| --- | Log | opened Tue Feb 26 00:00:16 2008 |
| 00:04 | <Nite> | ok i understand |
| 00:04 | <Nite> | i guess |
| 00:05 | <Nite> | if train searches for the depot by it intervall it ignores/does not check the depot order |
| 00:06 | <Gonozal> | yep |
| 00:06 | <Gonozal> | that's what i said all the time^^ |
| 00:06 | <Nite> | someone said it worked in beta2 |
| 00:06 | <Gonozal> | but it didn't |
| 00:06 | <Nite> | i guess so |
| 00:07 | <Nite> | i just know it did in 5.3 |
| 00:08 | <Nite> | sry i yust didnt comple4tely get what you mentioned without trying it out by myself |
| 00:09 | <Nite> | so a zero intervall ingame would do it - i still hope its changed ... |
| 00:09 | <Nite> | bla bla |
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| 00:16 | <Nite> | would be nice if service intervalls could be changed by every user and not only for the whol server/game. |
| 00:19 | <Gonozal> | wouldn't work as multiple users can have the same company |
| 00:19 | <Nite> | i see |
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| 00:20 | <Nite> | iam getting to understand why this depot order and autoservice is so delicate |
| 00:21 | <Gonozal> | but being able to set it from 0-800 ingame instead of 30-800 would be nice |
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| 00:21 | <Nite> | it would suck if train goes to a "wrong" depot and then switches to next the order too |
| 00:22 | <Nite> | but with autoservice off it would work anyways |
| 00:23 | <Nite> | thanks a lot - noone could explain this to me so far. |
| 00:24 | <Nite> | any way to see how long a train hasent been serviced? |
| 00:25 | <Gonozal> | last service :-) |
| 00:26 | <Nite> | ok so oyu have to calculate how many days this is by yourself |
| 00:26 | <Gonozal> | well... it's not in days so you have to calculate |
| 00:26 | <Gonozal> | hehe |
| 00:26 | <Nite> | ;) |
| 00:27 | <Gonozal> | you could suggest to add (x) after the date where x is the number of days... |
| 00:28 | <Nite> | wel i geuss a route taking longer thann 800 days ois unelikely anyway |
| 00:28 | <Gonozal> | right |
| 00:32 | <Nite> | its also tedious taht you cant set the days to 0/800 by typing it in |
| 00:35 | <Nite> | by the way you also can set other umbers ingame and as always a company can be occupied by more players. |
| 00:35 | <Nite> | so why it cant work with this one? |
| 00:36 | <Nite> | i guess it could ... |
| 00:36 | <Gonozal> | which setting should vehicles use? |
| 00:36 | <Nite> | always the one thats set at the date/time they are build |
| 00:37 | <Nite> | ... i guess ... |
| 00:37 | <Gonozal> | but with multiple company owners there could be different settings |
| 00:38 | <Nite> | well there coulddnt because you set this for teh company not for the player |
| 00:38 | <Nite> | like the autorenew feature |
| 00:41 | <Nite> | even if it would be set for every player maybee the trains could use the setting by the player thatz build them thenplayer then |
| 00:42 | <Gonozal> | that's not stored in the vehicle info |
| 00:42 | <Nite> | so its stored per company? |
| 00:43 | <Gonozal> | server setting :-) |
| 00:43 | <Nite> | ohh not even by company thats bad ... |
| 00:43 | <Nite> | i slowly get how ttd is built up |
| 00:45 | <Nite> | guess the nearest option is the one click to zero in the vehicles details then ... (and yes thats what you said somehow) |
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| 05:47 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12264 /branches/noai/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:47 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AITileList_vCargoProduction (yorick) |
| 05:47 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: fixed comments around CargoProduction, so now it reflects what is really does |
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| 05:55 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12265 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (16 files): [NoAI] -Add: added a general protection that doesn't allow people using valuators on lists that aren't ment for those valuators |
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| 06:23 | <ln-> | hello, elephants. |
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| 06:25 | <HMage> | hello |
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| 06:44 | <Forked> | DJ-Nekkid: kinky.. |
| 06:46 | <DJ-Nekkid> | now what? |
| 06:46 | <@peter1138> | Naked DJing? |
| 06:46 | <Gekz> | in french |
| 06:46 | <Gekz> | :) |
| 06:47 | <@peter1138> | French? |
| 06:47 | <Gekz> | Je suis. |
