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| 01:24 | <LittleMikey> | hey hey hey guys |
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| 01:42 | <LittleMikey> | anyone awake? |
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| 02:36 | <LittleMikey> | I need to speak to a OTTD dev about my title page competition, anyone know who I should contact? |
| 02:39 | <TinoDidriksen> | Might want to wait till the afternoon. Not many people on at this godless hour. |
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| 02:47 | <HMage> | ello everyone! I'm back! :D |
| 02:49 | <murray> | :( |
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| 02:49 | <HMage> | yes murray I'm gonna terrorize you all again! :D |
| 02:50 | <murray> | :p |
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| 02:59 | <LittleMikey> | Lol, what godless hour is this TinoDidriksen? Its 6:30 pm for me ^_^; |
| 03:00 | <TinoDidriksen> | But it's 09 here. |
| 03:00 | <TinoDidriksen> | And for most developers. |
| 03:00 | <LittleMikey> | 9 am? |
| 03:00 | <LittleMikey> | heh nice ^_^ |
| 03:00 | <TinoDidriksen> | Yup, most are Europeans. |
| 03:01 | <murray> | same here |
| 03:01 | <murray> | i've been up all night sitting on my school working with an assignment |
| 03:01 | <murray> | and now i'm done! and going home! to SLEEP! |
| 03:02 | <murray> | (just had to tell someone) |
| 03:02 | <murray> | 'night :> |
| 03:03 | <HMage> | 11:03 here :) |
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| 03:20 | <Wolf01> | hello |
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| 03:26 | <HMage> | ello |
| 03:31 | <blathijs> | murray: Don't you just love deadlines? :-) |
| 03:31 | <blathijs> | murray: But, your school is actually open during the night? |
| 03:32 | <@peter1138> | maybe he was locked in |
| 03:33 | <blathijs> | :-) |
| 03:34 | <TinoDidriksen> | Could be a university. Open 24/7. |
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| 04:18 | <Wolf01> | isn't newwater 0.6 fully supported yet? |
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| 04:29 | <dih> | silence... in every channel i joined... :-( |
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| 04:31 | <dih> | hello peter |
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| 04:37 | <madis[LA]> | hello |
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| 04:42 | <dih> | hi |
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| 05:31 | <Desolator> | kinda...quiet in here |
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| 05:34 | * | dih slaps Desolator for breaking the silence :-P |
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| 05:54 | <Draakon> | hi |
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| 06:02 | <dih> | hello |
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| 06:08 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11924 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: All dropdowns now use the dropdown widget, so compatibility code can be removed |
| 06:11 | <madis[LA]> | hmm.. I started a new OpenTTD Single Player game, but this is one, which I'll provide you screenshots.. The playing style is greatly influenced on #OpenTTDCoop :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=35846 |
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| 06:19 | <Draakon> | LA; good luck |
| 06:20 | * | Draakon plays SA now |
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| 06:22 | <@peter1138> | modern depots in 1945 :o |
| 06:23 | <@peter1138> | too many signals :o |
| 06:25 | <dih> | can tiles get hold of the state of one other diagonal tile? |
| 06:25 | <dih> | i.e. a tile touching one of the 4 corners? |
| 06:26 | <dih> | i am thinking of the shores in the newwater grf |
| 06:26 | <dih> | peter1138: you looked at the screenshots of LA |
| 06:27 | <dih> | any way some of those shores could be made neater? |
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| 06:33 | <Wolf01> | peter, can you do something for the plant trees tool? i assume that i shouldn't clear the land when i want to plant trees and i have the clear land tool active :| |
| 06:40 | <madis[LA]> | peter1138: these are Ameechers depots.. And they don't have timeline... Too many signals is because I always have signal every other tile. (another lesson from #coop :D ) And I'm too lazy to change that setting for MM |
| 06:41 | <Draakon-AWAY> | LA: post 3 screen shots in one post not one ss per post |
| 06:41 | <@peter1138> | Ah, but Ameecher specifically designed them for 1960's onwards... |
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| 06:42 | <Draakon> | peter: let the guy play them in 1920 or 1930 or whatever year |
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| 06:52 | <madis[LA]> | Draakon: Posts edited :); peter1138: I'm not aiming this game to be as realistic as possible |
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| 07:16 | <Wolf01> | nice, i got "unknown destination no longer accept food" after removing a station inside a town |
