| --- | Log | opened Wed Feb 06 00:00:29 2008 |
| 00:04 | <DaleStan> | I suspected as much, but figured it was at least worth asking. |
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| 01:51 | <DJ-Nekkid> | DaleStan: i thought you were the newgrf expert :) |
| 01:51 | <Gonozal_VIII> | not for open |
| 01:51 | <DaleStan> | In Patch. Not in Open. |
| 01:52 | <DJ-Nekkid> | hehe... |
| 01:52 | <DaleStan> | Open's newgrf support is about as well documented as Patch's code. Not at all. |
| 01:52 | <DJ-Nekkid> | no doubt... |
| 01:53 | <Gonozal_VIII> | as far as i understand, the code is not complete and gets changed as soon as some grf doesn't work as it should |
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| 02:23 | <@peter1138> | Arrrr! |
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| 02:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what did you break now? |
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| 03:10 | <TinoDidriksen> | http://dl.ziza.ru/other/022008/01/pics/02_pics.jpg |
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| 03:56 | <yorick> | I'm trying to get the station track reservation in your YAPP, but its not redrawn when a train goes over it :( |
| 03:56 | <yorick> | michi_cc |
| 03:57 | <yorick> | I do not have enough cpp knowledge to get that working |
| 03:58 | <yorick> | I mean the newgrf changing station when reserved |
| 04:01 | <yorick> | or maybe I do |
| 04:02 | <yorick> | removes if pbs_debug_level >= 2 |
| 04:02 | <yorick> | et voila :) |
| 04:03 | * | yorick is talking to himself |
| 04:10 | <yorick> | it works :) |
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| 04:14 | <yorick> | hello peter |
| 04:15 | <yorick> | I have the PBS station reserved prop for newgrfs working |
| 04:16 | <@peter1138> | Yes, it was a simple patch... |
| 04:16 | <yorick> | however, it did not redraw the station ;) |
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| 04:19 | <@peter1138> | *nod* |
| 04:19 | <@peter1138> | It did with pbs debugging ;) |
| 04:20 | <yorick> | yes |
| 04:20 | <yorick> | but not without ;) |
| 04:20 | <yorick> | it works if pbs debug is set to 2 or higher |
| 04:20 | <yorick> | I have just removed the if and let it be marked dirty in all cases |
| 04:29 | <yorick> | away now |
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| 04:37 | <@peter1138> | RoR.bin: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed. |
| 04:37 | <@peter1138> | (0) : fatal error C9999: *** exception during compilation *** |
| 04:37 | <@peter1138> | ^ ARGH |
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| 04:43 | <Yorick> | whats RoR? |
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| 04:52 | <Yorick> | I have a question. |
| 04:54 | <Yorick> | how can it be that this savegame is eating 90% of CPU? http://rapidshare.de/files/38504025/Mega_Transport__1_Okt_1986.sav.html |
| 04:54 | <Noldo> | does it have a lot of ships? |
| 04:55 | <Yorick> | only 50 |
| 04:55 | <Noldo> | how big is the map? |
| 04:56 | <Yorick> | 2048x2048 |
| 04:56 | <Yorick> | just download it |
| 04:56 | <Noldo> | I don't have the game here |
| 04:56 | <Noldo> | ships on a big map are very cpu heavy |
| 04:57 | <Yorick> | when I try to stop them, it drops to 80% |
| 04:59 | <Yorick> | when was tonnes renamed to kg and litres to m3? |
| 04:59 | <Yorick> | ait |
| 04:59 | <Yorick> | since I set it to SI instead of metric |
| 05:00 | <keyweed> | how many furlongs per fortnight does your train do? |
| 05:01 | <Yorick> | what? |
| 05:02 | <keyweed> | 1 (furlongs / fortnight) = 0.000166309524 m / s |
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| 05:51 | <redmonkey> | hi. how many squares is a train able to look ahead (to find a drive-through service depot for example)? |
| 05:51 | <Noldo> | what? |
| 05:52 | <Yorick> | yapf.look_ahead or something |
| 05:53 | <Yorick> | for yapf, it looks ahead 10 signals by defaul |
| 05:53 | <Yorick> | t |
| 05:53 | <Yorick> | drive-through service depots don't exist |
| 05:53 | <Yorick> | it can look ahead endlessly, I think |
| 05:54 | <redmonkey> | ___/===^===\___ |
| 05:54 | <redmonkey> | i meant a depot placed like this |
| 05:54 | <Yorick> | oh |
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| 05:57 | <redmonkey> | i have a train here with a reliability of 0% but it wouldn't like to go in such a depot |
| 05:58 | <redmonkey> | ..automatically |
| 05:58 | <Yorick> | breakdowns to off |
| 05:58 | <Noldo> | which pathfinder? |
| 05:59 | <Yorick> | disable service when breakdowns are off set to on |
| 05:59 | <Yorick> | YAPF |
| 05:59 | <redmonkey> | YAPF for trains is ON |
| 06:00 | <redmonkey> | breakdowns are set to reduced |
| 06:00 | <Yorick> | everytime I see a train passing throug a PBS signal, and there is another train in the same block, I think "they're gonna crash!" |
| 06:00 | <Yorick> | breakdowns must be set to off |
| 06:01 | <Yorick> | and then, you see the train changing its path the last moment ^^ |
