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| 02:24 | <Forked> | morning! |
| 02:24 | <@peter1138> | arrr |
| 02:25 | <Ammller> | good morning #openttd |
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| 02:30 | <SquireJames> | hello fellows |
| 02:30 | <SquireJames> | smaaaaall question |
| 02:31 | <SquireJames> | which is the more recent, the 0.6.0 Beta 2 or the latest Nightly (r11904) |
| 02:32 | <@peter1138> | hmm, well |
| 02:32 | <@peter1138> | beta 2 was released 6th december |
| 02:33 | <@peter1138> | r11904 was created 17th january |
| 02:33 | <@peter1138> | doesn't seem that hard a question to me |
| 02:33 | <@peter1138> | but i better confer |
| 02:36 | <Rubidium> | peter1138: wasn't there some bend in the time-space-continuum that causes everything made in 2007 to be more recent than anything made in 2008? |
| 02:37 | <@peter1138> | well i didn't specify the year, so... |
| 02:39 | <Forked> | I think the clue is in "latest" :) |
| 02:39 | <Rubidium> | Forked: not quite, cause beta2 was onces newer than the nightly |
| 02:40 | <SquireJames> | well, I was wondering which was the better to use |
| 02:40 | <Forked> | Rubidium: :\ |
| 02:40 | <SquireJames> | currently I am using beta 3 |
| 02:40 | <Noldo> | what's wrong with it? |
| 02:41 | <@peter1138> | it has new bugs :D |
| 02:41 | <Noldo> | :) |
| 02:41 | <Noldo> | are they better than the old ones? |
| 02:42 | <SquireJames> | well nothing is "wrong" exactly |
| 02:42 | <SquireJames> | just the towns no longer report changes in ratings |
| 02:43 | <@peter1138> | i've never known a town do that |
| 02:43 | <SquireJames> | well it pops up like when you spend or earn money |
| 02:43 | <SquireJames> | perhaps it was a ChrisIn thing |
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| 02:44 | <SquireJames> | anyways, what do the devs reccomend we use |
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| 02:51 | <SquireJames> | any ideas? |
| 02:54 | <@peter1138> | well |
| 02:55 | <@peter1138> | if you want multiplayer, stick with a beta |
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| 03:05 | <SquireJames> | not particularly, I would LOVE programmable waypoints/signals |
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| 03:05 | <SquireJames> | but, not happening it seems |
| 03:05 | <Noldo> | how would you gui them? |
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| 03:21 | <SquireJames> | well |
| 03:21 | <SquireJames> | the Programmable Waypoints patch seems to work well |
| 03:21 | <SquireJames> | except for the crashes (if that makes sense) |
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| 03:26 | <SquireJames> | basically, if it didnt crash, itd be wonderful |
| 03:26 | <@peter1138> | heh |
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| 03:33 | <SquireJames> | well, the other idea i had, which I bet would be a bugger to implement is that certain platform types only accept certain goods |
| 03:34 | <SquireJames> | for example, ordinary platforms can only deal with Passengers (and Tourists if using ECS) |
| 03:34 | <SquireJames> | ordinary freight platforms would accept goods vans, post vans etc |
| 03:34 | <Noldo> | and the benefit would be? |
| 03:34 | <SquireJames> | mineral unloaders would accept hoppers |
| 03:35 | <SquireJames> | it means you don't get your passenger trains attempting to squeese down a tiny freight siding because your local freight went to a mainline platform |
| 03:37 | <SquireJames> | I just want an easy, flexible way to make my freight trains use freight platforms, my express passengers use the main line platforms and my suburbans use the bay platforms |
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| 03:59 | <@peter1138> | arrrr |
| 03:59 | * | keyweed_ shivers his timbers |
| 04:00 | * | SquireJames puts on an eyepatch |
| 04:01 | <Forked> | SquireJames: well the programmable waypoints patch would fix that.. but for me it has not been multiplayer safe (only tested with the bigger maps patch by bilbo).. I wish I could get it working :) |
| 04:01 | <SquireJames> | well, i've tried the programmable waypoints |
| 04:01 | <SquireJames> | it works, but suffers from intermitten faults |
| 04:02 | <Forked> | could also use just waypoints.. I did that in our latest game |
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| 04:10 | <SquireJames> | true |
| 04:15 | <SquireJames> | oh btw do you use Pikkas Industries or ECS? |
| 04:15 | <Forked> | no, atm we are only playing with the new stations |
