TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2008:02:29

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03:41	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12316 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp:
03:41	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: Support loading full range of 0xD0xx NewGRF strings which
03:41	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: includes 0xD000 to 0xD3FF (yes, 0xD0xx makes a lot of sense, really...)
03:41	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: and handle 0xD400 to 0xD7FF strings which map to 0xD000 to 0xD3FF
03:41	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: (obviously).
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03:48	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12317 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Fix [FS#1815]: Map string IDs that are embedded from other strings.
03:51	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truebrain * r12318 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AICompany::(Build\|Get)CompanyHQ (college of Morloth)
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04:53	<Morloth>	morning
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06:03	<mulrich\|laptop>	I can't build anything in the game! ;_;
06:03	<mulrich\|laptop>	Well, except for road buildings
06:04	<bumblebee>	:S
06:04	<mulrich\|laptop>	I can't build rails, trucks, trains, etc
06:06	<mulrich\|laptop>	Anything?
06:07	<bumblebee>	well if u havent paused the game I dont know
06:08	<@peter1138>	Usually that’s caused by starting the game before any vehicles are available.
06:08	<mulrich\|laptop>	When are the vehicles available?
06:08	<mulrich\|laptop>	It makes no sense that railroads aren't available in 1925
06:09	<mulrich\|laptop>	Since the first stretch of railroad was opened a hundred years before that
06:11	<Phantasm>	1950 is a good option to start.
06:11	<Phantasm>	There are some train available before that as well, but not at 1925.
06:13	<Gekz>	its time someone made a realism mod
06:13	<Gekz>	with realistic car accidents
06:13	<Phantasm>	Sub-arctic and tropical have first train at 1945 (some time during that year), temperate has first one at 1925 and toyland has first at 1946.
06:13	<Gekz>	and pedestrians with bombs
06:13	<Phantasm>	Gekz: For realilism mod, breakdowns would go down like hell.
06:13	<Vikthor>	mulrich\|laptop: You can use newgrf files(add-on sets), they add vehicles which are available before that
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06:15	<Vikthor>	eg. DBSet and CSDset are usable from 1920's, Serbian set AFAIK from second half of 19th century
06:15	<mulrich\|laptop>	I can't install TTDPatch either
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06:15	<Vikthor>	and there are others USset, Japanese, French...
06:15	<mulrich\|laptop>	Unless I don't need that for that newgrf thing
06:16	<Vikthor>	You can use NewGRF with OpenTTD you dont nedd TTDPatch
06:16	<Vikthor>	*need
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06:16	<mulrich\|laptop>	Where do I put it?
06:17	<Vikthor>	in the data subdirectory, then you have to add it to game using NewGRF settings option in Main menu
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06:18	<Vikthor>	but mind that you can use usually only one set at the time for each transport type
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06:55	<Roujin>	g'day
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07:22	<Zero_Dogg>	are there any stores selling TTD still that is known, or do I need to ebay for it?
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07:42	<ln->	Zero_Dogg: i bought one through amazon.co.uk not so long ago.
07:42	<Zero_Dogg>	great
07:45	<Ammler>	Hello, is it possible to "force" ottd only to look in data folder where openttd.cfg is stored? (ignoring mydocs)
07:46	<Roujin>	copy the config file into the main folder (e.g. ...\OpenTTD)
07:46	<Roujin>	(not the data folder)
07:47	<Roujin>	then it should read and write from/to that one, and also put saves into \OpenTTD\save instead of mydocs\save
07:47	<Ammler>	and it doesn't load GRFs from it?
07:48	<Roujin>	from the mydocs folder? hmm good question
07:48	<Ammler>	I like to make a clean "test environment"...
07:48	<Roujin>	does it read GRFs from mydocs at all?
07:48	<Ammler>	of course
07:49	<Ammler>	you should use that that way
07:49	<Ammler>	if you have different revisions
07:49	<Ammler>	so you need i.e. the original grfs only once
07:49	<Roujin>	i didn't know that - I always put grfs in the install folder (\data\newgrf)
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07:49	<Roujin>	lemme check
07:51	<Roujin>	nope, seems to check for newgrfs in the mydocs folder anyways
07:52	<@peter1138>	Just move them out of there temporarily, or set appropriate options for configure to not use it.