| 06:47 | <@peter1138> | Quoi? |
| 06:47 | <Gekz> | Quatre? |
| 06:48 | <DJ-Nekkid> | je ne parle pas francoise... |
| 06:48 | <DJ-Nekkid> | and thats about what i know in french :O) |
| 06:48 | <Gekz> | lol |
| 06:48 | <Gekz> | I need to buy azerty stickers for my eee. |
| 06:48 | <Gekz> | >_> |
| 06:48 | <@peter1138> | Swap the keys? |
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| 06:52 | <keyweed> | switch to dvorak? |
| 06:52 | <DJ-Nekkid> | dvorek is a norweegian vodka ... |
| 06:52 | <DJ-Nekkid> | or is it polish... |
| 06:52 | <DJ-Nekkid> | atleast buyable in norway |
| 06:55 | <Gekz> | peter1138: ... look up azerty |
| 06:55 | <Gekz> | doesnt matter how many times I swap teh keys, it wont make a cedilla |
| 06:56 | <@peter1138> | Pah, who cares about the symbol keys... |
| 06:56 | <Gekz> | me. |
| 06:56 | * | peter1138 does altgr + = then c... |
| 06:57 | <Gekz> | too much Windows for you |
| 06:57 | <@peter1138> | No Windows at all. |
| 06:58 | <@peter1138> | ‘Façade’ |
| 06:58 | <@peter1138> | Yay for cedillas in English. |
| 06:59 | <Gekz> | lol. |
| 06:59 | <Gekz> | Facade is a loan word. |
| 06:59 | * | keyweed feels an urge to paste the dutch ij. |
| 07:00 | <Gekz> | dooo it |
| 07:00 | <keyweed> | quite a useles ligature. ij does just as fine as ij |
| 07:00 | <@peter1138> | And also ‘café’ |
| 07:02 | <Gekz> | loan word. |
| 07:02 | <@peter1138> | And? |
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| 07:05 | <@peter1138> | Actually I’m laughing at the last two entires on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_with_diacritics under M... |
| 07:06 | <@peter1138> | Entries, of course. |
| 07:06 | <keyweed> | Motörhead? |
| 07:06 | <@peter1138> | Quite. |
| 07:06 | <keyweed> | that's a word? |
| 07:06 | <@peter1138> | Half that list would be gone if you removed names. |
| 07:08 | <keyweed> | über, no language should be without über |
| 07:11 | <@peter1138> | Clearly. |
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| 07:15 | <@peter1138> | # In to outer space |
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| 07:16 | <Gekz> | /* I like comments. */ |
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| 07:19 | <@peter1138> | o/˘ Into outer space, with Lucia Pamela |
| 07:19 | <@peter1138> | o/˘ the moon is the place where there's space for Lucia |
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| 07:28 | <@peter1138> | Fail. |
| 07:28 | <Gekz> | Sex? |
| 07:28 | <keyweed> | sex! |
| 07:29 | <@peter1138> | Where? |
| 07:29 | * | keyweed points in the center of the red lights district. |
| 07:29 | <Gekz> | Red lights district? haha. |
| 07:29 | <Gekz> | it's red light. |
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| 08:19 | <Phantasm> | 2 very annoying bugs.. First is that no settings are ever saved unless the game is exited properly. If after, say 10 hours of playing the game crashed all the settings changed before playing, those will all be lost. The savefiles will have the settings of the game you played, but the general settings are gone and must be set again. All those pregame settings should be saved immediately as they are changed. |
| 08:20 | <Ammler> | Phantasm: a export/import function for settings would be fine |
| 08:20 | <Ammler> | btw. thats only a missing feature, not a bug |
| 08:21 | <@peter1138> | It's not a bug, it's a design feature... |
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| 08:21 | <Phantasm> | And for the another bug.. Manual saves are made to saves directory below the game dir and that is also the same place it looks from when opening saves. However, autosaves are made to my documents. It should never put anything to my documents to start with (no-one really wants anything there)... And at least all should go to same place. |
| 08:21 | <+glx> | that depends on where is your openttd.cfg |
| 08:21 | <Phantasm> | I consider it a bug as the program fails to save the settings unless it is exited normally. |
| 08:22 | <@peter1138> | "My Documents" is where your user files should live... |
| 08:22 | <Phantasm> | peter1138: No-one even wants anything to be at my documents even though microsoft idiots think so. |
| 08:22 | <@peter1138> | "No-one really wants anything there" is not true. |
| 08:23 | <Phantasm> | Well, then have a setting for it? |
| 08:23 | <Phantasm> | Those who want it elsewhere can have it elsewhere. |
| 08:23 | <+glx> | that's the only safe place if you have a limited account |
| 08:23 | <yorick> | %appdata%! |