| 04:16 | <Forked> | jcindstaw.grf |
| 04:16 | <SquireJames> | oh |
| 04:16 | <SquireJames> | Just, I did use Pikkas but im trying out ECS |
| 04:16 | <SquireJames> | but, somethings make little sense |
| 04:16 | <SquireJames> | Coal to a Brickworks to make bricks? |
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| 04:25 | <dih> | hello |
| 04:26 | <SquireJames> | hello |
| 04:26 | <dih> | @seen Bjarni |
| 04:26 | <@DorpsGek> | dih: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 10 hours, 15 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Bjarni> nothing special there |
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| 05:13 | <SmatZ> | morning |
| 05:13 | <SquireJames> | hello |
| 05:18 | <SquireJames> | bah i can't fathom this ECS |
| 05:18 | <SquireJames> | no matter what I do I can't build tourist centres |
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| 05:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11915 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Add a function to draw a sort button's up/down arrow. Arrows are now drawn in a consistent position based on the widget, instead of randomly positioned by pixel. |
| 05:43 | * | roboboy is bored |
| 05:43 | * | SquireJames is starting a new game trying to plan out his mainlines better |
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| 05:44 | <roboboy> | I may play AOE2 |
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| 05:46 | <dih> | peter1138: is the 'close window' button (the x in the top left corner) supposed to be missing in beta3 of one of the config windows? |
| 05:46 | <@peter1138> | in the difficulty settings |
| 05:47 | <@peter1138> | apparently so |
| 05:47 | <@peter1138> | and the "nice" colour scheme :o |
| 05:47 | <dih> | because of the 'cancle' button |
| 05:47 | <dih> | i just hered that a few people were confused by the missing x |
| 05:47 | <dih> | *heard |
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| 06:28 | <Tefad> | probably mac users |
| 06:31 | <dih> | ? |
| 06:32 | <Tefad> | i've run into panels on a mac where there's no OK or save button you just hit the x when you're done |
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| 06:33 | <@peter1138> | heh |
| 06:33 | <@peter1138> | yeah |
| 06:34 | <dih> | yes - true |
| 06:34 | <dih> | :-P |
| 06:34 | <Tefad> | confusing for non-mac users. |
| 06:34 | <dih> | that is why they are non-mac users :-P |
| 06:34 | <Tefad> | even more confusing for unix guys, as we tend to prefer editing flat text files |
| 06:35 | <Tefad> | none of this binary encoded xml nonsense ; ) |
| 06:35 | <dih> | heh |
| 06:35 | <dih> | i have not come across binary encoded xml |
| 06:35 | <Tefad> | probably because you use the GUIs |
| 06:35 | <dih> | only gziped xml |
| 06:35 | <Tefad> | ah those too then |
| 06:35 | <dih> | and it aint that hard to gunzip, edit, gzip |
| 06:35 | <Tefad> | i forget binary xml is rather newish |
| 06:36 | <Tefad> | it's two more steps than necessary imho |
| 06:36 | <dih> | but yes - i dont tend to configure my mac via the command line |
| 06:36 | <Tefad> | i view macs as an obstacle |
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| 06:36 | <dih> | as so far the gui has not proven to me that it is limiting me |
| 06:37 | <Tefad> | there's UNIX underneath but a bunch of crap in my way to using it ; ) |
| 06:37 | <dih> | depends on what you use it for |
| 06:37 | <dih> | windows - to me - is way more of an obstacle |
| 06:37 | <Tefad> | only running seldom mac specific softwares |
| 06:37 | <Tefad> | there's nothing of value underneath windows, that's why ; ) |
| 06:38 | <SquireJames> | Oh btw |
| 06:38 | <dih> | i see os x as a wonderful compromise |
| 06:38 | <Tefad> | you have to strap things on top to get decent unix |
| 06:38 | <SquireJames> | has anyone checked out my new sounds for OTTD in the Sound replacement thread> |
| 06:38 | <dih> | nope |
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| 06:38 | <Tefad> | not i |
| 06:38 | <dih> | Tefad: i got meself a mac when i wanted a neat gui for working, yet wanted the power of a console when i needed it |
| 06:38 | <Tefad> | it is somewhat comforting seeing how easy it is to do quick ports to OS X for many programs |
| 06:39 | <dih> | well - now it is |
| 06:39 | <dih> | with intel macs |
| 06:39 | <Tefad> | (if your users like running the X server that is..) |
| 06:39 | <dih> | who would not have the x server installed? |
| 06:39 | <dih> | ^^ |
| 06:39 | <Tefad> | i've run into it many many times |
