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| 04:06 | <@peter1138> | arrr |
| 04:08 | <Forked> | is it talk like a pirate day again? |
| 04:09 | <@peter1138> | arrrno |
| 04:12 | <Dominik> | i used to have that "talk like a pirate" addon in wow. that was fun |
| 04:12 | <@peter1138> | hilarity ensued, i am sure |
| 04:18 | <usv> | talk like a private |
| 04:25 | * | peter1138 goes 'GAH' at CDP and non-Cisco kit... |
| 04:27 | <Forked> | works well huh? |
| 04:33 | <@peter1138> | You know what I'm talking about, right? |
| 04:34 | <Forked> | I know about CDP and cisco equipment :) |
| 04:35 | <Forked> | I even have my own little cisco-lab at home .. that I should play more with |
| 04:36 | <@peter1138> | You know about CDP and non--Cisco equipment too? |
| 04:36 | <Forked> | hmm no |
| 04:36 | <Forked> | but any cisco-protocol that is implemented by not-cisco sounds like something I'd try to avoid :) |
| 04:36 | <@peter1138> | Crap router (10baseT) -> non-cisco switch -> Decent router (100baseTX) |
| 04:37 | <@peter1138> | it's not implemented, but it's passed through |
| 04:37 | <@peter1138> | in that configuration, with cdp enabled, it will complain that the duplex and speed settings are wrong. every few minutes. |
| 04:38 | <Forked> | urgh |
| 04:38 | <Forked> | sorry, no clue |
| 04:38 | <@peter1138> | ah well, cdp isn't that useful except for occasional "where the hell is that plugged into" uses... |
| 04:38 | * | Forked plays the clueless card once again |
| 04:38 | <@peter1138> | heh |
| 04:39 | <Forked> | hah I remember the scenarios in the CNAP curriculum (spelling?) .. what a wonderfull thing CDP is when the old network admin that suddenly left the company had not documentet a thing .. and you, the new one, wanted to see how it was.. good thing there was CDP then! :p |
| 04:39 | <@peter1138> | exactly |
| 04:39 | <@peter1138> | but only when it's all cisco kit, otherwise it tells lies :) |
| 04:39 | <@peter1138> | "hmm, this gigabit port appears to have two 10baseT devices on it!" |
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| 04:40 | <Forked> | I haven't gotten a cisco-job yet though .. but working on it! infiltrated my own ISP now .. lurking in the shadows waiting for a chance |
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| 05:41 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11970 /trunk/src/engine.cpp: -Cleanup: Remove old comment |
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| 05:44 | <dih> | lol |
| 05:44 | <dih> | nice commit peter1138 |
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| 05:47 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11971 /trunk/src/ (elrail.cpp engine.cpp oldloader.cpp): -Codechange: use of FOR_ALL_ENGINES/ENGINEIDS_OF_TYPE instead of for-loops |
| 05:49 | <@peter1138> | heh, 1.2KB cleaned off :p |
| 05:56 | <dih> | nice :-P |
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| 06:31 | <SmatZ> | hello |
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| 07:57 | <Ti> | so how about them trains and busses huh |
| 07:57 | <Ti> | crazy |
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| 08:34 | <dih> | train beats buss |
| 08:36 | <hylje> | plane beats train |
| 08:36 | <hylje> | bus beats plane |
| 08:38 | <@peter1138> | Transport PRS? :o |
| 08:41 | <@peter1138> | dih :D |
| 08:41 | <Forked> | no whoman no cry |
| 08:42 | <dih> | peter1138: ? |
| 08:42 | <@peter1138> | 2 reasons post |
| 08:42 | * | dih beats hylje |
| 08:42 | <dih> | :-P |
| 08:42 | <dih> | peter1138: ah |
| 08:42 | <dih> | :-P |
| 08:43 | <dih> | hehe - some people really get on me nevers |
| 08:43 | * | hylje beats peter1138 |
| 08:43 | <dih> | hehe |
| 08:43 | <dih> | when they think developers ow them anything |
| 08:43 | <dih> | esp if it's an os project |
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| 09:22 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: smatz * r11972 /trunk/src/ai/default/default.cpp: -Fix: old AI shouldn't build fast planes with a small airport in orders |
| 09:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | old AI shouldn't do lots of things :p |
| 09:24 | <SmatZ> | yeah |
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| 09:25 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | how about a project where you rip out the AI and replace it by a completely new scripting interface |
| 09:25 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | er, wait... |
| 09:25 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | :P |
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| 09:42 | <+glx> | Eddi|zuHause2: something like NoAI? ;) |
| 09:42 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | glx wins \o/ |