| 08:23 | <Phantasm> | At least the current case of 2 separate folders for different types of saves is a bug. |
| 08:25 | <Ammler> | hmm, autosaves are at MyDocs too, aren't? |
| 08:25 | <Phantasm> | Ammler: Autosaves are in mydocs, every other save and the place it opens saves from are on gamedir/save. |
| 08:26 | <Ammler> | only if you have a openttd.cfg there |
| 08:26 | <Phantasm> | Or well, of course I can manually go to mydocs every time I want to save/load, but that is not so easy. |
| 08:26 | <Phantasm> | All files are where the game put them. |
| 08:26 | <Phantasm> | I don't give a fuck where they are, that is how it works by default and that is where the problem lies. |
| 08:27 | <Phantasm> | Without me modifying thing myself it works as it isn't supposed to work. |
| 08:27 | <Ammler> | hmm, if you don't modify something, every userdata should be at mydocs |
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| 08:27 | <Phantasm> | Well, it isn't. |
| 08:28 | <Ammler> | I guess, you overwrote a old release |
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| 08:28 | <Ammler> | which had all data in gamedir |
| 08:28 | <Phantasm> | I installed the beta3 without having any other version of ottd ever installed on this computer. |
| 08:29 | <Phantasm> | (Of 0.6.0 of course... Haven't played for a while so I don't have beta4 yet. Just remembered the problem now and came to report it.) |
| 08:29 | <Ammler> | and where did you put the origianl GRFs and sample.cat? |
| 08:30 | <Phantasm> | No idea where the installer copied em. |
| 08:30 | <Ammler> | maybe there is the bug (at the installer)? |
| 08:30 | <@peter1138> | It’s possible the installer is making the save/ directory when it shouldn’t do. |
| 08:30 | <Ammler> | :) |
| 08:31 | <@peter1138> | Also, “<Phantasm> I don't give a fuck where they are”... there is no need for that kind of attitude. |
| 08:32 | <Phantasm> | Repeatedly getting they are where the openttd.cfg is after stating everything is as the installer put is makes me grumpy. |
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| 08:33 | <@peter1138> | That does not parse. |
| 08:34 | <+glx> | ok the installer creates a save dir |
| 08:36 | <Phantasm> | peter1138: I stated everything is as the installer put it and even having stated that, I was repeatedly told that they are where the openttd.cfg is... That makes me grumpy. Considering the bug report it has nothing to do at all where whatsoever is as they are where the installer put em. |
| 08:36 | <+glx> | Phantasm: they are where the openttd.cfg is if you don't use the installer :) |
| 08:39 | <Phantasm> | Openttd.cfg is at mydocs and autosaves are there manual save/load open gamedir/save, so that only applies to autosaves. |
| 08:40 | <Phantasm> | Openttd.cfg is at mydocs and autosaves are there while manual save/load opens gamedir/save, so that only applies to autosaves.* |
| 08:42 | <@peter1138> | lol |
| 08:42 | <@peter1138> | I was going to try out the installer for a moment. |
| 08:42 | <@peter1138> | Then I remembered that I am not running Windows... |
| 08:42 | <Phantasm> | Hah. |
| 08:42 | <+glx> | peter1138: I tried, and it creates save dir :) |
| 08:45 | <+glx> | hmm ok, for saveload dialog, it checks dir existance in same order as it checks openttd.cfg existance on start |
| 08:45 | <Phantasm> | As for the definition of the program of settings not getting saved prior to proper exiting.. I consider anything causing loss of data significantly after the data was last modified as a bug. |
| 08:45 | <Phantasm> | s/program/problem/ |
| 08:46 | <@peter1138> | The installer does? So that needs fixing... |
| 08:46 | <+glx> | so if there's a save dir and no openttd.cfg in install dir it will use this save dir |
| 08:46 | <Phantasm> | Also the fact that if the user makes a save dir (as now the installer does), autosaves and save/load end up to different directory, it is a bug as well. So both installer and the behaviour needs to be fixed. |
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| 08:47 | <@peter1138> | Well fix it then :-) |
| 08:47 | <Phantasm> | Nah, I just like to whine. |
| 08:47 | <+glx> | Phantasm: autosave dir is determined on start from openttd.xfg emplacement |
| 08:48 | <+glx> | save dir is determined everytime you open the saveload window |
| 08:48 | <@peter1138> | (Tip, stating that bugs “need to be fixed” does not motivate anyone to actually fix it. Just stating that there is a bug is enough, as it is obvious that bugs need fixing.) |
| 08:49 | <Phantasm> | Ack.. Been awake for an hour and I'm still dead after sleeping for 16 hours.. |
