TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2008:01:04

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02:47	<dih>	good (?:(?:morn\|even)ing\|afternoon)
02:48	<Gonozal_VIII>	hehe
02:48	<Gonozal_VIII>	abend ;-)
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02:51	<dih>	:-P
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02:57	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmmm does somebody know what the maglev version of sprite 2437 is? (and the following 7 sprites)
02:58	<Gonozal_VIII>	trg1r
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03:00	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmmm i think i found it... 4366
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04:08	<Gonozal_VIII>	the maglev depot button and cursor are not in trg1r.grf :S
04:08	<peter_>	re
04:09	<peter_>	hmm?
04:09	<Gonozal_VIII>	can't find them
04:10	<Gonozal_VIII>	been looking through those 5k sprites 3 times now...
04:11	<peter_>	they're in the openttd base grf
04:12	<Gonozal_VIII>	really? that's strange
04:12	<Gonozal_VIII>	the other maglev stuff is in trg1r
04:15	<Gonozal_VIII>	but you're right... found them
04:15	<Gonozal_VIII>	thanks... but how can i replace sprites from the openttd.grf with a newgrf?
04:15	<DaleStan>	Actions 5 and/or A.
04:16	<DaleStan>	But which and how is poorly documented at best. Ask your devs to elaborate.
04:16	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmm
04:18	<Gonozal_VIII>	thanks for the info
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04:48	<Rubidium>	using action 5 is the safest way to do it (won't work on 0.5.3 and less though)
04:49	<Rubidium>	on the other hand the offsets for action A would differ between 0.5.3 and the current versions too and might get changed in the future too, though the action 5 offsets will remain stable
04:49	<Gonozal_VIII>	it doesn't have to work with old versions
04:50	<Rubidium>	then use action 5
04:51	<Gonozal_VIII>	i'll try, thanks :-)
04:51	<peter_>	is there a document list of offsets?
04:51	<peter_>	+ed
04:53	<Rubidium>	no(t yet)
04:55	<peter_>	sounds like a job for Gonozal_VIII on the wiki ;)
04:56	<Gonozal_VIII>	that would require that i figure it out myself first^^
04:57	<Rubidium>	Gonozal_VIII: svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/extra/ottd_grf/ && gimp split/openttdgui.pcx
04:58	<Rubidium>	and there they are, and all have the correct number except the last two (they don't have a number yet)
05:00	<Rubidium>	<sprite-number> * <length> 05 95 01 \b74
05:00	<Rubidium>	<real sprite>
05:01	<Rubidium>	would replace the maglev depot cursor (IIRC)
05:02	<Gonozal_VIII>	:S
05:02	<Gonozal_VIII>	somehow my grf disables maglev, yay^^
05:05	<Gonozal_VIII>	and i messed up some town houses and most of the bridge ramps face in the wrong direction..
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05:10	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11755 /trunk/src/debug.cpp: -Fix: Debug level string buffer was not long enough to contain all debug levels.
05:12	<Gonozal_VIII>	ok, the mess is not too bad...
05:14	<Gonozal_VIII>	what is \b74? 74 in hex?
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05:18	<Gonozal_VIII>	yay depot cursor works
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05:27	<Gonozal_VIII>	how did you get that 74?
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05:40	<peter_>	probably from SPR_CURSOR_MAGLEV_DEPOT = SPR_OPENTTD_BASE + 74,
05:40	<Gonozal_VIII>	ah... makes sense
05:40	<peter_>	in src/table/sprites.h
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05:49	<Gonozal_VIII>	hehe all the problems i had with the bridges and houses were the fault of a single wrong offset
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06:16	<Gonozal_VIII>	yay, got all cursors and buttons right
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07:36	<sanitarium>	Is anyone around that can help me with a specific compile issue with r11748? (hi, by the way! Nice to meet you hehe)
07:38	<Gonozal_VIII>	not if you don't write what the compile issue is (i can't help anyways) [why do i know your nick?]
