TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:06:18

---	Log	opened Mon Jun 18 00:00:40 2007
00:19	<Giddorah>	G'morning everyone :)
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00:51	<\|Gekkko\|>	Hey
00:51	<\|Gekkko\|>	i just got the latest nightly
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00:52	<Gekko>	trams are disabled?
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03:17	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: miham * r10196 /trunk/src/lang/ (japanese.txt slovenian.txt):
03:17	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-06-18 10:15:44
03:17	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: japanese - 2 fixed by ickoonite (2)
03:17	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: slovenian - 3 fixed by Necrolyte (3)
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04:54	<TrueBrain>	lalalaa
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05:27	<TrueBrain>	you guys are boring!
05:28	<Gekko>	No i"m not.
05:29	<TrueBrain>	proof me wrong ;)
05:30	<Gekko>	lol prove not proof
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05:31	<Gekko>	I like to fly planes upside down
05:31	<Gekko>	put that in OpenTTD
05:31	<Rubidium>	Gekko: trams are not enabled when you don't have a newgrf that adds trams
05:31	<Gekko>	Rubidium: I relised that :)
05:31	<Gekko>	wow nice typo I have there
05:31	<Gekko>	>_>
05:31	<Gekko>	realised.
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05:42	<eekee>	Can you make a truck with a null cargo, but refittable? I mean, could I make a GRF with chassis cab trucks refittable to carry wood / ore / coal/ etc?
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05:48	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10197 /trunk/src/ (45 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: replace int32 with CommandCost where appropriate.
05:48	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i see no reason why it shouldn't be
05:49	<Gekko>	eekee: sounds cool :)
05:49	<eekee>	^^
05:50	<Gekko>	eekee: you could make them carry 2 passengers initially
05:50	<Gekko>	two seats :P
05:50	<eekee>	hehe ya
05:50	<Gekko>	if people actually use it, they're idiots :)
05:50	<Gekko>	or me...
05:50	<Gekko>	lol
05:50	<eekee>	XD
05:50	<Gekko>	that sounds really cool though
05:51	<Gekko>	is there still a max. limit of vehicles that can be added to TTD?
05:51	<eekee>	I'm thinking of realism, & also freeing up road vehicle ID #s
05:51	<Gekko>	because that could be a way to minimize that problem.
05:51	<Gekko>	so you are on the same page as me :D
05:51	<eekee>	yep hehe, you can't actually /add/ any, only reuse numbers.
05:51	<Gekko>	goods truck could also be a food truck
05:51	<Gekko>	without looking odd.
05:52	<eekee>	Yeah & you can use 2nd company color to distinguish them. UKRS does that with it's train trucks
05:52	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yeah, like the wagons in the DBSet, they can be refitted to a lot of stuff
05:52	<Gekko>	Iron Ore and Steel in one truck
05:53	<Gekko>	Paper rolls in an oil tanker? xD
05:53	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	that wouldn't work very well...
05:53	<Gekko>	mail truck and a paper truck?
05:53	<eekee>	paper trucks in TTD are flat bed, so they go with steel, wood, etc
05:54	<Gekko>	that's daft
05:54	<Gekko>	wouldnt the paper blow away?
05:54	<Gekko>	xD
05:54	<eekee>	no it's on tonne+ reels :D
05:54	<Gekko>	lol
05:54	<Gekko>	I <3 Purno's 2cc railset
05:54	<Gekko>	which hasnt been released yet
05:55	<eekee>	ever visited a printing factory IRL? A real production one, not a museum keeping little old flatbed presses running
05:55	<Gekko>	yes
05:55	<Gekko>	yes i have
05:55	<eekee>	The paper reels an be 1-5 tonnes or more :D
05:55	<Gekko>	but I'm not quite away alright?
05:56	<Gekko>	awake...
05:56	<Gekko>	not away
05:56	<Gekko>	my brain is away
05:56	<eekee>	okay, fair enough
05:56	<Gekko>	will there ever be a point where more vehicles could be added?
