TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2008:01:01

---	Log	opened Tue Jan 01 00:00:14 2008
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02:43	<Gonozal_VIII>	ms paint sucks, can't even select a single line of pixels there
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03:57	<Wolf01>	hello
04:00	<Gonozal_VIII>	hi
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04:23	<pavel1269>	hi
04:25	<Gonozal_VIII>	hi
04:25	<Gonozal_VIII>	i thought you were going to sleep
04:26	<Gonozal_VIII>	oh... that was 9h ago... kk
04:27	<pavel1269>	lol :D
04:35	<peter__>	heh
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04:54	<Gonozal_VIII>	my eyes hurt
04:54	<Gonozal_VIII>	should sleep..
04:55	<pavel1269>	Gonozal_VIII: good night then
04:57	<Gonozal_VIII>	but... they'll wake me up at 12... they'll want to feed me
04:58	<Gonozal_VIII>	with food...
04:58	<pavel1269>	so you have ione hour ,)
04:59	<Gonozal_VIII>	i'll just close my laptop then... and the pictures will be gone... then i sleep
05:00	<Gonozal_VIII>	until they feed me
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05:06	<Wolf01>	http://www.theinternetnowinhandybookform.com/PornForGirlsByGirls/ AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHROTFL
05:08	<pavel1269>	O_o
05:10	<guru3>	Happy new year!
05:11	<Wolf01>	to you too
05:11	<pavel1269>	guru3: same to you
05:12	<guru3>	Cheers for that, and to all! Some new year cheer as well!
05:14	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	new cheer? gret :)
05:14	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	*great
05:17	<peter__>	Wolf01, lol
05:18	<Wolf01>	http://static.mmoabc.com/my/P/u/n/ch/2007/12/13//1197585576235.gif this is nice too
05:21	<peter__>	wth
05:21	<peter__>	my browser downloaded it instead of displaying it
05:22	<pavel1269>	same here ...
05:23	<Wolf01>	here too
05:26	<peter__>	bah we need bendy bridges and tunnels
05:26	<pavel1269>	bendy?
05:26	<pavel1269>	diagonal? :P
05:26	<Wolf01>	L shaped
05:27	<pavel1269>	still dont know ^^
05:27	<peter__>	bendy
05:27	<Wolf01>	( shaped
05:27	<peter__>	freeform
05:27	<peter__>	like locomotion but better cos it's not locomotion
05:28	<Wolf01>	F shaped.. uh, there's something wrong
05:28	<peter__>	possible :p
05:28	<peter__>	when do oil rigs appear?
05:28	<Wolf01>	what about no tunnels at all, but the ability to build the rail underground directly?
05:28	<Wolf01>	when is too late to build a route from oil rig to refinery
05:29	<pavel1269>	:D
05:34	<peter__>	basically yeah
05:35	<Wolf01>	uhmm, i don't like some things about ECS industries, and maybe the newindustries in general, but the worse thing is that when i need to rebuild a disappeared industry i can't because it is always too near to another industry...
05:37	<Wolf01>	i had to fund 3 oil rigs in the middle of a gulf, and connect them with a pipe-styled rail station and a dock... luckily i have too much money so this big and expensive work was not noticed by my finances :P
05:38	<pavel1269>	sun is shinying on me :(
05:38	<Wolf01>	death is breathing on my neck
05:39	<Wolf01>	oh wait, is only the opened window
05:39	<peter__>	well nothing forces you to use new industries ;p
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05:40	<Wolf01>	they are very good, but i'm too used to the standard behaviour of the industries
05:40	<Wolf01>	like multiple near industries or multiple same industries per town
05:45	<Wolf01>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF2ZPRmocs4 <- :OOO (is a train, don't kick me)
05:49	<valhallasw>	Took a total of 6 units to get unstuck. <-- wtf.
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05:55	<peter__>	nice
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06:00	<Wolf01>	http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/brightness.png nice, the 2 greens are the same colour
06:01	<peter__>	doesn't work
06:01	<peter__>	it's too obvious
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07:11	<roboboy>	hello
07:13	<pavel1269>	hi
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07:25	<pavel1269>	question :) OpenTTD is "Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe" or "Open Transport Tycoon" ? :)
07:27	<ln->	neither.