| 06:01 | <Yorick> | I hope the YAPP hits trunk |
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| 06:02 | <blathijs> | YAPP? |
| 06:02 | <redmonkey> | but i don't want to disable breakdowns completely |
| 06:02 | <Noldo> | blathijs: the new pbs thing |
| 06:02 | <blathijs> | Yet Another PBS Project ? :-p |
| 06:03 | <Yorick> | yes |
| 06:03 | <blathijs> | Noldo: Is it any good? |
| 06:03 | <Yorick> | yes |
| 06:03 | <Noldo> | Patch actually |
| 06:03 | <Yorick> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107 |
| 06:03 | <Noldo> | haven't tried, but people seem to like it |
| 06:04 | <Yorick> | yes |
| 06:04 | <Yorick> | if you build it correctly, 0 crashes |
| 06:04 | <blathijs> | Noldo: I was curious as to code quality in particular, but you haven't seen it |
| 06:05 | <Noldo> | no and my code quality eye is quite lazy anyway |
| 06:05 | <Yorick> | <belugas>I have not yet tried it, but i can cmpliment you at least |
| 06:05 | <Yorick> | a) for the effort |
| 06:05 | <Yorick> | b) for the almost perfect compliance to the code style |
| 06:05 | <Yorick> | c) for quite a good presentation :) |
| 06:06 | <@peter1138> | "<Yorick> everytime I see a train passing throug a PBS signal, ...." That's why I keep PBS paths visible... ;) |
| 06:07 | <Yorick> | it isn't very visible with maglev |
| 06:07 | <@peter1138> | Oh, well I don't use maglev very often. |
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| 06:08 | <@peter1138> | It arrives too late and is ugly, heh |
| 06:08 | <Yorick> | but is fast |
| 06:09 | <@peter1138> | There's nowhere to put it after a map has been filled with regular rails for 80 years. |
| 06:09 | <Yorick> | you can start in 2022 ;) |
| 06:09 | <@peter1138> | That would be horrible. |
| 06:09 | <@peter1138> | I'd miss out on the early vehicles. |
| 06:09 | <Yorick> | oh noes! |
| 06:09 | <DJ-Nekkid> | peter1138: then you hopefully will love the 2cc set ;) *promote* |
| 06:09 | <@peter1138> | Clearly we have different goals when playing this game. |
| 06:10 | <@peter1138> | "the 2cc set" ? |
| 06:10 | <DJ-Nekkid> | purno's 2cc set ... |
| 06:10 | <DJ-Nekkid> | *hook you up with link in a sec* |
| 06:10 | <DJ-Nekkid> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=28051&sid=7b38713e29fc78cd5b55e84dff07a91e&start=520 |
| 06:11 | <DJ-Nekkid> | now there are a handfull more coded as well |
| 06:11 | <@peter1138> | How strange. |
| 06:11 | <DJ-Nekkid> | and monorail is converted into metro's... |
| 06:11 | <@peter1138> | I prefer to use a country-themed set. UKRS, DBSetXL, USSet, etc... |
| 06:11 | <DJ-Nekkid> | kinda slow, but high capacity inner city trains |
| 06:11 | <Yorick> | Dutch Train set :] |
| 06:12 | <DJ-Nekkid> | is that done yet Yorick ? |
| 06:12 | <Yorick> | no |
| 06:12 | <DJ-Nekkid> | all i've seen from that is a buggy alpha |
| 06:16 | <redmonkey> | isn't it just too easy to disable breakdowns? |
| 06:16 | <Yorick> | have it your way |
| 06:17 | <Yorick> | but there is no way to disable servicing then |
| 06:18 | <redmonkey> | well, i don't want to disable servicing. i'm just wondering why some trains doesn't go to a depot to repair themself |
| 06:19 | <Yorick> | the depots are too far away? |
| 06:19 | <redmonkey> | it works on normal depots that are directly on a railtrack without any problem |
| 06:19 | <Yorick> | I think they only service when there is a depot 20 tiles away from them |
| 06:20 | <redmonkey> | let me count... |
| 06:20 | <Yorick> | :D |
| 06:20 | <redmonkey> | it's 12 tiles away |
| 06:20 | <Yorick> | and reachable? |
| 06:20 | <Yorick> | without having to turn somewhere |
| 06:21 | <redmonkey> | yes |
| 06:21 | <Yorick> | is it in need of servicing? |
| 06:22 | <redmonkey> | yes, it is |
| 06:22 | <Yorick> | 150 days since the last service? |
| 06:22 | <redmonkey> | hmm, i think it works with 6 tiles only |
| 06:23 | <redmonkey> | i lowered the service interval to 90 days |
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| 06:44 | <@peter1138> | Boo, my A380 crashed :o |
| 06:44 | <Yorick> | }) |
| 06:44 | <Yorick> | is that av8? |
| 06:47 | <@peter1138> | Yeah |
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| 06:47 | <Yorick> | go including variable aircrash rates then! |
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| 06:49 | <SmatZ> | hello |
| 06:49 | <Yorick> | hello |
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| 07:06 | <Yorick> | [12:47][12:47] <Yorick> peter1138: go including variable aircrash rates then! |
| 07:10 | <Gekz> | lolol |
| 07:10 | <Yorick> | lol? |
| 07:12 | <Gekz> | lol! |
| 07:15 | <Yorick> | why? |
| 07:18 | <Gekz> | because. |
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| 07:20 | <planetmaker> | hi |
| 07:20 | <planetmaker> | I got a question as I obviously miss something... |
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| 07:20 | <planetmaker> | I just compiled ottd's latest nightly with the pbs patch. |
