TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:06:08

---	Log	opened Fri Jun 08 00:00:16 2007
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00:52	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: miham * r10060 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files):
00:52	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-06-08 07:51:39
00:52	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: estonian - 228 changed by kristjans (228)
00:52	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: japanese - 13 fixed by ickoonite (13)
00:52	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: portuguese - 2 fixed by izhirahider (2)
00:52	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: slovenian - 99 fixed by Necrolyte (99)
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01:28	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10061 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Codechange: [NewGRF] Add common cargo subtype support to vehicle var 42
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02:31	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	<ln-> has someone seen patrouille de france irl? <- what exactly is that?
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03:04	<boekabart>	hm. how can i see what linux distro/version is installed when logged on to a shell
03:04	<boekabart>	it doesn't seem to know apt-get :(
03:05	<Sionide>	uname -a
03:05	<Sionide>	or... um
03:05	<Sionide>	cat /etc/version
03:05	<Sionide>	i think
03:05	<boekabart>	Sionide: LOL: unknown unknown GNU/Linux
03:05	<Sionide>	cat: /etc/version: No such file or directory
03:06	<Sionide>	bummer
03:06	<boekabart>	2.4.29
03:06	<Sionide>	Linux sphinx 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Wed May 23 01:46:23 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
03:06	<boekabart>	anyway, it doesn't have apt-get
03:06	<Sionide>	heh,sucks...
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03:09	<boekabart>	is that installable?
03:09	<boekabart>	i don't even know how to install a rpm or deb
03:10	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	rpm --help?
03:10	<boekabart>	heh, that works :)
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03:11	<Sionide>	dpkg -i foo.deb
03:11	<Sionide>	just use linux i686 nightly build or such
03:11	<Sionide>	extract it and you're done
03:13	<Sacro>	wget, tar, make
03:13	<boekabart>	ok say I downloaded the rpm for git
03:13	<boekabart>	from http://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/RPMS/i386/git-1.4.4.4-1.i386.rpm
03:14	<boekabart>	then,there is this rpm command that exists
03:14	<boekabart>	and then?
03:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	rpm -ihv file.rpm or something
03:20	<boekabart>	!! thanks Eddi\|zuHause3
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04:35	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10062 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: Don't redraw all station tiles when cargo is added or removed if the station has no custom graphics.
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05:34	<Gekkko>	openttd turns me on
05:34	<Gekkko>	lol
05:34	<@peter1138>	weirdo
05:34	<Gekkko>	:(
05:34	<Gekkko>	i was just jerking around >_>!
05:35	<boekabart>	even more gross
05:35	<Gekkko>	rofl, inuendo unintended
05:35	<Gekkko>	I use PalmTTD, a crappy version of OpenTTD that crashs at the year 2005
05:35	<Gekkko>	because of memory leaks :P
05:35	<Gekkko>	it uses a 0.4.x nightly build.
05:36	<TrueBrain>	morning all
05:36	<Gekkko>	morning
05:37	<boekabart>	Q: when a train is going over a bridge/through a tunnel
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05:37	<TheJosh>	hey thanks everyone for all the help yesterday
05:37	<boekabart>	are his pos_x/pos_y moving?
05:38	<boekabart>	(knowing that he does remain on the bridgehead tile)
05:38	<TrueBrain>	yes, else the viewport of the train wouldn't update ;)
05:38	<boekabart>	thought so
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07:59	<@Belugas>	hello
08:09	<Digitalfox>	Hello Belugas :)
08:11	<skidd13>	hi
08:13	<@Belugas>	good afternon guys :)
08:14	<@Belugas>	(somebody reminded it was afternoon over there...)
08:16	<boekabart>	Belugas: it's almost weekend here
08:17	<@Belugas>	yeah... i can imagine
08:17	<@Belugas>	although mine is so booked by God Wife that i would not be able to rest...
08:19	<@Belugas>	I have to remove all the tiles on my entry floor, put some plywood over the whole entrance corridor whit my father, cut the grass, open up a new spot on the garden for more flowers...