| 07:16 | <Wolf01> | maybe the message system was busy |
| 07:16 | <Gekz> | lol! |
| 07:17 | <Prof_Frink> | I accept food. |
| 07:18 | <Wolf01> | i accepted food, now i don't need it |
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| 07:20 | <SmatZ> | morning |
| 07:20 | <Gekz> | shh |
| 07:21 | <dih> | hello |
| 07:21 | <Prof_Frink> | SmatZ: Lies. |
| 07:21 | <SmatZ> | it is morning when I wake up :-p |
| 07:22 | <Gekz> | ... |
| 07:22 | <Gekz> | coincidence perhaps? |
| 07:23 | * | hylje wonders if he should run around aimlessly |
| 07:24 | <SmatZ> | run hylje, run! |
| 07:24 | <Gekz> | hylje: can i come? |
| 07:25 | <hylje> | if your language can imply that in one word |
| 07:26 | <Gekz> | ...? |
| 07:27 | <Gekz> | lol |
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| 07:27 | <hylje> | i guess not :-) |
| 07:27 | <Gekz> | can yours? |
| 07:27 | <hylje> | yes |
| 07:27 | <hylje> | stacked suffixes |
| 07:27 | <Gekz> | lol... |
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| 07:42 | <hylje> | http://1chan.net/rail/src/1200449951430.jpg |
| 07:43 | <Wolf01> | nice |
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| 08:10 | <madis[LA]> | hmm a crahs :( I submitted a bug report as the dialogue told me.. http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1667 |
| 08:11 | <Rubidium> | and I closed it because it's a duplicate of at least 3 other bugreports... |
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| 08:19 | <dih> | LOL |
| 08:20 | <dih> | hello Rubidium :-) |
| 08:21 | <@peter1138> | Rubidium, except the other reports bothered to find out what caused it ;) |
| 08:22 | <Rubidium> | peter1138: two of the three others did |
| 08:22 | <Rubidium> | so it's 50-50 now |
| 08:26 | <madis[LA]> | peter1138: I tried.. but I didn't find.. |
| 08:26 | <@peter1138> | heh |
| 08:27 | <madis[LA]> | but maybe enlightnen me what ws the cause? or.. better which FlySpray tasks are the others? |
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| 08:28 | <madis[LA]> | ok.. found out :D |
| 08:29 | <madis[LA]> | and sorrt for duplicating :D |
| 08:29 | <madis[LA]> | sorry* |
| 08:30 | <madis[LA]> | !nightly |
| 08:30 | <madis[LA]> | @nightly |
| 08:35 | <yorick> | nightly.openttd.org |
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| 08:37 | <Gekz> | @lart hylje |
| 08:37 | <Gekz> | nooo. |
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| 08:52 | <madis[LA]> | hmm... I told you that Yorick is a bot... :P |
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| 08:53 | <yorick> | :D |
| 09:00 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11925 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r122, r9867): loading old, pre savegame version 2, savegames. |
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| 09:27 | <Cosmo> | hey |
| 09:28 | <Cosmo> | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/openttd.png |
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| 09:30 | <Sacro> | how unprototypical |
| 09:30 | <Gekz> | Sacro: hugs? |
| 09:31 | * | Sacro hugs Gekz |
| 09:31 | <@peter1138> | http://fuzzle.org/o/ss2.png |
| 09:32 | <Cosmo> | peter1138, nice |
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| 09:32 | <Cosmo> | is there an easier way to build huge stations? |
| 09:32 | <@peter1138> | yeah |
| 09:32 | <@peter1138> | increase max station spread |
| 09:33 | <Cosmo> | hmm |
| 09:33 | <Cosmo> | where would i find that? |
| 09:33 | <Cosmo> | ah found it |
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| 09:34 | <Cosmo> | ooo thanks peter1138 |
| 09:34 | <Cosmo> | oh and give my thanks to the person who ports them to OSX |
| 09:34 | <Cosmo> | cyas |
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| 09:37 | <roboboy> | gnight |
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| 10:28 | <Desolator> | hello folks |
| 10:29 | <Desolator> | do you know any cross-platform toolkit that can provide a layer abstract enough for an IDE? (which will deal mostly with XML & Lisp) |
| 10:29 | <Desolator> | I need Windows 2000 & up, GNU/Linux & Mac OS X support |
| 10:29 | <Maedhros> | layer of what? |
| 10:29 | <Desolator> | for the system APIs |
| 10:29 | <Desolator> | for GUI, to edit files, etc... |
| 10:30 | <Desolator> | I'm not sure if wxWidgets provides that |
| 10:30 | <hylje> | qt |
| 10:30 | <Desolator> | And I don't know which to pick from Qt & GTKmm |
| 10:30 | <Desolator> | Qt is GPL 2 only, and I want to use GPL 3 :( |
| 10:30 | <hylje> | qt's becoming gpl3 |
| 10:30 | <Desolator> | is ver 4? |
| 10:31 | <Desolator> | GTKmm, I'm not sure if it's installed by default in most Linux distros...and I want to keep everything nicely grouped, not like in C, all global (*points to GTK+*) |
| 10:33 | <Prof_Frink> | Desolator: Yes, Qt4 was released under GPL2/3/$VERSION_ALLOWED_BY_TROLLTECH yesterday |
| 10:33 | <Desolator> | cool! |
| 10:33 | <Desolator> | haha "The latest beta is 0.6.0-beta3, released on January 16th 2007.", good typo :) |
