TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2008:01:06

---	Log	opened Sun Jan 06 00:00:11 2008
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00:44	<Gonozal_VIII>	wow, i finally got the buffers working
00:44	<Gonozal_VIII>	worked around the sprite order mixery in the code with excessive sprite duplication :D
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01:33	<root>	root ...
01:33	<Gonozal_VIII>	root root
01:33	<root>	dumb linux
01:33	<root>	ludde !!!
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01:35	<Gonozal_VIII>	strange underground part of a plant
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03:15	<Draakon>	hello
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03:45	<Roujin>	morning..
03:46	<roboboy>	hello
03:46	<Draakon>	morning
03:59	<Draakon>	what line of code i need to change to disable industries closing down no matter of what?
04:08	<Draakon>	anybody?
04:19	<Roujin>	erm.. lemme look into it, just a sec
04:21	<Roujin>	search in industry_cmd.cpp for the line " /* Close if needed and allowed */"
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04:21	<Roujin>	ah well
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04:38	<pavel1269>	hi
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04:43	<Wolf01>	hello
04:44	<pavel1269>	hi
04:44	<pavel1269>	Wolf01: you are autor of PBS patch?
04:44	<Wolf01>	no
04:45	<Wolf01>	i'm the author of transparency and brickland
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04:47	<pavel1269>	i just ... can't even try that patch :(
04:48	<Roujin>	well it's still buggy anyways
04:48	<Roujin>	can't place bridges or tunnels without everything locking up
04:52	<Roujin>	maybe ask the author to use svn diff for his next version?
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05:45	<pavel1269>	Roujin: i am not surprised ... signal states are ... confusig/hard to understand ;)
05:45	<peter__>	are they?
05:46	<peter__>	red or green?
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06:09	<dih>	mornin'
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06:21	<pavel1269>	11:46 <peter__> red or green? --- both :P
06:21	<dih>	if min_players is set to anything > 0, can it perhaps /not/ take spectators into account?
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06:25	<peter__>	dih, it doesn't?
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06:27	<Draakon>	hello
06:28	<pavel1269>	hi
06:29	<dih>	peter__ no it does not, i am looking at it right now
06:29	<dih>	how about adding an optional parameter to NetworkCountPlayers()
06:29	<dih>	so that not only IsValidPlayer(ci->client_playas) is checked
06:30	<dih>	but also if the parameter is true, check that playas is not PLAYER_SPECTATOR or whatever that const is called :-P
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06:33	<peter__>	works for me
06:33	<pavel1269>	hehe
06:33	<dih>	can c++ do optional params?
06:33	<dih>	or do i have to overload it?
06:33	<pavel1269>	yup
06:34	<dih>	yup what?
06:34	<peter__>	why would it need parameters?
06:34	<pavel1269>	int Function(int i = 0);
06:34	<peter__>	NetworkCountPlayers is only used by the min_players stuff
06:34	<dih>	thanks
06:34	<peter__>	btw
06:34	<peter__>	it only works on dedicated servers
06:34	<dih>	yes - i know
06:34	<pavel1269>	if in declaration then you can't do that to definition ;)
06:35	<peter__>	ok
06:35	<dih>	i wanted an optional param, because i was unsure where else it was used :-P
06:35	<dih>	bad i know
06:35	<dih>	should check first :-)
06:35	<peter__>	well it definitely does not count spectators as players
06:35	<dih>	on openttdcoop we have a min playercount of 2
06:35	<Draakon>	what are you guys talking about?
06:35	<dih>	and a spec joined and the game was unpaused
06:36	<pavel1269>	anyway, that spec aws there alone?
06:36	<dih>	no
06:36	<dih>	but as i said, min players = 2
06:36	<dih>	with spec there were 2 clients
06:37	<pavel1269>	i don't understand what are you talking about at the moment, when there was other ppl
06:37	<peter__>	nope
06:37	<peter__>	min_players works correctly for me
06:37	<pavel1269>	same here
06:38	<pavel1269>	btw, why not allow that for not dedicated server?
06:39	<dih>	because the person hosting a non-dedicated can do that manually - he/she/it will most likely see the game anyway :-P
06:39	<pavel1269>	i play with friends and i go out shop anyway and i dont want to kick them, so i will set min_players to 2 and ... if everyone else except me disconnect game will pause ...
