TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:06:30

---	Log	opened Sat Jun 30 00:00:35 2007
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01:12	<CobraA1>	hey
01:13	<CobraA1>	Trying to figure out how AirportHasBlock works in aircraft_cmd.cpp works
01:14	<CobraA1>	In particular the line that begins with "if (current_pos != reference "
01:14	<CobraA1>	What is "reference" and why is it compared to "current_pos"?
01:32	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10396 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Fix: When landscape generating, allow for 200ms between screen updates instead of updating every 200ms. Previously slow screen updates would result in very slow map generation (GeekToo)
01:39	<stillunknown>	Has there ever been a bug in openttd were things like trackbits, track were not set on a bridge, stations and/or normal track
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01:45	<@peter1138>	trackbits are not set on stations
01:45	<@peter1138>	nor bridges
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02:19	<CobraA1>	headings == states?
02:20	<CobraA1>	if (current->heading == v->u.air.state) {
02:20	<CobraA1>	Odd line of code
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02:48	<CobraA1>	Anybody here know about the airport state machine??
02:50	<hylje>	no
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02:51	<CobraA1>	I guess I'll as the dev forums
02:51	<CobraA1>	*as=ask
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02:52	<Wolf01>	hello
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02:53	<Smoovious>	'sup Wolf01... how goes the toyland replacement?
02:54	<Wolf01>	if you have some suggestions about the lightning i would appreciate it :P
02:54	<Smoovious>	can't say I do at the moment
02:54	<@peter1138>	lightning? hmm
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03:26	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10397 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#969]: subsidy awarded messages broken due to {COMPANY} now taking 1 (not 2) parameters. also remove an unnecessary dereference.
03:27	<Smoovious>	^5 peter1138
03:28	<Smoovious>	I originally thought I screwed up something with my patch... wanted to make sure before I posted it... would have posted it a couple days ago if not for my tinkering in there...
03:28	<@peter1138>	http://bugs.openttd.org/task/962
03:29	<@peter1138>	that sounds like what someone here was complaining about but didn't bother reporting
03:30	<Smoovious>	962? ya sure?
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03:45	<Smoovious>	o/ Bjarni
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03:46	<@peter1138>	that Smoovious bloke... 'e's 'armless
03:46	<Smoovious>	the other one is under the desk
03:47	<@peter1138>	that's just too much information
03:47	<Smoovious>	:D
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04:13	<@Bjarni>	so are you guys having fun?
04:13	<Sionide>	it's 24/7 fun up in here!
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04:34	<jojo1000>	hello friends :)
04:34	<jojo1000>	is there any workaround to the 'tried to load too many sprites' option ? in 0.5.2 ?
04:34	<jojo1000>	i dont want to download any nightlies to overcome this... any other workaround ?
04:35	<@peter1138>	no
04:35	<Sionide>	what's wrong with nightlies?
04:35	<jojo1000>	well with nightlies .. can't find any multiplayer server with them
04:35	<jojo1000>	:P
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04:36	<nairan>	there is one server with last nightly
04:36	<@peter1138>	so keep 0.5.2 for multiplayer games and the nightly for single player
04:36	<Sionide>	nairan, at least one
04:36	<nairan>	its updated after every nightly compile but there is barley playing somone (winder why)
04:36	<nairan>	*wonder
04:37	<Gekko>	if this OpenTTD was really cool, there would be no need for nightlies
04:37	<Gekko>	modularity :P
04:37	<nairan>	nah
04:37	<Gekko>	kind of like a newgrf
04:37	<nairan>	nightlies are good to test new feat. and also find bugs.
04:37	<Gekko>	when you check a server is says "Noob, get this piece."
04:37	<Gekko>	I didn't mean "NO" nightlies
04:38	<Gekko>	i just meant utilised in a different way
04:42	<@peter1138>	unpossible
04:46	<Gekko>	how so
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04:53	<jojo1000>	which nightly would accept more than 16383 sprites ? any ideas ?