| 10:33 | <Desolator> | (though it's fixed now) |
| 10:34 | <Prof_Frink> | That's not a typo, that's autopilot |
| 10:35 | <Desolator> | meh |
| 10:41 | <@peter1138> | So it's Brianetta's fault? |
| 10:43 | <Prof_Frink> | Obviously. |
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| 10:57 | <Nickman> | hi all |
| 10:57 | <yorick> | hi |
| 10:57 | <bean_xp> | hi |
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| 11:00 | <Desolator> | hi |
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| 11:02 | <Cosmo> | hey again |
| 11:03 | <Cosmo> | thought you might be interested in this http://black-flag.co.uk/files/openttd-bug.png |
| 11:03 | <Cosmo> | look at the news paper |
| 11:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | long industry name, long city name... problem |
| 11:08 | <@peter1138> | heh |
| 11:09 | <Cosmo> | well I'll be off again |
| 11:09 | <Cosmo> | cyas |
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| 11:58 | <madis[LA]> | hmm.. any developer here? or anyone who knows? If I replace tunnels with a newgrf and make it so they would only appear in Toyland (action07)... They don't |
| 11:58 | <madis[LA]> | I have toyland infrastructure almost coded, but it won't react on tunnel sprites |
| 11:59 | <madis[LA]> | I think they have some other grfID, but does anyone know which? |
| 12:00 | <madis[LA]> | in trg1r they tunnels start from 2365 sprite |
| 12:00 | <madis[LA]> | the* |
| 12:01 | <madis[LA]> | it's 93D -> 93 0D |
| 12:01 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11926 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Rivers. Graphics must be provided by NewGRF else rivers are drawn as canals. Rivers can currently only be placed with-in the scenario editor. |
| 12:01 | <madis[LA]> | rivers? |
| 12:01 | <madis[LA]> | rivers? |
| 12:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | wow rivers |
| 12:01 | <madis[LA]> | rives!! |
| 12:01 | <@peter1138> | http://fuzzle.org/o/ss2.png sort of thing |
| 12:02 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i've seen rivers on patch screenshots... |
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| 12:02 | <@peter1138> | yeah, same thing |
| 12:02 | <madis[LA]> | peter, you have any idea about my problem |
| 12:02 | <madis[LA]> | ? |
| 12:03 | <@peter1138> | toyland tunnels? absolutely no idea |
| 12:03 | <madis[LA]> | everything else works :( |
| 12:04 | <hylje> | peter1138: rivers don't flood at all? |
| 12:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | can't find toyland tunnels in trg1r, they must be somewhere else |
| 12:05 | <@peter1138> | no, they're static, at least for the moment |
| 12:05 | <@peter1138> | pretty much eyecandy |
| 12:05 | <@peter1138> | but boats can go along them of course |
| 12:05 | <hylje> | they are great nevertheless |
| 12:05 | <Gonozal_VIII> | do they count as water for industry placement? |
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| 12:06 | <madis[LA]> | Gonozal_VIII: The sprites are in trgtr.grf |
| 12:06 | <hylje> | but what would be totally neat would be river depth and water throughput |
| 12:06 | <madis[LA]> | but id SHOULD be the same then in normal tunnels |
| 12:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | same? no |
| 12:07 | <madis[LA]> | road sprites have same ID, rails have same ID |
| 12:07 | <madis[LA]> | terrain has same ID |
| 12:07 | <madis[LA]> | truck stops have same ID |
| 12:07 | <Gonozal_VIII> | decode the grf and look |
| 12:07 | <madis[LA]> | trgtr? |
| 12:07 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes |
| 12:07 | <madis[LA]> | that is a grf not a newgrf... |
| 12:07 | <Gonozal_VIII> | so? |
| 12:08 | <madis[LA]> | so it's just a bunch of realsprites |
| 12:08 | <Gonozal_VIII> | grfcodec -d |
| 12:08 | <Gonozal_VIII> | doesn't stop you from finding the id |
| 12:08 | <madis[LA]> | I have decoded it and it's opened right now :! |
| 12:08 | <madis[LA]> | ID is not written anywhere |
| 12:08 | <@peter1138> | hylje, go ahead and write that then. you can still use the same code for drawing it ;) |
| 12:09 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it is, in the pcx |
| 12:09 | <madis[LA]> | thats the sprite number |
| 12:09 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that's different? hmm... |
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| 12:09 | <@peter1138> | Gonozal_VIII, for industry placement, no idea... |
| 12:09 | <@peter1138> | hmm |
| 12:09 | <hylje> | while i'm at that |
| 12:09 | <@peter1138> | what industries go on water? |
| 12:10 | <madis[LA]> | fishing boat on ECS |
| 12:10 | <madis[LA]> | oil rig |
| 12:10 | <hylje> | could need to do more water stuff |
| 12:10 | <Gonozal_VIII> | some ecs stuff like breweries or food processing want to be close to water |
| 12:10 | <madis[LA]> | some tourist centresin ECS need to be near water |
| 12:10 | <hylje> | to not make it broken in multiplayer |