| 06:40 | <Tefad> | OMG where's the OS disc.. the what? |
| 06:40 | <Tefad> | i guess if you just want a shell account, macs are ok |
| 06:41 | <Tefad> | that's mostly what i use SFU for at work (in windows land) |
| 06:42 | <Tefad> | gnu desktop on a mac? har harhar. |
| 06:43 | <Tefad> | but i guess that's why you're running OS X in the first place |
| 06:43 | <Tefad> | i can't customize the UI enough to be comfortable |
| 06:43 | <Tefad> | not that i've tried in a while. |
| 06:44 | <Tefad> | (i think 10.3 was last i used OS X) |
| 06:44 | <dih> | lol |
| 06:44 | <dih> | 10.4 is sweet :-P |
| 06:44 | <dih> | and 10.5 ... uh... |
| 06:44 | <Tefad> | also apple tends to break backward compatibility like crazy, all the time |
| 06:45 | <Tefad> | in windows land, at least there's win9x |
| 06:45 | <Tefad> | most modern stuff will still function in win95 given enough patches to the OS |
| 06:45 | <Tefad> | (not that you'd want to do that for production work) |
| 06:46 | <Tefad> | i don't know if similar approach exists for OS X |
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| 07:01 | <dih> | eaney meeny miny moe |
| 07:01 | <dih> | pick a devy by his toe |
| 07:01 | <dih> | if he hollers let him go |
| 07:01 | <dih> | eaney meeny miny moe |
| 07:03 | <@peter1138> | ... |
| 07:05 | <dih> | i think it's funny... |
| 07:06 | <keyweed_> | "funny" kills. |
| 07:06 | <dih> | oh c'mon :-P |
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| 07:22 | <LA[ill]> | hello |
| 07:25 | <@peter1138> | everyone's ill :o |
| 07:28 | <LA[ill]> | a terrible headache after swimming classes... |
| 07:29 | <LA[ill]> | I probably shouldn't be behind computer even... |
| 07:29 | <keyweed_> | neither should i. i should be on a beach somewhere in the pacific. but code doesn't write itsself |
| 07:32 | <LA[ill]> | :P |
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| 07:58 | <SquireJames> | hmmm |
| 07:59 | <SquireJames> | I ws asked if I wanted to test the Balloon Class Tram and the Lockheed Electra twice each |
| 08:03 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: smatz * r11916 /trunk/src/ (9 files): |
| 08:03 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: -Codechange: use enums from VehicleViewWindowWidgets instead of constants |
| 08:03 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: -Fix: refit button widget was not correctly updated |
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| 08:22 | <yorick> | hello again :) |
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| 08:24 | <SmatZ> | hi yorick |
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| 08:31 | * | yorick tries to disable desyncs one more time |
| 08:31 | * | yorick comments out the NetworkError(STR_NETWORK_ERR_DESYNC) line |
| 08:32 | * | yorick comments out the NetworkClientError(NETWORK_RECV_STATUS_DESYNC, DEREF_CLIENT(0)); line too |
| 08:34 | * | frosch123 remembers a lecture about empirical computer science |
| 08:36 | <yorick> | what did it say? |
| 08:41 | <frosch123> | I went there only one or two times, but they did things like writing the same program with different depths in object hierarchy. And then they counted the bugs. |
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| 08:45 | <yorick> | and? |
| 08:45 | <yorick> | what were the results? |
| 08:46 | <frosch123> | They told us to only use depth 3 for all our problems. |
| 08:46 | <frosch123> | But I though: Leave the lecture as quick as possible. |
| 08:46 | <roboman> | gnight |
| 08:46 | <yorick> | gnight? |
| 08:46 | <yorick> | [14:46][14:46] <roboman> gnight |
| 08:47 | <frosch123> | Parallel to that I heard a lecture about software engineering, and then I decided to study math instead of computer science :) |
| 08:47 | <yorick> | :D |
| 08:47 | <roboman> | what yorick |
| 08:47 | <yorick> | its 14:47 |
| 08:47 | <roboman> | for me its nearly one am |
| 08:48 | <roboman> | so hah |
| 08:48 | <roboman> | bye |
| 08:49 | <yorick> | hmm... openttd doesn't like syncs when not-having the same grf's |
| 08:50 | <yorick> | some problem with av8 and trying to change speed |
| 08:54 | <Dominik> | lol, has anyone ever gotten this error message on google? "We're sorry... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. " |
| 08:55 | <Noldo> | no |
| 08:55 | <Dominik> | googling for "480*256/1024" did the trick for me |
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| 08:56 | <@peter1138> | (480 * 256) / 1 024 = 120 |
| 08:56 | <@peter1138> | heh |