07:39	<peter_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitarium
07:40	<sanitarium>	sorry :p the last person I asked was a windows user lol... anyway, I noticed with this nightly it has set my default data directory to home/me/.openttd instead of /openttd/bin/data and I have never seen this before. Is there any way to get it to save my games etc.. in the /bin/data directory like normal or am I stuck with it this way?
07:41	<sanitarium>	I had to specify the revision number in this compile (which I don't usually do) because I recently started using trams newgrf's in my games. Would this have something to do with why it changed the /data location?
07:41	<peter_>	check the ./configure options
07:41	<peter_>	there's a section on paths
07:42	<Gonozal_VIII>	there was a lot of talk about default path stuff for macs
07:44	<sanitarium>	thanks peter, checking now :)
07:44	<sanitarium>	Gonozal_VIII: was it changed recently?
07:44	<Gonozal_VIII>	i don't know... they talked about it a lot
07:45	<sanitarium>	Ah! You know what I think would be GREAT? I wish we could have a click and drag buy land tool....its so anoying to have to buy it once square at a time
07:45	<Gonozal_VIII>	you have that in singleplayer
07:46	<Gonozal_VIII>	disabled in multi because it's annoying
07:46	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmm
07:46	<Gonozal_VIII>	should be server setting
07:47	<sanitarium>	it worked!!! peter thanks so much!
07:47	<sanitarium>	yes, I am very surprised because I am not used to messing with options :D
07:47	<sanitarium>	<--- is not vry technically minded hehe
07:48	<sanitarium>	Gonozal_VIII: I cannot click and drag to buy land...is there a key combination to do it?
07:48	<sanitarium>	(sorry for all the dumb questions)
07:49	<Gonozal_VIII>	strange..
07:49	<Gonozal_VIII>	that used to work
07:49	<Gonozal_VIII>	i guess that was miniin or chrisin
07:50	<Gonozal_VIII>	i don't buy land often
07:50	<sanitarium>	ah thats alright.... this game is great anyway.. i remember when I had only TTD on a 486...I'd literally walk away from my computer for years at a time waiting for something to happen hehe
07:50	<sanitarium>	neither do I...but everytime I do, I think "man that would be a GREAT feature"
07:51	<sanitarium>	Before when I ran the game from konsole it would use the correct /bin/data directory, whereas a shortcut on my desktop would use the .openttd/ directory... I had thought I was doing something wrong.
07:51	<sanitarium>	Anyway, thanks for your help guys I really appreciate it :)
07:52	<Gonozal_VIII>	ouch, it's 2pm already and i didn't get any sleep yet
07:53	<sanitarium>	its only 11:56pm here
07:54	<Gonozal_VIII>	where are you?
07:54	<sanitarium>	Victoria, Australia
07:54	<sanitarium>	you?
07:54	<Gonozal_VIII>	ah i see
07:54	<Gonozal_VIII>	austria
07:54	<sanitarium>	ohhh whats the weather like? I got lots of crappy summer heat to swap if you want it?
07:55	<sanitarium>	In fact I will send it free :D :D (there has to be an IRC option here somewhere...!)
07:55	<Gonozal_VIII>	hehe, you can have our -11° and half meter snow
07:55	<sanitarium>	awwww we NEVER get snow :(
07:56	<sanitarium>	and yes I'd love to...although I'd probably be complaining about the darn cold in about 1/2 hour
07:56	<sanitarium>	Anyway, its late (and cooler finally!) so I must be off...although I'm pretty inept at this computer stuff....so don't be surprised if I come bother you guys again!
07:56	<Gonozal_VIII>	never snow, really? even in summer?
07:57	<sanitarium>	no, no snow EVER....well except some in the mountains in our country...although most of THAT is man made snow
07:58	<Gonozal_VIII>	i thought there would be some snow in the south...
