TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:06:23

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03:43	<Hendikins>	Hrm, I'm finding ottd runs much better on the 64bit box
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03:45	<@peter1138>	does it happen to also be faster?
03:45	<Hendikins>	Actually, no
03:46	<Hendikins>	This is a 1600MHz Sempron (64bit) vs a 2000MHz Barton (32bit), both with 1 gig RAM
03:46	<Hendikins>	(The 32bit machine is dualproc, but that isn't particularly relevant)
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04:04	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: KUDr * r10292 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix: suppress VC 7.1 warning: "\src\texteff.cpp(251) : warning C4258: 'y' : definition from the for loop is ignored; the definition from the enclosing scope is used" which prevents compilation on MSVC 2003
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04:43	<stillunknown>	Hendikins: The amd64 architecture is faster per mhz, and ofcource the usage of int64 doesn't hinder a 64bits arch.
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04:49	<TrueBrain>	@op
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04:54	<stillunknown>	Can functions inherit like classes can?
04:54	<eekee>	what would they inherit?
04:55	<stillunknown>	A piece of common code.
04:55	<stillunknown>	But now that i think of it, it would be strange.
04:55	<eekee>	yeah ^^'
04:56	<eekee>	I'd guess to move the common code to an inline func
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04:58	<stillunknown>	Hello Osai.
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05:01	<Osai>	hi
05:01	<stillunknown>	eekee: if i inline a virtual function into a non-virtual function, will that even work?
05:01	<eekee>	stillunknown: ok now I'm lost :)
05:02	<stillunknown>	I'm considering a two stage vehicle controller, one with common code, which then calls the second stage.
05:02	<stillunknown>	Obviously the second needs differs greatly between the vehicles, and that needs to be virtual.
05:02	<stillunknown>	So i can define different functions for different vehicle types/
05:04	<eekee>	why are you tryig to do it in one function?
05:04	<stillunknown>	Make the code more pretty and reduce code duplication.
05:05	<stillunknown>	I already have a single tick function, next task would be the controller.
05:06	<Noldo>	so a vehiclecontroller class with specific ones derived from that?
05:06	<eekee>	sounds like a job for a class, yeah
05:06	<stillunknown>	Obviously those functions are in the vehicle class.
05:06	<eekee>	Oh & IMHO, great big 'megafunctions' are never pretty :D
05:07	<stillunknown>	I don't want great megafunctions, i even cut up the TrainController, since it was too large for my taste.
05:07	<Hendikins>	growl nothing more annoying than industries and towns that seem impossible to bribe when trying to build a straight, level express line
05:07	<eekee>	/me's "I hate OOP" swtich just tripped
05:07	<eekee>	heh
05:07	<eekee>	Hendikins: patience works 8)
05:08	<eekee>	stillunknown: sounds like you want to subclass the vehicle class, am I right?
05:08	<stillunknown>	This is already done.
05:08	<Hendikins>	So does cloning pax trains in the mean time because 40 isn't enough
05:08	<stillunknown>	In trunk.
05:08	<eekee>	heheh
05:09	[~]	eekee blinks
05:09	<eekee>	Augh I give up, lol
05:10	<eekee>	Ugh, brain won't stop. Can't you subclass the subclasses? I thought that was a principle of OOP...
05:10	<stillunknown>	The subclasses in place are fine.
05:11	<stillunknown>	I'm just considering what to do with aircraft, they work very differently from everything else.
05:11	<eekee>	no, they're not, because they're preventing you from implementing your vehicle controller
05:12	<stillunknown>	I currently have a virtual vehicle controller, defined for each type.
05:12	<eekee>	nvm
05:12	<@peter1138>	2.48 12.14 0.56 3851 0.00 0.00 CargoPacket::AllocateRaw()
05:12	<@peter1138>	0.00 22.37 0.00 3851 0.00 0.00 CargoPacket::AllocateRaw()
05:12	<@peter1138>	better ;)
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05:13	<Wolf01>	hello
05:13	<stillunknown>	eekee: Most controller functions are predicable, increase tick counter, check for crash, check for reverse, do loading stuff
05:13	<eekee>	mmhmm
05:14	<Wolf01>	now i'm a lucky owner of transport tycoon, after a difficult search i found it!