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| 09:49 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: frosch * r11973 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf.h): -Fix (r11726, r11947)[FS#1683]: Use grass tiles for corner shores, if shores got replaced by ActionA. |
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| 09:57 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: frosch * r11974 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1684]: Shore and sea tiles under bridges were converted to canals in old savegames. |
| 09:58 | * | frosch123 hates to collect all these numbers. |
| 09:58 | * | hylje collects frosch123's numbers |
| 09:58 | * | Belugas hates to compose meaninfull commit messages ;) |
| 09:58 | <@Belugas> | that more time than to actually code ! |
| 09:59 | * | frosch123 agrees with Belugas |
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| 10:02 | * | Digitalfox is testing a 4 sticks of RAM each 512 and the four are burn :( |
| 10:02 | * | Digitalfox now thinks how to explain that to his client |
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| 10:04 | * | Belugas wishes good luck to Digitalfox ;) |
| 10:05 | <hylje> | probably a broken mobo/PSU |
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| 10:05 | <Digitalfox> | Now how the hell am i going to explain to my client that his kid burn the 4 sticks of 512MB of Ram by overclocking.. When this client never worked with a computer and know 0 about what a MHZ is.. :( |
| 10:06 | <@Belugas> | unfortunate drops of coffee |
| 10:06 | <@Belugas> | tell you client to ask his kid to explain to old daddy what overclocking means :) |
| 10:07 | <@Belugas> | as well as the dangers of it! |
| 10:07 | <hylje> | car analogy! |
| 10:07 | <@Belugas> | no more problems! |
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| 10:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | overclocking bad for ram ok... but why all 4 sticks at the same time? |
| 10:11 | <Draakon> | wazzzaaaa? |
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| 10:11 | <Hendikins> | Maybe after that he'll dish out mega-hurts to the son :P |
| 10:12 | <Draakon> | whats up everyone? |
| 10:12 | <Hendikins> | (*boom tish*) |
| 10:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | now to apply some more patches because patches are cool :-) |
| 10:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | all the cool kids have them |
| 10:13 | <Draakon> | lol |
| 10:13 | <Draakon> | what patches? |
| 10:13 | <Hendikins> | Gonozal_VIII: Microsoft Windows is a patchwork quilt :P |
| 10:14 | <hylje> | --omg-optimize |
| 10:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i already have daylength, disable tree growth and the build & refit patch |
| 10:15 | <Draakon> | me only has Multiple sets patch and no industries closure and opeining one |
| 10:15 | <Hendikins> | I don't use patches. |
| 10:15 | <Draakon> | why? |
| 10:16 | <Hendikins> | Can't be stuffed |
| 10:16 | <Draakon> | bah |
| 10:16 | <@peter1138> | i don't use them either |
| 10:17 | <Draakon> | i never stop using patches :P |
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| 10:17 | <Gonozal_VIII> | no wonder you don't use them peter, you can just add anything you want to trunk^^ |
| 10:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yay copy & paste patch |
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| 10:18 | <Draakon> | Gonozal: but devs dont submit their work right away, they need to be tested |
| 10:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i know, i know |
| 10:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | daylength, disable tree growth and copy & paste had plenty of testing |
| 10:19 | <Draakon> | which reminds me, i must thinking of getting PBS patch too |
| 10:20 | <Draakon> | think* |
| 10:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i somehow want my trains to move out of depots and don't crash afterwards^^ |
| 10:21 | <Draakon> | erm |
| 10:21 | <Draakon> | that bug is fixed in the trunk in a ancient revisions ago |
| 10:21 | <Draakon> | if you are meaning clean trunk |
| 10:22 | <Gonozal_VIII> | pbs.. i just saw a screenshots of trains that were about to crash yesterday |
| 10:22 | <Gonozal_VIII> | -a |
| 10:22 | <Gonozal_VIII> | -s |
| 10:22 | <Gonozal_VIII> | not a^^ |
| 10:23 | <Draakon> | screenshot? where? |
| 10:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | forum |
| 10:24 | <Draakon> | screenshots section? |
| 10:25 | <Gonozal_VIII> | no something about pbs |
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| 10:26 | <madis[LA]> | hello |
| 10:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35623 |
| 10:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | there |
| 10:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hi la |
| 10:27 | <Draakon> | hi LA |
| 10:27 | <Draakon> | heh |
| 10:28 | <Draakon> | i see it too |