| 07:21 | <planetmaker> | but many graphics are missing like those for the pre-signals and the autorail tool etc. |
| 07:21 | <planetmaker> | Which file am I'm missing? ottd doesn't complain... |
| 07:22 | <SmatZ> | planetmaker: what OS are you running? do you have subversion installed? |
| 07:22 | <SmatZ> | or try ./configure --with |
| 07:22 | <SmatZ> | or try ./configure --revision=rxxxxx |
| 07:23 | <planetmaker> | I'm running SuSE linux 10.0. I have subversion |
| 07:23 | <Gekz> | --with-me ? |
| 07:23 | <Yorick> | openttdw.grf? |
| 07:23 | <planetmaker> | yorick: there is one. It gets generated. |
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| 07:23 | <Yorick|AFK> | afk again |
| 07:24 | <SmatZ> | planetmaker: does OTTD window say OpenTTD r12xxxM , or OpenTTD norev0000 (or so...) |
| 07:24 | <planetmaker> | the latter. It gives a warning that no revision is specified during compilation. |
| 07:24 | <@peter1138> | Best to check out the source with svn, rather than download the nightly's source. |
| 07:25 | <planetmaker> | peter1138: never did that. can you give me a step by step instruction, please? |
| 07:25 | <@peter1138> | "svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/" |
| 07:25 | <Gekz> | pwned! |
| 07:26 | <Gekz> | svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/ openttd |
| 07:26 | <Gekz> | huzzah |
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| 07:38 | <redmonkey> | wouldn't it be nice if there were a little extra program that loads your openttd savegames and displays it in 3d? where you're able to walk around and jump in into a train of yours and drive with it to the next stop? :) |
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| 07:39 | <DJ-Nekkid> | gl on that |
| 07:40 | <redmonkey> | hehe, you don't have to tell me.. i'm not a programmer :) |
| 07:41 | <Forked> | "a little extra" ? :) |
| 07:41 | <redmonkey> | i mean a separate program |
| 07:41 | <redmonkey> | as a side project or something |
| 07:43 | <SmatZ> | redmonkey: yeah, it would be nice, you just need 3D models of all buildings, vehicles and all sprites generally... |
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| 07:45 | <redmonkey> | uhh, sound like a lot of work :) |
| 07:45 | <redmonkey> | *sounds |
| 07:46 | <SmatZ> | yeah |
| 07:50 | <planetmaker> | peter1138: SmatZ: thx. I'll give it a try with the svn version, patched with yapp. I'll know soon... |
| 07:50 | <Yorick> | using windows? |
| 07:50 | <planetmaker> | whom? me? no. Linux |
| 07:50 | <Yorick> | ok |
| 07:50 | <planetmaker> | At least now. |
| 07:50 | <Yorick> | I would have had a windows binary here |
| 07:51 | <planetmaker> | this evening I might give it a try on mac :). But if you have win binary with the latest yapp I'd be glad |
| 07:51 | <planetmaker> | I prefer to play on my desktop that is. Can you e-mail me to newsgroups (ät) planetmaker.de ? |
| 07:52 | <Yorick> | I've edited the patch so newGRF's with newStations can use the reservation state |
| 07:52 | <planetmaker> | That definitely is no backdraw :). Any newgrf which I then should download? |
| 07:53 | <Yorick> | the only grf I know that uses it is the Industrial Stations Renewal Set(train sheds opening/closing) |
| 07:53 | <Yorick> | do you want only the binary or the language files and grf files too? |
| 07:54 | <planetmaker> | that's in the ottdc grf package? |
| 07:54 | <Yorick> | yes |
| 07:55 | <planetmaker> | If the language and grf files are compatible with normal nightly I'll have no problem to not receive them |
| 07:55 | <Yorick> | the language files arent |
| 07:55 | <planetmaker> | hm. I'd need an English or German version |
| 07:56 | <Yorick> | Tar, 7-zip, Rar or zip |
| 07:56 | <planetmaker> | anything except 7-zip is fine. preferred tar or zip |
| 07:56 | <DJ-Nekkid> | what would the syntax for the running cost of train be? 0E xx xx 00 00 0D <factor> ? |
| 07:56 | <planetmaker> | or gz |
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| 07:58 | <planetmaker> | peter1138: thx. the svn version compiled fine and no missing grf now |
| 07:58 | <planetmaker> | Yorick: can you tell me? How do I place pbs signals? |
| 07:59 | <DJ-Nekkid> | ctrl-click on them |
| 07:59 | <Gekz> | point blank shot signals! |
| 07:59 | <DJ-Nekkid> | and it will cycle between normal-pre-exit-combo-pbs |
| 07:59 | <DJ-Nekkid> | i assume |
| 07:59 | <Yorick> | signal GUI ;) |
| 07:59 | <Yorick> | DJ-Nekkid: if you set it so in the patches |
| 08:00 | <Yorick> | planetmaker: I don't like email, can I upload it somewhere? |
| 08:00 | <DJ-Nekkid> | or use signal gui :) |
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| 08:03 | <Yorick> | http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/44243/openttd-r12062-pbs-zip.html |
| 08:03 | <planetmaker> | DJ-Nekkid: seems easiest. thx |
| 08:04 | <Yorick> | planetmaker: see download url above ^_^ |
| 08:05 | <planetmaker> | yorick: file downloaded. thx :) |