08:19	<@Belugas>	on top of all the regular weekend duties :S
08:22	<@peter1138>	hm
08:24	<skidd13>	did someone tried Zojj's performance meter patch?
08:25	<skidd13>	did -> Has
08:27	<@Belugas>	skidd13 : I didn't
08:27	<@peter1138>	it should update less often, else it'll affect results ;p
08:29	<skidd13>	patch fails to compile. :( SYSTEMTIME is unkonwn. Shouldn't be there an include?
08:38	<skidd13>	damned it's winows.h ! so no OS compatibility :(
08:41	<skidd13>	winows.h -> windows.h
08:50	<boekabart>	skidd13: you need millisec?
08:51	<skidd13>	?
08:51	<boekabart>	SYSTEMTIME return ms?
08:51	<@peter1138>	my fps counter just counted the ticks as provided by the video driver
08:51	<@peter1138>	of course, it only works for the sdl driver, hehe
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08:55	<boekabart>	for win this is good timer code: http://paste.openttd.org/91
08:55	<boekabart>	and systemtime for non-win
08:59	<TrueBrain>	use TIC/TOC if ou use OpenTTD :p
09:04	<skidd13>	I just wanted to test zojj's performance meter patch for openttd, but it needs, "windows.h". And I'm using Linux, so no windows.h. What provides this TIC/TOC?
09:04	<TrueBrain>	TIC/TOC is a debug thingy to time things :)
09:04	<@peter1138>	debug.h
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09:31	<skidd13>	I was thinking about the sprites in openttd.grf. It would be nice to change them via newgrf. What about Action 5 Type 07? There could be an action 7/9 before to check for openttd.
09:36	<@peter1138>	type 7?
09:37	<@Belugas>	gui sprites
09:37	<@Belugas>	but
09:37	<@peter1138>	hmm
09:37	<@Belugas>	skidd13, what do youmean?
09:37	<skidd13>	ttdpatch maps them. so why can't openttd map them another way?
09:41	<@peter1138>	might as well just add another type
09:41	<@peter1138>	as a little patch i have does
09:41	<boekabart>	peter1138: commit!
09:41	<@peter1138>	never!
09:41	<boekabart>	trunk doesn't need to be stable anyway :)
09:41	<@peter1138>	i never commit patches, least of all mine
09:42	<@Belugas>	iirc, it can be done as is. Just use the sprite id + the offset of our own opentttdbase
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09:42	<@Belugas>	somebody did it already
09:42	<@Belugas>	it was.. hem
09:42	<@peter1138>	dodgy
09:42	<@peter1138>	if the offset changed, heh
09:42	<boekabart>	it never does though
09:43	<@peter1138>	it does with my patch ;)
09:43	<@Belugas>	ha... mart3p
09:43	<boekabart>	never commit that then!
09:43	<@Belugas>	ah... offset changing... indeed
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09:49	<+glx>	I remember me changing offsets in r10017 :)
09:51	<@peter1138>	indeed
09:52	[~]	boekabart stands corrected
09:52	[~]	boekabart is so deeply ashamed that he's going home now
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09:58	<@Belugas>	yeah right...
09:58	<@Belugas>	have a nice weekend ayway...
09:58	<@Belugas>	even if you already left :)
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10:38	<stillunknown>	Is it possible not to redraw stuff every tick?
10:38	<@peter1138>	which stuff?
10:38	<stillunknown>	Like track related stuff.
10:38	<@peter1138>	stuff is only redrawn if it's marked dirty
10:39	<stillunknown>	Then why does the drawing of catenaries take so much cpu?
10:40	<@peter1138>	because it's... cpu intensive?
10:40	<Rubidium>	because there's some complex algorithm to determine where to draw the poles
10:40	<@peter1138>	store it on the map? heh
10:40	<hylje>	why not?