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04:55	<@peter1138>	if you going to get a nightly you should just get the current one
04:56	<Gekko>	HMage loves cyrillics
04:57	<jojo1000>	okie :)
04:58	<jojo1000>	thanks so much
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05:05	<HMage`>	Gekko: what that was for? :)
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05:05	<Gekko>	you're russian
05:05	<Gekko>	therefore you like cyrillics
05:05	<Gekko>	:P
05:07	<HMage>	do you like the ground you're walking on from day to day? I bet you just don't feel a thing towards that. Same here, I don't feel a thing towards letters.
05:08	<@peter1138>	ACTUALLY I DO!
05:08	<@peter1138>	Gekko: you'd think they'd like UTF8 too
05:09	<HMage>	that's why you write in caps? :)
05:09	<@peter1138>	no, i was just shouting
05:09	<hylje>	CAPS ARE CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME
05:10	<@peter1138>	my boss is a numbnuts
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05:10	<@peter1138>	he phoned me to tell me some server is down, but didn't think it was very important
05:10	<@peter1138>	he also asked me to check out why some customer's site wasn't working
05:10	<@peter1138>	he didn't twig...
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05:14	<Gekko>	I love cyrillics and this alphabet
05:14	<Gekko>	both are sexy in their own right
05:14	<hylje>	what
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05:15	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	you, sir Gekko, have a twisted mind...
05:15	<@peter1138>	hylje, he has issues :)
05:15	<Gekko>	Why, I love languages.
05:16	<Gekko>	the sexiest languages are russian and german
05:16	<Gekko>	and I'm not a socialist.
05:16	<hylje>	achtung
05:16	<Gekko>	SCHNELL SCHNELL
05:16	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	RUHE!
05:16	<nairan>	<-- german ....
05:17	<Gekko>	hey sexy
05:17	<Gekko>	lol
05:17	<Gekko>	half of irc is on dialin-t
05:17	<Gekko>	t-dialin*
05:17	<@Bjarni>	Gekko: you have a very twisted mind
05:17	<hylje>	big isps :o
05:17	<@Bjarni>	how can German be sexy???
05:17	<nairan>	yea telekom = monopol in germany
05:17	<Gekko>	telecomm monopoly here :P
05:17	<Gekko>	now called telstra
05:18	<hylje>	we have like five major isps and counting
05:18	<Gekko>	and you are?
05:18	<hylje>	i'm me
05:19	<@Bjarni>	hylje, I presume
05:19	<@Bjarni>	can't you see that? :p
05:19	<hylje>	apparently telstra anonymizes the interwebs just enough
05:19	<@Bjarni>	think before asking next time xD
05:19	<hylje>	D:
05:19	<nairan>	we have one and now eu going to court of EU law to complain against a protection law in germany
05:19	<@Bjarni>	what law?
05:20	<nairan>	its protecting telekom via a company law + subsidy
05:20	<Gekko>	eww.
05:20	<Gekko>	the EU broke the E.
05:20	<hylje>	U U U U U
05:20	<Gekko>	and the Euro sign makes me sick to look at.
05:21	<Gekko>	its an E, with two lines through it
05:21	<Gekko>	I thikn I'm going to puke.
05:21	<hylje>	$ is a S with two lines through it
05:21	<hylje>	enjoy your aus$
05:21	<Gekko>	two in the US
05:21	<Gekko>	one in AU.
05:21	<nairan>	australia or austira?
05:21	<Gekko>	Australia.
05:21	<nairan>	*austria
05:21	<hylje>	fine
05:21	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	what's wrong with the € sign?
05:22	<Gekko>	lol Eddi\|zuHause2 I see â ‚¬
05:22	<Gekko>	thats just silly with UTF-8 on
05:22	<Gekko>	do the sign again
05:22	<Gekko>	>_>
05:22	<Gekko>	i realise i didnt have UTF8 on
05:22	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	€
05:22	<hylje>	¤
05:22	[~]	Gekko pukes at the sight
05:22	<Gekko>	hylje: yours doesnt work though
05:22	<hylje>	your charset is silly
05:23	<Gekko>	your hostname is silly
05:23	<hylje>	granted
05:23	<hylje>	im too lazy to turn it to hylje.fi
05:24	<Gekko>	you can change it on demand?
