TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2008:01:02

---	Log	opened Wed Jan 02 00:00:47 2008
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00:20	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	the night train is coming
00:21	<Gonozal_VIII>	:D
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00:26	<murray>	toot toot
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01:04	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmmm
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01:38	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmmmm
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01:43	<Gonozal_VIII>	you know what really sucks?
01:43	<Gonozal_VIII>	vacuum cleaners
01:43	<Gonozal_VIII>	<-- bored
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01:59	<egladil>	Sacro: did you highlight me just for fun or did you want something? :p
02:00	<Gonozal_VIII>	that was 5h ago...
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02:03	<egladil>	well i was asleep
02:03	<Gonozal_VIII>	why would you do that?
02:03	<egladil>	because it's a good way to spend your time ;)
02:04	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmmm you may have a point there
02:04	<egladil>	of course i have
02:05	<egladil>	:)
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02:19	<peter__>	!logs
02:19	<SpComb>	Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
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03:11	<Gonozal_VIII>	23
03:13	<peter__>	24
03:13	<Gonozal_VIII>	:-)
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03:43	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmmm time to get some sleep
03:44	<Gonozal_VIII>	night all
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04:03	<nairan>	mornin
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04:06	<pavel1269>	hi
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04:25	<dihedral>	hi
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05:11	<peter_>	hey hey
05:19	<dihedral>	'allo
05:22	<peter_>	hey
05:22	<peter_>	i have a dual core machine
05:22	<peter_>	how is openttd using all of both cores?
05:24	<TheMask97>	peter_: answer is probably: not :)
05:24	<peter_>	PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
05:24	<peter_>	4139 petern 16 0 56328 10m 5768 R 149 0.5 1:16.10 openttd
05:24	<peter_>	149%
05:24	<peter_>	the rest is being used by X
05:24	<peter_>	4139 petern 16 0 56328 10m 5768 R 171 0.5 1:43.16 openttd
05:24	<peter_>	9150 root 15 0 79660 61m 15m S 25 3.0 17:41.10 Xorg
05:25	<peter_>	for example
05:25	<TheMask97>	so much cpu %? how is that possible?
05:25	<peter_>	wait
05:25	<peter_>	hmm
05:25	<peter_>	thought it might be the autosave thread
05:25	<peter_>	but it's not
05:29	<dihedral>	autosave runs in a separate thread?
05:30	<peter_>	yes
05:30	<peter_>	ah ha
05:30	<peter_>	if i turn off the sound driver it only uses 1 cpu
05:30	<dihedral>	i thought autosave was run in the same thread and doCommands were queued in that time
05:30	<peter_>	er, no
05:31	<dihedral>	sure?
05:31	<peter_>	yes
05:31	[~]	dihedral is at work so he cannot check for himself... :-(
05:31	<peter_>	autosave saves the game into memory (quick) and then spawns a thread to compress and save it to disk (slow)
05:32	<dihedral>	ok - that makes sense
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06:31	<dihedral>	!seen Bjarni
06:31	<dihedral>	@seen Bjarni
06:31	<@DorpsGek>	dihedral: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Eddi\|zuHause2: actually I was thinking about human beings
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06:39	<peter_>	ah ha, export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse works well
06:41	<blathijs>	incidentally, I've been toying around with pulseaudio for the past weeks as well
06:42	<blathijs>	in particular getting it to compile in embedded gentoo against uclibc :-)
06:42	<peter_>	er, ok :p
06:42	<peter_>	i just lazily use binary packages ;)
06:43	<peter_>	well, now i can mute ottd's audio without muting everything else
06:43	<peter_>	which is nice
06:44	<peter_>	hmm, or set the volume to 0% and it remembers it next time. handy.
06:44	<blathijs>	I tried that, but I only have 100M of storage :-)
06:44	<peter_>	ouch
06:44	<peter_>	but flash is so cheap these days...
06:45	<blathijs>	Hmm, setting volume per audio stream, didn't think of that yet :-)
06:45	<dihedral>	blathijs: what kind of hardware are you using? and how much space in total on which type of medium do you have?
06:45	<blathijs>	Yeah, I'm doing my testing on a 512M (or is it 1G?) USB stick that I plug in the back
06:46	<dihedral>	your computer?