05:14	<eekee>	yay!
05:14	<stillunknown>	eekee: But currently the controller's have varying names and sometimes stuff is in the wrong place.
05:15	<eekee>	ahh, & you're trying to clean it up
05:15	<stillunknown>	I'm going to do as much cleanup as i can, then i'll force someone to put it into trunk ;-)
05:15	<eekee>	haha!
05:16	<eekee>	Well, all I can say is that cleaning up often requires changing the structure, hence my comment that maybe the current subclassing isn't "just fine" & may need to be subclassed futher
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05:17	<stillunknown>	Maybe for aircraft
05:17	<stillunknown>	helicopter and aircraft issue
05:17	<eekee>	ah right nod
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05:19	<@peter1138>	hmm
05:19	<@peter1138>	wtf
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05:20	<@peter1138>	no idea :o
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05:22	<Biff>	hmm, what is "FS"?
05:22	<XeryusTC>	fly spray
05:22	<Biff>	ah
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05:25	<dihedral>	mornin
05:26	<eekee>	ahoy hoy
05:26	<dihedral>	aye
05:27	<dihedral>	my word - it was a little too late for my tast :-P
05:27	<dihedral>	+e
05:28	<eekee>	yeah, heh
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05:46	<@TrueBrain>	lalalala
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05:48	<@peter1138>	4 las?
05:49	<@TrueBrain>	I was bored
05:50	<@peter1138>	i see
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05:58	[~]	Hendikins wonders why his dual head T.I.M.s aren't being replaced with dual head AsiaStars, even though they're supposed to be getting replaced and the trains are going to depots
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06:02	<Chris82>	good morning
06:02	<Chris82>	does it help city growth when I build roads for them?
06:02	<@TrueBrain>	a bit, not much
06:03	<@TrueBrain>	the town-groth sometimes trades house-building for road-building
06:03	<@TrueBrain>	but that is all
06:03	<Chris82>	ok then I can save myself a lot of time :D
06:04	<Hendikins>	Is autoreplace supposed to ignore dual head + dual end trains?
06:05	[~]	Hendikins would really not like to have to manually upgrade 150-odd trains
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06:06	<dihedral>	TrueBrain: saw you patched the smooth_economy stuff :-)
06:07	<Chris82>	Hendikins I though that was a bug that got fixed recently
06:08	[~]	Hendikins svn ups to latest
06:08	[~]	Hendikins was at r10201 or so.
06:08	<dihedral>	nice
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06:18	<Hendikins>	Chris82: Apparently not.
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06:18	<Hendikins>	Even with r10292 my dual head T.I.M.s are not being autoreplaced.
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06:29	<dihedral>	does autoclean_protected = 0 in the mean time mean that protected companies are never purged?
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06:32	<Haclet>	Hi
06:32	<Haclet>	I have question
06:32	<Haclet>	What the timetable is ?
06:32	<Haclet>	How can I use it?
06:33	<dihedral>	by downloading the latest nightly (or anything as of r10269)
06:33	<Haclet>	It new future or was before and I didn't see it ?
06:33	<dihedral>	new... very new
06:33	<dihedral>	4 days perhaps
06:33	<Haclet>	WOW :)
06:33	<Haclet>	So - how can I use it ?
06:33	<dihedral>	but you need a nightly build not a stable build... openttd.org/nightly i believe
06:34	<Haclet>	I have last version from SVN
06:34	<dihedral>	good
06:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Haclet: open train orders window, on the top right there is timetable
06:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	then assign a time for each item
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06:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	if the train takes less time than that, it will wait
06:34	<Haclet>	Yes I know where it is, but how can I use IT ?
06:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	time is in days
06:35	<Haclet>	so that means that I can set for example 10days for coal, 5 days for something else ?
06:35	<dihedral>	just try it :-)
06:35	<Haclet>	dihedral: GOOOD Answer -
06:35	<eekee>	lol
06:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	you can e.g. tell your slow freight trains to wait at a station, while an express train is scheduled to pass through and overtake
06:35	<Haclet>	As soon as I will have tami
06:36	<Haclet>	time
06:36	<eekee>	TT's always had a "try it & see" interface, lol
06:36	<eekee>	:)
06:36	<Haclet>	take care - I have to do some diuties - no games for this moment ;)
06:36	<Haclet>	eekee: right LOL
06:36	<eekee>	^^;
06:36	<Haclet>	thank you
06:36	<Haclet>	see you soon
06:36	<Haclet>	bye
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06:37	<Chris82>	Hendikins: Hmm that dual train bug is weird. The dual head trains in the DB Set XL are replaced without problems.
06:37	[~]	eekee tries it
06:38	<dihedral>	i thought it was a good answer :-)
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06:38	<dihedral>	a "learn by doing" answer
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06:40	<Chris82>	I used the time table on an extremely huge passenger circle line on a 2048x2048 map
06:40	<Chris82>	it works well to keep a an approx. set distance between the trains
06:40	<Chris82>	so I don't have 50 trains in one corner of the circle line but instead spread all over the line
06:41	<dihedral>	would be cool if the station rating changed depending on if a train is how late or on time :-)
06:41	<Chris82>	I don't know how useful it is for express / cargo train issues, I never use the same tracks for passenger and cargo lines
06:41	<dihedral>	or the town's rating
06:43	<@peter1138>	getting the time table right is tricky
06:43	[~]	Chris82 nods
06:43	<dihedral>	unfort yes
06:43	<Chris82>	but I think once I figured all the tricks out it becomes a great and useful feature
06:43	<dihedral>	i would be cool if there was an 'history'
06:43	<Chris82>	right now it's more trial and error :p
06:44	<dihedral>	all trains in this shared order too an average of x days for this
06:44	<eekee>	Trains only get replaced when they go in for servicing, right?
06:44	<dihedral>	aye
06:44	<Chris82>	with auto replace?
06:44	<dihedral>	aye
06:44	<Chris82>	they get replaced whenever you set the option
06:45	<Chris82>	servicing can be disabled that's no problem in the latest nightlies (was before tho)
06:45	<dihedral>	Chris82: they still have to visit a depot to get replaced!
06:45	<Chris82>	yes sure
06:45	<eekee>	mine aren't going into the depot at all O.o
06:45	<Chris82>	but you don't need to send them there and enable servicing
06:45	<eekee>	may be a 'fault' in my test track, but I don't see it
06:45	<Chris82>	huh? you must have a depot somewhere on your tracks, otherwise how did you build the trains?
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06:46	<dihedral>	you have breakdowns turned off?
06:46	<dihedral>	and possible service if breackdowns are off = disabled?
06:46	<Chris82>	I have breakdowns off and disabled servicing. But auto replace works fine anyway.
06:47	<Chris82>	It didn't in earlier versions of auto replace because then trains only got replaced on the normal service intervals.
06:47	<Chris82>	But as I said that's no issue in the latest nightlies
06:47	<eekee>	Oh, my trains were waiting for the servicing interval to come up
06:47	<eekee>	oh
06:47	<eekee>	hm
06:47	<Chris82>	which version are you using?
06:48	<eekee>	r10201
06:49	<Chris82>	then auto replace should definitely work without servicing
06:49	<eekee>	It didn't :)
06:49	<Chris82>	can you send me a savegame?
06:49	<Chris82>	so I can see if I find an error in the network
06:49	<eekee>	Well, servicing was enabled, maybe when dervicing is disabled it works differently -- sure
06:50	<Chris82>	well but if it works with servicing disabled and doesn't work with enabled servicing it would be really weird
06:51	<eekee>	sending
06:51	<eekee>	yeah, but possible :D
06:51	<Chris82>	did you try to DCC me?