05:57	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	if you program it...
05:57	<eekee>	someone sugested it in this thead in the TTDPatch graphics forums, & I think someone said it would break a lot of stuff. I'm always skeptical of such breakage claims, but they usually mean a lot more work would have to be put in
05:58	<Gekko>	because you'd have to tell everything that 5 isnt the last number
05:58	<Gekko>	7 is
05:59	<Gekko>	they'd all be like "BUT ITS BEEN 5 SINCE 1995! I AINT CHANGIN'."
05:59	<Gekko>	OpenTTD hits it with some trout, it's all good.
05:59	<eekee>	hehe
06:00	<Gekko>	10kb/s breaks my balls.
06:01	<eekee>	bahahahaha >D
06:01	<eekee>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=598232#598232
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06:01	<eekee>	That's in the TTDPatch gfx forum since that's where the thread that gave me the idea was
06:02	<Gekko>	lol
06:02	<Gekko>	high five.
06:03	<eekee>	^_^
06:04	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10198 /trunk/src/fileio.h: -Fix (r10194): did not search all search paths.
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06:08	<Purno>	Gekko , thanks
06:09	<Gekko>	:D
06:09	<Gekko>	when do you think it will be nearly complete?
06:09	<Gekko>	couple of months?
06:09	<Purno>	can't say
06:09	<Purno>	the coder will have very little time the coming years
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06:11	<eekee>	years? New baby? New job?
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06:16	<Gekko>	release the unclean code and allow someone to fix it?
06:16	<eekee>	It's probably already in an accessable branch isnt' it?
06:17	<eekee>	Hey does OTTD support new industries? I ask because I loaded up the mars conversion grf & the industries retained the Toyland names and... squeaks... D:
06:17	<Rubidium>	not yet, but it's under development
06:17	<eekee>	ok cool
06:18	<eekee>	I can still rename industries & cargos with action 4 can't I?
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06:19	<Maedhros>	cargos yes, industries no
06:23	<eekee>	dang :/
06:23	<eekee>	ah well
06:27	<eekee>	Can I restrict the available bridges for each track type, or or change the bridge speed / cost / length settings?
06:28	<@peter1138>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php?title=Peter1138/NewBridges
06:28	<@peter1138>	^^ that's how far i got with documenting my plans for bridges :o
06:29	<eekee>	k :D
06:29	<eekee>	LOL ok
06:30	<@peter1138>	actually i have a little more than that
06:30	<@peter1138>	but only a little;)
06:31	<eekee>	ok hehe
06:31	<@peter1138>	but speed, cost & length are adjustable, iirc
06:31	<@peter1138>	track type restriction isn't
06:31	<eekee>	ahh cool cool
06:33	<eekee>	I'm checking what can be done now, because I'm making a lunar 'climate' & would rather make it & get it out there than wait for new features
06:34	<Gekko>	I'm out peeps, cya later
06:34	<eekee>	bai!
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06:40	<Phazorx>	lunar climate?
06:41	<Phazorx>	no plains or combustion engine, 1/6th of gravity?
06:41	<Phazorx>	and ability to throw cargo rather than transporting some tiles away :)
06:41	<mikegrb>	just don't throw it too hard, might go into orbit
06:42	<Phazorx>	... and there is no water too as well as treess
06:42	<Phazorx>	and instead of nlo crashing/disasters you get lunahod robbing your trains
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06:42	<TheJosh>	hey all
06:44	<Phazorx>	hey
06:44	<eekee>	hiyya
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06:45	<eekee>	Phazorx: :D I didn't think of throwing or lunahod, but ya!
06:45	<Phazorx>	well it will be boring w/o it
06:45	<eekee>	:P
06:46	<Phazorx>	and instead of transmiter tower - appolo program remains and unremovable US banners
06:46	<eekee>	You want to code the throwing transport then? :D
06:46	<Phazorx>	actually i'd rather code something stats related
06:46	<Phazorx>	similar to long forgotten stats patch
06:47	<eekee>	fairy snuff
06:47	<Phazorx>	i have a feelign industries will be scarce there tho
06:48	<mikegrb>	a golf ball factory
06:49	<eekee>	XD
06:49	<eekee>	Phazorx: so should towns.....