06:46	<blathijs>	But I want to put the end result in the device's DiskOnChip (100M internal flash device)
06:46	<blathijs>	dihedral: It's an old thin client
06:46	<dihedral>	nice
06:46	<blathijs>	dihedral: 400Mhz K6-II IIRC
06:46	<dihedral>	ouch
06:46	<blathijs>	With no moving parts :-)
06:46	<dihedral>	there are nicer things than that
06:46	<blathijs>	Yeah, but this one was free
06:46	<dihedral>	i.e. VIA 1GHz
06:46	<Gonozal_VIII>	400 mhz is much for openttd
06:47	<dihedral>	yes - but not for it's trains :-)
06:47	<Gonozal_VIII>	ok, maybe not for open... but for ttd
06:47	<blathijs>	But I'm not intending to run openttd on it, really
06:47	<Gonozal_VIII>	played it a lot with 166 mhz
06:47	<dihedral>	shame
06:47	<blathijs>	Might be fun to get Xorg to fit, though :-)
06:48	<blathijs>	But I have no screen to attach to it and it has no tv out
06:48	<dihedral>	i used to play ttd on a 486 dx2 90
06:48	<dihedral>	or was it dx4?
06:48	<blathijs>	I want to put it in the living room here so I can stream audio over the network to the living room stereo
06:48	<dihedral>	blathijs: have a look at the neo systems :-)
06:49	<Gonozal_VIII>	why don't you attach the stereo directly to your pc?
06:49	[~]	Rubidium_ had a dx four hundred ('sounds' soo much better when written that way)
06:50	<dihedral>	lol
06:50	<dihedral>	that is cheating :-)
06:51	<Gonozal_VIII>	why am i not sleeping?
06:51	<Gonozal_VIII>	night again...
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06:53	<Rubidium_>	dihedral: it would be cheating if I would've written dx400 ;)
06:53	<dihedral>	:-P
06:54	<dihedral>	blathijs: http://www.lex.com.tw/index1.php
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06:55	<peter_>	"dx four one hundred" is normal english
06:57	<blathijs>	Gonozal_VIII: Because my PC is not in the living room :-)
06:57	<blathijs>	Gonozal_VIII: And also because I only use a laptop, so I don't want to plug in yet another cable
06:58	<peter_>	bah, flightgear hits the sndrv_pcm_hw_params bug :(
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06:59	<peter_>	i found streaming with pulseaudio was very choppy :(
07:00	<blathijs>	dihedral: I should really use something ARM based for this, I guess, but that's more work :-)
07:00	<peter_>	but that could've been the wifi or the cisco 7940's passthrough ethernet port
07:01	<blathijs>	Dunno, haven't tried it with wifi yet
07:01	<blathijs>	Directly over ethernet worked fine for me
07:02	<peter_>	daap was fine over both but that's not realtime
07:02	<blathijs>	daap?
07:03	<peter_>	itunes style sharing
07:03	<blathijs>	Ah, airport express thingy
07:03	<peter_>	that supports it also
07:05	<peter_>	oh crap
07:05	<peter_>	along with a payrise, and paying of a loan
07:05	<peter_>	i'm going to be
07:05	<peter_>	£666 better off
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07:09	<blathijs>	That's more than I make a month :-)
07:12	<peter_>	:o
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07:42	<UnderBuilder>	is possible to make a rct-like game by forking openttd?
07:43	<peter_>	probably
07:43	<peter_>	a lot of work though
07:44	<peter_>	might well be better off starting from scratch
07:44	<hylje>	you'd need a new map
07:44	<hylje>	because one can't fit that stuff on the current map array
07:45	<hylje>	so why doesn't one make a more freeform map and then fork? :-)
07:46	<peter_>	well there is that, heh
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07:51	<UnderBuilder>	I like rct, but what I kind of dislike is that it is objective based
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07:53	<UnderBuilder>	you play a fixed map and when the objective is done, you go to next level
07:53	<hylje>	:o
07:53	<UnderBuilder>	a random map generator with a 'play until filled' gameplay will rock
07:54	<peter_>	it has a sandbox mode though, doesn't it?
07:54	<UnderBuilder>	I hadn't saw it
07:55	<UnderBuilder>	I have the first one (not the expansion, the first first)
07:58	<peter_>	i never played it much
07:58	<peter_>	like locomotion the build system is annoying
07:59	<hylje>	./configure && make
08:01	<UnderBuilder>	yes, but it has got a powerful flexibility
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08:23	<roboman>	gnight
08:26	<Digitalfox_>	roboman: From what country are you?
08:26	<Digitalfox_>	00:25? Australia or something?
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08:27	<roboman>	yep
08:29	<Digitalfox_>	Your like the fist country to celebrate new year?
08:30	<roboman>	yep
08:30	<peter_>	you're
08:30	<roboman>	New Zealand is before us
08:31	<Digitalfox_>	New Zealand is the first country in the planet to celebrate new year?