07:27	<ln->	it is OpenTTD.
07:27	<pavel1269>	so TTD means nothing? ^^
07:27	<pavel1269>	in OpenTTD
07:28	<ln->	correct.
07:28	<pavel1269>	so if anyone is talking about Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe, so he's talking about other game? ^^
07:29	<ln->	definitely.
07:29	<pavel1269>	thanks
07:29	<ln->	though you never know what people are really talking about.
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07:51	<LordAzamath>	hey
07:51	<roboboy>	hello
07:51	<pavel1269>	hi
07:52	<LordAzamath>	Happy New Year everyone
07:52	<pavel1269>	to you tu
07:52	<pavel1269>	*to you too
07:52	<ln->	year 19108
07:53	<pavel1269>	? :)
07:53	<pavel1269>	from china? :P
07:53	<LordAzamath>	1900 + 108
07:53	<ln->	rather, "19" + years since 1900
07:53	<Wolf01>	happy new 7D8 :D
07:54	<pavel1269>	:D
07:54	<Wolf01>	uhm, in octal seem more futuristic: 3730
07:54	<LordAzamath>	put it into little endian :D D8 07
07:55	<Wolf01>	:D
07:55	<pavel1269>	:D:D
07:55	<LordAzamath>	111 1101 1000
07:55	<pavel1269>	0111 :)
07:56	<LordAzamath>	111 1101 0111 ended yesterday
07:56	<LordAzamath>	now the ending is 1000
07:57	<Wolf01>	we should wait 'til 2047, the 2048 is 1000 0000 0000, like the r10000 of OTTD :D
07:58	<pavel1269>	:o)
07:59	<LordAzamath>	or OpenTTD 1.0.0.0.0 which is released 2048 :D
07:59	<pavel1269>	let's see :)
08:00	<LordAzamath>	anyway for anyone interested..MORE alien blood
08:00	<LordAzamath>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=652213#p652213
08:01	<Wolf01>	nice depots, but they need more company colour :P
08:02	<Wolf01>	can you make something like a writing or a logo on the sides of the depot?
08:03	<hylje>	that depot stuff makes me want to make a large depot feature
08:03	<Wolf01>	nobody stops you :D
08:03	<hylje>	but my mad skillz
08:04	<LordAzamath>	it's full tile, so you can attach them
08:04	<hylje>	i could of course start with a comprehensive design
08:04	<LordAzamath>	I have no idea where to put more cc
08:04	<hylje>	hm?
08:04	<LordAzamath>	the original depot didn't have it at all
08:04	<Wolf01>	LordAzamath, a company logo in the walls?
08:05	<LordAzamath>	yes, but all companies would have same logo :D
08:05	<Wolf01>	doesn't bother for me :P
08:05	<pavel1269>	but ther colors
08:05	<roboboy>	can depots have 2cc?
08:05	<LordAzamath>	and it has to blend in somehow...
08:06	<LordAzamath>	I guess they can...
08:06	<roboboy>	maybe a 2band stripe at half hight
08:06	<roboboy>	one in 1cc and the other in 2cc
08:08	<roboboy>	gnite
08:10	<LordAzamath>	good night
08:11	<LordAzamath>	hmm to have 2 cc I need to hassle with nfo code...
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08:48	<pavel1269>	can anyone help me with minimalizing something? :)
08:50	<pavel1269>	((((((a^b)\|(b^c))^(a&c))&((a^b)\|(b^c)))&(a\|b))&(((a&b)^c)\|b))
08:50	<hylje>	...
08:51	<pavel1269>	i can give you table if you want :/
08:51	<Wolf01>	better
08:52	<pavel1269>	0 and 0 and 0 = 0
08:52	<pavel1269>	0 and 0 and 1 = 0
08:52	<pavel1269>	0 and 1 and 0 = 1
08:52	<pavel1269>	0 and 1 and 1 = 1
08:52	<pavel1269>	1 and 0 and 0 = 0
08:52	<pavel1269>	1 and 0 and 1 = 0
08:52	<pavel1269>	1 and 1 and 0 = 1
08:52	<pavel1269>	1 and 1 and 1 = 0
08:52	<pavel1269>	just with use of ^,&,\| :)
08:57	<Progman>	looks like (~a&b)\|(a&b&~c)
08:57	<pavel1269>	~ :/
08:57	<pavel1269>	gonna try what it will do i am not sure
08:57	<pavel1269>	..