06:49	<Ailure>	hmm
06:49	<Ailure>	imagine the industry chains
06:49	<Phazorx>	why ? little grays are crawling all other the place there
06:49	<Ailure>	if you had to include every minor industry in existance
06:49	<eekee>	hehehe
06:49	<eekee>	hehe Ailure
06:49	<Phazorx>	i can see cheese mine being a part of some chain for sure btw :)
06:50	<eekee>	pffff XD
06:50	<Phazorx>	gotta give props to Mr Jules Verne
06:50	<TheJosh>	hey i just did a svn update (to 10178) and it wont compile anymore
06:50	<eekee>	ooh yum, blue brie
06:50	<Phazorx>	heh that answers whether we want to test your patch btw :)
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06:51	<eekee>	^^;
06:51	<TheJosh>	no it was comipling before the update
06:51	<TheJosh>	ill test with a vanilla build
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06:52	<eekee>	funny, I thought I grabbed 10179 with svn but it's reading as 10178
06:53	<TheJosh>	there is a configure option to change that
06:54	<eekee>	oh?
06:54	<TheJosh>	now its compiling, but when i go to update the other one again, I get 'inconsistant newlines' so annoying
06:54	<TheJosh>	./configure -r i think
06:54	<eekee>	ah, ty
06:54	<hylje>	eekee: if the nightly revision is a commit elsewhere than trunk, trunk gets inconsistent revisions
06:54	<eekee>	oic!
06:55	<TheJosh>	all thorough it? its such a pain
06:55	<eekee>	ah no big deal then
06:55	<hylje>	eekee: compile farm sets the exact revision
06:55	<eekee>	(not for me anyway)
06:55	<TheJosh>	it only happens to my texteff.cpp
06:55	<hylje>	and local copy gets it from svn, which thinks the trunk's rev is a bit lower
06:56	<eekee>	hylje: I often play with a friend who compiles fron svn
06:56	<eekee>	*from
06:56	<TrueBrain>	[13:54][13:54] <hylje> eekee: if the nightly revision is a commit elsewhere than trunk, trunk gets inconsistent revisions <- what kind of gibberish are you talking?
06:56	<hylje>	english
06:56	<eekee>	svn-gibberish, I thought
06:57	<eekee>	Made some sense to me, the svn counting revisions whether or not they're in trunk, but maybe I've only half thought it through
06:58	<TrueBrain>	svn commits are global, no matter where they go
06:58	<TrueBrain>	so it happens that 'trunk' skips revisions from time to time
06:58	<TrueBrain>	but both 10179 and 10178 are in trunk
06:58	<TrueBrain>	also, the make-system knwos about it, and uses the last revision that was a commit to the trunk
06:58	<eekee>	Ah yes, what I thought was happening
06:58	<hylje>	it appears make uses the revision as in svn info
06:59	<TrueBrain>	(say, revision 1 and 3 are in trunk, but 2 and 4 are not, and you do a checkout, you get a compile with revision 3)
06:59	<eekee>	yeah that's what I understood hylje's statement to mean
06:59	<TrueBrain>	it has little to do with 'nightly revision' :s
06:59	<hylje>	just as planned
07:00	<eekee>	hehe
07:00	<hylje>	TrueBrain: the revision that is picked in compile-farm
07:00	<TrueBrain>	hylje: is always the latest version commited to the trunk
07:00	<TrueBrain>	which is always the version you get when you do a checkout at the same time
07:02	<TrueBrain>	in other words: if you tihnk you need to change the revision number manually, you did something wrong.
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07:02	<hylje>	well
07:03	<hylje>	sometimes when i update to a revision (svn up), the default configure's perceived revision is not the same as the revision given to svn up
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07:03	<eekee>	heh, if you grab the source tarball from the nightlies page you have to set the revision manually. Why is that?