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| 09:41 | <De_Ghost|other> | how i check what module is load on nix? |
| 09:42 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12266 /branches/noai/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: [API CHANGE] minor typo in Ai*r*portAvailable (tnx yorick) |
| 09:43 | <frosch123> | lsmod |
| 09:45 | <De_Ghost|other> | what about currently running threads? |
| 09:45 | <frosch123> | "ps" with various options or "top" |
| 09:46 | <Phantasm> | ps aux lists all running processes, if you also wants threads, see man ps |
| 09:47 | <De_Ghost|other> | where you guys learn all these ?:) |
| 09:47 | <HMage> | we ask the man to tell us |
| 09:47 | <HMage> | :) |
| 09:49 | <De_Ghost|other> | lol |
| 09:49 | <De_Ghost|other> | who |
| 09:49 | <@Belugas> | not who... |
| 09:49 | <@Belugas> | what |
| 09:49 | <@Belugas> | man == manual |
| 09:49 | <De_Ghost|other> | what is |
| 09:50 | <De_Ghost|other> | o |
| 09:50 | <ln-> | frosch123: bash: lsmod: command not found |
| 09:50 | <@Belugas> | man == nix command |
| 09:50 | <De_Ghost|other> | the man is so long |
| 09:50 | <frosch123> | ln: don't know. no problem on kubuntu and gentoo |
| 09:51 | <eQualizer> | man man |
| 09:52 | <ln-> | frosch123: this is SunOS/Solaris 10. |
| 09:53 | <De_Ghost|other> | how i execute something? |
| 09:54 | <frosch123> | if your executable is not in the search path, you have to preceed it with "./" |
| 09:54 | <+glx> | frosch123: ./ means current dir |
| 09:55 | <frosch123> | I know, but I only need it when executing, not when using a file in an other way |
| 09:56 | <ln-> | and why might that be? |
| 09:56 | <frosch123> | like "./bin/openttd" works, but "bin/openttd" doesn't. |
| 09:57 | <frosch123> | ln-: I assume to prevent hiding programs in the search path. |
| 09:57 | <@peter1138> | bin/openttd should work... |
| 09:58 | <frosch123> | hmm, true |
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| 10:02 | <Roujin> | g'day |
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| 10:06 | <LordAzamath> | hello |
| 10:06 | <Roujin> | cheers LA |
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| 10:14 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12267 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix r12266: forgot to update the regression output (again and again...) |
| 10:14 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12268 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_abstractlist.cpp ai_list_valuator.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: allow AIList_vRandomize to run over any list |
| 10:15 | <LordAzamath> | Roujin: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35661 |
| 10:15 | <LordAzamath> | I wanted to ask if you can do the same for already constructed stations... |
| 10:15 | <LordAzamath> | I mean you can see the accept tab there |
| 10:16 | <LordAzamath> | and ratings only appear after you have transported that item already |
| 10:18 | <Roujin> | i guess it's possible.. |
| 10:18 | <LordAzamath> | ..but? |
| 10:18 | <Roujin> | i'll note it and look into it when i'm on that patch again |
| 10:18 | <Roujin> | no but ;) |
| 10:18 | <LordAzamath> | :) |
| 10:19 | <Roujin> | atm i'm fiddling with my traffic lights tho :P |
| 10:20 | <LordAzamath> | hmm can you (or anyone) suggest me a fine set of new landscape options... I want to start a new game, but I don't want a louzy map as they always seem to be...õ |
| 10:20 | <LordAzamath> | the size, the roughness, the number of industries etc.. |
| 10:20 | <Roujin> | high mountains, medium or more water and restrict yourself from terraforming much? |
| 10:20 | <LordAzamath> | tell me sizes first :P |
| 10:21 | <@Belugas> | "sizes first" |
| 10:21 | <@Belugas> | i did |
| 10:21 | <@Belugas> | now what? |
| 10:21 | <LordAzamath> | you didn't say ":P" |
| 10:21 | <LordAzamath> | :( |
| 10:22 | <LordAzamath> | ^^ |
| 10:22 | <@Belugas> | lol |
| 10:22 | <@Belugas> | true ;) |
| 10:22 | <Roujin> | maybe something long.. 128*1024 or so? |
| 10:22 | * | LordAzamath svn ups a NIGHTLY |
| 10:23 | <LordAzamath> | noooodle |
| 10:23 | <LordAzamath> | not nightly actually |
| 10:23 | <LordAzamath> | but the general name for trunk is... nightlys :P |
| 10:24 | <LordAzamath> | anyway, Belugas, any commits coming in next 5 minutes? |
| 10:24 | <LordAzamath> | I'll take the last revision :P |
| 10:24 | <LordAzamath> | because I'm ready to wait ^^ |
| 10:24 | <@peter1138> | The general name for trunk is trunk. |
| 10:24 | <LordAzamath> | gah |