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| 08:57 | <yorP> | what query? |
| 08:57 | <Sacro> | that one? |
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| 08:58 | <yorP> | [14:54][14:54] <Dominik> lol, has anyone ever gotten this error message on google? "We're sorry... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. " <-- what did you type? |
| 08:59 | * | yorP was disconnected for a while |
| 08:59 | <Dominik> | 480*256/1024 |
| 08:59 | <yorP> | just makes 120 |
| 08:59 | <Noldo> | :D |
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| 09:07 | <yorick> | what rev was 0.6.0-beta3 based on? |
| 09:09 | <Digitalfox> | yorick: 11868 |
| 09:10 | <Digitalfox> | or better r11867 if you don't care about changelog stuff |
| 09:11 | <+glx> | and that's not important, as the release source is not totally the same as trunk source |
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| 09:12 | <yorick> | 11869, thank you |
| 09:13 | <+glx> | if you want to get 0.6.0-beta3 source just use tags/0.6.0-beta3 |
| 09:14 | <Digitalfox> | by the way glx if we compare a nighty's version to a release version like beta 3, and since the nightly has some debug code on ( If understand it right ) does the performance on a big save game is any different ? |
| 09:14 | <yorick> | no, I want to see what patch version I should take to have one compatible with 0.6.0-beta3 |
| 09:14 | <+glx> | Digitalfox: asserts are enabled in betas too |
| 09:15 | <yorick> | but some other debug stuff isn't |
| 09:15 | <Digitalfox> | Ok, so if i load savegame in 0.5.3 and on 0.5.3 RC is the performance of the game any diffrent, assuming 0.5.3 RC is like 0.6 beta 3 with assertions on.. ? |
| 09:16 | <yorick> | RC != beta |
| 09:16 | <+glx> | asserts are enabled since beta2 |
| 09:18 | <+glx> | yorick: right, beta are released before branching and can contain new features, RC are released after branching and contains only bug fixes |
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| 09:23 | <fjb> | Moin |
| 09:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hi |
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| 09:23 | <LA[ill]> | oh no!! he again.. why Gonozal_VIII why? |
| 09:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehehe |
| 09:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i make you sick?^^ |
| 09:26 | <LA[ill]> | ill, not sick |
| 09:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | same thing, same thing |
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| 09:29 | <LA[ill]> | nope.. when I was in .. fifth grade, our English teacher explained that if sick is used then it might be something to do with pregnancy... and I'm NOT PREGNANT!! |
| 09:30 | <LA[ill]> | so ill is a better choice |
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| 09:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | how can you be so sure, you're not pregnant? |
| 09:30 | <LA[ill]> | hmm.. I'm male, is that a good reason enough? |
| 09:31 | <hylje> | arnold was pregnant too |
| 09:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | nope, never seen junior? |
| 09:31 | <Noldo> | :D |
| 09:31 | <Shark> | hi, when i try to load a savegame from ttd into openttd i got this error: /openttd-0.6.0-beta3/src/oldpool.h:125: T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Order]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed. |
| 09:32 | <LA[ill]> | ok.. I admit.. I have taken baby pills.. I know I can't be pregnant :P |
| 09:32 | <Shark> | is there some workaround? |
| 09:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | there's still some risk! |
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| 09:32 | <LA[ill]> | which is eliminated with not having sex? I'm 14, man..! |
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| 09:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | so? lots of 14 year olds have sex |
| 09:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and are pregnant! |
| 09:33 | <LA[ill]> | I haven't had |
| 09:33 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Shark: post savegame to bugs.openttd.org |
| 09:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | you're pregnant, face it |
| 09:33 | <LA[ill]> | and how many of them are males Gonozal_VIII ? |
| 09:34 | <Digitalfox> | peter1138: Could you update your patch to last revision, i had just a assertion with the last one you made, and want to see if has been fixed in trunk or is from your patch :) |