07:03	<TrueBrain>	if you do not override the revision via configure, the make system always uses the right revision
07:03	<TrueBrain>	eekee: as it isn't a SVN checkout ;)
07:04	<eekee>	oh mew
07:04	<TrueBrain>	hmm, we might be able to fix that though...
07:04	<eekee>	^^
07:04	<hylje>	magic!
07:04	<eekee>	heheee
07:04	<TrueBrain>	hmm, good one eekee
07:04	<eekee>	^^'
07:04	<@peter1138>	TrueBrain: then when somebody modifies it it won't show as M
07:04	<TrueBrain>	peter1138: very true
07:04	<TrueBrain>	so we might just want to postfix it with S or something
07:04	<TrueBrain>	as in: source-tarball
07:05	<TrueBrain>	so: opentd-r10101S
07:05	<TrueBrain>	at least gives a tiny bit more info
07:05	<TrueBrain>	hmm
07:05	<TrueBrain>	no, useless
07:05	<TrueBrain>	you are right :)
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07:08	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it also won't show M if they force the revision...
07:09	<TrueBrain>	Eddi\|zuHause2: but in that case they are informed about the risk they are taking
07:09	<TrueBrain>	we can only advise people, never disallow it
07:09	<TrueBrain>	(the nature of Open Source ;))
07:11	<eekee>	^^'
07:12	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	for that case, you could create a checksum over all source files... if it does not match, add an M
07:12	<@peter1138>	heh
07:12	<@peter1138>	too much effort
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07:18	<Smoovious>	as long as we're talking revisions... whenever I compiled with vc2005, via svn, althought I haven't tried to compile in the past month, it always came up norev000... where would I set the rev?
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07:29	<eekee>	that's odd... you know rail & monorail have sprites of just the track in \ / \| _ directions? Where's the equivalent maglev junctions?
07:29	<hylje>	missing
07:29	<Maedhros>	no, just hard to see
07:29	<Maedhros>	most of the maglev track is actually the ground tile
07:30	<hylje>	:o
07:30	<Maedhros>	the track itself is the black bars that go across the grey bit
07:31	<hylje>	whoa
07:31	<eekee>	yeah...
07:31	<eekee>	I can't even find sprites for the black bars. looks harder
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07:40	<eekee>	Ahuh! I think I have them
07:41	<eekee>	yep: sprites 1169-1173 in trg1r
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07:43	<eekee>	ok brain derailed. I don't need the bars I need the track. cuts out
07:43	<hylje>	derailed :o
07:44	<eekee>	hehe
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07:54	[~]	eekee wonders whether to keep the ditches either side of maglev track or just lay the cut-out tracks on flat terrain for a slightly neater look
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08:30	<Gekko>	loins!
08:30	<Gekko>	whats new coming to openttd
08:30	<Gekko>	?
08:31	<Biff>	naked girls
08:31	<dihedral>	yay
08:31	<Gekko>	oh rly?
08:31	<Gekko>	on buses or what
08:31	<Gekko>	:)
08:32	<Nickman>	no, real naked girls ;)
08:32	<Nickman>	in 32bpp
08:32	<dihedral>	does autoclean_protected = 0 no protected companies get ignored, or their pass gets cleared right away?
08:32	<SmatZ>	Naked Girls tileset
08:33	<dihedral>	talking about 0.5.2
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08:33	<Gekko>	Nickman: :o
08:33	<Gekko>	reaaaaaaaally?
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08:34	<SmatZ>	Gekko: the reason why this thread exists -> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=2083&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=4200
08:37	<Gekko>	eh?
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08:37	<SmatZ>	nevermind, sometimes I try to be funny :(
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08:40	<Gekko>	lol
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08:41	<Gekko>	why dont we turn boat #'ds into trains?
08:41	<Gekko>	;screw boats xD
08:41	<Gekko>	I <3 Trams.