09:00	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11732 /trunk/src/ (rail.h railtypes.h train_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r4150): elrail merge gave elrail, monorail & maglev unintended speed bonuses for curves, as the bonus was based on the railtype index. The bonus is now specified by a property of the railtype.
09:01	<pavel1269>	byte a = 00000010
09:01	<Progman>	pavel1269: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/13194
09:02	<pavel1269>	~a = 000000"-1-1"
09:02	<pavel1269>	because ~a = -3
09:02	<pavel1269>	:)
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09:02	<Progman>	-1-1?
09:02	<Progman>	a bit can be either 0 or 1, but not -1 ;)
09:02	<pavel1269>	i know, but how can i get -3?
09:03	<Progman>	11111101
09:03	<pavel1269>	thats not -3 :D
09:03	<Progman>	it is
09:03	<pavel1269>	253
09:04	<Progman>	depend on the size and if signed or unsigned
09:04	<pavel1269>	and "byte" in ottd is signed? :)
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09:05	<Progman>	maybe the variable/type isn't but the output is
09:05	<peter__>	000000-1-1... lol
09:07	<pavel1269>	^^
09:07	<Progman>	how did you echo the value? and anyway, as you do bitmasking you dont care about the representation of the value
09:07	<pavel1269>	just %d :)
09:07	<peter__>	%d is signed, %u is unsigned
09:08	<pavel1269>	ahh
09:08	<Progman>	maybe you want %x or %X
09:09	<pavel1269>	whats output of %xM
09:09	<pavel1269>	s/M/?
09:10	<pavel1269>	bytes? :)
09:11	<pavel1269>	okay, (~a&b)\|(a&b&~c) works
09:11	<pavel1269>	thank you
09:12	<Progman>	%x is hexadecimal
09:12	<Progman>	%X with uppercase hexadecimal
09:13	<Progman>	printf dont have iirc a bit-style output
09:15	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11733 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Max speed for entering stations overrode the max speed of curves
09:15	<LordAzamath>	not to interrupt your very notinteresting discussion
09:15	<LordAzamath>	http://www.paperblog.fr/media/images/articles/34/340948/1-feels-like-pioneer-suspension-large.jpeg
09:16	<LordAzamath>	:D
09:19	<hylje>	:o
09:19	<pavel1269>	:o
09:20	<peter__>	looks dangerous
09:21	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r11734 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 4 dirs):
09:21	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Change: Allow ToggleFullScreen to return the result of the operation' attempt. Previously, only visual clues were available.
09:21	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Fix[FS#1519]: When you can not use this resolution at full screen, now you'll know that it failed.
09:21	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: As for the reason it did not work, each computer/OS has its reason.
09:23	<LordAzamath>	Feels like pioneer suspension :D
09:23	<LordAzamath>	after you have driven over it
09:26	<LordAzamath>	hmm...I'm bored, someone give me some ideas...like what should I draw next
09:26	<pavel1269>	draw ... you can redraw stations to fit CSrails :)
09:27	<pavel1269>	i mean NewGRF stations
09:27	<peter__>	why do they need to be redrawn?
09:27	<LordAzamath>	I mean for replacement project :D
09:28	<peter__>	ah ha
09:28	<pavel1269>	peter__: because there are old ones
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09:31	<TrueBrain>	HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
09:31	<TrueBrain>	well, boring people :p
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09:31	<LordAzamath>	Happy New Year Truelight!
09:31	<Wolf01>	...
09:31	<peter__>	haha
09:31	<Wolf01>	i was writing :(
09:31	<LordAzamath>	boring indeed!
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09:33	<LordAzamath>	What's going on? :D
09:34	<peter__>	it's your turn next
09:34	<pavel1269>	:D
09:34	<LordAzamath>	like this?
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09:35	<LordAzamath>	There should have been connection lost for me
09:35	<LordAzamath>	for a little moment
09:35	<LordAzamath>	how can I access IRC logs?