07:52	<Roujin>	<Roujin> then it should read and write from/to that one, and also put saves into \OpenTTD\save instead of mydocs\save <--- that was bs. you can save where you want of course
07:52	<Roujin>	I meant screenshots.
07:52	<Ammler>	peter1138: of course, I'll do that now, but I was wondering, if there is an easier way.. :-)
07:52	<Roujin>	with the config file in your openttd folder, it will place screenshots there as well
07:53	<Ammler>	Roujin: it takes location from openttd.cfg
07:54	<Ammler>	thats really cool
07:57	<Roujin>	thanks for the hint with newgrfs in mydocs, that's something I didn't know ;)
07:59	<Ammler>	there is also a "global" share place
07:59	<Ammler>	if you share the pc with other users
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08:00	<@peter1138>	Global is where the original data should go.
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08:58	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12319 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Cleanup: Comment fixes (Roujin)
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09:17	<Roujin>	peter: what about the fix in transparency.h? is it not alright?
09:17	<@peter1138>	I got busy doing other stuff.
09:18	<Roujin>	i see
09:18	<@peter1138>	Well I am in the office doing work.
09:19	<@Belugas>	so am i
09:19	<@Belugas>	waht a conincidence :S
09:19	<@Belugas>	coincidence
09:19	<@Belugas>	what
09:19	<@Belugas>	baa....
09:19	<@peter1138>	:o
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09:20	<Sacro>	i am in the uni doing insertion srot
09:20	<Sacro>	and playing Pokémon Yellow
09:20	<Roujin>	was just wondering if there was something wrong with it, so nvm ;)
09:22	<Roujin>	hmm.. I wonder if I should split off the random road construction from my traffic light patch and release it as a single patch
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09:29	<Roujin>	nice work Ammler http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/2008/02/29/openttdcoop-newgrf-package-7-beta1/
09:30	<Ammler>	thank you, I hope, we can update it now faster
09:31	<Sacro>	ooo
09:31	<Sacro>	now grfpack
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10:00	<@peter1138>	- _transparency_opt \|= ~_transparency_lock;
10:00	<@peter1138>	+ _transparency_opt \|= GB(~_transparency_lock, 0, TO_END);
10:00	<@peter1138>	Just that should do it, right?
10:00	<@peter1138>	If I understand the problem correctly.
10:01	<@peter1138>	Ammler, that teaser image looks nice :)
10:01	<@peter1138>	Not too keen on the perfectly straight river edges though.
10:02	<@Belugas>	# Riders On The Storm
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10:02	<@peter1138>	Doo, do do doo, do do doo, do do doooo
10:02	<@Belugas>	and on the Bass, Mr Nelson!
10:03	<Ammler>	peter1138: thats made by Osai
10:04	<Roujin>	mmmh that should do it, but I thought some more limiting to the valid bits only wouldn't hurt if for some reason there are strange values saved in the config
10:05	<Roujin>	e.g. one enters strange values in the config; or a transparency option is removed in trunk, one updates to newest revision and starts then..
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10:08	<Roujin>	I'd at least change the if clause to check only the valid bits
10:09	<SmatZ>	invalid data won't be loaded from config file
10:09	<Roujin>	so that if strange bits are set for some reason (that are not visible in any way for the user) the transparency toggle will not act in a strange way
10:09	<SmatZ>	if it is invalid, it is set to 0x1ff
10:09	<Roujin>	well it's valid
10:09	<Roujin>	it's a valid value
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10:10	<Roujin>	i mean valid as in bits 0..number of transparency settings
10:10	<Roujin>	ok wait a second, you're right
10:12	<@peter1138>	I wanted to change as little as possible ;)
10:13	<Roujin>	ok, argh, seems I didn't understand the actual problem up until now ><
10:14	<Roujin>	then what you wrote should pretty much do it...
10:15	<Roujin>	i'd still suggest to switch around the if-else because it's a kind of arkward double negation
10:15	<@peter1138>	Then I wouldn’t be changing as little as possible.
10:16	<Roujin>	if (xxx == 0) then {foo;} else {bar;} ---> if (xxx) then {bar;} else {foo;}
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10:17	<Roujin>	If you want to change as little as possible, you shouldn't have included my comment fix that changed, in fact, nothing in the code. ;)
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10:17	<@peter1138>	That’s why that was separate.
