got one |
| 14:44 | <fjb> | You need more memory as a texture buffer for 3D stuff. |
| 14:45 | <Prof_Frink> | Buy a thinkpad. |
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| 14:47 | <fjb> | What is the english term for Prozessorkühler? |
| 14:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | cpu fan? |
| 14:47 | <@Belugas> | Heat fan ? |
| 14:48 | <fjb> | Oh, thank you. :-) |
| 14:48 | <@Belugas> | processor cooler ? |
| 14:48 | <@Belugas> | heat sink? |
| 14:48 | <fjb> | Heat sink. |
| 14:48 | <fjb> | Thank you. |
| 14:48 | <Prof_Frink> | Liquid Nitrogen. |
| 14:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ^^ |
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| 14:48 | <fjb> | You should buy one where the fan is blowing down to the mainboard, not parallel to the mainboard. |
| 14:48 | <fjb> | :-) |
| 14:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | force field to stop the motion of the molecules :-) |
| 14:50 | <@peter1138> | now i have to convince myself it's a good idea to spend £330 |
| 14:50 | <Prof_Frink> | Oh, just get an Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:50 | <@peter1138> | no |
| 14:51 | <Gonozal_VIII> | order it from the usa, the dollar is extremely weak |
| 14:51 | <fjb> | It is a good idea, because it is good for thze chineese economy. :-) |
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| 14:53 | <Gonozal_VIII> | like 3 dollar per pound or something^^ |
| 14:53 | <@Belugas> | think of it this way, peter1138: what would you do with that money if not buying that brand new bomb ? |
| 14:54 | <Prof_Frink> | Belugas: Don't say that |
| 14:54 | <antihcl> | fjb: heatsink |
| 14:54 | <antihcl> | doh lag :) |
| 14:54 | <Prof_Frink> | £330 is a lot of beer. |
| 14:54 | <@Belugas> | Prof_Frink: i didn't said that, i wrote it ^_^ |
| 14:55 | <Prof_Frink> | Don't get sarky with me |
| 14:55 | <@peter1138> | Well, yeah, beer... |
| 14:55 | <@peter1138> | Or ... something I might need. |
| 14:55 | * | peter1138 is going home, without buying anything... |
| 14:56 | <Prof_Frink> | You could pay people's train fares for the ttmeet! |
| 14:56 | <@peter1138> | no |
| 14:57 | <hylej> | ottd sprint on wheels |
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| 14:58 | <fjb> | peter1138's new PC gets a "Recommended by #openttd" label. |
| 15:00 | <ln> | peter1138: google says people have bad experience with Asus P5K*. |
| 15:01 | <ln> | peter1138: I was considering P5KC when ordering a new computer, but then chose Gigabyte instead, which I'm still waiting for, damnit. |
| 15:02 | <SpComb> | HSF = Heat-sink-fan |
| 15:03 | <fjb> | Hm, HST = Heat Sink Train... |
| 15:03 | <SpComb> | nein |
| 15:03 | <+glx> | it's a ventirad |
| 15:05 | <fjb> | Sounds funny. |
| 15:09 | <yorick> | error: invalid conversion from `int' to `NetworkLanguage`... |
| 15:12 | <yorick> | if (client_lang >= NETWORK_NUM_LANGUAGES) client_lang = 0; triggers the error(added to DEF_SERVER_RECEIVE_COMMAND(PACKET_CLIENT_JOIN)) |
| 15:14 | <yorick> | while the exact same name works fine when done at DEF_CLIENT_RECEIVE_COMMAND(PACKET_SERVER_CLIENT_INFO) |
| 15:15 | <yorick> | " (NetworkLanguage)" (ah, that way :)) |
| 15:16 | <yorick> | and that basically means it HAS TO be inside that enum, which could be a slight problem with "NETLANG_COUNT" |
| 15:16 | <yorick> | I'll just remove (NetworkLanguage) there |
| 15:17 | <yorick> | ooh...talking to self ^^ |
| 15:17 | * | fjb is reading it, but does only know unhelpful answers. |
| 15:19 | <yorick> | how to compile without networking? |
| 15:20 | <fjb> | No, like: int is short for international language which is English. English is also the network language. So converting nglish to English is not useful. :-) |
| 15:21 | <Maedhros> | yorick: ./configure --disable-network, i'd imagine |
| 15:21 | <Maedhros> | oh, wait |
| 15:22 | * | fjb thinks yorick is counting compiling without networking as an unhelpful answer. :-) |
| 15:22 | <ln> | Das Längsprofil eines Flusses is nicht mit dem Tallängsschnitt identisch. -- Der Krater verschwindet immer mehr. |
| 15:22 | <ln> | +t |
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| 15:22 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what crater? |
| 15:23 | <ln> | *Der* crater. |
| 15:23 | <Prof_Frink> | My hovercraft is full of eels. |
| 15:23 | <yorick> | thanks Maedhros |
| 15:23 | <fjb> | Hovercraft wath the driving force of the FBI. :-) |
| 15:24 | <fjb> | was |
| 15:25 | <ln> | those two interesting sentences were from: Maull, Geomorphologie (1938). |
| 15:26 | <fjb> | Oh, you are implementing new river features? |
| 15:26 | <yorick> | who? |
| 15:26 | <fjb> | ln |
| 15:26 | <ln> | not that i know of, but if it helps someone, i can go on quoting random sentences from the book. |
| 15:27 | <yorick> | that's even called pollution |
| 15:27 | <Patrick`> | Prof_Frink: I would like to stroke your nipples |
| 15:27 | <ln> | the thing that i could possibly try next is either tram stops or countries. |
| 15:28 | <fjb> | Quoting random senntences from tram stops? |
| 15:29 | <yorick> | what exactly does tram stops mean? |
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| 15:32 | <ln> | yorick: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops4.png |