07:59	<sanitarium>	Victoria is South-East Australia and we don't have any... Victoria is of course, the coolest state (temperature wise)
07:59	<sanitarium>	Anyway, I really must be off (sorry) got some pesky housework to do!
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08:15	<fjb>	Moin
08:15	<Gonozal_VIII>	hi
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08:16	<Brianetta>	Dudes, I got a segv when I try to play my 0.5 game
08:16	<Brianetta>	I have it halted in gdb right now (:
08:16	<Brianetta>	0.6beta2
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08:17	<Rubidium>	can you post the backtrace on paste.openttd.org?
08:18	<peter_>	assuming it's a debug build, heh
08:18	<Brianetta>	http://paste.openttd.org/387
08:18	<Brianetta>	it isn't, but I can build one
08:19	<Brianetta>	I do have an unstripped binary
08:19	<peter_>	ok, unstripped build, heh
08:19	<Brianetta>	It's a newgrf-heavy game
08:19	<Brianetta>	I can provide all relevant wossnames
08:19	<peter_>	a savegame might be useful
08:20	<Brianetta>	I haev a few
08:20	<Brianetta>	they're the same game, but years apart
08:20	<Brianetta>	I was going to show it to my boss, but it kept dumping
08:20	<Brianetta>	so I rebuilt it with stripping disabled
08:20	<Brianetta>	and got gdb to run it
08:21	<Gonozal_VIII>	to your boss?
08:21	<Brianetta>	yeah
08:21	<peter_>	Gonozal_VIII, he clearly wants to get sacked :D
08:21	<Brianetta>	He was just showing me glist!
08:22	<Brianetta>	Recounting tales of how he beat his six-year-old-son, and then got trounced in teh rematch
08:22	<peter_>	dishwasher tablets?
08:23	<Brianetta>	glist is a free RTS
08:23	<Brianetta>	I think that's its name
08:24	<peter_>	doesn't appear in google
08:24	<Gonozal_VIII>	and rts is like glist where you have to pay
08:24	<Gonozal_VIII>	perfectly logical
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08:24	<Brianetta>	ah
08:24	<Brianetta>	glest
08:24	<Brianetta>	I knew it was something like that
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08:25	<Brianetta>	http://ppcis.org/stm.sav
08:25	<Brianetta>	Rubidium: That's the saved game
08:25	<Brianetta>	If you need any of the newgrfs, let me know the md5sum
08:26	<peter_>	heh, still using old pgs
08:26	<Brianetta>	Stations?
08:26	<Brianetta>	There's a reason for old stations
08:26	<peter_>	yeah
08:26	<peter_>	license probably
08:26	<Brianetta>	unambiguous licensing
08:27	<peter_>	old ukrs too
08:27	<peter_>	hmm
08:27	<Brianetta>	It is?
08:27	<Brianetta>	Shouldn't be too old
08:28	<peter_>	ooh, bug
08:28	<Brianetta>	You saw it?
08:28	<peter_>	different bug
08:28	<Brianetta>	oh
08:28	<peter_>	when you load a game with incompatible grfs, the game starts paused
08:28	<Brianetta>	Mine started fine
08:28	<Brianetta>	I think it found the relevant old versions around the place
08:28	<peter_>	if you try to load a game, it then unpauses it instead of (keeping it) paused
08:28	<Gonozal_VIII>	why is that a bug? sounds like a feature
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08:29	<peter_>	$1 = (const SpriteGroup *) 0x1d
08:29	<peter_>	not a good pointer value...
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08:32	<Wolf01>	hello
08:34	<peter_>	(gdb) print set
08:34	<peter_>	$13 = 5
08:34	<peter_>	(gdb) print totalsets
08:34	<peter_>	$14 = 4
08:34	<peter_>	pom te pom?