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| 12:11 | <hylje> | e.g. redirecting a river to flood other players' stuff |
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| 12:11 | <@peter1138> | Quite |
| 12:11 | <madis[LA]> | Gonozal_VIII: Only in trg1r the sprite number is grfID |
| 12:12 | <madis[LA]> | and if I don't add action07, then it changes things in all climates |
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| 12:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i never did any toyland grfing... |
| 12:15 | <hylje> | peter1138: i take it rivers are simply terrain objects |
| 12:15 | <Gonozal_VIII> | is tile type water? |
| 12:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that should be enough for industry placement rules |
| 12:16 | <@peter1138> | locks and ship depots are tile type water too... |
| 12:17 | <madis[LA]> | does anyone here have active TTDP install? ŚO he could test something for me. |
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| 12:18 | <madis[LA]> | ok.. I'll try to get one tester in #tycoon channel at quakenet :) |
| 12:18 | <@peter1138> | heh |
| 12:18 | <@peter1138> | won't find many there |
| 12:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | no need to go to quakenet madis |
| 12:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | oftc #tycoon |
| 12:19 | <madis[LA]> | ok |
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| 12:23 | <hylje> | i think to prevent river (flooding) abuse |
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| 12:24 | <hylje> | ottd needs terrain hardness |
| 12:24 | <hylje> | (and by extension bedrock, too) |
| 12:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ? |
| 12:25 | <hylje> | digging an alternative route for the river should be expensive and blocking the current should be hard |
| 12:25 | <hylje> | "raised" land is soft, and water can break it easily |
| 12:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ^^ |
| 12:26 | <UnderBuilder> | one question... will be possible to code more inclinated slopes in openttd or that will be too hard? |
| 12:27 | <hylje> | it'd involve breaking most all GRF that deals with terrain |
| 12:28 | <orudge> | [17:27:06][17:27:06] <madis[LA]> my god, how difficult it is to get help in #tycoon channel... <-- I would say that was perhaps a bit uncalled for. Evidently, there was nobody at the time who could test your GRF or whatever, doesn't mean that's always the case |
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| 12:28 | <orudge> | remember also that #tycoon is a generally quieter channel than #openttd |
| 12:28 | <Digitalfox> | This river stuff maybe Lord and Zephris could support it in new terrain :\ |
| 12:28 | <madis[LA]> | ok.. sorry.. |
| 12:29 | <GoneWacko> | [18:28:26][18:28:26] <orudge> remember also that #tycoon is a generally quieter channel than #openttd |
| 12:29 | <GoneWacko> | that's hardly true is it? D: |
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| 12:29 | <madis[LA]> | digitalFox, we think about it :) |
| 12:29 | <@orudge> | GoneWacko: well |
| 12:29 | <@orudge> | at least in number of lurkers |
| 12:29 | <@orudge> | and actual on-topic discussion |
| 12:29 | <GoneWacko> | pfft, on-topic discussion is over-rated :( |
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| 12:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | for my taste those river graphics have too many stones at the slopes |
| 12:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ships could never use that |
| 12:33 | <@peter1138> | that's the point |
| 12:33 | <Wolf01> | ships can't use them anyway |
| 12:33 | <@peter1138> | they're not supposed to use them |
| 12:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ooooh |
| 12:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | then it's ok |
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| 12:35 | <Gonozal_VIII> | sorry for my stupid comments without testing first^^ |
| 12:35 | <Wolf01> | i don't like so much the locks instead, the ships should wait in the middle of the lock instead of travel as many fast as posible through it |
| 12:35 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes, locks would need some fixing |
| 12:35 | <Wolf01> | and one ship per time |
| 12:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ship goes in, gate closes, water rises, other gate opens, ship leaves :-) |
| 12:37 | <Wolf01> | yes |
| 12:37 | <hylje> | ship routes, signals |
| 12:37 | <hylje> | go do that |
| 12:37 | <Gonozal_VIII> | signals? |
| 12:37 | <hylje> | buoys |
| 12:38 | <Wolf01> | read: "only one ship can travel in one tile per time" |
| 12:38 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes... some collision detection like rvs |
| 12:39 | <Wolf01> | "some" |
| 12:39 | <Wolf01> | RV needs more collision detect too |
| 12:39 | <Gonozal_VIII> | see... some^^ |
| 12:40 | <Gonozal_VIII> | train collision detection isn't perfect either |
| 12:40 | <Gonozal_VIII> | there should be a difference between slow and fast crash |