10:41	<hylje>	its not like the poles are dynamic
10:41	<@peter1138>	map space, presumably
10:41	<Rubidium>	hylje: they are (slightly)
10:41	<Rubidium>	IIRC
10:41	<@peter1138>	yeah, it can depend on whats around it
10:41	<@peter1138>	but you could cater for that when building
10:42	<@peter1138>	(or removing)
10:42	<@peter1138>	wonder how many map bits it would require, heh
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10:43	<Rubidium>	4
10:45	<Rubidium>	and 2 on level crossings/stations
10:47	<hylje>	with map-level catenary
10:48	<hylje>	it could be easier to do multitile catenary poles
10:49	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r10063 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp):
10:49	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: Change VARDEF for extern
10:49	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -CodeChange: Add the count of industries, basic support for variable 67, var action02 forindustries
10:49	<hylje>	typo
10:50	<@Belugas>	not a big one... and when doing 3 things at the same time, it can be expected :P
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10:59	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r10064 /trunk/src/industry.h: -Fix(r10063): compile again, when changing stuff. DOn't trust first run
11:05	<stillunknown>	Do tiles get dirtied when a vehicle leaves a tile?
11:05	<@peter1138>	yes
11:06	<@peter1138>	and moves over it in general
11:06	<Rubidium>	peter1138: isn't it only the viewport?
11:07	<@peter1138>	well
11:07	<@peter1138>	it marks the viewport area as dirty
11:07	<@peter1138>	which causes the tiles to be redrawn
11:07	<@peter1138>	so much the same effect
11:08	<stillunknown>	So the entire viewport is marked dirty?
11:08	<@peter1138>	no, only the area covered by the vehicle
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11:12	<stillunknown>	peter1138: were in the code does it determine if a tile in the viewport should be marked dirty?
11:24	<@peter1138>	ViewportAddLandscape() probably
11:24	<@peter1138>	well
11:25	<@peter1138>	that's where it actually draws them if the area was marked dirty
11:25	<@peter1138>	EndVehicleMove() marks the area dirty when vehicles move
11:27	<Phazorx>	is stillunknown patch in trunk yet? :)
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11:29	<Wolf01>	hello
11:30	<@peter1138>	no
11:31	<Wolf01>	yes
11:34	<@Belugas>	maybe
11:36	<Digitalfox>	lol
11:36	<hylje>	both
11:37	<@Belugas>	none
11:37	<hylje>	all of the aboce
11:37	<hylje>	all of the above
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11:42	<TrueBrain>	none of the above
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11:43	<Wolf01>	look what i started! i'm the chaos!
11:43	<@Belugas>	depends on the weather
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11:49	<Touqen>	on any given sunday
11:49	[~]	Touqen wonders what he should do for lunch
11:51	<@Belugas>	don't DO lunch.. CALL for lunch
11:51	<@Belugas>	PIZZA
11:51	<@Belugas>	or whatever suits ya
11:51	<@Belugas>	;)
11:52	<Touqen>	So my computer decided to stop behaving properly :/
11:53	<Touqen>	I did a windows update and updated my video drivers and my puter started freezing almost immediately after boot.
11:53	<Touqen>	I reverted my video drivers and it still freezes :/
11:53	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: glx * r10065 /trunk/src/newgrf_house.h: -Cleanup (r9850): remove now unneeded stuff
11:53	<@Belugas>	mmhh... freeze...
11:53	<@Belugas>	frozen
11:53	<@Belugas>	POPSICLES!
11:54	<@Belugas>	ICE CREAM!
11:54	<skidd13>	Touquen: Is MS office installed?
11:55	<Touqen>	nope
11:58	<skidd13>	Check if svchost.exe causes high cpu usage
11:59	<Touqen>	I would but half the time it dies just before the login dialog.
11:59	<Touqen>	s/half/most of the time/
11:59	<+glx>	skidd13: which one ? :D
11:59	<Touqen>	I'll probably do a repair install when I get the time and see if that fixes it if not, it's reformatting time :D
12:00	<skidd13>	the one which acts with the ms update. check it with this tool -> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx
12:00	<skidd13>	I've had trouble with it the recent weeks at my department.
12:03	<skidd13>	In the case that is your problem check this site: http://msmvps.com/blogs/donna/archive/2007/05/15/microsoft-s-follow-up-fix-on-100-cpu-usage-svchost-exe-msi.aspx
12:08	<skidd13>	how far is newindustries support?