| 10:28 | <Draakon> | gargh! compiling failed |
| 10:30 | <@peter1138> | that pbs is a little... "risky" |
| 10:31 | <Draakon> | and the author has made a patch in the wrong way too |
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| 10:33 | <Draakon> | at last SVN fails for me on applying it |
| 10:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | with buildottd? |
| 10:33 | <Draakon> | no |
| 10:33 | <Draakon> | Tourtirise SVN |
| 10:34 | <Draakon> | Tortois* |
| 10:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i use that too :-) but didn't try pbs |
| 10:35 | <@peter1138> | tortoisesvn is good a failing on perfectly valid patches for no reason |
| 10:35 | <@peter1138> | *at |
| 10:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe indeed, had that yesterday with the build&refit patch |
| 10:37 | <Gonozal_VIII> | failed to open the patch file because it didn't like a line in the file for some reason.. the line looked completely normal |
| 10:39 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yay r11974 with copy & paste |
| 10:39 | <Draakon> | ? |
| 10:39 | <Gonozal_VIII> | my compile didn't fail |
| 10:44 | <Draakon> | http://www.russiatoday.ru/scitech/news/19777 |
| 10:44 | <Draakon> | read it |
| 10:44 | <Draakon> | and see what world is |
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| 10:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | not again that video games make people violent crap |
| 10:45 | <yorick> | hello |
| 10:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hi |
| 10:45 | <Draakon> | the thing is, one killed another for that game |
| 10:46 | <Draakon> | Hello yorick |
| 10:46 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that guy would most likely have killed for different reasons too |
| 10:46 | <yorick> | walls work really therapeutical |
| 10:47 | <Draakon> | Gonozal: but currently he dint |
| 10:53 | <Gonozal_VIII> | oh noes, i played too much openttd, now i'll steal a train and run over some trucks... |
| 10:53 | <Draakon> | someone call 911! |
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| 10:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | afk calling the police?^^ |
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| 10:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that was fast |
| 10:56 | <Draakon> | ? |
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| 10:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [16:55:27][16:55:27] Gonozal_VIII: afk calling the police?^^ |
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| 10:57 | <Draakon> | ah lol |
| 10:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what's sh.exe.stackdump? |
| 10:58 | <+glx> | sh crashed |
| 10:58 | <Draakon> | file? |
| 10:58 | <+glx> | nothing important |
| 10:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ah kk |
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| 11:00 | <Draakon> | :S |
| 11:00 | <Draakon> | dam IRC |
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| 11:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | daylength_treegrowth_refit_copypaste_r11974.patch <-- filename gets longer and longer^^ |
| 11:05 | <Draakon> | why do you make the patches into one? |
| 11:06 | <Draakon> | anyway my compiling is done too |
| 11:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | easier update to new revision |
| 11:06 | <Draakon> | ok |
| 11:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and less conflicts |
| 11:07 | <yorick> | and buildable with bottd :) |
| 11:07 | <@peter1138> | Bo! TTD |
| 11:08 | <Draakon> | oeh |
| 11:08 | * | Draakon wants some patches to be updated :P |
| 11:08 | <yorick> | well...not that I use it, but it comes with a whole packet of libs |
| 11:08 | <yorick> | and tools |
| 11:08 | <LordAzamath> | /Draakon wahts too much/ |
| 11:08 | <LordAzamath> | wants* |
| 11:09 | <Draakon> | LA: and how do you know that? |
| 11:09 | <yorick> | guessing? |
| 11:09 | <Draakon> | well hes wrong anyway |
| 11:09 | <Gonozal_VIII> | those patches were all for older revisions and applied without problems... guess i got lucky there |
| 11:10 | <@peter1138> | [TXT][TXT] enginepool20080116b...> 16-Jan-2008 17:56 75K |
| 11:10 | <@peter1138> | [TXT][TXT] enginepool20080122a...> 22-Jan-2008 19:23 74K |
| 11:10 | <@peter1138> | [TXT][TXT] enginepool20080124b...> 24-Jan-2008 16:09 73K |
| 11:10 | <@peter1138> | getting smaller :o |
| 11:10 | <Draakon> | are they updated from r11813 too? |
| 11:11 | <@peter1138> | 11971 |
| 11:11 | <Draakon> | can you send me that one? |
| 11:11 | <Draakon> | :) |
| 11:11 | <@peter1138> | it's there |
| 11:11 | <yorick> | more and more things are being included |
| 11:11 | * | yorick wants to know where its used for |
| 11:12 | <Gonozal_VIII> | enginepool is for more different vehicles |