08:31	<Noldo>	there are some small islands before that
08:31	<Digitalfox_>	oh, ok..
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10:08	<UnderBuilder>	LordAzamath: there is a trouble with the road depot replacement grf
10:09	<LordAzamath>	yes?
10:09	<LordAzamath>	what kind of trouble
10:10	<UnderBuilder>	it has the same grfid that the ship depot
10:10	<LordAzamath>	haha
10:11	<LordAzamath>	Funny thing is that I only drew it
10:12	<LordAzamath>	and gave five lines of code
10:12	<LordAzamath>	I had no idea they changed grfid :D
10:12	<LordAzamath>	I suggest to wait for Zephyris to include it to infrastructure set
10:13	<LordAzamath>	then there will not be any grfid confusion
10:13	<UnderBuilder>	there is an issue with toyland roads: it is hard to recognise trams in tracks
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10:16	<Hendikins>	Hrm, I need to get myself a USB mouse. Then I can play openttd online at work :p
10:16	<LordAzamath>	have to contact Zephyris in that case...better make a reply to the thread with problems
10:16	<reto>	lol
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10:19	<UnderBuilder>	also, paved roads in toyland look different than outside ones
10:20	<UnderBuilder>	idea for toyland roads: why not make it checked like the terrain?
10:20	<LordAzamath>	btw we haven't made toyland roads yet ;)
10:21	<dihedral>	Belugas: you around by any chance?
10:22	<LordAzamath>	only thing that is done is terrain and deniyng of road depots
10:22	<UnderBuilder>	I said that so before doing them you had an idea of how will you do it
10:22	<LordAzamath>	I resay, make a reply or I'll forget
10:23	<LordAzamath>	but now g2g
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10:24	<UnderBuilder>	instead of electric pylons for elrails / trams there should be some odd replacement to it
10:25	<Arbitrary>	third rail in "not enough pixels" shocker?
10:28	<UnderBuilder>	maybe a post that throws rays to the locomotives?
10:28	<UnderBuilder>	or trams
10:37	[~]	glx is still looking for buildottd, mingw or cygwin users
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12:16	<UnderBuilder>	I should do the fences but my damn xp refuses to load pcx files
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12:21	<+glx>	what are you using to open them?
12:22	<UnderBuilder>	I have no programs installed
12:23	<UnderBuilder>	erm
12:23	<hylje>	:o
12:23	<peter_>	psp will load them
12:23	<UnderBuilder>	xp's viewer should have function to read it
12:24	<peter_>	pcx is rather obsolete
12:24	<Ammller>	UnderBuilder: gimp
12:25	<UnderBuilder>	the latest version for win is outdated
12:25	<hylje>	good luck on making sprites with no software
12:27	<UnderBuilder>	I should use paint to make the fence
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12:36	<Wolf01>	hello
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12:52	<Draakon>	hi
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13:07	<Draakon>	looks like nobody is home
13:08	<hylje>	:o
13:08	<hylje>	really?
13:08	<Draakon>	yes
13:09	<Draakon>	as nobody answerd to my hi
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13:22	<Sacro>	tits or gtfo :p
13:23	<Draakon>	weee, i found the world scenario i was looking for :P
13:24	<pavel1269>	Draakon: hi :o)
13:28	<Wolf01>	we should call you not sacro, but sexro
13:29	<Sacro>	:o
13:29	<Sacro>	bloomin italians :p
13:41	<DeGhost>	you know what i need?
13:41	<DeGhost>	a signal that's always green
13:41	<DeGhost>	:)
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13:42	<Wolf01>	i need a presignal always red instead
13:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: glx * r11744 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Codechange: don't redefine snprintf when using MinGW Runtime 3.14 or superior, as it now have snprintf() and vsnprintf conform to C99
13:44	<UnderBuilder>	I started my own coop server
13:45	<UnderBuilder>	well, pretended to be a coop because nobody joined yet...
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13:50	<pavel1269>	DeGhost: no problem, i am making patch ... Programmable signals ... and one version ... well, signals won't turn red at any chance :))
13:53	<DeGhost>	yea cuz a always green signal i know there is always a free track ahead and i just want em to move forward!!
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13:56	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	what sense does an always green signal have?
13:56	<Wolf01>	crash the trains
13:56	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	it can't be green while a train is passing
13:57	<Wolf01>	in this case... it asserts, or the game crashes directly
13:57	<Sacro>	DeGhost: i've done that
13:57	<Wolf01>	you done all, sacro
13:58	<Sacro>	Wolf01: with what?
13:58	<dih>	http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/02/atari-goes-list-list
13:59	<UnderBuilder>	seems that noone wants to join my server :(
14:00	<hylje>	nyah
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14:03	<dih>	UnderBuilder: how long has been up for?