| 08:05 | <Yorick> | deleting it again |
| 08:06 | <planetmaker> | Okay, I think I'll have get to work now again :) and play around this evening... |
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| 08:06 | -!- | planetmaker is now known as pm|work |
| 08:06 | <pm|work> | I just got too curious with so many people trying out this nice new patch :) |
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| 08:08 | <Yorick> | I think that how many people use this patch and not the official openttd nightlys influences the time it gets included :-P |
| 08:10 | <Yorick> | there is already a server running with the patch |
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| 08:12 | <ln-> | our agent in brazil |
| 08:13 | <Yorick> | or Owenia |
| 08:15 | <@orudge`> | quite |
| 08:15 | <@orudge`> | but only until tomorrow evening |
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| 08:18 | <DirtYiCE> | hi |
| 08:18 | <Yorick> | hi |
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| 08:19 | <DirtYiCE> | ping Rubidium |
| 08:20 | <Yorick> | [14:20][14:20] -NickServ- 1 (online, not identified) |
| 08:21 | <Sacro> | our agent with a brazillian? |
| 08:22 | <@orudge`> | you make jokes like that far too much, Sacro, they weren't funny the first time :p |
| 08:30 | <Sacro> | q a b c=putStrLn $ b ++ [toEnum 10,'q','('] ++ show b ++ [','] ++ show c ++ [','] ++ show a ++ [')'] |
| 08:30 | <Sacro> | main=q "q a b c=putStrLn $ b ++ [toEnum 10,'q','('] ++ show b ++ [','] ++ show c ++ [','] ++ show a ++ [')']" "def q(a,b,c):print b+chr(10)+'q('+repr(b)+','+repr(c)+','+repr(a)+')'" "def e(x) return 34.chr+x+34.chr end;def q(a,b,c) print b+10.chr+'main=q '+e(b)+' '+e(c)+' '+e(a)+' '+10.chr end" |
| 08:31 | * | Forked implodes |
| 08:31 | * | keyweed blinks |
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| 08:43 | <DaveWorley> | Afternoon all. |
| 08:44 | <Sacro> | Dave! |
| 08:45 | <DaveWorley> | Jesu'. |
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| 09:15 | <Yorick> | there is exactly one YAPP testing server from tycoonez.com:munity, but its in 1930>no rail to build :( |
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| 09:25 | <Typhoon> | yo |
| 09:26 | <Sacro> | i wanna play with PBS D: |
| 09:26 | <Sacro> | someone start a server |
| 09:26 | <Yorick> | there is one |
| 09:26 | <Yorick> | }) |
| 09:26 | <Vikthor> | Yorick: Its with usset, ther should be trains |
| 09:26 | <Yorick> | no newgrfs ;) |
| 09:26 | <Typhoon> | does anyone know if TTDAlter works on Vista/ |
| 09:27 | <Yorick> | not for ottd |
| 09:27 | <@orudge`> | should do |
| 09:27 | <@orudge`> | I've not tested it |
| 09:27 | <@orudge`> | but I don't see why it shouldn't work |
| 09:27 | <Vikthor> | Yorick: ahh, now i remember I switched them off. But I forgot to change the year |
| 09:27 | <Yorick> | OMG |
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| 09:29 | <Yorick> | its being compiled for openttdcoop.dev ;) |
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| 09:29 | <@orudge`> | 11:27:19] <Yorick> not for ottd <-- he asked about Vista, not OpenTTD ;) |
| 09:29 | <@orudge`> | TTDAlter has never worked with OpenTTD, obviously |
| 09:30 | <Yorick> | still 1930, Vikthor |
| 09:31 | <Vikthor> | hmm |
| 09:33 | <Vikthor> | Now it's 1930 but with Usset :D |
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| 09:41 | * | peter1138 wonders how Sacro will cope with not being able to place signals every other tile... |
| 09:41 | <@peter1138> | Hmm, well I suppose you can... |
| 09:42 | <@orudge`> | why wouldn't he be able to? |
| 09:43 | <@peter1138> | I'd ban him :D |
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| 09:55 | <keyweed> | you should. every tile should have a sign! |
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| 09:57 | <@peter1138> | Is there a short-cut key for one-way roads? |
| 09:59 | <Sacro> | peter1138: i hate having to do that |
| 09:59 | <Sacro> | it tends to be the only way thouhg |
| 10:00 | <Sacro> | anything longer is inefficient when doing points |
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| 10:03 | <DJ-Nekk|d> | what would be the proper way to make a vehicle never expire? \b0 or \b255 ? |
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| 10:28 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | arghh... my system is awfully screwed up today... |
| 10:30 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i had memory overflow earlier today... something didn't recover from that properly... |
| 10:30 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i'll try to restart X |
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| 10:32 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: frosch * r12070 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup(r12042): Water-owner of shipdepots is no longer needed. Removed. |
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| 11:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ping? |