06:51	<eekee>	yeah
06:51	<Chris82>	that is disabled here
06:51	<Chris82>	can you upload it?
06:51	<eekee>	oh
06:51	<eekee>	sure!
06:53	<eekee>	http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ethan.grammatikidis/eekee-veh-replace-test.sav
06:56	<Chris82>	hmmm interesting
06:57	<Chris82>	they are not replaced indeed but there's no way this track has pathfinding problems
06:58	<Chris82>	it only works when I send them manually to servicing
06:58	<Chris82>	otherwise nothing happens
06:58	<Chris82>	that is strange
07:00	<Chris82>	this might be the dual head problem Hendikins spoke about before
07:00	<Chris82>	steam and single head electrified railway is replaced properly
07:00	<eekee>	Yes. I was playing with Hendikins, I replaced single-headers fine earlier in the same game with r10201
07:02	<Chris82>	hmm I will try if I can reproduce that in a game I created myself
07:02	<eekee>	Incidentally I made that test with r10201, perhaps the error hangs on from the old version? r9936 or therabouts had a problem with ufo shadows persisting after the ufo had blown up, & you load up a save game with those shadows in a newer version & then shadows are still there
07:04	<@Bjarni>	can anybody tell me the name of a known good industry newGRF?
07:04	<@Bjarni>	known good as in "works with trunk"
07:04	<@peter1138>	uh none?
07:04	<@Bjarni>	that would explain why this didn't work
07:05	<eekee>	trunk supports new industies now?
07:05	<@peter1138>	no
07:05	<@Bjarni>	I guess not
07:05	<eekee>	o ok
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07:14	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	wasn't there a purely graphical factory replacement? :p
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07:18	<eekee>	oh graphical replacement works, yeah. The Mars grf does that, on openttd
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07:45	<Smoovious>	I think I have that graphical factory replacement if ya want it
07:46	<Caemyr>	?
07:47	<Smoovious>	answering something someone else said 30min ago
07:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	ugh... that lightning was close...
07:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Smoovious: i don't think that was what he actually asked for :p
07:50	<Smoovious>	oh sorry, my bad.... >moves it a few miles further north<
07:50	<Smoovious>	that was to you, Eddi\|zuHause3. :P
07:51	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i was only replying to something else
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07:51	<Smoovious>	brb
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07:51	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and the question was rhethorical... hence the ":p"
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08:07	<Smoovious>	ib
08:08	<Smoovious>	yeah, but I tend to play straight-man a lot... a lot of things are funnier when there's one person who acts like h e doesn't get it. :D
08:09	<dihedral>	is there any way one could get a screenshot from the intro screen with out the menu in front?
08:10	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yes, rename the .dat to .sav and load it
08:10	<dihedral>	:-) thanks
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08:45	<kaan>	hi all
08:47	<@TrueBrain>	hi kaan
08:48	<dihedral>	hello
08:52	<kaan>	:)
08:52	<kaan>	so what new breathtaking features sneaked into trunk since i went to bed last noght?
08:52	<kaan>	night*
08:55	<dihedral>	network_udp.cpp: FOR_ALL_CLIENTS(cs)
08:55	<dihedral>	how are they sorted
08:55	<@TrueBrain>	not
08:55	<dihedral>	i.e. latest join first?
08:55	<dihedral>	ok
08:55	<dihedral>	thx
09:01	<stillunknown>	OTTD is a mess in some ways, but i suppose you all knew that.
09:01	<@TrueBrain>	depends on to what you refer
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09:02	<stillunknown>	There is consistency between vehicle functions.
09:02	<stillunknown>	One does DoThis()
09:02	<stillunknown>	other: Don'tDoThis()
09:02	<stillunknown>	yet another: DoThis(i want more args)
09:03	<stillunknown>	Also there is no well defined structure were things should be done.