| 09:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | lots of 14 year olds are male :P |
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| 09:34 | <LA[ill]> | or I'm the lucky first one, who hasn't had sex, is mle and pregnant |
| 09:34 | <LA[ill]> | ehh.. somebody HAS to be the first then.. |
| 09:34 | <Shark> | Eddi|zuHause2, ok, anything else that may helps? |
| 09:35 | <Gonozal_VIII> | lots of 14 year olds are male... lots of 14 year olds are pregnant... you're 14 years old... obviously pregnant |
| 09:35 | * | keyweed_ blinks |
| 09:35 | <Shark> | it simply segfault without any other info |
| 09:35 | <+glx> | Shark: is it a plain TTD savegame or TTDPatch ? |
| 09:35 | <fjb> | Does the terraforming of the ai follow any pattern? |
| 09:35 | <keyweed_> | OpenSex ?? |
| 09:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe, somebody changed the source of pregnacy^^ |
| 09:36 | <Shark> | glx, well, it's converted from an old tto savegame with svxconverter |
| 09:36 | <+glx> | Shark: and attach the crash.dmp file too |
| 09:36 | <Shark> | but i've tried it on ttd under dosbox and works |
| 09:37 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and did you resave it with ttd? |
| 09:37 | <Shark> | yep |
| 09:37 | <Shark> | and also under ttdpatch |
| 09:37 | <Shark> | both read it |
| 09:37 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ttd games are more likely to work than ttdpatch |
| 09:38 | <Gonozal_VIII> | 5.3? |
| 09:38 | <@peter1138> | Digitalfox, what assertion, and doing what? |
| 09:38 | <Shark> | no the last beta3 |
| 09:38 | <Digitalfox> | I was trying DBset and XL and when i build each maglev from each set it crashed |
| 09:38 | <Shark> | i've also tried the svn version with the same result |
| 09:39 | <@peter1138> | hmm, i don't have dbset |
| 09:39 | <Gonozal_VIII> | dbset and dbset xl at the same time? |
| 09:39 | * | peter1138 gets |
| 09:39 | <Digitalfox> | peter1138: http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/dbsetw.zip |
| 09:40 | <Shark> | glx, where is saved crash.dmp? |
| 09:40 | <Shark> | under .openttd? |
| 09:41 | <@peter1138> | Digitalfox, what's the _s one? |
| 09:41 | <+glx> | Shark: linux? |
| 09:41 | <Digitalfox> | Maglev with mail and passenger wagons from each set |
| 09:41 | <Shark> | glx, yep |
| 09:41 | <+glx> | no crash.dmp then :) |
| 09:42 | <@peter1138> | ook |
| 09:42 | <@peter1138> | dbset gets disabled if dbsetxl is loaded |
| 09:42 | <@peter1138> | so you can test them together |
| 09:43 | <Digitalfox> | try loading dbsetxl and then dbset.. |
| 09:43 | <@peter1138> | doesn't matter |
| 09:43 | <@peter1138> | either way, dbset is disabled |
| 09:44 | <Digitalfox> | So since this patch there's no need to protect against that scenario, would it be possible to break that protection to load anyway the set's? |
| 09:44 | <@peter1138> | no |
| 09:44 | <@peter1138> | the grf itself does the disabling |
| 09:44 | <Digitalfox> | yes, peter but could you override it? |
| 09:44 | <@peter1138> | no |
| 09:45 | <Shark> | glx, when i try to register on bugs.openttd.org i got this error: Notice: Undefined variable: register_text in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 558 |
| 09:45 | <Shark> | :( |
| 09:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [15:44:48][15:44:48] Digitalfox: yes, peter but could you override it? |
| 09:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [15:44:51][15:44:51] peter1138: no |
| 09:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | sure you can |
| 09:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | remove the action 7 |
| 09:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | or change the grfid of dbset |
| 09:45 | <+glx> | no, because disabling may have many causes |
| 09:46 | <Digitalfox> | well, i know he can but i'm talking about the patch doing that automaticly, but i guess he's against it :) |
| 09:46 | <+glx> | it could be "wrong climate", "grf conflict", ... |
| 09:46 | <Digitalfox> | you have a point glx |
| 09:46 | <yorick> | there si a bug in the bug reporting system :-D |
| 09:47 | <yorick> | is* |
| 09:47 | <Shark> | lol :D |
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| 09:49 | <yorick> | hmm...I patched 0.6.0-beta3 as a 0.6.0-beta2 :D |
| 09:49 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: smatz * r11917 /trunk/src/ai/default/default.cpp: -Fix (r3677): AI was reading wrong tile slope while building road bridge |
| 09:49 | <+glx> | Shark: aren't you already registered? |