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05:24	<Gekko>	or you ssh into your server
05:24	<hylje>	i believe i have to call my isp for dat
05:25	<@peter1138>	€ :D
05:25	<hylje>	eur eur eur eur eur
05:25	<Gekko>	STOP IT
05:25	<Gekko>	alright.
05:26	<@peter1138>	¼
05:26	<hylje>	ö
05:26	<Gekko>	a quarter?
05:26	<Gekko>	UTF8 is way broken on Windows I swear
05:26	<@peter1138>	yes
05:26	<@peter1138>	½lb burger :D
05:27	<Gekko>	it's implemented like a ... chimney... in a ... forest? no.
05:27	<ln->	£
05:27	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	⅝
05:27	<Gekko>	i'm out of similies
05:27	<Gekko>	ln-: pound is sexy
05:27	<hylje>	your metaphor fails
05:27	<Gekko>	Eddi\|zuHause2: LIKE WTF?
05:27	<Gekko>	hylje: it's a similie
05:27	<Gekko>	a metaphor would be
05:27	<@peter1138>	but a '£' is just an L with another line...
05:27	<eekee>	:þ
05:27	<Gekko>	It's implemented as a chimney in a forest.
05:28	<Gekko>	peter1138: e is just a c with a line through it
05:28	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	an € is just an E with another line...
05:28	[~]	Gekko pukes once more
05:28	<Gekko>	ÿ <-- like who the hell invented that
05:28	<eekee>	does look a little wierd, & I've never heard £ compared to L before :D
05:28	<@peter1138>	Eddi\|zuHause2: you're saying an € wouldn't be an € without two lines in it?
05:29	<eekee>	Gekko: The question is, ÿ did they do it?
05:29	<@peter1138>	;)
05:29	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	what??
05:29	<Gekko>	you fial
05:29	<ln->	eekee: but it is
05:29	<hylje>	Gekko: so do you
05:29	<Gekko>	no, I fail
05:29	<Gekko>	you fial
05:29	<hylje>	wut
05:29	<Gekko>	where I get an F.
05:29	<Gekko>	you get an F-.
05:29	<@peter1138>	Eddi\|zuHause2: i was responding to Gekko's statement that a € is just an E with an extra line...
05:29	<eekee>	ln-: looks like a back to front 2 with a line, to me.
05:29	<@peter1138>	eekee: but is .
05:30	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Gekko: i believe ÿ is used in dutch (ij ligature)
05:30	<Gekko>	ÿ is odd.
05:30	<Gekko>	alright?
05:30	<hylje>	dutch is silly
05:30	<Gekko>	dutch is silly
05:30	<Gekko>	i'm half duth
05:30	<@peter1138>	"but is ." wtf
05:30	<Gekko>	dutch*
05:30	<eekee>	BC, before computers, it was often written with 2 lines
05:30	<ln->	☢ ☭ ☂
05:30	<eekee>	←
05:30	<Gekko>	no, no nuke signs
05:30	<@peter1138>	eekee: what was written with 2 lines?
05:30	<hylje>	NOOoooo
05:31	<eekee>	peter1138: £, sorry
05:31	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	©®
05:31	<Gekko>	look what I did.
05:31	<@peter1138>	Like ₤ then
05:31	<Gekko>	I brought you all down to my level
05:31	<Gekko>	muahahaha.
05:31	<eekee>	I can't understand why I can't get ~n on my keyb
05:32	<Gekko>	ñ
05:32	<Gekko>	hahah
05:32	<hylje>	~n
05:32	<Gekko>	alt 0241
05:32	<@peter1138>	ñ is easy
05:32	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	eekee: you need to activate ~ as dead key
05:32	<ln->	just go have a ☕
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05:32	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	or in the luxury version you have a "compose" key ;)
05:33	<eekee>	mew, British keyboards aren't designed for Spanish, although they'll do Iceplandic, lol
05:33	<eekee>	ln-: I can't even see what that is in white-on-black anti-aliassed :D
05:33	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	¡Hola!