09:03	<stillunknown>	Either in a tick, or in the vehicle controller, etc.
09:03	<@TrueBrain>	so you only complain about lack of documentation
09:03	<stillunknown>	But don't worry, i'm doing my best ;-)
09:03	<@TrueBrain>	that you can resolve yourself :)
09:04	<stillunknown>	I'm busy restructuring some things.
09:04	<@TrueBrain>	I am hungry, but as I am going on vacation, I don't really feel like buying new stuff, so I only have things I don't like to eat that much...
09:04	<@TrueBrain>	annoying :)
09:05	<kaan>	well, find the stuff in the back and eat it with your eyes closed then :P
09:06	<@TrueBrain>	I don't have stuff 'in the back'
09:06	<@TrueBrain>	I am a pretty clean guy :)
09:06	<@TrueBrain>	I think :p
09:06	<kaan>	i meant like canned fish or something
09:06	<@TrueBrain>	aawwwhhhh :p
09:06	<@TrueBrain>	aa = oo
09:07	<kaan>	or make pasta with kethup
09:07	<@TrueBrain>	I hate pasta
09:07	<@TrueBrain>	really, I do
09:07	<kaan>	hehe, theres no pleaseing you i guess
09:07	<@TrueBrain>	nope :)
09:07	<@TrueBrain>	yeah, good patches
09:07	<@TrueBrain>	that pleases me :)
09:08	<kaan>	well im fresh out ;)
09:08	<eekee>	Tuna + bread == meal :d
09:08	<kaan>	eekee: exactly!
09:08	<eekee>	:D
09:08	<eekee>	need a lil bit of veg too, but can skip it
09:09	<kaan>	TrueBrain: where are you going on vacation?
09:09	<@TrueBrain>	France! Viva La France!
09:09	<eekee>	where's the trancparency options gone?
09:09	<kaan>	nice
09:09	<@TrueBrain>	eekee: where it should have been all along
09:09	<@TrueBrain>	eekee: try to look in the most logic place to find it :)
09:09	<eekee>	TrueBrain: What, under map? Oh I know, under config
09:10	<kaan>	then you should get good food :D
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09:10	<eekee>	ya tee why
09:10	<@TrueBrain>	eekee: exactly :) Under map wasn't really... logic :p
09:10	<eekee>	shrugs It made sense to me :) But then it wasn't with the other view options
09:11	<@TrueBrain>	it made sense to you?!
09:11	<@TrueBrain>	iek!
09:11	<stillunknown>	I never found the old place, i noticed it a day or two ago for the first time.
09:14	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	<TrueBrain> France! Viva La France! <- it's "vive la france", isn't it?
09:14	<@TrueBrain>	who cares
09:14	<Smoovious>	TrueBrain... do you still put together openttd .torrents?
09:15	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	viva sounds more like italian
09:15	<@TrueBrain>	hmm, torrents
09:15	<@TrueBrain>	I should update them
09:16	<Smoovious>	well, reason I ask is I keep a client (2 actually) running 24/7... if ya want someone to help seed, I'm willing... can set something up to autoload them
09:16	<@TrueBrain>	feel free :)
09:16	<Smoovious>	do you have them on an rss?
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09:17	<@TrueBrain>	nope, the page you see there is all we have
09:18	<Smoovious>	oh...
09:18	<Smoovious>	well, will see what I can set up when ya get back
09:19	<Smoovious>	and thnx for the commit. :D
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10:02	<Phazorx>	can anyone suggest a way to debug hard crashes?
10:02	<Phazorx>	it gets very anoying and isnt responce to my actions since last few times i been idle
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10:12	<@TrueBrain>	so, what next....
10:12	<stillunknown>	Phazorx: does it give asserts?
10:12	<Phazorx>	stillunknown: hard crush
10:12	<Phazorx>	CTD
10:12	<Phazorx>	*crash
10:13	<stillunknown>	Run it in a debugger, backtrace it when it crashes.