10:18	<Roujin>	okay, you win
10:18	<@peter1138>	But we don’t tree values as boolean, so we’d need to do if (xxx != 0) then {foo;} else {bar;}
10:18	<@peter1138>	*treat
10:19	<Roujin>	you don't? oO I'm pretty sure i've seen that a dozen times in the code... in fact i only learned that that was possible from the openttd code iirc...
10:19	<Roujin>	is that regarded as bad coding style?
10:20	*	Roujin goes reread coding style
10:20	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12320 /trunk/src/transparency.h: -Fix [FS#1817]: Wrong transparency options could be saved after toggling all.
10:22	<@peter1138>	That function is pretty horrible though.
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12:43	<LordAzamath>	yorick!
12:47	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	ln-: is that a railtype? ;)
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---	Log	closed Fri Feb 29 12:47:58 2008
---	Log	opened Fri Feb 29 12:51:17 2008
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12:51	-!-	Irssi: #openttd: Total of 48 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 47 normal]
12:51	<Eddi\|zuHause>	everyone got baned
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12:51	<glx>	silly it was not my IP
12:51	<Eddi\|zuHause>	and my 'n' key is broken
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12:51	<Gonozal_VIII>	i didn't get banned :P
12:51	<Ammler>	yeah, and services seems still to be down
12:51	<yorick>	there was a small bug
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12:52	<yorick>	and services is doen
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12:52	<yorick>	down*
12:52	<mcbane>	grr
12:52	<Eddi\|zuHause>	"small" ;)
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12:52	<mcbane>	someone played wioth the banstick aye?
12:52	<Eddi\|zuHause>	Gonozal_VIII: yes you were, i have proof ;)
12:52	<mcbane>	*with
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12:52	<Ammler>	I hope, topics will be come back
12:52	<yorick>	probably
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12:53	<yorick>	chanserv seems to be back
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12:53	<mcbane>	sorry gly was the wrong window..
12:53	<mcbane>	*glx
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12:53	<Gonozal_VIII>	what a mess
12:53	<Eddi\|zuHause>	anyway, i was saying:
12:54	<Eddi\|zuHause>	ln: is that a railtype?
12:54	<yorick>	everyone got banned, what do you expect?
12:54	<ln>	Eddi\|zuHause: negative
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12:59	<Eddi\|zuHause>	ln: then what kind of relevance does that have?
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13:03	<ln>	i refuse to answer such an obvious question.
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13:09	<@peter1138>	!logs
13:09	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
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13:31	<@Bjarni>	Gonozal_VIII: you lack big time :P
13:31	<@Bjarni>	or might even be broken
13:32	<Gonozal_VIII>	bjarni!
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13:33	<Gonozal_VIII>	channel wasn't active...
13:34	<LordAzamath>	bjarni?
13:34	<LordAzamath>	:D
13:34	<yorick>	Bjarni!
13:36	*	LordAzamath has an evil idea ^o^
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13:46	<guruthree>	why the hell has scandinavia been banned?
13:46	<Zr40>	everyone got banned
13:46	<LordAzamath>	guruthree: Not anymore
13:46	<LordAzamath>	yes
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13:46	<guruthree>	well that was rather stupid
13:46	<LordAzamath>	yes
13:47	<guruthree>	(whoever banned everyone)
13:47	<LordAzamath>	a bug
13:47	<guruthree>	and then couldn't fix it for 20 minutes :<
13:47	<Zr40>	I mailed them
13:47	<guruthree>	(which was how long it took me to notice)
13:47	<Zr40>	apparently, @ip-address got parsed as @*
13:47	<LordAzamath>	guruthree: Everyone in the whole oftc
13:47	<guruthree>	silly
13:47	<guru3>	very silly
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13:59	<valhallasw>	what the...
13:59	<valhallasw>	stupid ircop?
13:59	<Zr40>	operator^Hservices error, everyone got banned
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14:03	<Phantasm>	Ugh...
14:03	<Zr40>	should even be ^W, not ^H.
14:03	<Zr40>	Phantasm: yes, everyone got banned.
14:03	<Phantasm>	I saw that.
14:03	<Phantasm>	And I'm wondering who idiot did that.
14:03	<Zr40>	according to the mail I got from them: services misparsing an incorrect command
14:04	<@Belugas>	don't look at me, same thing happened 2me2
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14:05	<valhallasw>	s/services misparsing/user issuing/
14:05	<Zr40>	the command was 'slightly' incorrect in the first place
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14:06	<Zr40>	but according to the mail, services banned everyone instead of refusing the command
14:10	<@Belugas>	that's a power I would love to have :D
14:10	<@Belugas>	ban the whole network!