05:33	<@peter1138>	as is ņ, ń and ň
05:33	<eekee>	LOL
05:33	<eekee>	Eddi\|zuHause2: I've rebound my keyboard to have a compose key before, love it, but i@m lazy :d
05:34	<@peter1138>	¡ = alt-gr shift 1
05:34	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	¡ is AltGr+Shift+1 here
05:34	<eekee>	eh, I'm out, have funs
05:34	<eekee>	¡! same here
05:34	<Gekko>	Windows is shit
05:34	<Gekko>	we all agree?
05:34	<Gekko>	yes.
05:34	<Gekko>	good.
05:34	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	¿ is AltGr+Shift+ß ;)
05:35	<Gekko>	ß lol
05:35	<Gekko>	you german you
05:35	<eekee>	gah, ß is altGr-s here
05:35	<eekee>	§ bai
05:35	<@peter1138>	Eddi\|zuHause2: lies, there is no ß key ;)
05:35	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	AltGr+s works, too... but german layout has a special key for ß
05:36	<@peter1138>	AltGr+Shift+- gets me ¿
05:36	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	that gives me ˙
05:36	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	whatever that is
05:36	<@peter1138>	:)
05:36	<@peter1138>	‘smart’ quotes, woo
05:38	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	„smart“
05:39	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	hm, the closing one looks the wrong way around
05:39	<@peter1138>	«foreign» quotes
05:39	[~]	peter1138 said “not in this context”
05:40	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	.·˙
05:41	<Gekko>	So are you people always like this?
05:41	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yes.
05:41	<Gekko>	I've chosen my home.
05:41	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	(whatever "this" means)
05:41	<Gekko>	random.
05:41	<Gekko>	OT.
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05:42	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	noooo... it's all part of a plan that leads back to the topic!!
05:42	<@peter1138>	There is a topic?
05:43	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yes, but it has the wrong version number in it :p
05:43	<@peter1138>	It does?
05:44	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it says "0.5.2" instead of "0.5.3-RC1"
05:45	<@peter1138>	But 0.5.2 is the latest stable release.
05:46	<Gekko>	in your opinion
05:46	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	but in the past it always said the latest RC
05:47	<Gekko>	compromise:
05:47	<Gekko>	topic: Stable - 0.5.2 \| Release Candidate - 0.5.3-RC1
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05:47	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	too long :p
05:48	<Gekko>	RC - 0.5.3-RC1 then
05:48	<Gekko>	or change the { - } to {: }
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06:04	<@peter1138>	₠₡₢₣₤₥₦₧₨₩₪₫€₭₮₯₰₱₲₳₴₵ :o
06:05	<eekee>	Hey there's a proper £ sign
06:05	<Gekko>	theres two signs
06:05	<Gekko>	you didnt know?
06:05	<Gekko>	one is the sterling pound i believe
06:05	<Gekko>	one is the imperial pound
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06:06	<eekee>	I kinda did, by dad, who grep up in Egypt said the one with 2 lines was the British pound, the one with 1 line, the Egyptian
06:06	<eekee>	imperial pound.. yeah that adds up
06:06	<Tefad>	scenario editor
06:06	<Tefad>	i can't get town directory
06:08	<Tefad>	anyone reproduce this?
06:10	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	what currency is that reverse S sign??
06:10	<Tefad>	reverse s?
06:10	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	₴ <-
06:11	<Tefad>	oh not in my font
06:11	<Tefad>	₰₱₲₳₴₵ can't see those
06:11	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it looks like a reverse S with two horizontal lines
06:11	<Tefad>	weird
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06:11	<Tefad>	i'm trying to reproduce a bug
06:12	<@peter1138>	U+20B4: Hryvnia sign, Ukraine
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06:17	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	hm, since when does generating strings.h not trigger a full recompile anymore?