10:13	<Phazorx>	win32 here :/
10:13	<Phazorx>	i guess gdb from mingw would do
10:15	<stillunknown>	But don't expect to run any mega games in a usefull way.
10:15	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	compile with debug symbols first...
10:16	<stillunknown>	Because a debug build isn't optimized or stripped of it's symbols.
10:16	<Phazorx>	Eddi\|zuHause3: i might ened more detailed instructions
10:16	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	./configure --help?
10:16	<@TrueBrain>	./configure --enable-debug is enough :p
10:17	<Phazorx>	nothing fancy like linking gdb?
10:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	gdb should be already installed
10:17	<Phazorx>	not in mingw here
10:17	<Phazorx>	which is what came with bottd
10:18	<@TrueBrain>	that we can't help/fix/solve
10:18	<@TrueBrain>	:)
10:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	then install it :)
10:18	<Phazorx>	i'l get gdb
10:18	<Phazorx>	once i fugure out how i can branch local svn copies
10:18	<Phazorx>	s
10:18	<Phazorx>	so i have latest with profiling along with 10170
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10:22	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	md openttd-r#####; cd openttd-r#####; svn export <URL> -r #####
10:23	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	if you intend to svn update later, use svn checkout instead of svn export
10:24	<Phazorx>	Eddi\|zuHause3: i was hoping to avoid 2 sources
10:24	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	if you want to have different revisions, you need different sources...
10:25	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	but after compiling you can delete everything outside the bin/ dir
10:31	<Phazorx>	well that was a bad start
10:31	<Phazorx>	gdb fails to compile
10:32	<Phazorx>	in sys/time.h
10:32	<Phazorx>	weird
10:33	<+glx>	gdb is included in msys
10:35	<+glx>	mingw32-gdb.exe
10:35	<Phazorx>	wasnt ehre
10:38	<Ammler>	Phazorx: you can also reconfigure with revision=rXXXXX, but I would also suggest to use more than one source
10:39	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Phazorx: but you don't need to compile it
10:39	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Ammler: that will never work correctly...
10:40	<Ammler>	If the different sources not much behind, it worked for me well, at least I made it so long time
10:41	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Ammler: that was really just a coincidence
10:42	<Ammler>	indeed, last year I had some desyncs, but since I rejoined this year, it worked well
10:42	<Ammler>	now I work with different chckouts too
10:47	<Ammler>	32bpp is in the trunk now, but I miss one more zoom in step, how do I activate that?
10:48	<+glx>	code it
10:48	<Ammler>	but it was in the 32bpp already
10:48	<+glx>	the 32bpp in trunk is very different from the branch
10:51	<Phazorx>	ugm glx where do i get that debuger?
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10:51	<Smoovious>	Ortho makes a good debugger... .. .
10:53	<stillunknown>	I wonder why people bother with so called integrated builds, they end being ugly kludges that die after a while
10:54	<+glx>	Phazorx: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435&package_id=82721&release_id=158852
10:54	<Smoovious>	because they're good for testing things out that haven't made it into trunk yet
10:54	<Phazorx>	thank you
10:55	<stillunknown>	But identifying bugs is troublesome with many patches.
10:55	<stillunknown>	And some people use it just to use it.
10:55	<Smoovious>	it isn't testing specific bugs, but for overall usability, and how they interact with each other
10:56	<Smoovious>	there's more to testing than looking for errors
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10:57	<Smoovious>	they make integrateds for the same reason they make branches...
10:57	<Smoovious>	don't like em, don't use em, but they get something out of it, even if you can't see it
10:57	<stillunknown>	But branches are for the purpose of eventually being merged back, and they are usually by one or a small group of authors.
10:57	<Smoovious>	so?
10:58	<stillunknown>	It's a temporary fork, which is bound to die.
10:58	<Smoovious>	again... so?
10:59	<Smoovious>	people like to try out stuff... what's so hard to understand about that?