12:09	<+glx>	progressing :)
12:09	<skidd13>	:)
12:09	<@Belugas>	but slowly...
12:09	<@Belugas>	but nicely :D
12:11	<skidd13>	hey, it's open source, and allways free time, so don't agitate! ;)
12:13	<@peter1138>	shut up
12:13	<@peter1138>	we want newindustries NOW!
12:13	<hylje>	no
12:13	<hylje>	yesterday
12:15	<stillunknown>	peter1138: I have been testing these hashmap improvements
12:15	<stillunknown>	peter1138: I'm almost embarrassed to say that they work better than my patch.
12:16	<hylje>	ha
12:16	<hylje>	owned!
12:16	<stillunknown>	based on a few minutes of profiling
12:17	<stillunknown>	For some reason the gfx stuff seems to cause less load.
12:17	<stillunknown>	too
12:17	<stillunknown>	Maybe due to the seperate hashmaps?
12:17	<Phazorx>	can both be combined?
12:18	<stillunknown>	It can be coded to work together, but i'm more inclined to push for these changes first.
12:19	<stillunknown>	But i need to longer profiling first.
12:21	<Rubidium>	Phazorx: not really. The separate hashmaps are a big part of the speedup.
12:21	<Rubidium>	one is in "map" coordinates, the other in "viewport" coordinates
12:22	<stillunknown>	But the performance seems to be sweet.
12:22	<Phazorx>	even with huge games?
12:23	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	err... especially with huge games...
12:24	<Phazorx>	cool
12:24	<stillunknown>	I wonder why this was never picked up by someone.
12:24	[~]	Phazorx waits for the patch trunked impatiently
12:25	<Rubidium>	because the forum isn't the place to make patches trackable
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12:28	<stillunknown>	But still, someone must have noticed.
12:28	<Rubidium>	yes, and then forgot about it
12:30	<Rubidium>	skidd13: why is the ClearSlot in CmdMoveOrders?
12:30	<Phazorx>	optimization is good and there is always room for soem more
12:32	<skidd13>	Rubidium: Good question. Have to check that.
12:32	<stillunknown>	Phazorx: i tested the local&express concept, it outperforms my "solution"
12:34	<Phazorx>	that's impressive
12:34	<stillunknown>	I never realised the hashmap was such a bottleneck.
12:35	<skidd13>	Rubidium: I got it, it seems to be at the wrong place. It belongs to the update of the current_order.
12:35	<skidd13>	It should be placed after u->cur_order_index = target_order; and the v should be changed to u.
12:37	<Rubidium>	but still, why ClearSlot
12:38	<Rubidium>	the orders that the vehicles have do not change, so no reason to clear the slot (I think)
12:39	<skidd13>	Then it is not nessesary in CmdSkipTo too.
12:39	<Rubidium>	there it is, because you change the "current" order of the vehicle
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12:41	<@peter1138>	pomtepom
12:42	<skidd13>	Theoretical could it be that you change the order. But if you think that it's not needed.
12:43	<Rubidium>	well, moving orders doesn't change the order (I assume)
12:44	<stillunknown>	peter1138: i posted some profiling in the thread
12:44	<skidd13>	I experienced that If the order is changed in the same moment as the vehicle is leaving the station....
12:44	<stillunknown>	peter1138: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=594862#594862
12:46	<skidd13>	It's development trunk and you are a dev not me. So you have to choose!
12:47	<Rubidium>	skidd13: I fear more about the other case
12:48	<skidd13>	Rubidium: What are you talking about?
12:49	<Rubidium>	vehicles trying to go to a station and then getting their allocated slot cleared
12:50	<skidd13>	Hmm, agreed, so go ahead with removing it.