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| 10:25 | <LordAzamath> | but when it's asked if I play nightlys or stables what should I answer? :o |
| 10:25 | <Roujin> | hmm |
| 10:25 | <LordAzamath> | ok.. now compiling |
| 10:26 | <LordAzamath> | 12268 |
| 10:26 | * | Roujin made a patch setting that allows random road construction in towns (with lower probability than if it's funded) |
| 10:26 | <yorick> | I would like that |
| 10:27 | * | Roujin just tested it and found that at the highest possible setting it would be extremely annoying for anyone who'd like to make a bus route ^^ |
| 10:27 | <Roujin> | have to balance the probability still... |
| 10:29 | <@Belugas> | LordAzamath, nope, no commits from me for a while |
| 10:29 | <Roujin> | actually it's part of my traffic lights patch @yorick, because I made towns place traffic lights themselves during road construction |
| 10:29 | <@Belugas> | at work, no way... |
| 10:29 | <@Belugas> | not currently, that is |
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| 10:32 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: glx * r12269 /trunk/os/win32/installer/install.nsi: -Fix: [Win32] don't create save dir on install |
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| 10:44 | <Roujin> | hehe |
| 10:44 | <Roujin> | with the random road construction plus traffic lights, it's actually quite fun just to watch some traffic in a town ^^ |
| 10:46 | <@Belugas> | you mean vehicles do stop at signals? |
| 10:46 | <@Belugas> | i' |
| 10:46 | <@Belugas> | ve |
| 10:46 | <@Belugas> | never ran the patch |
| 10:48 | <Roujin> | oh, that's only as of today and on my hard disk... next update i post in the forums will contain it of course ;) |
| 10:48 | <@Belugas> | ok |
| 10:48 | <@Belugas> | and is there some sort of synchronization of the lights? |
| 10:48 | <@Belugas> | or is it totally random? |
| 10:49 | <Roujin> | it switches every tileloop |
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| 10:52 | <Roujin> | so.. they're not programmable by the user to create some nice traffic flow or so... |
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| 10:53 | <Roujin> | also, can't give one of the roads priority over the other (meaning its green phase is longer than the other's) - shame, but wouldn't know how to squeeze that in the map array ;) |
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| 11:02 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12270 /branches/noai/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AIIndustryList_CargoAccepting and AIIndustryList_CargoProducing, which gives you Industry Lists with from where to where you can move cargo |
| 11:03 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12271 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_industrylist.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix r12270: save before commit |
| 11:04 | <Roujin> | hehe |
| 11:09 | <ln-> | not funny, end of discussion |
| 11:13 | <Roujin> | my my.. loosen up a little |
| 11:14 | <Roujin> | wasn't meant in a negative way - how many times do i compile and wonder why nothing has changed until i notice i didn't save? |
| 11:14 | <@Belugas> | does not occur while using MSVC |
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| 11:22 | <De_Ghost|other> | how i boot up ui to look like os |
| 11:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yes. |
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| 11:25 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | <keyweed> quite a useles ligature. ij does just as fine as ij <- (very) old german typesets had "st" and "ck" ligatures (similar to the still existing "sz" ligature (ß)) |
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| 11:28 | <keyweed> | Eddi|zuHause2: didn't know about 'st' en 'sk' |
| 11:28 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | up until the spelling reform in 1996, this was still reflected in hyphenating rules |
| 11:28 | <@peter1138> | Spelling reform :o |
| 11:29 | <@peter1138> | r u shure u 1 2 do vat |
| 11:29 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | different kind of spelling ;) |
| 11:29 | <Roujin> | that's why you weren't allowed to seperate st at line's end? interesting |
| 11:30 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yes |
| 11:30 | <keyweed> | my german isn't all that good unfortunatly. i can read and understand everything that's said but speaking is a bit tough |
| 11:30 | <Roujin> | they never told me exactly why you're not allowed to do this in school |