10:59	<stillunknown>	It's better to spend time to get 10-15% of those patches included in trunk, much better on the long run.
11:00	<eekee>	P0otentially much more boring though :d
11:00	<Smoovious>	and branches are for the purpose of trying stuff out without messing up the trunk... a branch is not necessarily intended to be merged back... some do... more often than not, they don't
11:00	<Smoovious>	better according to who?
11:01	<Smoovious>	do y ou really think people don't intend for their patches to make it into t runk?
11:01	<stillunknown>	Most people do, but a lot don't enter.
11:01	<Smoovious>	so what?
11:02	<Smoovious>	you're not quite onto the whole concept of what open source i s, are ya?
11:02	<Smoovious>	people h ave the freedom to try things out...
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11:02	<Smoovious>	if they get added into trunk, fine, but the majority of patches offered, don't make it into trunk
11:04	<stillunknown>	But maintaining a large combination of patches on a fast moving target like openttd, is a bad idea imo.
11:04	<Smoovious>	if nothing else, it is a learning experience for the people involved... and even if they don't make it into trunk, the process has been very valuable for them...
11:04	<Smoovious>	I disagree... I see it as a very good idea
11:04	<@TrueBrain>	good ... bad .... it has its ups and its downs
11:05	<Smoovious>	and very positive for the project
11:05	<Smoovious>	if people weren't trying out new things independently, would t he project be as far along as it is now?
11:05	<eekee>	It's a game, development is unpaid, if the developers don't get to have their fun as & when the fancy, who would code it at all?
11:06	<Smoovious>	free your mind. :)
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11:08	<stillunknown>	I like an active community as well.
11:08	<Smoovious>	then quit bitching about it being active. :P
11:09	<Smoovious>	someone wouldn't let you play on their server, is that it? cuz, I don't get what the problem is
11:10	<@TrueBrain>	I am bored
11:10	<stillunknown>	I never even touch patch builds, so that's not the problem.
11:10	<Smoovious>	when do you split for France?
11:10	<@TrueBrain>	in 5 days
11:10	<Smoovious>	stillunknown... youor choice
11:10	<Smoovious>	TrueBrain... how long ya gonna be gone for?
11:10	<@TrueBrain>	12days
11:10	<Smoovious>	not bad...
11:10	<@TrueBrain>	indeed :)
11:11	<Smoovious>	whatcha planning to do once ya get there?
11:11	<@TrueBrain>	travel
11:11	<@TrueBrain>	enjoy
11:11	<@TrueBrain>	do nothing
11:11	<Smoovious>	just see where the current takes you/
11:11	<@TrueBrain>	I have a car
11:11	<@TrueBrain>	so , yeah
11:11	<Smoovious>	nice
11:12	<Smoovious>	I hate scheduled vacations myself... like to do the random drive...
11:12	<eekee>	Yeah me too ^_^
11:12	<Smoovious>	end up finding much more interesting places that way
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11:13	<@TrueBrain>	yup
11:13	<@TrueBrain>	so we will see :)
11:13	<Smoovious>	hope ya have a good time
11:13	<@TrueBrain>	hmm, a desert that is 3 weeks over its date...
11:13	<@TrueBrain>	let's try it
11:13	<dihedral>	aye - from here too
11:14	<@TrueBrain>	tnx, I will :)
11:14	<@TrueBrain>	but I ahve 2 days left of coding :p
11:14	<@TrueBrain>	and I am bored to dead
11:14	<dihedral>	TrueBrain: when you start dreaming ottd stuff - you know you need another few days away :-D
11:14	<dihedral>	why are you bored?
11:15	<@TrueBrain>	it smells okay
11:15	<@TrueBrain>	it tastes oky
11:15	<@TrueBrain>	can I assume it is okay?
11:15	<Smoovious>	what is it?
11:15	<dihedral>	what are you looking at?
11:15	<@TrueBrain>	a desert
11:15	<dihedral>	if its milk or meat and its off itll make you through up
11:15	<dihedral>	how old is it?