| 09:49 | <@peter1138> | it probably registered then blew up |
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| 09:51 | <Shark> | glx, nope |
| 09:51 | <Shark> | i've discovered openttd last week;) |
| 09:53 | <Shark> | i can try a savegame from the web to see if it works |
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| 09:55 | <Shark> | with a random savefile it works |
| 09:56 | <Shark> | i guess the problem is with the converter? |
| 09:58 | <DaleStan> | If TTD(Patch) can open it, then the game is probably OK. Not certainly, but probably. The longer TTD(Patch) can play it, the more likely the game is OK. |
| 09:59 | <Shark> | ok i'll give it a try |
| 09:59 | <Shark> | thanks |
| 10:00 | <Shark> | bye |
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| 10:15 | <hylje> | http://1chan.net/rail/src/1200660320910.jpg |
| 10:15 | <SmatZ> | :D |
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| 10:24 | <pavel1269> | hi |
| 10:27 | <dih> | :-) |
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| 10:33 | * | LA[ill] rembers dih that it's 18-th January already. 13 days more... |
| 10:33 | <LA[ill]> | reminds* |
| 10:35 | <dih> | patience is a virtue |
| 10:35 | <dih> | vitue was never one of my virtues ^^ |
| 10:37 | <@peter1138> | 13 days for what? |
| 10:37 | <@peter1138> | apart from end of the month |
| 10:37 | <dih> | wwottdgd |
| 10:37 | <@peter1138> | oh |
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| 10:37 | <dih> | we turn ottd into an mmo |
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| 10:38 | <dih> | http://openttd.dihedral.de/servers/wwottdgd/ |
| 10:38 | <dih> | http://openttd.dihedral.de/2007/10/27/33/ |
| 10:38 | <dih> | the screenie in the second url :-) |
| 10:39 | <dih> | 'twas awsome... |
| 10:39 | <dih> | though i did fool myself |
| 10:40 | <dih> | 2 of the patches i wrote were the 'move clients' and forcing clients to join as spec - no matter what |
| 10:40 | <dih> | that was to allow for a certain level of sanity |
| 10:40 | <dih> | nobody could just join and 'flood' or stuff like that |
| 10:40 | <dih> | and we (mainly i) had to 'move' the clients from spec into 'their' company |
| 10:41 | <dih> | a big 2048^2 map of europ, split into zones |
| 10:41 | <dih> | using TB's gobal tracks patch, one company provided 'inter zone' networks |
| 10:41 | <dih> | and airports |
| 10:41 | <dih> | :-) |
| 10:41 | <hylje> | :> |
| 10:41 | <dih> | server is still running if you'd like to take a look :-) |
| 10:42 | <dih> | peter1138 is letting me monologue.... |
| 10:42 | <NukeBuster> | Belugas, did you have a look at http://www.tt-forums.net/index.php?sid=0dcb8781b31a71c939f68ec3f956a4b2? |
| 10:42 | <dih> | you always paste your session id? |
| 10:43 | <NukeBuster> | hmm |
| 10:43 | <NukeBuster> | no i normally do'nt |
| 10:43 | <hylje> | blame php |
| 10:43 | <dih> | that url just takes me to the main page of the forums... |
| 10:44 | <NukeBuster> | i thought i copied the url... but the session id is ip bound so wouldn't matter really |
| 10:44 | <NukeBuster> | *http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35806 |
| 10:45 | <dih> | yes - it is a nice idea |
| 10:45 | <NukeBuster> | it's a very simple patch... |
| 10:45 | <dih> | of course it would be |
| 10:45 | <NukeBuster> | every thing was already there... |
| 10:46 | <dih> | personally i would add a server side setting which lets the admin 'request', permit and deny password setting on companies |
| 10:47 | <NukeBuster> | hmm... but the code as is, would set a password when joining if one is set in openttd.cfg |
| 10:47 | <dih> | yes i know |
| 10:48 | <NukeBuster> | my patch just brings that to the light |
| 10:48 | <dih> | yet say the server admin 'requested' people to set a password, window pops up |
| 10:48 | <dih> | does not allow no password |
| 10:49 | <dih> | if server setting is 'allow' or 'permit' client side setting is popup=true or false |
| 10:49 | <NukeBuster> | thats a nice idea |
| 10:49 | <dih> | if server setting is deny (which could be useful to openttdcoop) then the window is _never_ shown |
| 10:49 | <NukeBuster> | should i change it so that the default password also isnt set on deny? |
| 10:49 | <dih> | and the password button in the companies overview window is also disabled |
| 10:50 | <dih> | to be honest, what you did and what i just expressed are 2 diff things |
| 10:50 | <dih> | perhaps keep the patch you have |
| 10:50 | <dih> | and build an 'addon patch' |
| 10:50 | <dih> | that uses your current patch |