08:42	<Gekko>	it got hit by a train twice >.>
08:45	<eekee>	trams you have to wait for the crashed one to go before letting it's clone leave the depot
08:46	<Gekko>	why
08:46	<eekee>	otherwise the clone will wait behind the crashed one until it clears... and then move onto the tracks regardless of whether there's a train on them or not!
08:47	<Gekko>	haha
08:47	<eekee>	wierd lol
08:47	<Gekko>	take that serbian tram!
08:47	<eekee>	boom!
08:48	<Gekko>	any other tram grfs?
08:48	<Gekko>	serbian angers the blood
08:48	<Gekko>	slavic anglicised shivers
08:49	<eekee>	there's a german set, and a UK set under construction
08:49	<Gekko>	hmm
08:50	<Gekko>	how hard is it to make a grf?
08:50	<Gekko>	i'd make an aussie tram set if itt was ewasy
08:51	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	there's a tutorial on the ttdpatch wiki
08:52	<Gekko>	that wasnt my question.
08:52	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it is usually not hard to follow a tutorial :p
08:53	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	and no, it is not an answer to your question, but a hint on how you can answer it yourself...
08:54	<eekee>	I followed that tutorial but used data from the Serbian set instead of the original, & made a couple other changes, came up with a refittable tram fairly easily. Took me time, & double-checking, but it wasn't hard as such
08:55	<Gekko>	how long did it take?
08:55	<Gekko>	my trams wil be green with the company stripe with medfium windows
08:56	<eekee>	afternoon & evening, for one tram. This is starting from knowing nothing about trams
08:56	<Gekko>	excellent
08:56	<eekee>	^^
08:56	<Gekko>	tomorrow, or 16 hours
08:57	<eekee>	^^
08:57	<Gekko>	i shall attempt.
08:57	<Gekko>	linux for the win!
08:57	<Gekko>	time to learn xara, mtpaint & gimp
09:00	<eekee>	^^
09:00	<eekee>	I'm using gimp, never even heard of the other 2.
09:01	<eekee>	I don't think gimp's ideal for paletized art, but I don't know if pain programs that are would be any good for the saturation & contrast changes I'm making
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09:09	<Gekko>	eekee: try mtpaint
09:09	<eekee>	k
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09:10	<eekee>	Gekko: Does it have layers? Because they're, like, my modus operandii
09:11	<vertigo>	Does someone know how to fix this "problem / bug" http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c103/vertigo117/hmmz.png
09:12	<Gekko>	eekee: dunno, try it?
09:12	<eekee>	mew, k
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09:22	<eekee>	ere, anybody know if 1/6th gravity would mean 1/6th the tractive effort, for ordinary rail locos?
09:23	<Gekko>	?
09:24	<Gekko>	lol
09:25	<Phazorx>	eekee: steem and disel wont work there btw
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09:25	<eekee>	Phazorx: you don't say? :)
09:25	<Phazorx>	and yes traction will be proportionaly smaller since friction is based on weight not mass
09:26	<Phazorx>	eekee: i meant they should not :)
09:26	<eekee>	:)
09:26	<eekee>	hehe
09:26	<eekee>	muclear-powered steam engine.....
09:26	<Phazorx>	possible
09:27	<XeryusTC>	Phazorx: most friction comes from air friction, not roll friction
09:27	<Phazorx>	train crash would mean end of game tho
09:27	<XeryusTC>	especially on the higher speeds
09:27	<Phazorx>	XeryusTC: eh... traction effort?
09:27	<@peter1138>	heh, vertigo...
09:27	<@peter1138>	but they left :/
09:27	<eekee>	XeryusTC: if it wasn't for roll friction, the train couldn't flipping start moving :D
09:27	<Phazorx>	and btw - another bonus
09:27	<eekee>	it's /that/ friction we're talking about
09:27	<XeryusTC>	eekee: barrings...
09:27	<Phazorx>	no air no resistance
09:27	<eekee>	I knoooooow!