| 11:04 | <saati> | pong |
| 11:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why is the channel so silent? |
| 11:05 | <ln-> | you only arrived 5 mins ago. |
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| 11:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you pinged me!! |
| 11:12 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: frosch * r12071 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp water.h water_cmd.cpp): -Feature(ette): Draw river- and canal-edges under docks and shipdepots. |
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| 11:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm... i just had a crash... |
| 11:18 | <Eddi|zuHause> | reversing train while waiting at signal... |
| 11:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | well... bad |
| 11:18 | <Eddi|zuHause> | michi_cc: these may not happen under any circumstances |
| 11:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Gonozal_VIII: well, i just saved 5 days before ;) |
| 11:19 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: frosch * r12072 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp water_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Make docks at sea flood neighboured tiles. |
| 11:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | load because of a crash? naaah |
| 11:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | load because of finding out why |
| 11:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | reversing train while waiting at signal... |
| 11:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | your why ;-) |
| 11:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | goes to the other signal behind him from the backside, can't stop, no path, boom |
| 11:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | they should only be allowed to pass through the backside of a signal if they have a path |
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| 11:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there was no signal behind it |
| 11:25 | <Gonozal_VIII> | then what did it crash into? |
| 11:26 | <Sacro> | someone start a server |
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| 11:27 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it went straight back on the crossing |
| 11:27 | <Eddi|zuHause> | before it reached anything like a signal, it crashed with another train |
| 11:28 | <Gonozal_VIII> | you reversed a train into a crossing without any signals? |
| 11:28 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and you're wondering about the crash?^^ |
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| 11:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | not I reversed |
| 11:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it reversed by itself!! |
| 11:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | because it waited too long at a signal! |
| 11:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | pbs signal? |
| 11:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i was on the other side of the map! |
| 11:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no, normal signal |
| 11:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | see... there's your problem |
| 11:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | "exit" signal |
| 11:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | they don't reverse at pbs signals |
| 11:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it is not a problem |
| 11:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | this is how it is intended |
| 11:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | michi_cc said it himself yesterday... all entrance signals PBS, all exit signals normal signals |
| 11:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes... bad layout, crash, this is how it is intended :-) |
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| 11:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you are an idiot |
| 11:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 11:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | this is exactly the scenario why the last PBS patch was rejected |
| 11:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | train reverses -> boom |
| 11:32 | <NukeBuster> | !logs |
| 11:32 | <SpComb> | Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd |
| 11:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | then don't use normal signals there or a pbs signal in front of the crossing... |
| 11:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | no signal at all, how is the train supposed to know it has to stop? |
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| 11:35 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the train is not supposed to go there |
| 11:36 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there's a don't care on that it has to stop |