09:35	<pavel1269>	you? can't :P
09:35	<pavel1269>	ask SpComb :o)
09:35	<pavel1269>	!logs
09:35	<SpComb>	Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
09:35	<pavel1269>	:D
09:36	<SpComb>	note how the new logs have been offline for a couple weeks, but nobody's noticed because the implicit behaviour is to use the old ones anyways
09:37	<pavel1269>	hehe true :)
09:37	<LordAzamath>	the new logs are indeed offline...
09:37	<LordAzamath>	and I noticed it right now
09:37	<pavel1269>	same here
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09:37	<LordAzamath>	but you didn't give me any new ideas....what to draw :(
09:41	<LordAzamath>	hmm, I always thought that there is larger community in #tycoon, but I now joined it, there are less people..
09:43	<peter__>	it's probably in a netsplit again
09:46	<SpComb>	no, it doesn't generally go over 50 users
09:46	<SpComb>	so yes, there are fewer idlers there than here
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09:50	<ln->	!
09:51	<@Bjarni>	¡
09:52	<ln->	Ingen skibe fra Gammakvadranten inden for de anmodede tidsparametre.
09:53	<pavel1269>	hmm ...
09:53	<@Bjarni>	ln- is having fun quoting subtitles
09:53	<@Bjarni>	... again
09:54	<ln->	cheap, inexpensive humour
09:54	<LordAzamath>	helllo Bjarin
09:54	<LordAzamath>	Bjarni*
09:54	<@Bjarni>	ln-: well... it depends... if you have to get the subtitles first
09:55	<@Bjarni>	besides the Danish subtitles on Star Trek are just plain weird
09:55	<ln->	because Klingon doesn't need subtitling into danish?
09:55	<@Bjarni>	err
09:56	<@Bjarni>	that's not really what I meant
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09:59	<Draakon>	hi
10:06	<Sacro>	HAPPY NEW YEAR!
10:07	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11735 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Fix [FS#1574]: Don't reset loading indicator IDs when only reloading NewGRFs.
10:07	<pavel1269>	Sacro: to you too
10:08	<peter__>	happy new 15:08 UTC
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10:12	<Sacro>	there is a hostage situation at the pub round the corner, but we can find nothing on the radi
10:13	<@Bjarni>	happy new year?
10:13	<@Bjarni>	well
10:14	<@Bjarni>	turns out that I'm still in 2007
10:14	<@Bjarni>	so I guess it's the 32nd of December here
10:14	<pavel1269>	hehe
10:15	<@Bjarni>	you see... new year is when the the clock on the town hall in Copenhagen sounds the bell 12 times
10:15	<@Bjarni>	so TV broadcasted the clock live
10:15	<@Bjarni>	and then it happened
10:15	<@Bjarni>	the clock broke
10:15	<@Bjarni>	and didn't ring the bell
10:16	<@Bjarni>	and they still don't know why
10:16	<Zahl>	sweet
10:16	<@Bjarni>	now that's bad timing
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10:16	<@Bjarni>	so... if you want anything done in 2007 you can still make it if you go to Denmark xD
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10:17	<pavel1269>	:o))
10:17	<Draakon>	lol
10:18	<@Bjarni>	I bet the news tonight will have a long talk about this clock
10:19	<Draakon>	so in Denmark, its 32 Dec?
10:19	<Draakon>	instead of 1 January?
10:19	<@Bjarni>	I guess so
10:20	<@Bjarni>	however the Calendar says the 1st of January... but they didn't know this would happen when they printed it
10:20	<Draakon>	and if it wont be repaired today and it is broken tomorrow its 33 Dec? :P
10:20	[~]	Bjarni is looking forward to the 40th of December
10:21	<Draakon>	lol
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10:21	<@Bjarni>	hey... I'm have nothing scheduled until January
10:21	<@Bjarni>	which means.... an extra vacation :D
10:22	<HerzogDeXtEr>	happy new year :>
10:22	<Draakon>	lol
10:22	<pavel1269>	lol
10:22	<@Bjarni>	now I just have to convince everybody else that this is the way it is
10:22	<HerzogDeXtEr>	:D
10:22	<@Bjarni>	HerzogDeXtEr: greatest comment that anybody could show up with :D
10:22	<pavel1269>	HerzogDeXtEr: to you too ;)
10:22	<LordAzamath>	we support your efforts :D
10:23	<HerzogDeXtEr>	:>
10:23	<@Bjarni>	!logs
10:23	<SpComb>	Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
10:23	<@Bjarni>	HerzogDeXtEr: here you see why xD
10:24	<HerzogDeXtEr>	yippie :D
10:24	<HerzogDeXtEr>	now i want to see me @ bash.org :>
10:24	<pavel1269>	hehe
10:24	<@Bjarni>	I think this is too long for bash.org
10:24	<@Bjarni>	besides they reject all the funny stuff
10:25	<pavel1269>	yup
10:25	<HerzogDeXtEr>	:> yeah thats true
10:26	<Zahl>	they only accept those totally made up stupid quotes
10:26	<Zahl>	so lets invent something
10:26	<HerzogDeXtEr>	but sometimes it's funny :>, sometimes
10:27	<SpComb>	let's skip the bash.org meta-humour
10:31	<pavel1269>	:)
10:33	<peter__>	humour? where?