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| 15:32 | <jez9999> | hello |
| 15:33 | <yorick> | looks nice, ln |
| 15:33 | <fjb> | Cute island. |
| 15:33 | <yorick> | Trams shouldn't just stop on bus stops with tramrails on it, I think. Hello jez9999 |
| 15:33 | <ln> | yorick: sadly, it's an image manipulation, not an actual screenshot. but shows the point of tram stops. |
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| 15:35 | <Draakon> | hi |
| 15:35 | <yorick> | hello |
| 15:35 | <Gonozal_VIII> | bjarni ghost! |
| 15:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | or zombie again? |
| 15:36 | <fjb> | What is the TTDP newroutes thing? |
| 15:36 | <@Bjarni> | is that a trick question? |
| 15:36 | <yorick> | !Gonozal say Bjarni! |
| 15:36 | <ln> | Factorial(Bjarni) |
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| 15:38 | <dih> | Bjarni :-) |
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| 15:39 | <ln> | 21:38 <Belugas> warning : next time i see a non-english string of text from you on IRC, you'd get a kick. It's pretty frustrating to not been able to understand what's it all about. |
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| 15:39 | <ln> | 21:38 <Belugas> so... you are warned |
| 15:40 | <@Bjarni> | interesting |
| 15:40 | <@Bjarni> | what did you do this time? :) |
| 15:41 | <@peter1138> | fjb: mythical. |
| 15:41 | <yorick> | get yourself some logs, lord Bjarni _O_ |
| 15:41 | <ln> | Bjarni: only quoted a scientifical book. |
| 15:42 | <jez9999> | my 'auto upgrade vehicles in depot to new track type' patch is nearly ready to roll :-) |
| 15:42 | <@Bjarni> | yorick: you are my people... you should do as I tell you to and right now I told you to inform me of what happened while I was busy with what you would most likely want to do |
| 15:42 | <jez9999> | v0.1 |
| 15:42 | <fjb> | peter1138: Thank you. What shall it become if it ever gets real? I read something about new bridges where the bridge and the road or rail on it are separated. |
| 15:42 | <ln> | Belugas: rather than getting frustrated by foreign languages, it's easier to ignore such lines. saves your nerves, too. |
| 15:42 | <@Bjarni> | today I was inside a bogie |
| 15:42 | <ln> | Belugas: similarly, you hopefully don't go kicking tourists on the street if they speak something you don't understand. |
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| 15:43 | <jez9999> | ln: speak for yourself |
| 15:43 | <@Bjarni> | ln: I do :P |
| 15:43 | <yorick> | Maybe they do in his country...*hmm...how was it called?* |
| 15:44 | <@Bjarni> | Afghanistan? |
| 15:44 | <ln> | jez9999: what are you referring to, sir? |
| 15:44 | <yorick> | nah, they shoot at tourists there |
| 15:45 | <@peter1138> | fjb, oskar has retired, patchman seems not to do anything any more, csaboka and stevenh seem to have gone or switched, that leaves Mr D, Lakie and JGR. |
| 15:45 | <Sacro> | Mr D? |
| 15:45 | <@Bjarni> | ln: but it's a poor comparison. Tourists bring money.... we get nothing from you |
| 15:45 | <@peter1138> | fjb, so it's unlikely, although JGR seems to have magic skills |
| 15:45 | <yorick> | Sacro: you don't wanna highlight our DS guy |
| 15:45 | <@peter1138> | Sacro, DaleStan. |
| 15:45 | <fjb> | Sacro: Dale Stan. |
| 15:45 | <@peter1138> | oh damn ;) |
| 15:45 | <@peter1138> | fjb, so we're doing it our way. |
| 15:46 | <Sacro> | ooh |
| 15:46 | <@peter1138> | oskar's newroutes specification was a bit limited and, well, hacky, as that's how ttdpatch works :) |
| 15:46 | <Sacro> | Da<tab> ;) |
| 15:46 | <ln> | Bjarni: now, now, you get more patches from me than you can handle. |
| 15:47 | <@Belugas> | ln : 1) if you want to quote, it's fine with me. But quoting something nobody but a few do understand is meaningless. If you do want to quote, give the translation ONLY. 2) we are not on a street, we are on a channel where the rule is ENGLISH only. 3) If i need to ignore stuff, i'll ignore the writer of these lines |
| 15:47 | <fjb> | peter1138: I always thought it is anoying that the backside and the road / rail part of the bridge are one sprite. |
| 15:47 | * | DaleStan points out that there are a lot of things that do not look even slightly like "DaleStan" that will draw his attention. |
| 15:47 | <@Bjarni> | ln: well... you also bring more work to us :/ |
| 15:47 | <Sacro> | DaleStan: do we get points for each one we find? :) |
| 15:47 | <ln> | Bjarni: yes, and work brings happiness. |
| 15:47 | * | peter1138 wonders if DaleStan has a highlight for Mr D :D |
| 15:48 | <fjb> | TTDP is hacky. Patching something is always hacky. But it is still amazing what they did. But I guess they will reach the limits some time. |
| 15:48 | <@peter1138> | You sound like you're excusing my statement :) |
| 15:48 | <@Bjarni> | the limit is when there is nothing of the original code left and only patched code |
| 15:49 | <@peter1138> | If that's the case then there are no limits... |
| 15:49 | <@Bjarni> | peter1138: I don't think he highlights on "Mr D :D" |
| 15:49 | <yorick> | ok, my patch works, so I should focus on "divide et impera!" (yes, that's Latin :p) now :) |
| 15:49 | <fjb> | Hm, when no original code is left, is it till a patch then? |
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