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| 11:39 | <@peter1138> | Why is it so hard to understand? |
| 11:39 | <@peter1138> | Crashes bad. |
| 11:41 | <SmatZ> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kDMvPCkFSU&feature=related (trams, on topic) |
| 11:41 | <hylje> | Trams! Always related! |
| 11:41 | <hylje> | .. eh, what? |
| 11:42 | <@peter1138> | errr. wtf |
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| 11:43 | <@Belugas> | i do NOT want to visit that city... |
| 11:44 | <NukeBuster> | me neither |
| 11:44 | <valhallasw> | wtf |
| 11:44 | <NukeBuster> | indeed |
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| 11:46 | <ln-> | wtf, it is already going straight ahead, but then magically jumps to left? |
| 11:46 | <hylje> | that's the real WTF |
| 11:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i found a big wtf just now |
| 11:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | a train waits patiently in front of a pbs signal for another train to pass by.. |
| 11:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but then suddenly the signal turns green and crash |
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| 11:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | like this big? |
| 11:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | \ /___ __ |
| 11:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | \ / | |_ |
| 11:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | \/\/ | | |
| 11:49 | * | keyweed suggests figlet |
| 11:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and now another train ignored an empty platform and entered the busy one... boom again |
| 11:50 | <keyweed> | el quaeda suicide trains mod? |
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| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Gonozal_VIII: there is a funny sideffect when a train without a reservation is on a track |
| 11:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | besides the boom? |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | when a train reserves a track underneath another train |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that other train clears the reservation while it is going on |
| 11:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so even when these two trains miss each other |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the third train faces unreserved track |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so it can delay the crash |
| 11:53 | <Gonozal_VIII> | years later some trains crash there for no visible reason^^ |
| 11:54 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yeah, because one train gets delayed by cosmic dust or so |
| 11:56 | <Eddi|zuHause> | BR 250... that's a useful engine for once... |
| 11:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | from 150 to 250 |
| 11:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/pbs/ |
| 11:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no, from 254 (= E 94) to 250, rather... |
| 12:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i have a few E 44, too |
| 12:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | they don't look past the next order... pathfinder flaw |
| 12:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i have 39 194 and 38 150 |
| 12:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what's a 194? i think i never used those |
| 12:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | E 94 (DRG) == 194 (DB) == 254 (DR) |
| 12:05 | <@peter1138> | Gonozal_VIII, that might be solved by implicit signals at platform ends |
| 12:05 | <Eddi|zuHause> | getting confused yet? ;) |
| 12:06 | <@peter1138> | DBSetXL has way too many engines that are very similar |
| 12:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, like 181 and 111 at the same time... |
| 12:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | one is a tiny bit faster, the other a tiny bit stronger |
| 12:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | lifetime of engines should be more random... |
| 12:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | when i bougth them at the same time, they all get old at the same time |
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| 12:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that is totally unrealistic |
| 12:10 | <Gonozal_VIII> | Gonozal_VIII, that might be solved by implicit signals at platform ends <-- could cause deadlocks with a station setup like on my screenshot |
| 12:10 | <@peter1138> | hmm true |
| 12:10 | <@peter1138> | then a complete path needs to be reserved |
| 12:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | they should always reserve a path all the way to the next signal or end of the line, no matter if it really wants to go there |
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| 12:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | if the pathfinder has no idea where to go from the station, which path should it reserve? |
| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | [12:08][12:08] <Eddi|zuHause> that is totally unrealistic <--- Good! I like it! let's keep it that way :D |
| 12:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | :p |
| 12:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | if the path splits without signals, reserve both |
| 12:15 | <Gonozal_VIII> | because if it doesn't do that other trains could enter from there... destined to crash because there are no signals |
| 12:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm... autoreplace fails... |
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| 12:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ok, reserving both is not good |
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| 12:27 | <Gonozal_VIII> | look and reserve the following orders until it reaches a safe place |
| 12:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | possible infinite loop |
| 12:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | plus, you cannot reserve backwards |
| 12:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you free this track when you go over it |
| 12:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | even when you intend to go over it a second time |
| 12:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why reserve backwards? |
| 12:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | if it turns around, end of path is reached |
| 12:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | trains can reverse in stations |
| 12:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes, then it reserves the platform |
| 12:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and no other train can reserve a path to it |
| 12:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no, but it can reverse and go out of the station without passing another signal |
| 12:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | with the setup in my screenshot, there could still be a train from the leftmost station to the left middle and a train from the right to the right middle at the same time if they both turn around |
| 12:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | on previously unreserved track |
| 12:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | oh right... the reservation back is gone |
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| 12:40 | <UnderBuilder> | one question... how can I install openttd on damn small linux? |
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| 12:41 | <UnderBuilder> | it uses their own package manager |
| 12:42 | <Gonozal_VIII> | since when does openttd need an installation? |
| 12:42 | <Prof_Frink> | I'd go with "build from source". |
| 12:48 | <Yorick> | michi_cc? |
| 12:48 | <Yorick> | it seems like trains that are 'lost' can drive through PBS without a reservation... |
| 12:50 | <pm|work> | We / I could supply a save where to demonstrate that. |
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| 12:55 | <UnderBuilder> | are you answering to me? |
| 12:55 | <Yorick> | '? |
| 12:56 | <UnderBuilder> | <UnderBuilder> one question... how can I install openttd on damn small linux? |
| 12:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | openttd doesn't need installation |
| 12:56 | <UnderBuilder> | ??? |
| 12:56 | <UnderBuilder> | quote trainlord: huh? |
| 12:56 | <UnderBuilder> | lol |
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| 12:58 | <fjb> | Hello |
| 12:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hi |
| 12:59 | <Yorick> | hi |
| 13:01 | <SmatZ> | UnderBuilder: http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36097&hilit=DSL |
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| 13:02 | <Amis> | hi |
| 13:03 | <Yorick> | hi |
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| 13:04 | <UnderBuilder> | in that thread it says that I need to get some libraries which seems to be painful to install |
| 13:05 | <SmatZ> | choose other distribution |
| 13:05 | <SmatZ> | this is not OTTD problem, but rather DSL problem |
| 13:06 | <UnderBuilder> | my pc is a p2 celeron with 256mb ram |
| 13:06 | <UnderBuilder> | processor clock: 300mhz |
| 13:06 | <SmatZ> | I am running Gentoo on slower PC :-p |
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| 13:07 | <Wolf01> | hello |
| 13:07 | <SmatZ> | hello Wolf01 |
| 13:07 | <Yorick> | hello |
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| 13:09 | <DaleStan> | Belugas, peter1138: Do either of you know what Open does for bit 4 of varaction2 variable 1B? (1B is display options. Bit 4 is transparency.) |
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| 13:10 | * | Belugas checks |
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| 13:11 | <+glx> | case 0x1B: return GB(_display_opt, 0, 6); |
| 13:13 | <+glx> | it does nothing (we don't have bit 4 |
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