| 12:41 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and every train that kills a rv is completely unharmed? baad |
| 12:41 | <hylje> | hitpoints :-) |
| 12:41 | <Gonozal_VIII> | no... breakdowns... only partial destroyed.. like that |
| 12:41 | <hylje> | lethal and nonlethal hitpoints |
| 12:42 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ^^ |
| 12:42 | <Prof_Frink> | Gonozal_VIII: And every rv that crashes into a stationary train at 2mph is destroyed |
| 12:42 | <hylje> | when lethal go to zero, destruction |
| 12:42 | <hylje> | when nonlethal goes to zero, breakdown |
| 12:42 | <hylje> | after breakdown is fixed, nonlethal goes back to half (depot service fills it full) |
| 12:42 | <Gonozal_VIII> | doesn't need hitpoints for that.. speed would be enough |
| 12:43 | <Gonozal_VIII> | could lower the reliability |
| 12:43 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | it'd suffice to reduce reliability |
| 12:43 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | that's some kind of "hitpoints" already |
| 12:43 | <Gonozal_VIII> | work with existing stuff instead of new hitpoints |
| 12:44 | <hylje> | fine, rename hitpoints to reliability :) |
| 12:44 | <Prof_Frink> | How about: every collision "ages" the train by (say) 5 years, so it needs replacing sooner |
| 12:44 | <hylje> | also |
| 12:44 | <hylje> | is anyone aware of somebody doing any design for a landscape / river feature |
| 12:45 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | boekabart was the last one to try rivers |
| 12:45 | <hylje> | i'd like to scrape the docs (if any) for insight |
| 12:45 | <hylje> | then the least i can do is to publish mine |
| 12:45 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | the concept looked quite impressive, with varying water levels and stuff |
| 12:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | collision below speed x does nothing, below speed y it reduces reliability, above speed y some parts are destroyed |
| 12:45 | <@peter1138> | it is |
| 12:46 | <@peter1138> | but he abandoned it :( |
| 12:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | if every train engine is destroyed, the remaining wagons are too... can't keep them without engine |
| 12:47 | <hylje> | shunting would fix that |
| 12:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes, shunting would be nice |
| 12:48 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | and horrible things happen if you hit a full tanker truck |
| 12:48 | <hylje> | kaboom |
| 12:48 | <hylje> | +1 for hitpoint-type reliability |
| 12:48 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | (that was the second worst train accident in germany) |
| 12:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | every collision now looks like you hit a full tanker truck^^ |
| 12:49 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | yeah, but it has the effect as if you hit a fly with the windshield |
| 12:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes... trains don't care about it at all |
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| 12:51 | <Prof_Frink> | A bit of fire never hurt anyone. |
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| 12:52 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | (PS: the worst train accident was the ICE derailing near Eschede) |
| 12:52 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | (not to confuse with Enschede, that was where the fireworks factory blew up) |
| 12:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | not long ago i saw a n24 documentation about what happened with the ice in eschede |
| 12:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that was a lot of bad luck |
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| 12:55 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | it's always a lot of bad luck |
| 12:55 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | it's rarely that only one thing goes wrong |
| 12:56 | <Prof_Frink> | Eddi|zuHause3: Well, either bad luck or idiots. |
| 12:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it happens a lot that only one thing goes wrong but they usually have safety measures for that |
| 12:56 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | I think idiots could also count as bad luck ;) |
| 12:57 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | Gonozal_VIII: yeah, that's what i mean |
| 12:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmm |
| 12:57 | <Prof_Frink> | No. Bad luck doesn't put you in the running for a Darwin |
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| 13:03 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what does ./configure do? |
| 13:04 | <hylje> | boek's deepwater 5 is the latest and greatest in sealevel? |
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| 13:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yay i've got rivers :D |
| 13:06 | <madis[LA]> | ok.. at last I got TTDP installed... to see what? to see that the grf has to be faulty :( |