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06:18	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	hm, yes, scenario editor is wrong
06:19	<Tefad>	i only poke around in ottd once in a blue moon
06:19	<Tefad>	but when i do, i find a bug within like.. 5 mins
06:19	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	there's a line "World Population: ####" with random numbers
06:19	<Tefad>	yup
06:19	<Tefad>	actually it's the same number over and over
06:19	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	if you click that, the town list opens
06:19	<Tefad>	here anyway
06:19	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i get several different numbers
06:19	<Tefad>	oh, weird
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06:20	<@peter1138>	TrueBrain broke that then ;)
06:20	<Tefad>	mine says the original random number
06:20	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	701,265 [the , is wrong there, even], 189 and 0
06:20	<Tefad>	then after i make some towns, it says it briefly before figuring out town population
06:21	<Tefad>	oh weird
06:21	<Tefad>	now it's doing crazy stuff
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06:21	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	the "town list" item opens the transparency options
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06:21	<Tefad>	what ever those are
06:21	<@peter1138>	hmm
06:22	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	so i guess moving those to the options menu, where it belongs, was not done properly in the scenario editor
06:24	<Tefad>	also i broke it again
06:24	<Tefad>	now it's in an infinite loop
06:25	<Tefad>	created a 512x512 flat map, zoomed in and put a city in the middle
06:25	<Tefad>	then rapidly clicked expand
06:25	<Gekko>	Tefad: howd that break it
06:25	<Tefad>	^
06:26	<Gekko>	I mean what did it break
06:26	<Tefad>	infinite loops are bad
06:26	<Gekko>	what happened
06:26	<Gekko>	infinite loop of what
06:26	<Tefad>	no idea
06:26	<Gekko>	growth?
06:26	<Tefad>	it was a tight loop
06:26	<Tefad>	no graphics updates
06:26	<@peter1138>	I'M AFRAID OF AMERICANS
06:26	<Tefad>	BOO!
06:27	<eekee>	snicker
06:27	<Gekko>	AMERIKA!!
06:27	<Gekko>	JIHAAAAAAAAAAAAD
06:27	<Gekko>	and all that.
06:27	<Gekko>	I'm done.
06:27	<eekee>	oh ah
06:27	<eekee>	hehe
06:28	<Tefad>	so why are you afraid
06:28	<@peter1138>	it's just this song, isn't it...
06:28	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10398 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix (r10271): transparency menu option wasn't moved properly in the scenario editor
06:30	<Tefad>	yeah it happened again
06:30	<Tefad>	i'm using 3x3 roads for towns
06:31	<Tefad>	oh, it broke out
06:31	<Tefad>	hmm
06:31	<Tefad>	it just takes a crazy amount of time to expand after a certain point i guess
06:32	<Gekko>	no shit
06:32	<Tefad>	yay geometry
06:32	<Gekko>	it's gotta draw with it's head
06:32	<Gekko>	>_>
06:32	<Tefad>	population over 1 million
06:32	<Tefad>	for one city
06:32	<Tefad>	craaazy
06:33	<Gekko>	yeah you broke it alright
06:33	<Gekko>	get openmosix
06:33	<Gekko>	connect up about 10 core 2 duos
06:33	<Tefad>	haha nah
06:33	<Gekko>	then get a 2048 x 2048 map
06:33	<Gekko>	expand from the middle out wiht a clicking macro
06:33	<Tefad>	i think i'm on 2048^2 now
06:33	<Gekko>	that gets slower
06:33	<Gekko>	1s first click
06:33	<Gekko>	2s next click
06:33	<Gekko>	4s next click
06:33	<Tefad>	4 8 16 . . .
06:34	<Gekko>	8, 16, 32
06:34	<Gekko>	x^2
06:34	<Gekko>	more like
06:34	<Gekko>	ans^2
06:34	<Tefad>	eh, i'm not noticing a terrific delay increase
06:35	<Tefad>	it's no longer expanding
06:40	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Gekko: surely you mean ans*2
06:40	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	which means, 2^x
06:41	<Gekko>	im tired aight?
06:41	<Gekko>	yeh 2^x
06:41	<Gekko>	that's what i was getting at
06:41	<Tefad>	so i now have three cities at 1.2m population
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08:02	<stillunknown>	src/misc/dbg_helpers.h:32: warning: comparison is always false due to limited range of data type
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08:02	<stillunknown>	src/misc/dbg_helpers.cpp:56: instantiated from here
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08:43	<stillunknown>	TileZ height is that always the lowest height of the tile?