10:37	<LordAzamath>	eeeeevryooone....I asked Red*Star for permission to use http://wiki.openttd.org/images/d/d3/Shipdepotidea.png for the replacement prject..
10:39	<pavel1269>	looks good
10:39	<LordAzamath>	no
10:39	<LordAzamath>	it IS good
10:42	<Sacro>	peter__: syndaemon
10:42	<peter__>	hmm?
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10:43	<Sacro>	peter__: for altering touchpad settings when you have a mouse
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10:44	<peter__>	hmm
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11:03	<ln->	did pv2b succeed with his patching effort?
11:11	<@Bjarni>	I hope so
11:11	<@Bjarni>	but he has yet to tell me
11:16	<LordAzamath>	Bjarni, because nobody answered me before, you must :D. I wan't to draw something but I can't make my mind up, what shall I draw (for http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&st=0&sk=t&sd=a )..So because nobody gave me nice ideas you should. :D
11:17	<LordAzamath>	:)
11:17	<@Bjarni>	...
11:17	<@Bjarni>	that's a lot to read
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11:18	<@Bjarni>	I wouldn't mind getting a replacement set if that is what you are asking
11:18	<LordAzamath>	ermm...use this http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Graphics_Replacement
11:18	<LordAzamath>	it's almost everything we have
11:18	<LordAzamath>	but I need smb else to decide what shall I draw next :D
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11:19	<peter__>	draw some gui elements
11:20	<LordAzamath>	I tried that this morning and found out I can't draw Gui
11:20	<LordAzamath>	atleast so that it would differ from the original ones
11:20	<LordAzamath>	that's the problem with small sprites
11:21	<LordAzamath>	They all are so similar,
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11:23	<@Bjarni>	then how about trees and forests?
11:24	<pavel1269>	LordAzamath: brickland :)
11:24	<LordAzamath>	I'm still thinking what happened to SAC, maybe we could use her trees....
11:25	<LordAzamath>	but it seems she left
11:25	<@Bjarni>	SAC?
11:25	<LordAzamath>	SAC's stolen trees
11:25	<pavel1269>	they are best!
11:25	<LordAzamath>	yes
11:25	<@Bjarni>	stolen?
11:25	<pavel1269>	i have them in newrgf-static all time
11:25	<@Bjarni>	what are you talking about?
11:25	<LordAzamath>	one grf
11:25	<pavel1269>	:))
11:26	<LordAzamath>	the name is SAC's Stolen Trees
11:26	<@Bjarni>	ahh
11:26	<LordAzamath>	I have no idea why this naming
11:26	<peter__>	they're too big
11:26	<@Bjarni>	maybe we should ask the owner
11:26	<peter__>	and the angle is wrong
11:26	<@Bjarni>	whoever that might be
11:27	<LordAzamath>	http://www.tt-forums.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3069
11:27	<Wolf01>	because somebody coded and released them before she does, if i remember
11:27	<LordAzamath>	that would be Aegir
11:28	<peter__>	by the way, no offence, by why so much effort into 8bpp when 32bpp is available to use?