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| 13:09 | <yorick> | what's the deepwater link |
| 13:10 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | Gonozal_VIII: ./configure detects what kind of system you use, then it searches which libraries you have installed etc. |
| 13:10 | <hylje> | http://boekabart.googlepages.com/deepwater |
| 13:10 | <Gonozal_VIII> | so i only need that once? |
| 13:11 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | Gonozal_VIII: yeah, usually once is enough |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i've made a file update.bat now, containing: |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | cd C:\OpenTTD\source |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | svn update |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | make |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | pause |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\openttd.exe C:\OpenTTD\old\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\lang\english.lng C:\OpenTTD\old\lang\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\lang\german.lng C:\OpenTTD\old\lang\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\data\chars.grf C:\OpenTTD\old\data\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\data\openttdw.grf C:\OpenTTD\old\data\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\source\bin\openttd.exe C:\OpenTTD\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\source\bin\lang\english.lng C:\OpenTTD\lang\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\source\bin\lang\german.lng C:\OpenTTD\lang\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\source\bin\data\chars.grf C:\OpenTTD\data\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | copy C:\OpenTTD\source\bin\data\openttdw.grf C:\OpenTTD\data\ |
| 13:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | wow that looks bigger here than in the file |
| 13:11 | <Ammler> | Gonozal_VIII: pastebin.com |
| 13:12 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | err... what is this "old" supposed to do? |
| 13:12 | <yorick> | sure its in \bin? |
| 13:12 | <Gonozal_VIII> | backup |
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| 13:12 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | AFTER you did make? |
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| 13:13 | <yorick> | I thpught it would be going to \objs\release |
| 13:13 | <yorick> | thought* |
| 13:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | doesn't matter if before or after? |
| 13:13 | <yorick> | I think it does |
| 13:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm there are files in release too... |
| 13:14 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | it doesn't matter if you overwrite the old stuff and then backup the old stuff? |
| 13:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it overwrites that? |
| 13:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | how does it know where to overwrite :S |
| 13:14 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | make overwrites the binary |
| 13:14 | <madis[LA]> | speaking of pastebin... Could anyone check why doesn't it load tunnels for Toyland http://pastebin.com/m1c24e971 |
| 13:15 | <SpComb> | copy C:\OpenTTD\source\bin\openttd.exe C:\OpenTTD\ |
| 13:15 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | ah, you copy stuff out of the bin directory |
| 13:15 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | why would you do that? |
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| 13:16 | <yorick> | openttd.exe is not in \bin\ |
| 13:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | because bin is so crowded? |
| 13:16 | <yorick> | its in objs\release\ |
| 13:16 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | ln -s openttd.exe source/bin/openttd.exe |
| 13:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it is in both |
| 13:16 | <yorick> | but the built one is in the release dir |
| 13:16 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | err, other way round |
| 13:16 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | ln -s source/bin/openttd.exe openttd.exe |
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| 13:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | then what is the other one? |
| 13:17 | <yorick> | dunno that |
| 13:17 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | objs is a temporary dir |
| 13:17 | <yorick> | but its there before make... |
| 13:17 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | make copies the results from objs to bin |
| 13:17 | <yorick> | hmm... not here... |
| 13:17 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | it's the last step make does |
| 13:17 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | Gonozal_VIII: problem with copying is that you miss updates to the data dir |
| 13:18 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | "ln -s source/bin/openttd.exe openttd.exe" creates a symbolic link instead |