| 10:50 | <NukeBuster> | thats would i thought as well... |
| 10:50 | <@Belugas> | NukeBuster, i'm not into network stuff. I have played one or two MPs since i've started. So. i'm not going to YaY or Nay on it. Sorry |
| 10:51 | <NukeBuster> | Ok, thanks for your reply Belugas. By who should I be for the network stuff? |
| 10:51 | <NukeBuster> | *Who should I ask? |
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| 10:53 | <NukeBuster> | Dihedral, I think it's a nice idea to make it a second patch. I will look in to how to make patch settings and try to implement that. |
| 10:54 | <dih> | perhaps make sure that if you use patch settings, that they are ones that are not stored in the sav games |
| 10:55 | <dih> | as it could break compatability to older / other sav's |
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| 10:55 | <NukeBuster> | ok thanks for the tip. I'm new to making patch settings but as I said I will gather some information before starting. |
| 10:56 | <dih> | :-) |
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| 10:59 | <NukeBuster> | dih, do you know how to remove the M from the version number? |
| 10:59 | <hylje> | ./configure --revision=.. |
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| 10:59 | <NukeBuster> | Ok thanks. |
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| 11:02 | <@peter1138> | that's no how i do it ;) |
| 11:02 | <@peter1138> | +t |
| 11:02 | <hylje> | either way |
| 11:04 | <NukeBuster> | peter1138, how do you do it than? |
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| 11:10 | <dih> | make REVISION= perhaps |
| 11:17 | <fjb> | Hm, 22 downloads of my patched executable and still no complain. What did I do wrong? |
| 11:17 | <hylje> | you did it too well |
| 11:18 | <fjb> | I guess not. I bet none of the downloaders could use it. |
| 11:18 | <frosch123> | fjb: I feel the same about the 77 downloads of grf2html 0.4 :) |
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| 11:19 | <fjb> | frosch123: But that is working, isn't it? |
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| 11:19 | <Prof_Frink> | fjb: Or you trojaned it to wipe people's hard drives so they can't get in t'internet to complain. |
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| 11:19 | <frosch123> | At least for me :) |
| 11:19 | <Ammler> | fjb: what patch? |
| 11:19 | <fjb> | No, no, nothing like that. It just doesn't work on the most often used OSs. :-) |
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| 11:20 | <fjb> | Ammler: The passenger destinations patzch. |
| 11:20 | <fjb> | I applied it to r11891 |
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| 11:21 | <fjb> | This thread, last reply: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=33501&start=320 :-) |
| 11:21 | <frosch123> | fjb: It is not fair to hide the extention in an zip. |
| 11:22 | <fjb> | The forum software didn't let me upload the unziped executable. |
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| 11:23 | <fjb> | And the zipfile has one third of the size of the executable. |
| 11:24 | <frosch123> | What about .gz? |
| 11:24 | <fjb> | Hm, I thought more people will have an unzip. |
| 11:24 | <Prof_Frink> | frosch123: Well, if it's a winders executable zip makes most sense |
| 11:25 | <frosch123> | lol, but it is a linux executable :) |
| 11:25 | <fjb> | No, it isn't. |
| 11:25 | <frosch123> | what else? |
| 11:26 | <fjb> | FreeBSd ofcourse. What else? |
| 11:26 | <Prof_Frink> | GNU Hird? |
| 11:26 | <Ammler> | :P |
| 11:26 | <Prof_Frink> | (Or Hurd, depending which half of the acronym you prefer) |
| 11:27 | <fjb> | Did that ever reach an usable stage? |
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| 11:28 | <fjb> | But I fulfilled the request. Is everybody using FreeBSD? Or why did nobody complain? Strange people... |
| 11:28 | <hylje> | :o |
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| 11:30 | <fjb> | Oh, three of you did download it. :-) |
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| 11:39 | <ln-> | does someone use Evolution as email program? |
| 11:40 | <Prof_Frink> | How... gnomish. |
| 11:40 | <dih> | lol |
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| 11:42 | <ln-> | raise your hands, i won't ask anything hard |
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| 11:42 | <ln-> | in fact, i won't ask anything. |
| 11:43 | <Yorick> | hello |
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| 12:28 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hm... anyone experience with KDE 4? |