11:15	<Phazorx>	ouch
11:15	<@TrueBrain>	5 weeks old, 3 weeks over its date :p
11:15	<Phazorx>	20887629 Jun 23 12:15 openttd.exe
11:15	<Phazorx>	20M lol
11:16	<Smoovious>	was it frozen?
11:16	<dihedral>	depends on how nice you want your holiday to be
11:16	<@TrueBrain>	not frozeh
11:16	<Smoovious>	yeah, better be on the safe side this close to departure and just toss it
11:16	<@TrueBrain>	I hate dates on stuff
11:16	<@TrueBrain>	it is never correct
11:16	<@TrueBrain>	nah
11:16	<@TrueBrain>	I am eating it :)
11:16	<dihedral>	if you dont mind stopping the car every 5 mins to take a dump... go ahead :-D
11:16	[~]	Smoovious shakes his head.
11:16	<kaan>	good luck with that TrueBrain
11:17	<dihedral>	what people do when they are bored
11:17	<@TrueBrain>	and it tastest gooooooddd!!! :)
11:17	<dihedral>	lets just wait a day or 2 and see if your stomach sais the same
11:17	<stillunknown>	Sick countdown: 20 minutes ;-)
11:17	<@TrueBrain>	will let you know :)
11:17	<kaan>	id rather not know :P
11:18	<dihedral>	just spare the details will ya
11:18	<@TrueBrain>	no pictures?
11:18	<@TrueBrain>	darn!
11:18	<Smoovious>	try and take video of it when ya hurl
11:18	<dihedral>	knock yourself out
11:18	<eekee>	lololol
11:21	<@TrueBrain>	okay, I tossed it out
11:21	<kaan>	quitter! :P
11:21	<kaan>	so what else hides in the back where you found that?
11:22	<Smoovious>	find a !tasty spot?
11:22	<@TrueBrain>	that was all
11:22	<@TrueBrain>	cleaning the fridge :)
11:22	<@TrueBrain>	only thing I have left is a 3 months old cheese
11:22	<@TrueBrain>	but it was too young when I bought it
11:22	<kaan>	cheese is good
11:23	<@TrueBrain>	it sure is!
11:23	<dihedral>	TrueBrain: cleanning out the fridge usually does not mean you have to eat it all too
11:23	<@TrueBrain>	dihedral: the content of my fridge is pretty harmless
11:23	<dihedral>	what content the is not?
11:23	<Smoovious>	usually a bad time for random snacking too
11:24	<dihedral>	lol
11:24	<Smoovious>	sometimes I find something so old, and can't figure out why I would have ever bought it in the first place, much less when
11:25	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i do not like cheese...
11:26	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	except when baked on pizza or similar...
11:26	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	damn, now i am hungry :)
11:26	<kaan>	me too
11:26	<kaan>	i better get something
11:27	<@TrueBrain>	kaan: look luck with the back of your fridge :)
11:28	<kaan>	lucky me i cleaned it out yesterday
11:28	<kaan>	i think it will be pate on bread :D
11:28	<@TrueBrain>	enjoy :)
11:29	<kaan>	or maybe canned fish :)
11:32	<dihedral>	radio just said there was a tornado in frankfurt!!
11:32	<dihedral>	hmmm
11:32	<dihedral>	interesting
11:33	<Smoovious>	would love to go weather-chasing one of these days
11:33	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	there was a tornado right in front of my window a while ago...
11:34	<dihedral>	r u in frankfurt?
11:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	no...
11:35	<dihedral>	well then
11:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	also... which frankfurt?
11:35	<dihedral>	:-)
11:35	<dihedral>	main
11:35	<dihedral>	i guess they would have explicitly stated it otherwise ;-)
11:35	<dihedral>	'where do you live then?
11:36	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	about half way between both :)
11:36	<dihedral>	lol
11:36	<@TrueBrain>	so between France and Germany