| 11:12 | <Draakon> | peter: where? it will be in revision 11971? |
| 11:12 | <yorick> | Gonozal_VIII: really usefull ;) |
| 11:12 | <@peter1138> | no, that's the revision it's against |
| 11:12 | <Gonozal_VIII> | imho trains, rvs and planes are enough but 11 ships? |
| 11:13 | <Draakon> | only one ship set is out there so why need of increasing it? |
| 11:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | maybe there would be more ship sets with more possible ships? |
| 11:14 | <Digitalfox> | peter1138: smaller?? Must be that comment you erased lol |
| 11:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | like river ships... |
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| 11:14 | <hylje> | because its not much of a stretch to implement a generic way of doing stuff |
| 11:16 | <Draakon> | peter: sorry i dint get you, must be of the direness |
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| 11:18 | <Dominik> | is it supposed to be possible to make rivers in the scn editor even when no river graphics are installed? there are graphical glitches when canal graphics are used on slopes |
| 11:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm now the only thing i'm missing in my game version is a platform type for transrapid track |
| 11:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | install river graphics and the glitches are gone |
| 11:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | placing rivers without them doesn't make much sense ;-) |
| 11:20 | <Dominik> | that's what i mean, it shouldn't be possible imo |
| 11:20 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | <Gonozal_VIII> i already have daylength, disable tree growth and the build & refit patch <- i have no fences, daylength, trains-stop-in-the-middle-of-platform and modified-terraforming-costs-fix |
| 11:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | trains stop in the middle of platform? |
| 11:21 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yeah, it's my own creation |
| 11:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i have no fences too, but that's because i replace the sprites with emptyness |
| 11:21 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | although i didn't ever officially release it |
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| 11:21 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | but i'm sure i put it somewhere |
| 11:21 | <hylje> | hence the lack of neat name |
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| 11:22 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and what does modified terraforming cost do? |
| 11:22 | <hylje> | .. modify terraforming costs? |
| 11:22 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i know that:P but how? |
| 11:22 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it's from wwottdgd, they patched the building of foundations to not be based on terraforming costs |
| 11:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ah i see |
| 11:23 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | to make terraforming really expensive, but foundations a reasonable alternative |
| 11:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | well, i don't care about that... |
| 11:23 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | anyway, my patch could be at www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/middle_stop.diff |
| 11:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and it could possibly be against r10450 ;) |
| 11:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe |
| 11:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and i'm sure it had one minor conflict recently |
| 11:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm very small |
| 11:25 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | the conflict was about the naming of a constant |
| 11:25 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | easy to fix |
| 11:26 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i don't change the deceleration though, so the realistic acceleration steers towards the end of the platform, and then does an "emergency stop" |
| 11:26 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it's completely savegame agnostic though |
| 11:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | O_o for such a small file it makes a lot of colourful lines |
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| 11:28 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | what colourful lines? |
| 11:28 | <Gonozal_VIII> | changes |
| 11:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | in tortoise merge |
| 11:31 | <yorick> | I would like to see the move patch included :) |
| 11:31 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | move patch? what does that do? |