14:11	<Phantasm>	Typically such shouldn't happen even with wrong commands...other than using thing like /os raw..
14:13	<Tefad>	hehe
14:13	<Tefad>	i had good fun with operserv raw back in the day
14:14	<Tefad>	svsnick was pretty fun
14:14	<Phantasm>	Been there done that.
14:14	<Tefad>	before sanick (or whatever)
14:14	<Tefad>	i don't quite understand the difference in svs vs sa command prefixes
14:14	<Phantasm>	Sajoin & sapart flood was also nice in getting mirc to crash.
14:14	<Tefad>	mmm
14:15	<Phantasm>	Sa isn't done through services, svs is.
14:15	<Tefad>	yeah but why not have opers use svs then
14:15	<Tefad>	why are there sa and svs.
14:15	<Phantasm>	They require different access to be used.
14:15	<Tefad>	anyone heard of ACLs?
14:15	*	Tefad shrugs
14:15	<Phantasm>	For some commands there are overlaps sure, but generally not.
14:16	<Tefad>	join part nick overlap
14:16	<Tefad>	wasn't there even a quit one (which is basically a kill)
14:16	<Tefad>	oh n/m
14:16	<Tefad>	there was kill for opers that put "Kill:" in the message
14:16	<Tefad>	then the services kill was literal string
14:17	*	Tefad been using IRC for.. holy crap 13 years.
14:18	<Tefad>	good old quarterdeck global chat
14:19	<Tefad>	random news post mentioning said software: http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services-miscellaneous-business/4679579-1.html
14:20	<Tefad>	oh, i guess that's the end of global chat as an IRC client
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14:41	<Phantasm>	Tefad: Yes and those overlap for obvious reasons. They can be used at significantly lower access.
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14:42	<Phantasm>	The sa versions. While svs versions exist as the ircd might not have sa versions.
14:43	<Anatolis>	hello
14:43	<Tefad>	i also think irc needs to revolutionize its authentication system
14:43	<Anatolis>	does anyone know where I can find info on a patch were a train will leave the station if it's full?
14:43	<Tefad>	but that's not on topic for this channel : D
14:44	<Anatolis>	It was in the MiniN, but it's difficult to find a topic about it on the forum
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15:00	<Yorick>	meet my new bot, questionmark
15:00	<questionmark>	Hello.. My name is ?. I have a channel. Want to join? Then type #?
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15:02	<Yorick>	?leave
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15:04	<@peter1138>	Heh
15:08	<Patrick`>	#?
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16:51	<dih>	Bjarni :-)
16:51	<@Bjarni>	where?
16:51	<Gonozal_VIII>	who?
16:51	<dih>	dont know
16:51	<@Bjarni>	then stop talking garbage
16:51	<dih>	somewhere
16:52	<dih>	i know he is somewhere
16:52	<dih>	now
16:52	<@Bjarni>	you need to do some research before presenting the results
16:52	<ln->	i thought it was captain planet, but yeah, it looks more like a Bjarni.
16:52	<dih>	if i were (a) Bjarni - where would i hide
16:52	<dih>	how are you sir?
16:53	<@Bjarni>	<dih> if i were (a) Bjarni - where would i hide <-- the best hiding place is.....
16:53	<@Bjarni>	offline
16:53	<dih>	no - that would not be your best hiding place
16:54	<dih>	because then you would quickly find that you miss the "Bjanri!"
16:54	<dih>	and i am not sure would would annoy you most
16:54	<dih>	people saying it- or realizing that you actually would miss it :-P
16:55	<@Bjarni>	lol
16:55	<@Bjarni>	I wouldn't miss it
16:55	<@Bjarni>	people do it all the time
16:55	<Gonozal_VIII>	you would!
16:55	<dih>	^^
16:55	<dih>	did you get my email Bjarni?
16:56	<Sacro>	Bjarni:!