| 12:28 | <LA[ill]> | almost... |
| 12:28 | <Prof_Frink> | Eddi|zuHause2: I'm using it as my main desktop |
| 12:29 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | would you recommend switching? |
| 12:29 | <LA[ill]> | definatly :D |
| 12:29 | <Prof_Frink> | Depends. The plasma panel lacks a configurer atm, but it's definitley faster. |
| 12:30 | <Prof_Frink> | And the compsting effects are shiny. |
| 12:30 | <ln-> | LA[ill]: how many 'a' letters in "definitely"? |
| 12:30 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | same number as in "sick" ;) |
| 12:31 | <LA[ill]> | definatly |
| 12:31 | <Prof_Frink> | LA[ill]: Nope, try again. |
| 12:31 | <LA[ill]> | come on.. I'm ill, you have to live with me making typos, when I'm ill... |
| 12:31 | <ln-> | and even odd punctuation? |
| 12:32 | <LA[ill]> | definitely.... three a letters. |
| 12:32 | <LA[ill]> | ln-: of course |
| 12:33 | <Prof_Frink> | Eddi|zuHause2: If your distro has suitable packages you should be able to install it alongside KDE3 |
| 12:34 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i'm using SuSE, i'd beat them senseless if they didn't offer packages ;) |
| 12:34 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yes, i read somewhere that i could have them in parallel |
| 12:42 | <Prof_Frink> | http://dot.kde.org/1200050369/ has destructions. |
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| 12:42 | <Wolf01> | hello |
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| 12:46 | <murray> | hi |
| 12:47 | <LA[ill]> | hello murray |
| 12:47 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hmm... germany wants to introduce regional TLDs, like ".berlin" or ".bayern" |
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| 12:47 | <Prof_Frink> | How fail. |
| 12:48 | <murray> | hi LA :) |
| 12:48 | <murray> | "How fail", well put |
| 12:49 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | does that have a deeper meaning i should be aware about? |
| 12:50 | <Prof_Frink> | Not really, just that the germs are fail |
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| 12:51 | <murray> | not all of them of course |
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| 12:51 | <murray> | seeing as "zuHause" sounds suspiciously german |
| 12:51 | <dih> | :-) |
| 12:52 | <murray> | 8) |
| 12:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i got to admire your deductive skills :p |
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| 12:53 | <dih> | hehe |
| 12:53 | <murray> | ^^ |
| 12:53 | <murray> | seems my 5 year of german torture in school wasn't in vain :p |
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| 12:55 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | how do you get to 5 years? it's an awfully odd number (literally) |
| 12:56 | <Prof_Frink> | What's so awful about odd numbers? |
| 12:56 | <dih> | Eddi: just as odd as any other odd number |
| 12:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i don't know... it's just odd... |
| 12:56 | <dih> | of course it's odd |
| 12:56 | <UnderBuilder> | why I always get connection lost when I try to join a server? |
| 12:56 | <dih> | what would you expect an odd number to be? |
| 12:56 | <murray> | good point actually |
| 12:57 | <Prof_Frink> | Actually, 5 is against the golden rule of accounting |
| 12:57 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i've had 8 years of english, 4 years of french and 2 years of spanish |
| 12:57 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | all even... |
| 12:57 | <murray> | was supposed to have 3 years on the last school but since i had 3 on the first i needed only 2 |
| 12:57 | <Prof_Frink> | I did 2 years of german iirc |
| 12:58 | <Prof_Frink> | And lots of years of French |
| 12:58 | <UnderBuilder> | why I always get connection lost when I try to join a server? |
| 12:58 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | the experience was that horrifying that you try to forget it? :) |
| 12:58 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | UnderBuilder: because you lost connection? |
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| 12:58 | <Prof_Frink> | Eddi|zuHause2: If by "the experience" you mean school |
| 12:58 | <UnderBuilder> | that happens with 1024x1024 games |
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| 12:59 | <dih> | i had 13 years of school - aahhhh help - an odd number |
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