| 11:30 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | but now you may not separate "ck" (used to be k-k) |
| 11:30 | <Roujin> | i know, i'm german aswell :P |
| 11:31 | <keyweed> | my german is understandable but it makes germans laugh every now and then |
| 11:31 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | doesn't mean you know the new spelling rules ;) |
| 11:31 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | or the old ones ;) |
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| 11:31 | <Roujin> | heh, true enough |
| 11:31 | <keyweed> | dutch and german are very a like. but subtle differences can be embarassing |
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| 11:32 | <keyweed> | 'i'm already being served' is 'ik word al geholpen' in dutch, if you translate that litterly in german you get 'ich werde schon geholfen' which translates back to englis as 'i'm already being castrated' |
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| 11:33 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | where do you get "castrated" from? |
| 11:33 | <Roujin> | erm... you sure about that? oO |
| 11:33 | <keyweed> | the girl tending bar in leipzig at wave gotik treffen |
| 11:34 | <keyweed> | she informed me that 'ich werde schon bedient (spelling?)" is the right phrase. |
| 11:35 | <Roujin> | yes, that's correct, but the other phrase doesn't mean you're being castrated, it's just nonsense ;) you may have been made fun of :P |
| 11:37 | <keyweed> | yeah. i know. only fair, we do the same to germans. |
| 11:37 | <Roujin> | 'ich werde schon geholfen' is wrong gramatically, correct would be 'mir wird schon geholfen'. and that would translate as 'i'm being helped' rather than 'i'm being served' |
| 11:38 | <keyweed> | well. in dutch, if you're going to have you're cat helped, it means you're going to have him castrated. |
| 11:39 | <keyweed> | don't know if that's the same in german too. 'help' is interpreted differently everywhere :) |
| 11:40 | <Roujin> | ah no, here we don't interpret "help" as cutting of your nuts |
| 11:40 | <Roujin> | i'd be rather angry if i'd recieve such help you know.. |
| 11:40 | <Roujin> | o________________O |
| 11:40 | <keyweed> | ah. we do. some other nations considder bombing the shit out of people 'help'. it's all a matter of perspective :) |
| 11:41 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | no, they "bring democracy" |
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| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hm... autofilling of timetables is pretty useless |
| 11:55 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i'd rather have an estimation based on distance and (expected average) speed |
| 11:55 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and setting for loading times |
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| 12:07 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i have no idea why that tram thing did not disturb anyone before... |
| 12:09 | <@Belugas> | with or without grfs? |
| 12:09 | <Roujin> | that tram thing? |
| 12:10 | <@Belugas> | yup |
| 12:11 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | with grf |
| 12:11 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | but should that matter? |
| 12:11 | <@Belugas> | which ones? |
| 12:11 | <@Belugas> | maybe it does matter |
| 12:12 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | "New Tram Tracks v0.4.1" - 46420801 |
| 12:12 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | the one with the one-sided pylons |
| 12:12 | <Roujin> | what do you mean with "that tram thing"? i still don't get it |
| 12:13 | <Roujin> | well nvm, i've got to go anyways... see you later |
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| 12:14 | <@Belugas> | Roujin[afk] , Eddi|zuHause2 posted a bug report. If you want to be in the loop, just get yourself in #openttd.notice |
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| 12:20 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | after some testing, i really like the idea of the vehicle separation patch |
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| 12:34 | <@Belugas> | Eddi|zuHause2, could you provide a screenshot please? |
| 12:34 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hm... wait |
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| 12:38 | <@peter1138> | It’s realism! |
| 12:38 | <@peter1138> | You’re not allowed to cut trees down these days... |
| 12:46 | <@Belugas> | booo.. confirmed |
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| 13:02 | <@Belugas> | don't even know how to fix that stupid glitch |