| 11:31 | <yorick> | moving? |
| 11:32 | <yorick> | http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/move_clients.png |
| 11:32 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | move trains? move aircraft? |
| 11:32 | <yorick> | players |
| 11:32 | <yorick> | between companies |
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| 11:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that's a cheat^^ |
| 11:32 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | oh that... i don't think that would be widely useful |
| 11:32 | <Draakon> | its not a cheat |
| 11:32 | <yorick> | in MP? |
| 11:33 | <yorick> | for admins only |
| 11:33 | <Draakon> | its not |
| 11:33 | <Draakon> | for games like WWOTTDG |
| 11:33 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i know, it was invented specifically for that |
| 11:33 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and i hardly think that anyone outside that project would use it... |
| 11:34 | <yorick> | you know the feature it doesn't mind passworded companies? |
| 11:34 | <yorick> | I think it would be usefull for admins |
| 11:34 | <yorick> | to move themself between companies, to restore/change things |
| 11:35 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | well, you don't have to convince me ;) |
| 11:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | bah stupid tortoise merge |
| 11:36 | <LordAzamath> | bye |
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| 11:36 | <yorick> | if I got someone saying it's not usefull, the patch will never be included ;) |
| 11:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | impossible to move the position of a line there? |
| 11:37 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it's not like anyone listens to me anyway :p |
| 11:37 | <Gonozal_VIII> | stupid use mine before theirs and theirs before mine only shuffles the lines and creates chaos |
| 11:38 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Gonozal_VIII: yeah, it lacks an "edit manually" mode |
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| 11:39 | <Gonozal_VIII> | can't apply your patch |
| 11:39 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | the "patch" approach is probably better |
| 11:39 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it just adds the lines and puts conflict markers |
| 11:40 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | patch -p0 -i <file> |
| 11:40 | <Gonozal_VIII> | when i try to modify stuff manually, it usually stops working |
| 11:40 | <yorick> | :O |
| 11:40 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i believe just a constant was renamed |
| 11:41 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and i believe it was OF_NON_STOP to OBF_NON_STOP or something |
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| 11:41 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it wants to place the if (bla train has to stop) after the variable declaration |
| 11:41 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but only part of the if |
| 11:41 | <Gonozal_VIII> | after the || |
| 11:42 | <Gonozal_VIII> | which is very much not good |
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| 11:42 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and i can't tell it to move the line one down... |
| 11:43 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | how about www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/middle_stop2.diff ? |
| 11:44 | <Gonozal_VIII> | much better |
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| 11:46 | <Gonozal_VIII> | train stops in the middle :-) |
| 11:46 | <hylje> | http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1201191085791.jpg |
| 11:46 | <Gonozal_VIII> | thanks for that eddi |
| 11:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | now that's a strange... coast guard train |
| 11:47 | <hylje> | tram |
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| 11:47 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | looks like a tram to me |
| 11:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | how can you tell? |
| 11:48 | <yorick> | I'l see if I can slice the lively rivers into eatable chunks |
| 11:48 | <hylje> | go do that :) |
| 11:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | wtf you've already coded them? :O |
| 11:48 | <hylje> | no |
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| 11:48 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Gonozal_VIII: it's about splitting the ideas down to easily programmable slices |
| 11:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ah i see |
| 11:49 | <yorick> | I'l start with rivers that just flood(everything) downwards and on same level |
| 11:49 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yay, whole map flooded ;) |