11:28	<LordAzamath>	"Graohics by SAC. Coded by Aegir, who has no shame"
11:28	<pavel1269>	peter__: sameone can't use 32bpp property
11:28	<LordAzamath>	in newgrf description
11:28	<pavel1269>	like i can play only without animations at hard otherwise it kills my pc
11:29	<LordAzamath>	because 32bpp still needs 8bpp sprites
11:29	<pavel1269>	and no animations means = ugly water, unplayable CSsignals :(
11:29	<LordAzamath>	and w/o replacement OpenTTD can't be fully freely distributed
11:30	<LordAzamath>	w/o breaching copyright laws for original grpahics
11:30	<pavel1269>	btw, who care about tree angle since tree is circuit? :P
11:30	<egladil>	no it doesn't, 32bpp can use both 32bpp or 8bpp sprites
11:30	<pavel1269>	*circle
11:30	<Wolf01>	not all trees are circles
11:30	<pavel1269>	but all trees look good
11:30	<LordAzamath>	yes but 32bpp needs 8bpp sprites to exist
11:31	<Wolf01>	just make a blank grf and replace all the graphics with 32bpp
11:31	<LordAzamath>	you may read more here http://blog.openttd.org/?p=15
11:32	<LordAzamath>	there are lot's of good reasons why not to do it, but I don't know them all...ask a dev
11:32	<LordAzamath>	pavel, I guess the "angle" was maybe lightning angle
11:33	<pavel1269>	:)
11:33	<pavel1269>	okay then
11:33	<LordAzamath>	I just looked, the lightning angle is good
11:34	[~]	LordAzamath keeps staring at stolen trees
11:35	<LordAzamath>	they're just too good :(
11:35	<egladil>	LordAzamath: will do :)
11:37	<peter__>	no, view angle
11:37	<peter__>	you see too much trunk
11:38	<peter__>	they're drawn as if you're a person at ground level
11:38	<peter__>	but in the game your viewpoint is in the sky
11:38	<pavel1269>	ahh this angle :)
11:38	<pavel1269>	this means they are totaly wrong :X
11:39	<peter__>	and as Wolf01 says there is not enough variety
11:39	<peter__>	no tall but thin trees, iirc
11:39	<LordAzamath>	does anybody know good train replacement set that only replaces graphics not stats? Something like generic set?
11:40	<peter__>	your graphics replacement set i assume
11:40	<peter__>	i dunno, maybe it can use newgrf
11:41	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	LordAzamath: get a some graphics, and use http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=35497&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
11:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: miham * r11736 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files):
11:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-01-01 17:42:54
11:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1)
11:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: german - 4 fixed by chu (4)
11:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: hungarian - 23 fixed by miham (23)
11:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: romanian - 17 fixed, 2 changed by kneekoo (19)
11:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: slovenian - 1 fixed by Necrolyte (1)
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11:46	<LordAzamath>	guess what? I got a reply from Red*Star and it stated that I may use his graphics!!!!
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11:47	<LordAzamath>	So Eddi\|zuHause2 I guess I can use your thing now :)
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11:49	<LordAzamath>	@logs
11:49	<LordAzamath>	!logs
11:49	<SpComb>	Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
11:50	<LordAzamath>	hmm, Eddi, seams that firefox crashed when I tried to save link as :)
11:50	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	mental note close openttd before compiling the new version ;)
11:50	<LordAzamath>	why?
11:51	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	cp: reguläre Datei „/home/johannes/spiele/OpenTTD/bin/openttd“ kann nicht angelegt werden: Das Programm kann nicht ausgeführt oder verändert werden (busy)
11:51	<pavel1269>	translate? :P
11:51	<LordAzamath>	that just said alot to me
11:51	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	:)
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11:51	<+glx>	pavel1269: file in use
11:52	<pavel1269>	thank you :)
11:52	<LordAzamath>	:)
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11:57	<LordAzamath>	Eddi\|zuHause2 sorry but I can't understand that higher level language so well...i think for simple 0a sprite replacement plain nfo is better
11:58	<LordAzamath>	actually I can't understand it at all
11:58	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	LordAzamath: use the example2.ndl as base
11:58	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	there is a line "Sprites = (...)"
11:58	<LordAzamath>	at first i have to add line breaks before # marks so I can read it
11:59	<LordAzamath>	it's all one big line now
11:59	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	LordAzamath: use an editor that understands linux-line breaks
12:00	<LordAzamath>	I might just do that...two possible means -> reboot to mandriva or use ConText
12:01	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11737 /trunk/src/autoreplace_gui.cpp: -Fix: Reinstate NewGRF-specified engine list order in autoreplace window.