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09:13	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it's more likely the height of the top corner
09:13	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	lmao -> http://peer.error.fi/wimbledon.jpg
09:18	<hylje>	:o
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09:56	<Caemyr>	lawl
09:56	<Caemyr>	Eddi: i`m living like 10 minutes walk from the Wimbledon Club:P
09:56	<Gekko[PDA]>	gay
09:56	<Gekko[PDA]>	tennis gay
09:57	<eekee>	O.o
09:57	<Gekko[PDA]>	0.b
09:58	<eekee>	:þ
09:58	<Gekko[PDA]>	)×)
09:58	<eekee>	o.o;
09:58	<Gekko[PDA]>	×&^@¡
09:59	<eekee>	@.@
09:59	<Gekko[PDA]>	·.:
09:59	[~]	eekee wibbles & hides from the strange smileys
09:59	<Gekko[PDA]>	lol
10:00	<Gekko[PDA]>	ò_ó
10:00	<Gekko[PDA]>	Ô_Ô
10:01	<Gekko[PDA]>	i win the vwar
10:02	<Gekko[PDA]>	eekee: bow,
10:02	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: glx * r10399 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Fix (FS#962): [Windows] _wnd.has_focus was not properly set after using ALT-TAB
10:02	[~]	eekee bows, mew
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10:14	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: glx * r10400 /branches/0.5/video/win32_v.c:
10:14	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r10399):
10:14	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: - Fix: [Windows] _wnd.has_focus was not properly set after using ALT-TAB [FS#962] (r10399)
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10:28	<kaan>	hi all
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10:35	<stillunknown>	kaan: hello
10:40	<Tefad>	player.h:241: Player* GetPlayer(PlayerID): Assertion `( (uint)((i) - (PLAYER_FIRST)) < ((uint)((sizeof(_players)/sizeof(_players[0])))) )' failed.
10:40	<Tefad>	when exiting editor
10:41	<+glx>	known
10:41	<Tefad>	ok : )
10:46	<redmonkey>	when i move the world with the right mousebutton, and the game is going to be saved automatically in a network game, i land up somewhere at the edge of the world sometimes
10:47	<redmonkey>	is this a known issue?
10:49	<Smoovious>	check the bug-tracker?
10:49	<redmonkey>	not yet
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10:52	<Chris82>	hi :)
10:52	<Chris82>	huh mikk36 was looking for me 14 hours ago?
10:52	<Chris82>	is it possible that huge amounts of money keep OpenTTD crashing for whatever reason?
10:53	<Chris82>	I have two test games with world population 11 mio+ and a few thousand vehicles which run fine
10:53	<Chris82>	I have less than 2 billion in both games tho
10:54	<Chris82>	in another game where world population is below 7 mio+ and there are only around 1800 vehicles the game keeps crashing all the time
10:54	<Chris82>	I have around 12 billion in that game tho
10:54	<Chris82>	all games are on 1024x1024 maps with 7 AI players and only a few vehicles of my own
10:54	<redmonkey>	Chris82: can i have the savegame please? ;)
10:54	<Chris82>	hold on I up them, but you need ChrisIN for some of them
10:55	<eekee>	It's common for right-mouse-drag to go too far whenever the game jerks
10:56	<Smoovious>	Chris82... where is your IN located?
10:56	<Phazorx>	bug
10:56	<Phazorx>	in scenario editor "town directiry" goes to transparency menu
10:57	<Chris82>	wasn't that fixed in 10388 or 89 ?
10:57	<Phazorx>	ahh i have not most recent then
10:58	[~]	Tefad noted it
10:58	<Phazorx>	just checking if you guys are awawre
10:58	<Tefad>	: D
10:58	<Chris82>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32698
10:58	<Phazorx>	before submitting the bug
10:58	<Smoovious>	this one? -> <DorpsGek> -Fix (r10271): transparency menu option wasn't moved properly in the scenario editor
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10:58	<Chris82>	yeah I think it's this one
10:58	<Chris82>	I wasn't aware of the bug since I never use the scenario editor, but I've read the log
10:58	<Chris82>	Smoovious: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32698 is the IN :)
10:59	<Smoovious>	thnx
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11:00	<Smoovious>	Chris82... next build you make, try out FS#954 ...
11:01	<Chris82>	is that the chat thing?