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16:56	<dih>	and here we have someone who cannot read what it sais in the quotes
16:56	<dih>	got a colon too many there Sacro :-P
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16:57	<@Bjarni>	dih: that's because Sacro is looking for colons everywhere
16:58	<dih>	he is probably looking for more than just colons everywhere ^^
16:58	<@Bjarni>	<dih> did you get my email Bjarni? <-- the newest one is like two weeks old
16:59	<dih>	yes
16:59	<dih>	that sounds about right
17:00	<dih>	should be complete :-)
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17:00	<dih>	btw ladies, i had a great thought :-D
17:00	*	Bjarni runs away
17:00	<dih>	a ottd spectating server :-P
17:00	<dih>	i.e. a game that joins a server as spectator, does all the drawing etc
17:00	<dih>	and at the same time allows 11 other spectators to join :-D
17:01	<dih>	of course no 'pause on join' allowed here
17:02	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: glx * r12321 /trunk/readme.txt: -Change: update readme about where openttd looks for files (based on dih work)
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17:03	<dih>	uh - nice
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17:08	<dih>	leaving my lovely idea without any comments :-(
17:10	<Vikthor>	dih: Show us the code and we can talk :D
17:10	<dih>	LOL
17:11	<dih>	i am working on something else when i have the time
17:11	<Vikthor>	Yeah, I know that was just joke
17:11	<Gonozal_VIII>	why are spectators even limited?
17:12	<Phantasm>	Bjarni: Any idea when this will be possible as a route: 1) Buy a train to depot a 2) travel to station b and full load 3) travel to station c and unload 4) travel to depot d and sell <goto 1 as in it will buy a new one to different depot to replace the sold one and set it running> ?
17:13	<Gonozal_VIII>	that idea sucks phantasm :P
17:13	<dih>	when you have a decent script language that would be able to controll such actions
17:13	<Phantasm>	IT won't suck, Gonozal_VIII.
17:13	<Phantasm>	s/IT/It/
17:13	<Patrick`>	it saves on money for buying a return track, right?
17:13	<Patrick`>	dumbass.
17:13	<Patrick`>	learn to signal
17:14	<Phantasm>	Patrick`: You get higher rating to station as the trains are always all new and that will give you more materials to transport.
17:14	<@Bjarni>	Phantasm: currently not possible
17:14	<Phantasm>	You'll also have less breakdowns which will significantly matter on overused tracks.
17:14	<Vikthor>	Phantasm: It's basically cheating, teleporting trains from depot to depot
17:14	<@Bjarni>	and don't hold your breath
17:14	<@Bjarni>	.... or maybe you should :P
17:14	<Phantasm>	Vikthor: No teleport, it is sell and buy. :)
17:15	<Gonozal_VIII>	but the fact that somebody suggests that shows that the resell value decreases way too slow
17:15	<dih>	lol Bjarni
17:15	<dih>	that's mean ^^
17:15	<Patrick`>	... or waypoint in a depot and autoreplace
17:15	<@Bjarni>	it would give me time to look at serious issues
17:15	<Phantasm>	Vikthor: I'm paying for the new train and selling the old one to 'whoever wants it' and therefore it is no teleporting of train as it is other train.
17:15	<dih>	i thought my ottd spectating server was more interesting ^^
17:16	<Phantasm>	Gonozal_VIII: Well, it is in reality profitable on a long route.
17:16	<Phantasm>	It will also increase the secondary factory goods amount as you have more goods from primary factory hauled.
17:16	<Gonozal_VIII>	is not... you get much less money back for a used vehicle
17:16	<Phantasm>	Gonozal_VIII: Not that much less. I have calculated it.
17:17	<Gonozal_VIII>	i know, that's why i wrote it's wrong
17:17	<Gonozal_VIII>	the value should be reduced much faster
17:17	<dih>	the code for such a spectating server already exists... just needs a little rearranging ^^
17:17	<Vikthor>	Phantasm: Sometimes more realism isn't that bad
17:17	<Phantasm>	The extra goods you get for the higher rating is worth more than the cost of selling the train (also you won't have running costs for returning part).
17:17	<Phantasm>	Vikthor: It is actually totally realistic.
17:18	<Gonozal_VIII>	i know that it makes more profit but it shouldn't
17:18	<dih>	trains should not be sellable ^^
17:18	<Phantasm>	dih: Of course trains should be sellable.
17:18	<dih>	buy a train - keep it until it crashes ^^
17:18	<Phantasm>	Are you saying you can't sell a train in real life?
17:18	<Vikthor>	What using loco for one route and than selling it is realistic?
17:18	<Vikthor>	*then