| 13:03 | <@Belugas> | wold imply changing the tile to ROADSIDE_PAVED only, but i do not see where nor under which conditions |
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| 13:06 | <@Belugas> | tileloop_road maybe? |
| 13:06 | <@Belugas> | mmhh.. |
| 13:09 | <@Belugas> | ho... only need to do that on roads crossing tram tracks indeed |
| 13:12 | <@Belugas> | and what about drawroadbits... |
| 13:13 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Belugas: afaik there recently was a patch to suppress drawing trees under bridges, maybe it is something similar |
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| 13:16 | <Roujin[afk]> | re |
| 13:17 | <Roujin[afk]> | Belugas: what's that #openttd.notice you wrote about? an irc channel? |
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| 13:18 | <@Belugas> | yes |
| 13:18 | <@Belugas> | Eddi|zuHause2, i doubt it is related |
| 13:19 | <@Belugas> | but i have to admit, i know VERY litle about roads |
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| 13:20 | <@Belugas> | well... nothing i can do up until i'm at home :( |
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| 13:20 | <@Belugas> | hoping that i do remember about it :S |
| 13:21 | <@Belugas> | i do have a plan, but i'm not sure where to "attack" it |
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| 13:24 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: belugas * r12272 /trunk/src/table/bridge_land.h: -Codechange: A bit of code style fixes (tabs instead of spaces), one space too many before macro definition and rename marco MB (MakeBridge) for MBR(MakeBRidge) |
| 13:25 | <@Belugas> | Marco... WAHHH!!! |
| 13:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | who's marco? |
| 13:26 | <Axamentia> | Polo? |
| 13:27 | <@Belugas> | Marco the macro |
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| 13:29 | <Axmentia666> | gah |
| 13:30 | <@Belugas> | quite |
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| 13:32 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12273 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (28 files): [NoAI] -Documentation: big change of many list-related comments. It is now more readable, more explaining, and all unneeded things (API-wise) are removed |
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| 13:34 | < | [1][1]Roujin> belugas: how does your plan for that bug look like? I think i could do something there, or do you want to do it yourself now? |
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| 13:34 | <@Belugas> | currently, no code yet |
| 13:35 | <Sionide> | bloody ell |
| 13:35 | <Sionide> | anyone remember in windows, how i set it so the user account auto logs on without having to type the password? |
| 13:35 | < | [1][1]Roujin> i could think of a) disable lamps/trees if tram tracks are present |
| 13:35 | <@Belugas> | it should be done either during tileloop (my prefered way) |
| 13:35 | <Wolf01> | hello |
| 13:35 | <@Belugas> | hey Wolf01 |
| 13:36 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12274 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Change: [API CHANGE] Removed AITownList_vRandomize, as AIList_vRandomize already does that |
| 13:36 | < | [1][1]Roujin> or b) draw them according to road and tram bits rather than only road bits |
| 13:37 | <@Belugas> | indeed Roujin, using SetRoadSide, around line 1247 and 1291 |
| 13:37 | <@Belugas> | draw.. not too sure about draw, finally |
| 13:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12275 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_vehiclelist_valuator.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix r12273: people always find typos AFTER you commit :( (tnx yorick) |
| 13:37 | < | [1][1]Roujin> problem is b) would add trees and lamps to the sides of tram-only and i don't know how that would look oO |
| 13:37 | <@Belugas> | it shold be a state marked |
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| 13:38 | <nzvip> | :( |
| 13:38 | <Phantasm> | Belugas: Any news for the too little industry and big maps bug? |
| 13:38 | <nzvip> | Newest revision of trunk does not compile for me. ;-; |
| 13:38 | <Phantasm> | s/and/on/ |
| 13:39 | <@Belugas> | Roujin: the idea is : road crossign a tram track? setRoadSide(ROADSIDE_PAVED) or something |
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| 13:39 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r12276 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (4 files): [NoAI] -Fix: more typos (tnx yorick) |