| 11:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | or start with introducing different tile types of water... |
| 11:50 | <yorick> | I;m talking about ideas |
| 11:50 | <Gonozal_VIII> | default, flooding, flowing and spring |
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| 11:50 | <hylje> | still, flowing, flooding, spring |
| 11:50 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | you need spring flowing and spring flooding |
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| 11:51 | <yorick> | would that all fit in how-much-bytes-are-free-in-map-array? |
| 11:51 | <hylje> | water tiles have plenty free i believe |
| 11:51 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | afaik water has plenty of free bits |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it only gets worse if you want to add half-flooded houses and stuff ;) |
| 11:52 | <yorick> | they only know they're "water" |
| 11:52 | <yorick> | and their owner |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | bridge above |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | dock |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | buoy |
| 11:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm train can now stop multiple times at the same station in one go |
| 11:52 | <yorick> | :D |
| 11:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | every tile |
| 11:53 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Gonozal_VIII: only if you have the order multiple times |
| 11:53 | <Gonozal_VIII> | or only one order^^ |
| 11:53 | <yorick> | I will start with removing lakes, instead "water level can not go above 4", for the moment |
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| 11:54 | <hylje> | water level isn't worth the effort in my view |
| 11:55 | <hylje> | a water body will have an uniform water level for all we know |
| 11:55 | <yorick> | but lakes... |
| 11:55 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | water level beyond "flowing" and "flooding" should not be in the initial version |
| 11:55 | <hylje> | a lake can't have different levels of water |
| 11:55 | <hylje> | in different parts |
| 11:55 | <yorick> | no |
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| 11:56 | <yorick> | but it has to increase-in versions after initial |
| 11:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | water level gets interesting on merging rivers |
| 11:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it doesn't have to be height levels |
| 11:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | but might be width levels |
| 11:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm the northern end of our lake is several meters lower than the southern |
| 11:56 | <hylje> | Eddi|zuHause2: width levels, a novel idea |
| 11:56 | <yorick> | merging isn't even in our plan |
| 11:57 | <yorick> | so go change it :) |
| 11:57 | <hylje> | Gonozal_VIII: and that's a free-flowing lake? |
| 11:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yep |
| 11:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | water flows slowly towards the lower end where a river starts :-) |
| 11:58 | <hylje> | haha, okay |
| 11:58 | <Noldo> | river/lake |
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| 11:59 | <hylje> | i dont think we want to bother with that |
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| 11:59 | <yorick> | Gonozal: are you going to draw the needed graphics, for the different water levels? |
| 12:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | can't draw^^ |
| 12:00 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i explained my thoughts a while ago: like -4: dry river bed, -3: small stream, -2..-1 wider stream, [new] 0: ship-able, +1: floods to adjacent plain, +2: floods to adjacent infrastructure (rail, road, house), +3: floods over reinforced shore/canal, +4 [=-3] raise tile |
| 12:00 | <yorick> | I think the visual representing starts at 0, and not at -4 |
| 12:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but that width thing sounds good |
| 12:00 | <yorick> | Eddi: eddit :-) |
| 12:01 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | you also might shift this -4..+3 range to 0..7 |
| 12:02 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i don't even have a wiki account |
| 12:02 | <yorick> | you don't need one |
| 12:02 | <yorick> | ;) |
| 12:03 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | but water level should be implemented later |
| 12:03 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | basic expansion should be enough for now |
| 12:03 | * | yorick thinks Eddi doesn't want to edit the wiki(shy! :O) |
| 12:04 | <yorick> | :-P |
| 12:04 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | meaning from the spring you go linearly straight and downwards, until you hit a water tile |