14:03	<UnderBuilder>	5~10 minutes
14:04	<dih>	then be pacient and stop wining
14:05	<UnderBuilder>	one entered but now leaved
14:05	<hylje>	why did dih forgot how to spell
14:06	<hylje>	forget
14:06	<SmatZ>	ahahah
14:06	<SmatZ>	:)
14:21	<UnderBuilder>	seems that all the players are running out when they join
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14:22	<koexistens>	Hey, I'm just wondering, is there anyone here who is running OS X Leopard? I can't seem to get build r11719 to run.
14:22	<koexistens>	Btw, the latest build doesn't run either.
14:23	<koexistens>	Stable and beta does. :)
14:23	<koexistens>	In system.log:
14:23	<koexistens>	Jan 2 20:06:08 c-6474e455 com.apple.launchd[76] ([0x0-0x12b12b].org.openttd.openttd[2114]): posix_spawnp("/Applications/OpenTTD/OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd", ...): Bad executable (or shared library)
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14:24	<koexistens>	Tried to build r11719 from source also, which failed with linking errors..
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14:29	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Bjarni doesn't seem to be here
14:30	<peter__>	719?
14:31	<peter__>	11744 is the latest revision..
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14:33	<murray>	is the guy who calls himself Maarten here?
14:33	<koexistens>	I need 719 to run the games at #openttdcoop
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14:40	<Sacro>	@seen Maarten
14:40	<@DorpsGek>	Sacro: Maarten was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 52 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Maarten> BiA\|pavel-css: A written test I did about 5 years ago, and about 2 years ago I did one online, but I can't remember where.
14:42	<pavel1269>	19:57 <Wolf01> in this case... it asserts, or the game crashes directly --- no, trains crash ... no assert failed, no game crash
14:42	<pavel1269>	why DorpsGek said my name :/
14:43	<Draakon>	it dint
14:44	<pavel1269>	BiA\|pavel-css --- thats my old nick
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14:44	<Draakon>	oh
14:44	<pavel1269>	ahh, last maarten message
14:45	<pavel1269>	:(
14:45	<pavel1269>	*:)
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14:59	<Wolf01>	!seen leviath*
14:59	<Wolf01>	@seen leviath*
14:59	<@DorpsGek>	Wolf01: leviath* could be Leviathan (2 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 38 seconds ago) or LeviathNL (2 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 58 seconds ago)
14:59	<Wolf01>	:/
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15:16	<Draakon>	question: how can cargo waiting to be processed amount increase without a train unloading coal to a station?
15:16	<Draakon>	i am talking about power station
15:16	<Draakon>	> is it because of a nearby coal mine?
15:16	<Gonozal_VIII>	no
15:16	<Gonozal_VIII>	doesn't take coal from a mine by itself
15:18	<Gonozal_VIII>	are you sure that it increased?
15:18	<Draakon>	yes
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15:19	<Gonozal_VIII>	hmmm did the production increase? that also increases the stockpile size, that could possibly also increase the ammount stored
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15:26	<Draakon>	i am talking about power station here
15:27	<Gonozal_VIII>	i know?
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15:29	<Draakon>	i dont understand then what are you asking
15:30	<Gonozal_VIII>	i think the stockpile size is increased with a multiplier
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15:32	<Draakon>	which means?
15:33	<Gonozal_VIII>	that the multiplier could also increase the ammount stored
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15:38	<Draakon>	k
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15:40	<pavel1269>	bye 4 now
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15:47	<Wolf01>	http://www.dynamicdiscord.com/BrianStuff/Episode_3/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west.html AHAHAH
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15:54	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Wolf01: OOOLD
15:56	<Wolf01>	:\|
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16:00	<Gonozal_VIII>	do not want!
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16:25	<+glx>	koexistens: does r11708 works?
16:25	<koexistens>	Will try, wait!
16:25	<@DorpsGek>	glx: Commit by bjarni :: r11709 trunk/config.lib (2007-12-27 15:05:46 UTC)
16:25	<@DorpsGek>	glx: -Fix [FS#1385 FS#1386]: [OSX] Compiles on Leopard with the default settings
16:25	<@DorpsGek>	glx: -Change: [OSX] configure will no longer enable static by default
16:26	<@DorpsGek>	glx: Turns out that Leopard can't handle static builds without the user installing extra libs
16:26	<@DorpsGek>	glx: The tradeoff is that now people might have to enable static manually if moving the binary around
16:26	<+glx>	because your problem may be related to this commit :)
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16:32	<koexistens>	Compiling now.