12:02	<Wolf01>	:O seem that somebody returned
12:02	<@Bjarni>	I noticed
12:03	<peter__>	who?
12:03	<@Bjarni>	but I thought about something else regarding this commit
12:03	<@Bjarni>	all my local changes to autoreplace >_<
12:03	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	haha ;)
12:03	<peter__>	Bjarni, it's one line (plus a little extra out of the way)
12:03	<@Bjarni>	I think I can manage this
12:04	<peter__>	i don't remember it becoming broken
12:04	<peter__>	but i guess it was since the last rewrite :o
12:04	<peter__>	anyway, what local changes do you have? heh
12:05	<@Bjarni>	I'm trying a redesign that should improve newGRF compatibility with less messy code
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12:05	<@Bjarni>	and it should work even if newGRF makes up something I didn't think of
12:05	<@Bjarni>	well... hopefully ;)
12:06	<peter__>	well the "too long" trains problem was fixed
12:06	<peter__>	i guess there are other problems though
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12:07	<peter__>	hmm, ukrs double metrocammel to sprinter or something?
12:08	<@Bjarni>	the issue is that whenever he notice an issue we add a fix for it. By design a whole lot of the newGRF features needed a fix (and some aren't fixed yet) and the code risks getting messy
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12:08	<peter__>	i thought it was pretty good now
12:08	<@Bjarni>	not to mention time consuming
12:08	<peter__>	the "too long" trains problem was not even autoreplace related
12:08	<@Bjarni>	I know
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12:09	<LordAzamath>	Bjarni> the issue is that whenever he notice an issue we add a fix for it. By design a whole lot of the newGRF features needed a fix (and some aren't fixed yet) and the code risks getting messy
12:10	<LordAzamath>	that's like osome of my biggest junctions
12:10	<LordAzamath>	I repair them
12:10	<LordAzamath>	and think that they are now huge
12:10	<LordAzamath>	when in the same time time I could do it with very little effort
12:10	<LordAzamath>	bu I just won't rebuild the whole thing
12:11	<peter__>	autoreplace has been rebuilt about 5 times now ;)
12:11	<@Bjarni>	actually my plan is to go though the train recursively instead of in a loop
12:12	<peter__>	well anyway, i doubt that minor gui change will affect your changes at all
12:12	<@Bjarni>	this should fix the newgrf overwrite for what vehicles that can be connected
12:12	<peter__>	i guess you need to detach all old engines, then attach new engines
12:13	<peter__>	this needs transactional c++ ;)
12:13	<peter__>	of course, in some cases it is correct that things can't be replaced
12:13	<@Bjarni>	it goes though the train and replaces the engines in a recursive function. Once it reaches the end it will join the train from the rear
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12:14	<@Bjarni>	so changing a DMU to another one will not fail because the new and old can't be connected
12:14	<peter__>	nod
12:15	<peter__>	even so, it still works marvellously well
12:15	<peter__>	remember when you ended up with single engines running around instead...
12:15	<@Bjarni>	but it's an experiment. I'm wondering about how fast it will work. If it turns out to be a slowdown then I will likely try to figure out some other way to solve this
12:18	<@Bjarni>	my biggest problem is how to revert the train to the original state and costs to 0 when it fails
12:18	<@Bjarni>	but I might have a solution :)
12:18	<peter__>	yeah, that's the messiest bit
12:18	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	you need a vehicle sandbox
12:18	<@Bjarni>	I guess you could call my idea for a sandbox
12:19	<@Bjarni>	basically it allocates memory for the whole chain and copies each vehicle into it. If something fails then it just sells everything and creates the train again from the backup
12:19	<@Bjarni>	well.. that's the idea
12:20	<@Bjarni>	it's not done yet so I can't test the idea yet
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12:21	<peter__>	heh
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12:22	<@Bjarni>	well... I hope that if the backup system works then the code should be less messy because it just goes ahead and presumes that it will work until proven otherwise
12:22	<@Bjarni>	no check
12:22	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	sandboxes of certain selections of the game state would be a good idea for a lot of things
12:23	<peter__>	copy & paste patch? heh
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12:23	<@Bjarni>	so you are saying that we should start by making a sandbox feature?