| 13:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | like the merge of all those grfs to openttd.grf? does that happen often? |
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| 13:20 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | how should i know what they think of next? |
| 13:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe |
| 13:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i don't want to play from the source dir.. |
| 13:21 | <yorick> | what are you trying to do? |
| 13:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | update my gamedir to new revision |
| 13:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | seems to work |
| 13:22 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | like i said, make a link |
| 13:22 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | you don't have to update tha |
| 13:22 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | t |
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| 13:23 | <yorick> | is it very hard to type "svn up" "configure" and "make"? |
| 13:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes it is? |
| 13:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and configure sometimes asks strange things like endianness or os... |
| 13:24 | <yorick> | well... need some food |
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| 13:24 | <CIA-5> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11927 /trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r11926): unable to place canals in game |
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| 13:25 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmm error |
| 13:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | is there some random stuff in make? |
| 13:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't |
| 13:27 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | usually not... |
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| 13:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i ran my .bat... error |
| 13:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ran it again, now i have r11927 here and seems to work |
| 13:29 | <madis[LA]> | dalestan :) I have asked help here for a while, but now I see you're online so I ask from you :D http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=658138#p658138 |
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| 13:30 | <madis[LA]> | it shows everything right but tunnels... |
| 13:31 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | an auto-reconnect hardly qualifies as "online" |
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| 13:32 | <madis[LA]> | hmm... |
| 13:32 | <madis[LA]> | perhaps you are right... |
| 13:33 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | there might be too little contrast between the white and the green |
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| 13:33 | <madis[LA]> | I hoped so much :( :P but fortunatly someone has already downloaded the grf from the post and pcx.. So maybe someone has looked at the nfo already :) |
| 13:34 | <madis[LA]> | and maybe someone CAN help me.. |
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| 13:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | real snow is whiter... but brighter snow would hurt the eyes |
| 13:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | so i think it's good |
| 13:35 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | it's not snow, it's toyland |
| 13:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | oh... not the inlined image |
| 13:36 | <madis[LA]> | where did you get impression it's snow? |
| 13:36 | <madis[LA]> | what is snow? |
| 13:36 | <madis[LA]> | then.. |
| 13:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | you're really la? what's that madis? |
| 13:37 | <madis[LA]> | that's my name... Johannes Madis Aasmäe :P |
| 13:37 | <Gonozal_VIII> | oooooh^^ |
| 13:38 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i thought you were some other guy with la^^ |
| 13:38 | <madis[LA]> | and with same name format? currentname[previousname] ? :D |
| 13:39 | <madis[LA]> | LA[lord] was because before it I was LordAzamath :P |
| 13:39 | <Gonozal_VIII> | didn't realise that^^ |
| 13:39 | <madis[LA]> | but that's not important |
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| 13:40 | <hylje> | madis[LA[lord]] |
| 13:40 | <Gonozal_VIII> | madis[LA{lord}] |
| 13:40 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i know people who change nicks like dresses |
| 13:40 | <madis[LA]> | madis[LA[LordAzamath]] ? . |
| 13:41 | <madis[LA]> | :P |
| 13:41 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | if they weren't authed and get +av, i'd never notice who they were ;) |
| 13:41 | <hylje> | this dress is getting rather frayed i think |
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| 13:42 | <madis[LA]> | Eddi|zuHause3: I have had very little |