08:35	<peter_>	gdb) print v->cargo.Count()
08:35	<peter_>	$15 = 50
08:35	<peter_>	(gdb) print v->cargo_cap
08:35	<peter_>	$16 = 25
08:35	<peter_>	hmmz indeed
08:36	<peter_>	i guess some callback was implemented
08:36	<peter_>	or that might be cos my grfs are different... heh
08:37	<peter_>	it's a segfault at the right place though
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08:40	<Brianetta>	(:
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08:40	<Brianetta>	I found a bug (:
08:40	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11756 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Fix: Out of bounds access caused if a vehicle's cargo amount was higher than its capacity when resolving sprite groups.
08:41	<peter_>	well that was easy
08:41	<Brianetta>	Best kind.
08:41	<peter_>	assuming it's the same bug, heh
08:41	<Gonozal_VIII>	aaaaah you're peter1138
08:41	<Brianetta>	haha
08:42	<peter_>	do you still have the zip of the grfs (assuming it's the same ones) ?
08:42	<peter_>	Gonozal_VIII, er, yeah
08:42	<Brianetta>	peter_: Not so much The Zip as a damned huge folder with loads of grfs in
08:43	<Gonozal_VIII>	i thought you were a random new peter^^
08:43	<Brianetta>	including subfolders containing earlier versions
08:43	<peter_>	hmm, i have a 24MB folder of grfs
08:43	<peter_>	4MB of pikka's stuff
08:49	<peter_>	well i guess you can just try the latest revision
08:50	<peter_>	also
08:50	<peter_>	i need a non-debug build to run this map
08:50	<peter_>	even on my 5600+...
08:50	<peter_>	(silly dualcore obsession)
08:52	<peter_>	heh, white has stuck trains due to an inability to use presignals properly
08:57	<Brianetta>	(:
08:57	<Brianetta>	I was brown
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08:57	<hylje>	no more brown?
08:57	<Wolf01>	[14:42:00][14:42:00] <Gonozal_VIII> aaaaah you're peter1138 <- he is disguised to hide from me, but don't tell him i know his deceit :P
08:58	<hylje>	that's fairly meta, you know
08:59	<Wolf01>	[14:57:21][14:57:21] <Brianetta> I was brown <- eeek Michael Jackson
08:59	<SmatZ>	hello
08:59	<Wolf01>	hi SmatZ
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09:00	<SmatZ>	hello Wolf01
09:00	<peter_>	damn it
09:00	<peter_>	i should've got Brianetta to post it to flyspray
09:00	<peter_>	would look better in the bugs-fixed stats ;)
09:00	<Gonozal_VIII>	^^
09:01	<Brianetta>	I never managed to get a flyspray account working.
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09:01	<Gonozal_VIII>	tokai is a glx clone?
09:02	<Wolf01>	no
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09:02	<Gonozal_VIII>	tokai is a german glx clone?
09:02	<Digitalfox_>	lol
09:03	<Wolf01>	coincidence
09:03	<+glx>	stop that now
09:03	[~]	Gonozal_VIII stops that now
09:05	<+tokai>	'zup?
09:06	<Gonozal_VIII>	not much, not much
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09:06	<peter_>	hmmmm
09:07	<peter_>	"Please read the following license agreement carefully."
09:07	<peter_>	"I accept the terms in the license agreement ... ..."
09:07	<peter_>	useful :p
09:07	<Gonozal_VIII>	hehe
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09:07	<Gonozal_VIII>	it's written in white fonts size 0
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09:12	<pavel1269>	hi
09:13	<Gonozal_VIII>	hi
09:13	<Wolf01>	hi
09:23	<peter_>	hi
09:28	<SmatZ>	hi
09:28	<Brianetta>	hi
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09:49	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	<Gonozal_VIII> you have that in singleplayer <- that was a user patch, it is not in trunk
09:50	<Gonozal_VIII>	i realised that some time later
09:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	although i don't really know the reason why it isn't
09:50	<pavel1269>	!loga
09:50	<pavel1269>	!logs
09:50	<SpComb>	Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
09:51	<Gonozal_VIII>	i don't like to buy land in singleplayer because it looks ugly
09:51	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Gonozal_VIII: you are kinda slow in realising things, could that be? ;)
09:52	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yeah, buying land should only mark it, not clear it immediately
09:52	<Gonozal_VIII>	yes, but i make up for that with my ability to forget anything important fast
09:54	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	ok, then it's all right ;)
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10:11	<Gonozal_VIII>	what's the trick with action 4?