12:23	<peter__>	sounds like way too much work for one feature ;(
12:24	<@Bjarni>	snapshot of economics and the ability to restore this... could be an interesting feature
12:25	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it could be used for all the command stuff, just do the ~DC_EXEC part in the sandbox
12:25	<@Bjarni>	I have wondered about the commands. They all estimate if it's possible and then they assert if they estimate incorrectly. It would be more interesting to just do the commands with the ability to revert the changes
12:25	<murray>	http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kuvaaaaa026io7.jpg
12:26	<Wolf01>	lol
12:26	<@Bjarni>	murray: you aren't allowed to cover the license plate like that. You better take it off again
12:27	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	a lada... haven't seen that one in ages...
12:28	<@Bjarni>	o_O
12:28	<@Bjarni>	I thought you were living in Lada country
12:28	<hylje>	we can't stop here
12:28	<hylje>	it's lada country
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12:30	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	lada is a russian car, i believe
12:30	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	they were qute common here until ~15 years ago
12:30	<@Bjarni>	hence why you once lived in Lada country
12:30	<@Bjarni>	DDR used Russian stuff
12:33	<@Bjarni>	<peter__> sounds like way too much work for one feature ;( <-- agreed. Either I make this more general or I will not finish it
12:33	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	well, most common were the german produced car ("Trabbi" (Trabant), and "Wartburg")
12:33	<@Bjarni>	general as in "other functions can call on this functionality too"
12:34	<peter__>	trabants rock
12:35	<valhallasw>	you mean they are as noisy as a rock concert? :P
12:35	<@Bjarni>	may I recommend better suspension :p
12:35	[~]	ln- has visited the Wartburg castle thing at Eisenach
12:35	<@Bjarni>	ln-: is there anywhere you haven't been?
12:36	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	the "Wartburg" car was manufactured in Eisenach (hence the name ;))
12:36	<ln->	the US
12:36	<@Bjarni>	ln-: is there anywhere you haven't been that's worth visiting?
12:36	<ln->	the Moon
12:36	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i have been in the US
12:36	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	in the year 2000
12:36	[~]	Bjarni feels sorry for Eddi\|zuHause2
12:37	<@Bjarni>	was it painful?
12:37	<ln->	Luther used to live at the Wartburg castle thing, as far as i understand
12:37	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	we were guest of an orchestra that played "german" music ;)
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12:38	<ln->	Wolf01\|AWAY: no away nicks
12:38	<@Bjarni>	he just made a statement
12:38	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	ln-: yes, under a pseudonym
12:38	<@Bjarni>	about German music :P
12:39	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	ln-: in that time, he made his translation of the bible
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12:42	<ln->	webtranslator 0.05
12:42	<@Bjarni>	is that better or worse than babelfish?
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12:43	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yes
12:43	<@Bjarni>	is it free?
12:43	<ln->	did he have to come up some new names for animals, for example?
12:44	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	no, but he is said to be the Root of the Habit to capitalise Nouns in German
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12:46	<ln->	the finnish translator, Acrigola, called the lion a "noble deer", because obviously finns at the time did not have much contact with lions.
12:47	<@Bjarni>	:)
12:48	<@Bjarni>	reminds me of the cow with a pantograph on it's head
12:48	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it is said the intention was to give each object created by god a capital letter
12:48	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	except the lord himself, he got two
12:48	<Noldo>	huh?
12:48	<@Bjarni>	two?
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12:49	<ln->	like LOrd?
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12:49	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yes "HErr"
12:49	<@Bjarni>	no quitting and joining all the time
12:49	<hylje>	no
12:50	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	that apparently did not hold very long
12:50	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it was then either capitalised entirely, or just with one letter
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13:00	<ln->	pv2b: did you succeed?
13:00	<pv2b>	ln-: in what?
13:00	<ln->	the Patch
13:00	<pv2b>	which one of them?
13:00	<pavel1269>	hehe
13:00	<ln->	the OS X path thing
13:00	<pavel1269>	that one, that you will shut up :))
13:01	<pv2b>	oh, that. well, successful, except for one bug. i forgot that some global variables are initialized in another fuction on windows than on posix machines, so i had an uninitialized global. otherwise it should work.
13:01	<p