09:28	<Gekko>	eekee: put a tr_ain in a vacuum
09:28	<Phazorx>	i meant that for XeryusTC as responce to his comment
09:28	<Gekko>	test theories.
09:28	<Phazorx>	actualy
09:28	<Phazorx>	there will be tons of air like friction there
09:28	<eekee>	oh sorry
09:28	<Phazorx>	due to dust
09:29	<eekee>	hmm, train vibration will kick up a bit....
09:29	<Phazorx>	so nice 'steam smoke' effect can be put to use even on mlevs
09:29	<Gekko>	openttds
09:29	<Gekko>	s4space
09:30	<eekee>	do you think a mag-lev will kick up much? I'm thinking mag-levs will be used a lot since the lift is cheaper & ordinary rails so much less effective
09:30	<Gekko>	trains to mars from earth lool.
09:30	<Phazorx>	well ground vibration will raise dust
09:30	<Phazorx>	wont matter what kind of poer source they use
09:30	<Phazorx>	actualy
09:30	<Phazorx>	mlev howvers right ?
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09:32	<Phazorx>	so theoretically there will be less physical dislocation of track in case of mlev
09:32	<eekee>	yeah, but it's kept up & pulled along by magnets in the track as well as the train.
09:32	<eekee>	Yeah, a little, but not much.
09:32	<Phazorx>	problem is - 1/6 of gravity means dust coulds hang for hours/days
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09:33	<Phazorx>	oh yeah... ramps
09:33	<Phazorx>	accelerating up will be same or harder issue, but maintaining sped will be 6 times easier
09:34	<Gekko>	lol flight
09:34	<Gekko>	from hills
09:34	<eekee>	hahaha
09:35	<eekee>	Will have to limit maglevs to below the lunar escape velocity.... actually no, we won't! The track could pull down as easily as up
09:36	<Gekko>	lol
09:36	<eekee>	(remember it pulls left-right automatically in a self-correcting way too)
09:37	<Phazorx>	it will pull track as much up as train down
09:37	<SmatZ>	you dont need planes, you can just throw the goods from one place to another
09:37	<Phazorx>	and given amount of trains coopers games have - with some luck and resonance effect we can deorbit the moon :)
09:38	<eekee>	XDDD
09:38	<Phazorx>	SmatZ: from and throw path - no doubt
09:38	<Phazorx>	however no one canceled mass along with gravity
09:38	<Phazorx>	meaning goods will be a bit.... damaged on arrival
09:38	<eekee>	:)
09:39	<Phazorx>	desipte ease of takeoff :)
09:39	<SmatZ>	:-)
09:39	<Gekko>	Phazorx: no American spelling.
09:39	<eekee>	ooh... mag-lev accellerator launched 'planes'
09:39	<Phazorx>	american?
09:39	<Gekko>	cancelled or nada :P
09:40	<eekee>	The americans have sane spelling lol
09:40	<Gekko>	nein.
09:40	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: KUDr * r10199 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp: -Fix [FS#884, YAPF]: 'target_seen' flag that is set prematurely in some cases (1 tile long cached segment followed by target station) stops on assert (immeR)
09:40	<Phazorx>	sorry, lack of sleep affects my brainpowered spellchecker
09:40	<Phazorx>	and i rarely bother to correct mistakes anyway
09:40	[~]	eekee is British, has to put up with arcane wierdness introduced by a franglophillic royalty over the last few hundreds of years
09:41	[~]	Gekko is Australian, UK's alien offspring.
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09:41	[~]	Phazorx has excuse of being russian, and english being 3rd language :o)
09:41	<eekee>	:)
09:42	<Gekko>	liar!
09:43	<eekee>	Oh my nephews became Australian citizens recently. Their dad was born there, but his family moved away when he was like, 1 month old, lol
09:43	<Gekko>	owned.
09:44	<eekee>	hehe
09:44	<Gekko>	i was 3 when ttd came out >.>
09:44	<Gekko>	8 when i played dos version
09:44	<eekee>	^^
09:44	<eekee>	ever play toyland?