10:14	<Gonozal_VIII>	bah... tired.. sleeping... night
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10:20	<+glx>	Gonozal_VIII: what do you mean?
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10:36	<dih>	!seen Bjarni
10:36	<dih>	@seen Bjarni
10:36	<@DorpsGek>	dih: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Eddi\|zuHause2: actually I was thinking about human beings
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10:39	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r11757 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf.h):
10:39	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Fix(r11727): Don't use a function's default parameter when the value can be (more adequately, even better) computed from another source.
10:39	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: Thanks peter1138.
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10:43	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	how many of my "default value" issues is that going to fix?
10:44	<@Belugas>	only ine, the one i introduced
10:44	<@Belugas>	"my" ?
10:44	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	well... i have had a few newgrf issues, which i believe they are of "default value" nature
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10:47	<@Belugas>	could you explain a little more, i'm totally lost...
10:48	<peter_>	bugs of the unreported variety, maybe?
10:49	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	most have been resolved, i believe
10:49	<@Belugas>	most? which ones are remaining?
10:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	e.g. BR 01 wagon override set loading speed to 0 was resolved
10:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	ore does not count as freight in DBSetXL/Alpine, that was not resolved, afaik
10:51	<@Belugas>	does it count as freigh in ttdp?
10:51	<@Belugas>	can you re-check in ottd?
10:51	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i think i tested it, and it did in ttdp
10:53	<@Belugas>	you mean "Bulk freight (Coal,Grain etc.,Ore,Fruit)" ? as in Cargo Classes, prop 28,29?
10:53	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	as in, the freight multiplier does not apply
10:56	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i rechecked TTDP, it works there
10:56	<@Belugas>	fun... i do not know what property/action to check... none seems to refer toyour wording :(
10:57	<@Belugas>	unless it's a callback or something alike
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10:59	<@Belugas>	ha... there is a patch option... ok...
10:59	<@Belugas>	that's a start
11:00	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	in openttd, it works correctly in temperate, but not in alpine (arctic)
11:00	<@Belugas>	and it's linked to the cargo...
11:00	<peter_>	,...,...,...case 0x15: /* Freight status */
11:00	<peter_>	,...,...,...,...cs->is_freight = (grf_load_byte(&buf) != 0);
11:00	<peter_>	,...,...,...,...break;
11:01	<peter_>	check for that property, heh
11:01	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	so i would assume it to be somewhere in the newindustries part of alpine grf
11:01	<peter_>	although alpine is probably pre-freight status
11:01	<@Belugas>	newgrf.cpp:1645, yes
11:02	<@Belugas>	my impression is that there is a problem with cargo loading in arctic. would not be the first time...
11:03	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i am pretty sure i mentioned that together with the loading speed problem back then
11:03	<@Belugas>	vehicle.cpp:2580 and train_cmd.cpp:62
11:03	<@Belugas>	gaaaaaah....
11:04	<@Belugas>	vehicle.cpp is meaningless to the problem, i think
11:05	<peter_>	the grf doesn't set freight status
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11:07	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yeah, so it magically fetches a default value in ttdp so it works?
11:07	<@Belugas>	undocumented feature?
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11:14	<peter_>	ah, i think i can guess
11:15	<dih>	http://wrecks.justsickshit.com/wp-content/gallery/crazy-car-crashes/plane-crash-pic-military-aircraft-accident.jpg
11:15	<peter_>	the grf should really set the parameter though
11:15	<dih>	planes landing on rv's could be a funny idea :-P
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11:39	<chb>	hi
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11:50	<peter_>	Eddi\|zuHause3, do you compile?
11:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yes?
11:52	<chb>	I've got a question about gameplay - when do oil rigs appear ... is this set to a specific year or does it depend on water level?
11:53	<peter_>	does alpine add any vehicles to use the new cargos?
11:53	<peter_>	chb, it's a fixed year
11:53	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	hm, i never played alpine with default vehicles...
11:53	<chb>	peter_» i see .. when? ;-)
11:54	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i assume it enables the temperate vehicles in arctic
11:54	<peter_>	- 0 tonnes of iron ore (40 tonnes) (x4)
11:54	<peter_>	seems good
11:54	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	except for the - ;)
11:55	<peter_>	it was the total list
11:55	<peter_>	:p
11:56	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yeah, but that - is still odd... passengers don't have it
11:56	<peter_>	yeah they do
11:57	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	then it is missing in the german string?
11:57	<peter_>	possibly so
11:57	<peter_>	i guess it's in the string with (x...)
11:57	<peter_>	but not the other one
11:58	<@Belugas>	chb: after 1960
11:58	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	STR_013F_TOTAL_CAPACITY :{LTBLUE}{CARGO} ({SHORTCARGO})
11:58	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	STR_TOTAL_CAPACITY_MULT :{LTBLUE}- {CARGO} ({SHORTCARGO}) (x{NUM})
11:58	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	there's not even anything to translate in there...
11:59	<chb>	Belugas» thanks ..
12:01	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	how does one report translation errors?
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12:04	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	anyway, i think the - is bad, because it looks like a negative number
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12:26	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11758 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.cpp table/cargo_const.h):
12:26	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Fix(ette): Populate 'void' cargo slots (unused slots in temperate and arctic)
12:26	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: with default data as per pre-newcargo support. These slots are still disabled by
12:26	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: default, but some NewGRFs (erroneously?) expect the default data.
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12:31	<peter_>	god the bodges we have to do :p
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12:38	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	\o/
12:38	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	"fixette" :p
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13:03	<LA[lord]>	hay
13:07	<pavel1269>	hi
13:09	<LA[lord]>	so...what's been up here lately...I just discovered that tt-forums have built-in IRC client, so I can chat :D
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13:18	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11759 /trunk/src/ (clear_cmd.cpp gui.h main_gui.cpp terraform_gui.cpp): -Feature: Add drag-n-drop support to the raise/lower land tools. Land is raised/lowered at the start and the rest of the area levelled to match. Patch by Roujin.
13:21	<UnderBuilder>	yay :D
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13:21	<dih>	a commit by peter?
13:21	<dih>	well _hello_ there
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13:22	<peter__>	right
13:22	<peter__>	that's our user-supplied patch of the year...
13:23	<LA[lord]>	hmm...of this year?
13:23	<dih>	LOL
13:24	<peter__>	an in-joke ;)
13:24	<LA[lord]>	peter, you were faster than me in replying..:(
13:24	<LA[lord]>	although both are 20:22
13:25	<peter__>	hmm?
13:25	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	your clock is wrong
13:25	<LA[lord]>	no
13:25	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yes
13:25	<@Belugas>	60 seconds in a minute.... lots can be done :)
13:25	<LA[lord]>	how wrong is it now?
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13:25	<LA[lord]>	currently it's 20:25 here
13:26	<peter__>	see
13:26	<@Belugas>	13:31 in here
13:26	<peter__>	it's two hours out
13:26	<peter__>	18:26 mine says
13:26	<LA[lord]>	mine is 20:26 now too :D
13:26	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and mine is 19:26
13:26	<Wolf01>	19.26 :)
13:26	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	must be a conspiracy
13:26	[~]	LA[lord] laughs at belugas' clock
13:27	<peter__>	do we have anyone on any of those crazy 15/30/45 zones?