12:51	<skidd13>	Beside g++-4.2 gives a warning src/yapf/../misc/blob.hpp: In member function »void CBlobT<Titem_, Tbase_>::Free() [with Titem_ = int, Tbase_ = CBlobBaseSimple]«:
12:51	<skidd13>	src/yapf/../misc/blob.hpp:240: Warning: assuming signed overflow does not occur when assuming that (X - c) >= X is always true
12:54	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r10066 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_commons.cpp newgrf_commons.h newgrf_house.cpp): -Codechange: Expose function GetNearbyTile by moving it to newgrf_commons.[cpp\|h]. Will be used by industries in a few.
12:55	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r10067 /trunk/Makefile.in: -Add: 'make run-prof' profiles your code, simular to 'make run' and 'make run-gdb'
12:57	<stillunknown>	TrueBrain: what's the advantage to make run?
12:57	<stillunknown>	with profiling enabled
12:57	<TrueBrain>	less typing
12:59	[~]	skidd13 wonders how fast g++-4.4 -O3 compiled openttd starts
12:59	<skidd13>	g++-4.4 ->g++-4.2
13:00	<stillunknown>	Bjarni: ping
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13:13	<Sug>	can anyone suggest a way of showing different speeds line side other than different colours, its a bit small to simply write the speed
13:13	<Wolf01>	different shapes
13:15	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10068 /trunk/src/dock_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#835]: coverage area highlight was still show when it was turned off for docks.
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13:18	<@Bjarni>	stillunknown: pong
13:19	<stillunknown>	Bjarni: I have determined that SmatZ' modifications work faster than what i did, so i suggest you try that and maybe try to speed up the process ;-)
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13:23	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r10069 /trunk/src/debug.h: -Documentation: some documentation for TIC/TOC, as it isn't what I expected...
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13:26	<TrueBrain>	stillunknown: I created 'make run' because I was too lazy to do: cd bin && ./openttd, all the time
13:26	<TrueBrain>	then I made the env var: OPENTTD_ARGS, which controls what goes behind ./openttd
13:26	<TrueBrain>	and now we also have make run-gdb and make run-prof
13:26	<TrueBrain>	so you can easy switch between gdb runs and normal ones
13:26	<TrueBrain>	lazy lazy lazy
13:27	<Rubidium>	so he doesn't need to do "gprof ./openttd"
13:27	[~]	Phazorx wants voice control module for building trains
13:28	<hylje>	Dear aunt double the killer select all: Invalid command
13:29	<@peter1138>	heh
13:29	<@peter1138>	i always just type bin/openttd :p
13:29	<TrueBrain>	make run <- 8 chars
13:29	<TrueBrain>	bin/openttd <- 11 chars
13:29	<TrueBrain>	see :)
13:29	<Rubidium>	make&&bin/openttd <- 17 chars
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13:30	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: make;bin/openttd
13:30	<Phazorx>	you gues ever heard about aliases :o)
13:30	<TrueBrain>	unsafe, but 1 less char :)
13:30	<@peter1138>	make run <- 8 chars still
13:32	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	bin/o[tab] <- 6 keys
13:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	unfortunately b[tab] does not work, because it completes programs in path, not subdirectories
13:34	<Wolf01>	just one question, if scenarios are savegames, why not make possible to edit savegames directly without renaming them? and load scenarios in dedicated servers without renaming them?
13:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	./b[tab]o[tab] works though
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13:35	<@peter1138>	export PATH=bin/:$PATH
13:36	<@peter1138>	:p
13:36	<Phazorx>	really... this is why aliases were invented
13:36	<Phazorx>	less typing for common tasks
13:41	<skidd13\|away_pizza_for_dinner>	belugas: geat idea to order a pizza. yummy
13:43	<skidd13\|away_pizza_for_dinner>	geat -> great
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13:43	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	arghh... he is branded by real life contact... he might be contageous!!
13:45	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r10070 /trunk/src/ (gfx.cpp zoom.hpp): -Fix: fix the rounding problem of zoom-levels in zoom.hpp, so it is global for every call
13:45	<TrueBrain>	10070... almost 10101!
13:47	<@Belugas>	good for you skidd13 :D
13:47	<@Belugas>	yeah, another party!
13:47	<@Belugas>	the binary commit!