| 12:05 | <hylje> | Eddi|zuHause2: you can edit the wiki anonymously |
| 12:05 | <yorick> | with your ip displayed |
| 12:05 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | that's no fun ;) |
| 12:05 | <Gonozal_VIII> | if you don't hit water? |
| 12:05 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | my preciousss ip! |
| 12:05 | <yorick> | use a proxy ;) |
| 12:05 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Gonozal_VIII: if you don't hit water, you are in the special case of a 1x1 hole |
| 12:06 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | you can adjust to that |
| 12:06 | <yorick> | fixed by the lake idea |
| 12:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | linearly straight <-- nope^^ |
| 12:06 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | well, don't take "straight" too literal ;) |
| 12:06 | <yorick> | The newly flooded tile's flow direction can change from the original. Mostly though straight ahead (using the flow direction of the original): chances can be like 3/4 straight, 1/8 to left and right each. |
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| 12:07 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yep i know... but straight ;-) |
| 12:07 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | if you hit a wall, you change direction, if you are trapped, you will end up at a place where you only have the chance of going to a previously flooded tile -> tadaa |
| 12:08 | * | yorick is wondering if Prof_Frink is listening, at least now he is :) |
| 12:08 | <hylje> | basically snake with rivers |
| 12:08 | <yorick> | lake formes |
| 12:08 | <hylje> | there's some good ideas |
| 12:08 | <Gonozal_VIII> | where you only have the chance of going to a previously flooded tile -> tadaa... game over |
| 12:08 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yorick: ignore lakes... lakes == later step |
| 12:09 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yeah, it's basically snake |
| 12:11 | * | yorick gives up slicing and leaves work to eddi |
| 12:11 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | what did i do to deserve that? |
| 12:12 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i don't have time to resolve that properly |
| 12:12 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | just giving hints |
| 12:12 | <yorick> | :-] |
| 12:12 | * | yorick takes work back |
| 12:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | daylength_treegrowth_refit_copypaste_middlestop_r11974.patch <-- btw^^ |
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| 12:13 | <hylje> | remember to write up stuff |
| 12:14 | <yorick> | hey-the one that suggest-has to write it on the wiki |
| 12:14 | <yorick> | s |
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| 12:15 | <hylje> | thats a new one :) |
| 12:16 | <yorick> | Gonozal_VIII: now write a patch that is compantible with openttd servers |
| 12:17 | <Gonozal_VIII> | kind of impossible with things like daylength^^ |
| 12:17 | <Gonozal_VIII> | the build and refit and copy&paste patches could work |
| 12:18 | <@peter1138> | build and refit is broken |
| 12:18 | <@peter1138> | unless it got fixed |
| 12:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why? |
| 12:18 | <yorick> | I think it did |
| 12:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | the default window size is too small... but other than that it works fine |
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| 12:19 | <yorick> | I made a new version with dropdown. It looks better now, you can see full cargo name and not just abbreviation. |
| 12:19 | <yorick> | Screenshot and diff file are in first post. |
| 12:19 | <yorick> | <quote from topic> |
| 12:19 | <yorick> | http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35805 |
| 12:19 | <yorick> | <link to that topic> |
| 12:20 | <@peter1138> | if (DoCommandP()) DoCommandP() |
| 12:20 | <@peter1138> | is broken |
| 12:20 | <yorick> | Gonozal_VIII will find out |
| 12:20 | <yorick> | he compiled it |
| 12:21 | <yorick> | or is ~ |
| 12:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | well, it works for me... |
| 12:22 | <Gonozal_VIII> | don't know what should be broken |
| 12:22 | <yorick> | [18:20][18:20] <@peter1138> if (DoCommandP()) DoCommandP() |
| 12:22 | <yorick> | would mean the building or the refitting or both |
| 12:22 | <Ammler> | yorick: nice patch |
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| 12:23 | <yorick> | ? |
| 12:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes i read that but i didn't see anything broken ingame |
| 12:23 | <yorick> | what do you mean? |
| 12:23 | <yorick> | you dont have to see it, but try building something |
| 12:23 | <yorick> | I mean-vehicle |
| 12:24 | <yorick> | Ammler: what do you mean? |