06:39	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: smatz * r11767 /trunk/src/ (terraform_gui.cpp tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp):
06:39	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Fix: do not call rail specific functions when building road bridge
06:39	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Fix: missing space in terraform_gui.cpp
06:42	<dih>	odd
06:45	<dih>	it does not work correctly on openttdcoop
06:45	<pavel1269>	so they broke it ;)
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06:45	<dih>	it is min_players = 2
06:45	<dih>	one player was connected, and i joined as spec
06:45	<dih>	and the game was unpaused
06:46	<peter__>	and i just tested the same thing. it works.
06:46	<pavel1269>	btw, are you both talking surely about same thing? :D
06:47	<dih>	with 2 players?
06:47	<dih>	yes, i am pretty sure we are
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06:49	<kingpin>	bon giorno everyone
06:49	<Draakon>	helloo
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06:50	<pavel1269>	how can i greed you now when you say something strange ... what if you are affront us? :)
06:50	<pavel1269>	*affroting
06:51	<dih>	peter__: we dont used patched games for openttdcoop
06:51	[~]	pavel1269 hopes, that affroead is correct word ^^
06:51	<dih>	sounds like its missing an h pavell
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06:52	[~]	pavel1269 is looking to vocabulary atm
06:52	<peter__>	whoops
06:52	<peter__>	battery ran out :o
06:53	<pavel1269>	affront ... it must be it ^^
06:54	<dih>	<dih> peter__: we dont used patched games for openttdcoop
06:56	<dih>	i dont see what could be going 'wrong' on openttdcoop if it workes for you...?
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06:59	<dih>	it worked for me too on one of my 0.6.0-beta2 servers
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07:02	<gucio>	hello, can someone could help me ?
07:03	<gucio>	ive got ubuntu 7.10, already install openttd, copy needed files and dont know how to run the game :/
07:03	<pavel1269>	yes
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07:04	<pavel1269>	but not me :)
07:04	<gucio>	:P
07:04	<Alberth>	cd bin ; ./openttd usually works for me
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07:06	<gucio>	hmmm..
07:06	<Noldo>	bin/openttd works too :)
07:07	<+tokai>	make run ? :)
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07:07	<+tokai>	AFAIR the makefile had a shortcut for this
07:08	<LordAzamath>	hello!
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07:14	<Sacr1>	now that's confusing
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07:15	<gucio>	are you typeing this "bin/openttd" only into the terminal ? :\|
07:15	<Alberth>	yes, where else?
07:16	<gucio>	but only this ?
07:16	<Alberth>	depends on where you are
07:17	<Alberth>	plz give some info, pwd, where you installed openttd
07:17	<gucio>	/usr/share/games/openttd , automatically instalation
07:17	<gucio>	sry for bad english :/
07:18	<Alberth>	hmm, unusual place
07:18	<Alberth>	well, go there (cd /usr/share/games/openttd/bin)
07:18	<Sacro>	which openttd
07:19	<Alberth>	much better indeed
07:19	<Alberth>	i'd expect /usr/bin/openttd judging from the share directory
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07:21	<Sacro>	hmmm, which distro?
07:21	<Prof_Frink>	gucio: Installed via apt/synaptic?
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07:21	<gucio>	0.5.3 debian/ubuntu or something like that
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07:22	<Prof_Frink>	gucio: As Sacro said, type `which openttd` into the teminal
07:22	<Alberth>	if all else fails, find it with find / -type f -name openttd -perm -u=x -print
07:22	<Sacro>	find / \| grep openttd$
07:22	<Sacro>	mine is shorter :p
07:23	<gucio>	hehe
07:23	<Prof_Frink>	But it calls two binaries and a pipe
07:23	<Alberth>	need escape of the $ :)
07:25	<gucio>	/usr/games/openttd he found this
07:25	<Sacro>	ls -l /usr/games/openttd
07:26	<gucio>	what does it do ?