16:38	<koexistens>	Same error as before...
16:38	<koexistens>	SRC] Linking openttd
16:38	<koexistens>	ld: warning in /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.dylib, file is not of required architecture
16:38	<koexistens>	Undefined symbols:
16:38	<koexistens>	"___cxa_guard_acquire", referenced from:
16:38	<koexistens>	AiBuildRoadHelper(unsigned int, int, int)in default.o
16:38	<koexistens>	BlitterFactoryBase::GetBlitters() in 32bpp_anim.o
16:38	<koexistens>	BlitterFactoryBase::GetBlitters() in 32bpp_optimized.o
16:38	<koexistens>	BlitterFactoryBase::GetBlitters() in 32bpp_simple.o
16:38	<koexistens>	BlitterFactoryBase::GetBlitters() in 8bpp_debug.o
16:38	<koexistens>	And then the list goes on for pages with missing links...
16:38	<koexistens>	:)
16:39	<+glx>	tried to reconfigure ?
16:39	<koexistens>	I just did the initial configure?
16:39	<koexistens>	Did I miss any arguments?
16:40	<koexistens>	Maybe --disable-static?
16:40	<koexistens>	But as you said, that sould be disabled by default.
16:40	<+glx>	after r11709 they should yes
16:41	<koexistens>	Hmm..
16:41	<koexistens>	This strange link error is not one that I've found in the bug tracker..
16:41	<+glx>	http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1385
16:42	<koexistens>	Ah, I know!
16:42	<koexistens>	It tries to link with my iPod touch dylibs!!
16:42	<koexistens>	Can I get it to not look for libstdc++.dylib in /usr/local/lib first?
16:43	<+glx>	LDFLAGS=/where/to/look ./configure
16:44	<+glx>	well -L/where/to/look :)
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16:44	<koexistens>	Nice, I just have to see where the standard dylib is...
16:45	<+glx>	maybe in /usr/lib
16:45	<koexistens>	:)
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18:11	<UnderBuilder>	I have got a trouble with opengrf set and r11744
18:11	<UnderBuilder>	the coast tiles doesn't get replaced but the water ones yes
18:12	<Gonozal_VIII>	hehe
18:12	<Gonozal_VIII>	known problem, will be fixed soon
18:12	<Rubidium_>	UnderBuilder: no kidding ;)
18:19	<Wolf01>	'night
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18:59	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11745 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Unify the spinner widget drawing of the difficulty settings window and make its disabled state min max aware.
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19:43	<Sacro>	now, shall i start by moving all signalling stuff to signalling.{c,h}
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19:44	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	cpp i'd suggest ;)
19:44	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and rather signal_gui and signal_cmd, like the other stuff
19:46	<Sacro>	Progress on the AnkhSVN project is tracked by the CIA.
19:46	<Sacro>	that sounds quite worrying
19:46	<Sacro>	ooh yes, signal_cmd
19:52	<Sacro>	ooh, svn inbuilt into VS2005
19:52	<Sacro>	how sweet
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19:55	<Sacro>	wtf
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19:59	<Sacro>	who controls the Visual Studio build stuff?
19:59	<Sacro>	I feel there is some stuff needing sorting
19:59	<+glx>	why?
19:59	<Sacro>	glx: why do i need unistd.h?
20:00	<Sacro>	and zlibstat.libz
20:00	<Sacro>	s/z$//
20:01	<Sacro>	hmm, something tells me i need flex :\
20:02	<+glx>	you are not trying to compile openttd
20:02	<Sacro>	am I not?
20:03	<Gonozal_VIII>	http://www.diamantschleiftoepfe.de/images/_bilder/k0501a.jpg <-- that's a flex
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20:03	<Sacro>	glx: yes i am
20:05	<Sacro>	ahhh
20:05	<Sacro>	its not called zlibstat.lib on windwos
20:05	<Sacro>	it should be zlib.lib
20:05	<+glx>	unistd.h is not needed
20:07	<+glx>	and it is zlibstat.lib because you need useful.zip
20:08	<Sacro>	I don't wish to have loose files around
20:08	<Sacro>	can I not use gnuwin32 for it all?
20:08	<+glx>	zlib.lib requires zilb.dll to be present on all machines you want to use your binary
20:12	<Sacro>	hmmmm
20:12	<Sacro>	i don't see this anywhere
20:12	<+glx>	by default zlib is a dynamic library
20:12	<Sacro>	yeah
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20:15	<Sacro>	all i have is zlib1.dll
20:15	<+glx>	that's the official zlib dll
20:16	<Sacro>	yeah
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