09:45	[~]	eekee guesses no, or not for long <_<;
09:45	<Gekko>	never.
09:45	<eekee>	heh ^^
09:45	<Gekko>	so gay.
09:45	<Gekko>	arctic <3
09:45	<eekee>	^^
09:46	<eekee>	Arctic.. tropical... didn't like temperate so much, the green gets on my nerves after a bit
09:46	<@peter1138>	heh
09:46	<eekee>	or used to, I've got hardened to such things, lol
09:47	<Phazorx>	stolen trees... thats's a one big reason to play temperate
09:47	<Gekko>	green makes me angry.
09:50	<eekee>	makes me feel a bit... sorta ill, especially in the shade that TTD temperate uses
09:50	<Gekko>	lol
09:51	<eekee>	Tropical's not so bad, but I still find I much prefer to look at the brown areas
09:54	<Gekko>	me too :)
09:54	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i hate the brown "grass" of arctic...
09:54	<Gekko>	i love the farms
09:54	<Gekko>	after i nuke em::
09:55	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i think we should get the alpine set supported...
09:55	<Gekko>	supported?
09:55	<Gekko>	wait alpine
09:55	<eekee>	mmm, I find it a bit icky too
09:56	<Gekko>	thats pure snow.
09:56	<eekee>	heheh
09:57	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Gekko: http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/alpineclimate.html
09:57	<Gekko>	seen it i believe
09:58	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i think it requires newindustries
09:58	<Gekko>	cool.
09:58	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	and probably other stuff like varying snowline is not implemented
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09:59	<@peter1138>	it is actually
10:00	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	cool... but it's just a minor feature :)
10:00	<Gekko>	i need sleep nowe
10:00	<Gekko>	ttyl guys b:)
10:00	<@peter1138>	yeah, and another one we stole ;p
10:00	<eekee>	nite
10:01	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	why invent new features if there are still so many to steal :p
10:03	<eekee>	:D
10:05	[~]	eekee goes to research lunar dust
10:06	<eekee>	oh btw, I think we should steal ttdpatch features :) I'm gettign jealous of their grf lol!
10:08	<@Belugas>	not steal. Honnour their work by implementing it.
10:08	<@Belugas>	looks better ;)
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10:13	<eekee>	Yeah :)
10:13	<skidd13>	Is newgrf action5 type 09 supported?
10:13	<skidd13>	aka one way road arrows?
10:14	<Maedhros>	yup
10:15	<eekee>	ooh
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11:00	<Digitalfox>	Hi everybody :)
11:01	<TrueBrain>	hi Digitalfox
11:03	<Digitalfox>	I'm starting a new game and some settings from 10199 are new to me, since I've been playing a savegame from the 95** revision and didn't update it since newgrf patch change ( caused me problems ).. What does "smooth viewport scrolling" does? Searched the wiki but it's not there yet..
11:04	<TrueBrain>	switch it on :)
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11:05	<Digitalfox>	TrueBrain: My idea was also to put the description on wiki, since it's not there :)
11:05	<TrueBrain>	then ask peter1138 :)
11:05	<Digitalfox>	But i'll try and see if i can understand what it does ;)
11:05	<TrueBrain>	peter1138:
11:05	<TrueBrain>	peter1138 is all knowing :)
11:05	<Digitalfox>	yep :)
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11:09	<Digitalfox>	What is a good default service interval for aircraft when breakdown are disabled and my only care is accidents with aircraft?
11:10	<Digitalfox>	400 days?
11:10	<TrueBrain>	0
11:10	<Digitalfox>	lol
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11:10	<@peter1138>	no servicing is necessary if breakdowns are disabled
11:11	<izhirahider>	Digitalfox, "smooth viewport scrolling": "deslocamento suave do ecrã quando usas o rato"
11:11	<izhirahider>	now try to cramp that up into a translation, impossible
11:11	<Digitalfox>	izhirahider: Oh ok :) Obrigado..