13:27	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Belugas: are you always 5 minutes off?
13:27	<@Belugas>	always
13:27	<@Belugas>	dunno why
13:27	<LA[lord]>	it's his personal timezone
13:27	<peter__>	Eddi\|zuHause3, he gets to go home five minute early :)
13:27	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	oh, right ;)
13:27	<@Belugas>	hehe
13:28	<LA[lord]>	think of it, Belugas is only person in the whole world who has his personal time-zone :D weee
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13:28	<@Belugas>	i did not kicked him, i swear!
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13:29	<LA[lord]>	hmm...back button is wrong one :P
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13:29	<LA[lord]>	it disconnects :(
13:30	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	only when you use silly clients...
13:31	<LA[lord]>	yes like the tt-forums integrated chat room
13:31	<LA[lord]>	because this laptop isn't mine and I don't want to install any software here
13:31	<peter__>	telnet exists :D
13:32	<pavel1269>	19:26 <Belugas> 13:31 in here ......... personal timezone ......... :D
13:32	<LA[lord]>	hmmm...anyway, one post by Roujin some time ago gave me this thought/question..What was the last feature you implemented based on a post in OpenTTD Suggestions?
13:33	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	we do not read openttd suggestion thread ;)
13:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	ore wagons work great now, btw ;)
13:34	<LA[lord]>	""Unfortunately I have the impression that the suggestions forum is just there to give the normal players the feeling that someone listens to their ideas - and not really a base for devs and patch devs to look for ideas.""
13:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	now i have only one issue left
13:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	or two
13:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	or five
13:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	or ...
13:35	<LA[lord]>	so to say, lot's of issues
13:35	<peter__>	Eddi\|zuHause3, bugs.openttd.org next time :p
13:37	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	peter__: i knew i mentioned it: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1325
13:38	<peter__>	that's not the iron ore/freight trains one
13:39	<peter__>	well, it's mentioned, but unrelated, heh
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13:40	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	well, if you insist, i will put a feature request for PBS on there ;)
13:41	<peter__>	haha
13:41	<peter__>	Major opcode of failed request: 135 (XFree86-VidModeExtension)
13:41	<peter__>	Minor opcode of failed request: 10 (XF86VidModeSwitchToMode)
13:41	<peter__>	BAH
13:41	<peter__>	making ottd switch from fullscreen to windowed failing :(
13:42	<peter__>	wondering what's wrong with this laptop
13:42	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i never play full screen...
13:42	<peter__>	it works perfectly well on my desktop
13:42	<peter__>	same os...
13:43	<@Belugas>	not same hardware capability :)
13:44	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	passenger wagons are way too short...
13:44	<@Belugas>	ChangeDisplaySettings (in Win32) needs better param values, i think
13:44	<pavel1269>	hmm i play always full screen when not testing
13:45	<LA[lord]>	I don't
13:45	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i always play maximised window
13:45	<peter__>	i'm on linux
13:45	<LA[lord]>	I hava 'always' lot's of things opened in taskbar
13:46	<pavel1269>	but i have one mouse so i can control only one thing :P
13:47	<LA[lord]>	so full-screen is a nono...Gotta pack three mice and four rats next time pavel :)
13:47	<@Belugas>	linux? well... obviously not a win32 problem :)
13:47	<pavel1269>	lol
13:49	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	"XFree86" usually does not point to windows ;)
13:50	<pavel1269>	somehow is v->max_speed changing ... where is then stored max train speed?
13:52	<@Belugas>	in the vehicle specs
13:53	<pavel1269>	hmmmm .... v->u.rail.cached_max_speed?
13:53	<pavel1269>	is train max speed all time there?
13:53	<pavel1269>	or it's changing too?
13:55	<@Belugas>	have you checked in table\engines.h:366 ?