07:26	<Sacro>	yep
07:26	<Sacro>	oh hmm
07:26	<Sacro>	thats a strange path
07:26	<Alberth>	ls(1) :)
07:27	<Alberth>	should give a line with details about the entry
07:27	<gucio>	you mean this ? -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1454600 2007-09-15 22:06 /usr/games/openttd
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07:28	<Alberth>	yep, that's the one
07:28	<gucio>	:)
07:28	<Alberth>	so, /usr/games/openttd should work
07:29	<gucio>	yes indeed :)
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07:30	<gucio>	i've got to be blind becouse ive looked into this folder few times :/
07:30	<peter__>	in which case just typing "openttd" should run it
07:30	<peter__>	unless you're root, but you wouldn't run games as root
07:31	<dih>	peter__ may i get your attention to something (useful to dedicated servers)
07:31	<dih>	http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/network_nextgame_reload_cfg.patch
07:31	<Alberth>	don't know whether ubuntu also installs an entry in the menu
07:32	<gucio>	thanks for everything :)
07:32	<Prof_Frink>	I don't see one here
07:33	[~]	LordAzamath is messing with Macromedia Flash MX
07:33	<Sacro>	Arch adds a .desktop file
07:34	<Sacro>	"The firms claims that the secure connection has no lag and is able to stream a range of high definition formats including the highest resolution TV format available today, known as 1080p"
07:34	<Sacro>	it must have lag
07:35	<Sacro>	by the laws of physics it can only go as fast as C
07:35	<Alberth>	sue them! :)
07:35	<Sacro>	also, 1080p is NOT the highest TV format available
07:35	<Rubidium>	∞p is
07:36	<Sacro>	stupid BBC repots
07:36	<Sacro>	*reporst
07:36	<Sacro>	*reporsts
07:36	<Sacro>	arghhh
07:36	<Sacro>	*reports
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07:38	<dih>	nobody here with interest in dedicated servers?
07:39	<Prof_Frink>	Hmm, I'm sure the .debs used to have a .desktop
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07:47	<Draakon>	hello
07:48	<Draakon>	why i got this error while compiling http://paste.openttd.org/395
07:48	<Draakon>	??
07:48	<Rubidium>	because your svn up gave a conflict
07:49	<dih>	:-P
07:49	<Draakon>	don't understand :(
07:50	<Rubidium>	you did apply a patch, or modify the source code and then did svn update or something equivalent
07:50	<Rubidium>	or you applied an already broken patch
07:50	<Draakon>	oh
07:51	<dih>	http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/r11767_network_nextgame_reload_cfg.diff
07:51	<Draakon>	k then repatching needs to be done then
07:51	<Draakon>	whats that dih?
07:51	<dih>	something for some dev to look at
07:51	<dih>	:-P
07:52	<Draakon>	k
07:54	<Draakon>	anyone knows what line of code i need to change to prevent industries closing, no matter of what?
07:54	<pavel1269>	look at patch who sameone wrote
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07:56	<Draakon>	you mean this one http://paste.openttd.org/395 ??
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08:02	[~]	LordAzamath succesfully finished messing with Macromedia Flash MX..five new animations in the world now
08:03	<Draakon>	hehe
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08:03	<LordAzamath>	had to do some work for my sister...
08:03	<Draakon>	lol
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08:04	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	hmm I should draw something now...
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08:05	<Draakon>	LA, what new animations you made?
08:06	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	some pictures blending into eachother in flash
08:06	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	nothing hard or beautiful :D
08:07	<Draakon>	k
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08:11	<Desolator>	hello guys
08:11	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	hello
08:11	<Desolator>	anybody who is able to help me with some I/O in C?
08:11	<Sacro>	fgets!
08:12	<Desolator>	that's the function I have a problem with, lemme explain
08:12	<Draakon>	:S i get a new error now
08:12	<Draakon>	http://paste.openttd.org/396
08:14	<Draakon>	ah looks like i cant use same patches then
08:15	<Desolator>	I'm building a program to use my DLL that changes the status message of Y!M (a friend requsted this). I ask the user for the version using scanf, check if it's 7 or 8, if it is I ask him/her to specify if he wants to be shown as busy (using 1 or 0, again with scanf). Then, I ask him for the status message, using fgets, BUT:
08:16	<Desolator>	after the user presses ENTER on the 2nd scanf, fgets appears to get this as well and the user has no chance to input his status and the whole thing goes down the drain. Why?
08:17	<roboboy>	gnight
08:17	<pavel1269>	night? :o
08:17	<pavel1269>	where r you from?
08:18	<@Belugas>	Down Under, maybe?
08:18	<@Belugas>	well... down... always relative to where you are ^_^
08:19	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	down under....reminds of brown thunder, from GTA:VC
08:19	<Desolator>	Belugas
08:19	<Desolator>	would you mind lending me some help, please?