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| 13:40 | < | [1][1]Roujin> you sure you'd rather change the roadside than just prevent drawing the tree/lamps? |
| 13:40 | <nzvip> | Belugas: You know anything about this not compiling? |
| 13:40 | <nzvip> | Or am I missing something? |
| 13:41 | <@Belugas> | could help getting your error |
| 13:41 | <nzvip> | [LANG][LANG] Compiling string.cpp |
| 13:41 | <nzvip> | /home/svip/openttd-dev/trunk/src/openttd.h:121: error: expected unqualified-id before ‘<<’ token |
| 13:41 | <@Belugas> | does not ring a bell to me |
| 13:42 | < | [1][1]Roujin> I mean, the commit by frosch (iirc) that prevented trees&lamps under bridges also just prevented them being drawn, not changed the whole roadside |
| 13:42 | <nzvip> | Is it possible to download an entire new version of the trunk, rather than updating it, Belugas? |
| 13:42 | <nzvip> | I know it is, but I forget the svn command. |
| 13:43 | <@Belugas> | nzvip : svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk |
| 13:43 | <@Belugas> | dunno [1]Roujin |
| 13:43 | <@Belugas> | could be |
| 13:43 | <@Belugas> | nzvip, you could svn revert trunk too... |
| 13:43 | <@peter1138> | Belugas, do it the same way as under bridges. |
| 13:43 | <Noldo> | svn status should tell if there are differences |
| 13:43 | * | NukeBuster is away: Driving lessons (stay inside) |
| 13:44 | <nzvip> | I see a lot of question marks, Noldo. |
| 13:44 | <@peter1138> | Bah, RoR’s recovery truck is useless for things lower than itself... |
| 13:44 | < | [1][1]Roujin> then the correct place is right before the line: /* Draw extra details. */ <-- in road_cmd.cpp i guess |
| 13:44 | <+glx> | nzvip: looks like a conflict |
| 13:45 | <nzvip> | Entirely redownloading the thing made it work. |
| 13:45 | < | [1][1]Roujin> there's the check for bridges aswell |
| 13:45 | <Noldo> | new check out is like booting, solutuing for the lazy |
| 13:48 | <@Belugas> | Noldo, that or a new project ;) |
| 13:49 | <@Belugas> | noted peter1138 and [1]Roujin |
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| 13:50 | <Wolf01> | Belugas, do you know I still not understand what are you doing with bridges? :P |
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| 13:52 | < | [1][1]Roujin> Eddi: do you have the savegame where you encountered the glitch? |
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| 13:54 | <+glx> | Wolf01: for now he just do some cleanup to make the code easier to understand |
| 13:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | [1][1]Roujin: yes, but it is with Gonozal_VIII's patch pack, and huge |
| 13:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | should be easier to just create a new game, or not? |
| 13:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | huh? |
| 13:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what's with my patchpack? |
| 13:58 | < | [1][1]Roujin> ouch... i failed to make a town with trees on the roadside |
| 13:58 | < | [1][1]Roujin> turns out i had full details deactivated |
| 13:58 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | haha ;) |
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| 13:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | strange, the logs stop 16 min ago |
| 13:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | aaah |
| 13:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that could be the reason^^ |
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| 14:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | :S there's different stuff in the logs than here |
| 14:01 | < | [1][1]Roujin> well I've tried out my proposal b) i mentioned before |
| 14:02 | <Gonozal_VIII> | sooo what were you talking about? |
| 14:02 | < | [1][1]Roujin> pros: only one little change in code: ...[road] goes ...[road | tram] |
| 14:02 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Gonozal_VIII: it's a secret |
| 14:02 | * | Gonozal_VIII cries |
| 14:02 | < | [1][1]Roujin> cons: makes a roadside (even with trees/lamps) for tram only tracks in the town |
| 14:03 | < | [1][1]Roujin> i'll post a screen at your flyspray entry eddi |
| 14:04 | < | [1][1]Roujin> uh btw, does newest trunk compile now? |
| 14:06 | <@peter1138> | Yes. |
| 14:06 | * | Belugas is releaved |
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| 14:12 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hm, my tram system is not capable of bringing the people to the main station anymore... |
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