13:55	<@Belugas>	or you're not talking about the same thing at all...
13:55	<LA[lord]>	hmm...Are betas builded on top of trunk? So in 0.6 stable the Roujin's patch will be in?
13:55	<@Belugas>	yup
13:56	<LA[lord]>	yee
13:56	<LA[lord]>	but RCs don't add features as such so they will be bugfixes of previous RCs?
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13:59	<@Belugas>	betas are not RCs
13:59	<LA[lord]>	I know
13:59	<peter__>	betas are pre-branch
13:59	<peter__>	RCs are post-branch
14:00	<@Belugas>	when we'll release 0.6 rcs, they will follow the same pattern as other RCs
14:00	<peter__>	for us, anyway :)
14:00	<peter__>	i'm not quite sure of the point of those betas, heh
14:00	<peter__>	possibly to get more testing of new feature
14:00	<peter__>	+s
14:00	<peter__>	(duh, that's the point of a beta)
14:01	<LA[lord]>	maybe a unified point revision for multi
14:01	<pavel1269>	Belugas: yes about this ... :/
14:01	<pavel1269>	i hope :D
14:02	<@Belugas>	what i've shown yu are the default datas.
14:02	<Rubidium>	the ideas of betas is to get lots of extra tester that would otherwise use RCs. The advantage of this is that we do not have to backport fixes made between betas whereas we have to do that for RCs
14:03	<Rubidium>	i.e. less work for us, meaning we can effectively do more
14:03	<pavel1269>	Belugas: but ... they must be stored in Vehicle or not? or the original value is taken from there??
14:03	<@Belugas>	taken from there
14:04	<@Belugas>	or supplied by grf files
14:04	<pavel1269>	so i get it by engine id ...
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14:04	<pavel1269>	i will search a bit in source, ty
14:05	<@Belugas>	engines.h might help yu
14:06	<pavel1269>	no :)
14:06	<pavel1269>	v->u.rail.cached_max_speed ...
14:06	<pavel1269>	is what i wanted ;)
14:06	<pavel1269>	it doesn't changed like max_speed did
14:23	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	there peter__ ... like that?
14:24	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	hm, i should have removed some irrelevant grfs...
14:29	<peter__>	yeah
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14:29	<peter__>	i knew about that bug
14:29	<peter__>	of course, i always forgot about it, heh
14:30	<peter__>	hi Roujin
14:30	<Roujin>	hello
14:30	<Roujin>	thanks for including my patch :)
14:30	<Roujin>	nice surprise ^^
14:30	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yeah, i also knew about it, and i also forgot about it every time ;)
14:31	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	but now it's on flyspray, there's no excuse anymore ;)
14:31	<peter__>	Roujin, no problem ;)
14:31	<peter__>	Eddi\|zuHause3, yeah, thanks, heh
14:31	<peter__>	i know why it happens too
14:31	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i assume it's in the gradual loading handler
14:31	<peter__>	yeah
14:31	<Roujin>	what bug are you talking about?
14:32	<peter__>	gradual loading sends the "you've got new cargo" event, rightly, and the grf triggers change the whole lot :o
14:32	<peter__>	Roujin, and old newgrf one
14:32	<peter__>	-d
14:33	<Roujin>	oh ok, thought it was about something else when eddi mentioned gradual loading..
14:33	<Roujin>	so nvm..
14:38	<Roujin>	sooo.. reason why i actually bumped my area terraform patch is because i started working on a new patch
14:39	<Roujin>	but i cant figure something out :/
14:41	<peter__>	i think that was probably the first patch i haven't tweaked at all, heh
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14:45	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: smatz * r11760 /trunk/src/ (6 files):
14:45	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: unify the way how other end of a tunnel/bridge is determined at some places
14:45	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Fix: adding road/tram to tram/road bridge was cheaper by one tile
14:46	<hylje>	ooh, exploit fix!
14:47	<hylje>	(not really an e