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11:02	<Smoovious>	nope... mail subsidies
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11:02	<Smoovious>	the old code, ignored mail c ompletely
11:03	<Chris82>	oh I'll have a look at it, I was testing the subsidy distance patch too
11:03	<Chris82>	but I think I will make it behave a little differently
11:03	<Chris82>	because the patch assumes that you play large maps with few towns
11:03	<Chris82>	but when you play a huge map with many towns you'll get an extreme amount of subsidy offers
11:04	<Smoovious>	well, my original plan was to redo subsidies completely... but I'm holding off on that til I know if cargo types and handling get changed
11:04	<Chris82>	http://openttd.sandra-bullock.co.uk/public/save/ the two stability-test are the current stable ones
11:04	<Chris82>	I am just looking for the crashing game
11:04	<Smoovious>	nah, subsidies are limited to how many are active at any time
11:04	<Chris82>	I hope that I didn't just have an autosave which I've overwritten :/
11:05	<Chris82>	ah ok didn't know that, I thought the patch was just increasing the distance and there is no limit to the overall amount
11:05	[~]	Smoovious nods.
11:06	<@peter1138>	Smoovious: what would change with cargo types & handling?
11:06	<Smoovious>	one thing I was going to try to do was gradually increase the max distance for subsidies, to go along with the faster vehicles later
11:07	<Chris82>	hmmmm I just loaded a game with lots of twin single engine trains
11:07	<Chris82>	and obviously a lot of the trains are too old but I get Train 0 blah blah warnings
11:07	<Chris82>	wasn't that a know bug that should be fixed?
11:07	<Smoovious>	peter1138... well... from what I saw so far, the cargo types are pre-defined... CT_GOODS, CT_COAL, etc... cities were previously hardcoded for only CT_PASSENGERS, when they weren't the only city-based cargo type
11:07	<@peter1138>	ah
11:08	<Smoovious>	so... what would happen when we are able to use the new cargo-path GRF's in the future... need some kind of lookup at game-start, for all of the cargo types in the game, and which ones can be h andled by towns, etc
11:08	<@peter1138>	but it's based on 'town effect' now
11:09	<Smoovious>	with TE_PASSENGERS, and TE_MAIL defined...
11:09	<@peter1138>	TE_GOODS, TE_FOOD, etc, yes
11:09	<Smoovious>	still doesn't allow for additional types
11:09	<@peter1138>	why not?
11:10	<Smoovious>	I haven't seen anywhere that would check for them
11:10	<@peter1138>	ecnomy & subsidies, basically
11:11	<Smoovious>	say for example, a new cargo path of gravel, cement, concrete... and concrete can be accepted by towns, for example... none of those types are enum'd
11:12	<@peter1138>	wrong
11:12	<@peter1138>	if it was accepted by towns, it would have the town effect of goods
11:12	<@peter1138>	so it would have TE_GOODS set
11:13	<Smoovious>	what about Goods thten
11:13	<@peter1138>	goods also has TE_GOODS
11:13	<Smoovious>	how can you check to see how much has been delivered, if they're both using the same type
11:13	<@peter1138>	huh?
11:13	<@peter1138>	town effect is a property of the cargo
11:14	<Smoovious>	ok
11:14	<@peter1138>	you deliver gravel, which has a town effect of goods
11:14	<Smoovious>	cement
11:14	<Smoovious>	er
11:14	<Smoovious>	concrete
11:14	<@peter1138>	er, yeah
11:14	<Smoovious>	gravel + cement goes to the concrete mixer, and concrete delivers to towns :D
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11:16	<Smoovious>	ok... so when the destination town is queried to find out how much concrete has been delivered there to see if it is eligible for a subsidy, it will be able to tell we're referring to concrete and not goods/
11:16	[~]	Bjarni avoids getting into that town
11:16	<@Bjarni>	it looks like they are able to give concrete shoes to just about everybody
11:17	<@peter1138>	Smoovious: yes
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11:17	<Smoovious>	skateboard parks are huge in that town
11:17	<Smoovious>	ok, peter1138
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11:19	<Smoovious>	towns will still only check for pass (and mail with my patch)... any more flexible way to lookup what a town can produce?
11:19	<Smoovious>	like... trash to go to a landfill or incinerator industry?