08:21	<@Belugas>	don't know, i'm still in morning limbo
08:21	<@Belugas>	and very few keyboard time, to be honest
08:21	<Desolator>	ouch...
08:22	<@Belugas>	but... go ahaed...
08:22	<@Belugas>	doubtfull i would be the only one who can help ;)
08:22	<Desolator>	:)
08:22	<Desolator>	look above, I explain my problem when I joined
08:23	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	Zephyris made it...again
08:23	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	sawmill
08:23	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=653836#p653836
08:24	<pavel1269>	looks good
08:24	<@Belugas>	Desolator, your dll problem ? me is not a good resource for that, not in C, actually...
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08:24	<Desolator>	Belugas: the problem is in the app I made that asks the user for info and calls the DLL
08:25	<Desolator>	I'll paste the code somewhere
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08:29	<Desolator>	http://rafb.net/p/CxxZ2T21.html
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08:30	<Desolator>	(yeah I missed a `break' in that switch on `case 0', fixed over here)
08:30	<Desolator>	(though I doubt it would make a difference)
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08:36	[~]	Belugas is off.
08:36	<@Belugas>	Desolator, not in the mood for learning and debugging
08:36	<@Belugas>	sorry
08:37	<Desolator>	no problem
08:39	<peter__>	you don't need break after return...
08:40	<Desolator>	I changed that part and moved the return out of the way
08:40	<Sacr1>	peter__: it might forget
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08:40	<peter__>	p_status might as well be a static buffer
08:41	<peter__>	saves all that malloc and free crap
08:41	<peter__>	also char *p_status = 0 ?
08:41	<peter__>	technically valid but why not NULL instead of 0?
08:41	<Desolator>	doesn't make initialize the pointer to 0?
08:41	<Alberth>	in C++ yes, in C no
08:41	<peter__>	...
08:41	<Desolator>	isn't in the WinAPI: typdef NULL 0; ?
08:42	<peter__>	make just calls compilers and linkers
08:42	<Desolator>	GCC is this case, not G++
08:42	<peter__>	but anyway
08:42	<peter__>	char p_status[1000];
08:42	<Alberth>	technically, 0 may be a valid address, NULL is always a non-valid address
08:43	<peter__>	fgets(p_station, sizeof(p_status), stdin);
08:43	<peter__>	absolutely no need to use a pointer, heh
08:43	<Desolator>	but isn't NULL a typedef to 0?
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08:43	<Alberth>	at your machine, maybe, but C gives no guarantee for that
08:43	<peter__>	no... a define maybe on some
08:43	<peter__>	but definitely not a typedef
08:44	<Desolator>	brb
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08:45	<Desolator>	ok
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08:47	<Alberth>	if you add \n after scanf %ld, it works, except the stdin/stdout synchronization is screwed up
08:47	<Draakon>	zomg
08:47	<Alberth>	ie scanf("%ld\n", &is_busy);
08:47	<Draakon>	i forced a charsh
08:47	<Draakon>	:D
08:48	<Draakon>	crash*
08:48	<Desolator>	ok, done: http://rafb.net/p/OU9vfw99.html
08:48	<Desolator>	Alberth: why would I need to?
08:49	<Alberth>	you should also read the \n you're typing
08:50	<Desolator>	...
08:50	<Alberth>	plz explain what you want, don't understand "..."
08:50	<Desolator>	what do you mean by "[15:48] <Alberth> you should also read the \n you're typing" ?
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08:51	<Alberth>	if you type eg "0\n" as 'busy' value, scanf only reads "0", and the "\n" remains in stdin. fgets then reads that
08:52	<Desolator>	ouch...thinks
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08:53	<Desolator>	hmm, now I can press enter 'till my keyboard goes boom, as scanf no longer ends at it...not quite the intended behaviour, don't you think?
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08:53	<Alberth>	I also had some problems, don't understand why exactly.
08:54	<Alberth>	As alternative, I have now "do { k = fgetc(stdin); } while(k != EOF && k!='\n');" in front of fgets, and no \n in scanf
08:54	<Desolator>	I'll try
08:54	<Alberth>	can send you a small example prg
08:57	<Desolator>	ok, it works, yet the app still crashes runs gdb
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08:58	<Desolator>	hmm, it appears to be in the dll, I think I've found it
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09:05	<Desolator>	how do I get rid of the "\n" I get from fgets?