11:15	<elmex>	wow. i'm gone for one week and there is some weird bi-directional pbs floating around the wiki
11:15	<TrueBrain>	the wiki has many things
11:15	<TrueBrain>	is not really related to your not being here :)
11:20	<Digitalfox>	but peter1138, aircraft reliability doesn't influence accidents?? I thought so... :\
11:21	<Digitalfox>	I thought the lower more accidents would occur.
11:22	<@peter1138>	nope, it's just random
11:23	<Digitalfox>	oh ok, thanks for explaining :)
11:25	<Smoovious>	and if breakdown are diabled, also look to see if servicing is also disabled
11:26	<@peter1138>	that's a patch option, yeah
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11:35	<stillunknown>	What was the shortcut for transparency options?
11:35	<+glx>	ctrl-x
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11:43	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10200 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: add "shortcut" for !CmdFailed (CmdSucceeded).
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11:44	<skidd13>	Do one way arrows affect trams?
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11:45	<Maedhros>	skidd13: no
11:46	<stillunknown>	By design?
11:46	<stillunknown>	Or just happens to be that way.
11:46	<skidd13>	I wonderd cause arrows on rail crossings are permitted but on tram crossings allowed.
11:47	<stillunknown>	permitted == allowed
11:47	<stillunknown>	You're missing a not somewhere ;-)
11:47	<skidd13>	ups. permitted -> not allowed
11:48	<Maedhros>	they're ignored by design
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11:49	<Wolf01>	hello
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11:56	<Wolf01>	ok, again at work at brickland!
11:58	<stillunknown>	brickland is?
11:59	<@peter1138>	Wolf01's 32bpp toyland replacement
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12:01	<stillunknown>	But toyland is already perfect.
12:01	<@peter1138>	alright
12:01	<stillunknown>	Perfectly broken that is ;-)
12:01	<@peter1138>	Wolf01's new 32bpp landscape
12:02	<Wolf01>	and houses and vehicles...
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12:09	<TrueBrain>	I wonder if he can get it finished, would be fun :)
12:13	<Wolf01>	eh, if i can finish the landscape i think i can finish the whole project
12:13	<Wolf01>	doesn't matter how much time
12:13	<Wolf01>	i take
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12:19	<dihedral>	TrueBrain: nearly got the openttdlib php class ready
12:19	<Noldo>	phplib?
12:20	<dihedral>	a class to query your server and get back stats, like the masterserver does
12:20	<dihedral>	i.e. for your own website
12:21	[~]	Rubidium is always going to like the C++ variant because that has a maintainability cost of about 0 :)
12:22	[~]	dihedral does not know c++ to be pleasing Rubidium in such a way :-P
12:23	<dihedral>	and as it was php before it was given to me, i am mainly doing a tidy up job
12:23	<dihedral>	besides it had already been removed from svn when i started working on it
12:24	<dihedral>	+ a c++ variant could be a little more tricky to include in webpages :-P
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12:26	<Rubidium>	dihedral: true, but the C++ has free maintainability; if you change the network game server querying protocol, the C++ variant only needs a svn up && make
12:26	<TrueBrain>	but the need for a PHP lib is understandable
12:26	<TrueBrain>	as not everyone can run a C++ application on his webhost ;)
12:26	<Rubidium>	true, very true
12:27	<Rubidium>	I've got nothing against the phplib, it's just that I like the C++ one because of maintainability
12:27	<hylje>	if people ran python on their webhosts you could have c++ libs for them
12:27	<hylje>	but no, you got php D:
12:28	<Sacro>	how do you stop nightlies from using My Documents?
12:28	<hylje>	you dont?
12:28	<Sacro>	well thats just stupid
12:29	<+glx>	Sacro: you get the next nightly :)
12:29	<Sacro>	and can i use 32bpp graphics now?
12:30	<Sacro>	and how do i add a load of grfs in1 go...
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12:36	<stillunknown>	sacro: yes and not sure if that's possible yet
12:39	<@peter1138>	1) yes, 2) edit yer config ;)
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