11:19	<@peter1138>	only check for pass doing what?
11:20	<Smoovious>	for making a subsidy
11:20	<@peter1138>	ahh
11:20	<@peter1138>	cos they assume towns produce passengers and everything else comes from an industry...
11:21	<Smoovious>	(mail gets ignored a lot as cargo... don't even think I've seen the AI make a mail run)
11:21	[~]	Smoovious nods.
11:21	<Smoovious>	I know
11:21	<Smoovious>	that's why I made my patch
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11:23	<@peter1138>	i guess a new town effect would do that
11:24	<Smoovious>	just a function where I could lookup what a town produces and accepts, would be good... could base subsidies on that, and when newcargoes come in, it should already be ready for them
11:24	<Smoovious>	or even if I can look through the cargo list, for a town flag
11:25	<@peter1138>	not so easy
11:25	<Smoovious>	accepts or supplies
11:25	<@peter1138>	well we could record what cargo types a town has produced
11:26	<@peter1138>	would only need a bitmask i guess
11:26	<@peter1138>	hmm
11:26	<@peter1138>	unless it stops producing that type
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11:26	<Smoovious>	well... the town tiles all have values of 1/4pass, 1/8mail and stuff like that... on game start, couldn't the list be generated t hen?
11:26	<Phazorx>	Smoovious> this one? -> <DorpsGek> -Fix (r10271): transparency menu option wasn't moved properly in the scenario editor
11:26	<Phazorx>	it's there in 295
11:26	<Phazorx>	was there another fix?
11:26	<@peter1138>	no, because towns... grow
11:27	<@peter1138>	Phazorx: 10271 is the revision it is fixing
11:27	<Smoovious>	they still use town tiles
11:27	<Phazorx>	ahh
11:27	<Phazorx>	gotach peter1138
11:27	<Smoovious>	how does a town know what tiles/sprites it can use?
11:28	<Smoovious>	when it comes to newgrf additions
11:29	<@peter1138>	all manner of decisions
11:30	<@peter1138>	but also town production can be variable with no way of knowing in advance what will be produced
11:30	<Smoovious>	except for the tiles a town can use
11:30	<hylje>	:o
11:31	<Smoovious>	the town tiles, are set up with their pass/mail values, aren't they? so a house's values are one set, and an office building is another set
11:31	<Smoovious>	for that matter, industry tiles do too, to a point
11:32	<@peter1138>	no
11:32	<@peter1138>	not for newgrf :)
11:33	<Smoovious>	not yet :)
11:34	<Smoovious>	my thinking is... if I can find those values out by using the ? tool, I should also be able to find it out wiithin the program
11:34	<@peter1138>	that shows you what they accept
11:34	<@peter1138>	not produce
11:35	<Smoovious>	half of the battle
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11:35	<@peter1138>	not really, acceptance is a totally different kettle of fish to production
11:35	<hylje>	i has a bucket
11:35	<Smoovious>	to a point
11:35	<eekee>	:D
11:36	<Smoovious>	how would a station know how many passengers or mail to produce to be transported then
11:36	<@peter1138>	stations don't produce cargo
11:36	<hylje>	it queries the buildings around them and buildings go either "got nuthin lol" or "lol take these"
11:37	<@peter1138>	town tiles produce cargo and 'deliver' it to the station
11:37	<Smoovious>	thank you, hylje
11:37	<hylje>	no problem
11:37	<hylje>	although pedantric people would go around correcting that
11:38	<Prof_Frink>	pedantic*
11:38	<Smoovious>	so, there is a way to do it
11:38	<@peter1138>	yes, but it's different every time
11:38	<Smoovious>	so?
11:38	<Smoovious>	I don't need to know how much are being produced... only that they are being produced
11:39	<@peter1138>	so you don't know what will be produced
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11:39	<@peter1138>	no, what cargo types will be produced is random (or rather based on random values)
11:40	<Smoovious>	the town's array stores stats about pass and mail production, and how much has been delivered, etc... but doesn't allow for anything else
11:40	<hylje>	btw
11:40	<hylje>	to the newgrf settings dialog
11:40	<@peter1138>	correct. we can change that thouhg.