09:07	<Alberth>	no idea
09:08	<Desolator>	I found it, sscanf
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09:09	<Alberth>	wouldn't looping over the array and replacing the \n by \0 not be easier?
09:09	<Desolator>	btw, is sscanf(status, '\n'); the same as sscanf(status, "\n"); ?
09:09	<Alberth>	nope
09:09	<+glx>	'' is not the same as ""
09:10	<Alberth>	first is a char, second is a null-terminated string
09:10	<Desolator>	I know that, I thought sscanf ignores the \0
09:11	<Alberth>	second parm should be a string in my sscanf(3) docs
09:12	<Desolator>	ok, is there a strreplace or something function in the C stanard libs or I need to invent it myself?
09:12	[~]	Desolator .oO(I bet I need to do it myself...)
09:14	<Alberth>	would this do? char strstr(const char haystack, const char *needle);
09:15	<Alberth>	finds the needle substring in the haystack
09:15	<Desolator>	yep
09:16	<Desolator>	what does it return?
09:17	<Alberth>	These functions return a pointer to the beginning of the substring, or NULL if not found
09:17	<Desolator>	ok
09:17	<Desolator>	"these" ?
09:18	<Alberth>	the other one at the man-page was strcasestr (case-insensitive cmp)
09:20	<Desolator>	what if the needle is included multiple times in the haystack? does it return the p to last occurence?
09:21	<Alberth>	no, "The strstr() function finds the first occurrence of the substring needle in the string haystack."
09:21	<Desolator>	ok
09:22	<Alberth>	if needle is a character, maybe this one is better: The rindex() function returns a pointer to the last occurrence of the character c in the string s.
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09:26	<Desolator>	or strchr
09:27	<Alberth>	with double rr for last occurrence :)
09:27	<Alberth>	that fnc sounds more familiar
09:31	<Desolator>	hmm, how do I remove a char from a string?
09:32	<Alberth>	if at end, replace by \0, else move everything after it one place towards the beginning
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09:33	<Alberth>	memmove() may be useful
09:33	<danmac>	can anyone help me out here, im trying to get nightly r11719 to work with os x so i can connect to the public server.
09:33	<danmac>	all i get is the program starting then exiting within seconds and the symbol dissapears from the dock
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09:35	<Alberth>	danmac: not a mac user, but what happens when you start it from a terminal?
09:36	<danmac>	to be quite honest im not too sure how to start it from terminal
09:36	<danmac>	i could tell you what happens if you tell me how to start it from there
09:36	<+glx>	and what is your osx version? (not a mac user either, but may help others)
09:36	<dih>	since when can one not set certain patch settings during multiplayer mode?
09:36	<danmac>	osx 10.5.1
09:37	<dih>	i.e. patch never_expire_vehicles 1 gives an error message
09:37	<danmac>	ive tried the dedicated osx, dedicated osx-intel, osx, and osx-intel
09:37	<+glx>	dih: settings that can touch newgrfs are disabled
09:38	<Rubidium>	primarily because they cause desyncs
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09:41	<danmac>	its really frustrating me, ive been using the 0.6 beta version for months but cant get it to roll back to r11719, tried it on a friends macbook, never had the game installed before and the r11719 version just ran fine first time
09:41	<@DorpsGek>	glx: Commit by rubidium :: r11452 /trunk/src (4 files) (2007-11-17 22:25:16 UTC)
09:41	<@DorpsGek>	glx: -Change: do not allow configuration changes, that NewGRFs can directly use to change their behaviour, during network games as this can cause desyncs.
09:41	<+glx>	dih: since ^^ ;)
09:41	<danmac>	i presume its a file somewhere in the system that the 0.6beta created that needs deleting, just which file i do not know though!
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09:42	<dih>	thank you glx
09:42	<+glx>	danmac: and your friend use leopard too?
09:42	<danmac>	tiger
09:43	<Rubidium>	could be that the nightly compile farm does not support leopard
09:43	<danmac>	oh i see
09:43	<danmac>	bummer
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09:43	<Rubidium>	though I've seen quite a lot of fixes for it
09:43	<danmac>	can anyone point me to a site that makes creating your own build a bit simpler for people like me?
09:43	<Rubidium>	egladil: should the nightlies work on Leopard?