| 12:24 | <Ammler> | the patch you linked to, isn't from you? |
| 12:24 | <yorick> | no |
| 12:24 | <yorick> | it isn't from me |
| 12:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | a friend of mine just suggested to list vehicles of same type but refitted to different cargo seperately in the autoreplace window |
| 12:25 | <Ammler> | [18:19][18:19] <yorick> I made a new version with dropdown. It looks better now, you can see full cargo name and not just abbreviation. <-- was that a quote? |
| 12:25 | <Ammler> | :-) |
| 12:25 | <yorick> | yes |
| 12:26 | <yorick> | [18:19][18:19] <yorick> <quote from topic> |
| 12:26 | <Ammler> | but still nice patch |
| 12:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [18:17:51][18:17:51] Bartleby: man kann also eine waggonart die 2 verschiedene sachen transportiert durch 2 verschiedene waggons gleichzeitig ersetzen? |
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| 12:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that's what he said |
| 12:26 | <yorick> | I didn't say that? |
| 12:26 | <yorick> | I don't even speak german that good |
| 12:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | my friend ;-) |
| 12:26 | <yorick> | oh |
| 12:27 | <Gonozal_VIII> | he thought that the build&refit patch would do that |
| 12:27 | <Ammler> | Gonozal_VIII: german tt channel? |
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| 12:27 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i translated & rephrased it to be a suggestion ;-) |
| 12:27 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [18:24:56][18:24:56] Gonozal_VIII: a friend of mine just suggested to list vehicles of same type but refitted to different cargo seperately in the autoreplace window |
| 12:28 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and i didn't know there was a german channel |
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| 12:30 | <Wolf01> | hello |
| 12:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hi |
| 12:31 | <yorick> | hello |
| 12:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | would that be difficult to do? |
| 12:31 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i've only seen a german forum, not a german channel |
| 12:32 | <yorick> | tycoon.de? |
| 12:32 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: frosch * r11975 /trunk/docs/landscape_grid.html: -Documentation: Distinguish between station types in 'landscape_grid.html'. |
| 12:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | aaaah, was that a question about the source of my quote? that was icq |
| 12:33 | <yorick> | yes it was :) |
| 12:33 | <yorick> | I think |
| 12:33 | <yorick> | it looked so |
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| 12:34 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | <Gonozal_VIII> a friend of mine just suggested to list vehicles of same type but refitted to different cargo seperately in the autoreplace window <- he can put the trains into different groups, and then set rules for the groups separately |
| 12:35 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes but that's more work :-) |
| 12:36 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | more work than setting up compiler, find appropriate code, change code, bug-test it, add to flyspray, get it committed? |
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| 12:37 | <yorick> | the last will need the most work |
| 12:37 | <Gonozal_VIII> | if you have for exampe lots of different routes where you transport coal and lots of different routes where you transport cereals and you use the same waggons for that but then a new better one is available that can only transport coal... |
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| 12:40 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | you can still first replace all coal wagons, then all cereal wagons |
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| 12:40 | <Gonozal_VIII> | for all the routes... |
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| 12:41 | <Gonozal_VIII> | or even mixed trains... |
| 12:41 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | so? |
| 12:42 | <Gonozal_VIII> | passenger/tourist wagons... you only want to upgrade the tourist wagons |
| 12:42 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | you will always find a scenario which fails for autoreplace |
| 12:43 | <Gonozal_VIII> | with seperated entries for different refits, it's much less likely :-) |
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| 12:45 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and why would you only want to replace tourist wagons? |
| 12:46 | <Gonozal_VIII> | because you like the other tourist wagons better? |
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