09:43	<+glx>	default configure values are different for 10.4 and 10.5 IIRC
09:44	<Sacr1>	http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/mr_mordred2095/Vibrator/11052007007.jpg nsfw but incredibly geeky
09:44	<Rubidium>	danmac: wiki.openttd.org has a 'howto'
09:44	<dih>	and it's not that hard
09:44	<danmac>	does anyone think its possible to get the nightlies working then?
09:45	<Rubidium>	depends what you call working
09:45	<dih>	:-D
09:45	<danmac>	running at least
09:45	<Rubidium>	when it's working for leopard and not the rest, then yes
09:45	[~]	dih likes Rubidiums comments at times
09:46	<danmac>	or a site explaining creating my own biuld anybody?
09:46	<Sacr1>	is that danmac as in danmac from #tycoon?
09:46	<@DorpsGek>	glx: Commit by bjarni :: r11709 trunk/config.lib (2007-12-27 15:05:46 UTC)
09:46	<@DorpsGek>	glx: -Fix [FS#1385 FS#1386]: [OSX] Compiles on Leopard with the default settings
09:46	<@DorpsGek>	glx: -Change: [OSX] configure will no longer enable static by default
09:46	<@DorpsGek>	glx: Turns out that Leopard can't handle static builds without the user installing extra libs
09:46	<@DorpsGek>	glx: The tradeoff is that now people might have to enable static manually if moving the binary around
09:46	<Rubidium>	for supporting both tiger and leopard at the same time it's something completely different
09:46	<+glx>	maybe compile farm needs to be updated for this commit
09:46	<Rubidium>	danmac, as I said: on wiki.openttd.org is a 'howto' for building on OSX
09:47	<danmac>	ok, ill have a look see if i understand
09:47	<Rubidium>	if you don't understand it, then there is no other site
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09:52	<+glx>	but since r11709, nightlies should work on 10.5
09:52	<Alberth>	how can you find the aircrafts refitted for mail in the global plane overview?
09:53	<danmac>	cheers glx but this just doesnt seem to be the case for me!
09:53	<danmac>	i cant find this compile guide anywhere on the wiki
09:54	<Sacr1>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_Mac
09:55	<danmac>	cheers
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10:04	<danmac>	are there any plans fro regular biulds compatable with leopard?
10:05	<Sacr1>	yes
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10:06	<danmac>	great, any rough idea when this will happen?
10:06	<Sacr1>	nope
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10:26	<egladil>	[06 15:43 CET][06 15:43 CET] Rubidium egladil: should the nightlies work on Leopard? <== yes
10:28	<egladil>	afaik at least
10:28	<egladil>	got to go now though, but i'll check in to it when i get back
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10:40	<danmac>	thanks
10:40	<danmac>	would be great
10:40	<danmac>	it sucks having to use my old ibook
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10:49	<skidd13>	@seen KUDr
10:49	<@DorpsGek>	skidd13: KUDr was last seen in #openttd 10 weeks, 4 days, 1 hour, 25 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <KUDr> good
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10:57	<dih>	10weeks?
10:57	<dih>	ouch
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11:03	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	he was here yesterday, but he didn't say anything for a while
11:03	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	!logs
11:03	<SpComb>	Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
11:03	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	gah, an electric blackout
11:05	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	I had just finished everything and then electricity went out without me having saved for a long time
11:05	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	:(
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11:13	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	that should teach you :p
11:14	<Rubidium>	release early, release often
11:14	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	:P
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11:40	<Quatrh>	Hi! Anyone of you with a server? Which autoclean params do you have?
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12:08	<Digitalfox>	LA[Stop_Spam}: you lost a lot of work?
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12:09	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	not Very much
12:09	<LA[Stop_Spam}>	so much that I have recovered it by now
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12:10	<LA[Stop_spam]>	and I think I'll make a post now...
12:10	<Digitalfox>	what are working on?
12:10	<Digitalfox>	*you
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12:15	<LA[Stop_spam]>	I modified and coded my train depot..
12:15	<LA[Stop_spam]>	Maybe I'll next follow Zephyris' tutorial and make some temperate buildings
12:24	<LA[Stop_spam]>	yo can see my post now
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12:56	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	suggestion: if a train waits very long, have an option to issue a message to the player instead of have them turn around
12:58	<Gonozal_VIII>	trains that stop at the wrong stations... trains that turn around after waiting too long... your network is seriously flawed^^
12:59	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	my network needs PBS, trains get stuck too easily now...
12:59	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	but this incident of waiting too long was actually because the station was already full with loading trains
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13:01	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i already reserved a track just for unloading trains, so the station does not get blocked
13:01	<Gonozal_VIII>	add a waiting depot :-)
13:01	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i have another station like that, but i don't have the space there to pre-sort the incoming trains
13:02	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	a depot doesn't help there
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13:07	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2024.%20Jan%201951.png <- the steel station
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13:09	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	the steel and ore trains get separated by waypoints, there is a waiting area for steel trains
13:09	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	only the ore trains can reach the leftmost platform
13:09	<Gonozal_VIII>	let them wait inside the depot, no problem then
13:10	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	no, that is the station where i don't have problems anymore ;)
13:11	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and there is a steel train waiting in the depot, because the ore output dropped in the last years ;)
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13:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2028.%20Jan%201951.png <- the goods station
13:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	there i don't have space to have a good train waiting area
13:17	<Gonozal_VIII>	depot :-)
13:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i have exactly 3 goods trains, going back and forth between the factory and the saw mill
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13:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and by murphys law they are arriving all 3 simultaneously ;)
13:18	<Gonozal_VIII>	hehe
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13:22	<Roujin>	i hearby kindly request the ear of a dev :P
13:22	<Roujin>	no, not presented on a tablet..xD
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13:23	<kingpin>	hola amigos
13:24	<Roujin>	g'day
13:24	<kingpin>	what was the setting for iometric rendering 32Bpp files?
13:24	<kingpin>	iometric==isometric
13:26	<kingpin>	I recall reading on the wiki it was not the default ratio
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13:29	<LA[Stop_spam]>	anyone with working ttdpatch here?
13:30	<Rubidium>	Roujin: asking whether you may ask something isn't very useful in here cause it will usually be ignored
13:31	<Roujin>	nope, no question, just hoping for attention :P but you're right of course
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13:31	<Gonozal_VIII>	ATTENTION ATTENTION
13:31	<Gonozal_VIII>	now you have it ;-)
13:31	<Roujin>	so erm, it would be nice if someone has time to look at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35627
13:32	<Roujin>	done a patch that moves the scenario editor terraform stuff over to terraform_gui.cpp
13:32	<LA[Stop_spam]>	if there is somebody (eg. always helpful DaleStan or somebody), could the see this grf at this post.. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=653932#p653932 and watch what it does under TTDPatch
13:33	<Roujin>	could it be included into trunk?
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13:34	<pavel1269>	you are like factory ... make ... accept that ok? another ...
13:38	[~]	LA[Stop_spam] slaps himself..It's kinda obvious that in #OpenTTD channel there ain't any TTDPatch guys...
13:38	[~]	LA[Stop_spam] wonders if TTDPatch guys are in #tycoon channel at quakenet...
13:38	<DaleStan>	LA[Stop_spam]: Check it yourself. TTDPatch is known to work on every modern OS, and, in fact, Patchman got rid of his last Windows machine sometime in April of 2005.
13:38	<ln->	here's something for Sacro: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/vilcus/
13:39	<DaleStan>	It would also help if there were a description of what was happening vs what was supposed to be happening.
13:40	<LA[Stop_spam]>	there is ascreenshot at this post http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=300#p653875 check chimeara part
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13:43	<kingpin>	anybody, please. was the isometric ratio 1.4 or 1.33? do you have a cinema4d template?
13:43	<peterbrett>	kingpin: 1.414...
13:43	<DeGhost>	lol
13:43	<DeGhost>	make train shorter on diaginal!!1
13:44	<DeGhost>	they grow longer.....
13:44	<peterbrett>	kingpin: sqrt(2)
13:44	<peter__>	LA[Stop_spam], your third parameter, "01", usually alternates between "01" and "09"
13:44	<peterbrett>	kingpin: Then again, I could be utterly wrong
13:45	<kingpin>	peterbrett, thanks anyway
13:45	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	LA[Stop_spam]: use 01 if your sprite content is rectangular, and use 09 if the sprite content is irregular, and has lots of transparent area to fill the rectangle
13:46	<DaleStan>	LA[Stop_spam]: Ah. That bug. GRFCodec did not like the original PCX file, for some reason.