13:48	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	is that when people get nightmares if it is 10102?
13:49	<skidd13>	Name it party 21. Damned 21 is only half the truth. :)
13:50	<TrueBrain>	true :)
13:52	<skidd13>	I'm off to the beer garden. GN
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13:54	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	is "beer garden" even a proper english term?
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13:59	<Sacro>	Eddi\|zuHause3: we have beer gardens
13:59	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	fine :)
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13:59	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10071 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature [FS#828]: moving of orders (skidd13).
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14:03	<Phazorx>	moving of orders?
14:04	<Noldo>	some drag-drop stuff maybe
14:04	<Phazorx>	btw... suggestion...
14:04	<Phazorx>	for tuning/optimizing of largenetworks it's important to know average speed and number of trains passing throguh certain point
14:05	<Phazorx>	is it possible to add that to WP functionality?
14:05	<Phazorx>	2 counter one for speed another for number of passed trains and ability to reset them
14:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r10072 /trunk/src/zoom.hpp: -Fix r10070: typo in zoom.hpp
14:07	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Phazorx: there used to be a "waypoint statistics" patch on the forum, maybe that helps
14:08	<Phazorx>	well since i'm talking about coop games - is it trunkable?
14:09	<hylje>	TRUNKABLE
14:10	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i have no idea
14:10	<Phazorx>	it would be very ncie to have that
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14:14	<@peter1138>	hmm
14:14	<@peter1138>	this order moving thing doesn't give a visual indication that that is what you're doing :o
14:15	<TrueBrain>	:o :o :o
14:15	<TrueBrain>	useless function
14:15	<TrueBrain>	let me revert it
14:15	<hylje>	":o" * n+1
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14:15	<Tron>	let me revert it
14:15	\|-\|	Tron changed nick to TrueBrain
14:15	<TrueBrain>	Oh, that is nasty :)
14:15	<@peter1138>	:o
14:16	<TrueBrain>	sorry, bad joke
14:16	<hylje>	no, it was witty
14:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	@seen tron
14:18	<@DorpsGek>	Eddi\|zuHause3: tron was last seen in #openttd 2 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <Tron> let me revert it
14:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	you totally confused the bot :p
14:18	<TrueBrain>	:) How nasty!
14:18	<+glx>	the bot is stupid :)
14:18	<+glx>	!seen tron
14:19	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	you'd kinda expect that from a DorpsGek :p
14:19	<+glx>	yes the name is explicit :D
14:20	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	ps: what do we need two bots for?
14:20	<TrueBrain>	Hmm, good question
14:20	<TrueBrain>	@kick Eddi\|zuHause3 We don't like two bots!
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14:20	<TrueBrain>	oh, wait..... :p
14:20	<hylje>	now that's hilarious
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14:21	<TrueBrain>	sorry Eddi\|zuHause3, bad TrueBrain, bad bad bad TrueBrain
14:21	<Phazorx>	sad http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=19105
14:21	<Phazorx>	Eddi\|zuHause3: looks likr it died
14:21	<Phazorx>	like
14:21	<Phazorx>	before getting comminted :(
14:22	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	gnah, typed /join #openttd in the wrong server window :p
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14:24	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	hm, i think what i meant was a different patch... it was part of the miniin
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14:37	<Barry>	good evening
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14:59	<Barry>	Anyone online?
14:59	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	no.
15:00	<Barry>	hahaha
15:00	<hylje>	maybe
15:00	<Sacro>	maybe not
15:01	<Barry>	I opened a scenario that was made in an older version of openttd an d now some newgrf are not loaded when I open the scenario in in a nightlyversion. Is that correct or can I fix it?
15:03	<Rubidium>	on the toolbar there's a wrench, click on it, then select newgrf settings
15:03	<Rubidium>	there you can add all needed grfs, and then you can click on apply
15:12	<Barry>	I have allready al of them standard added in my version
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15:20	<Barry>	Somebody wanna test the scenario with his nightly edition?
15:21	<ln->	gah, how do i choose another compiler?
15:23	<Kjetil>	CC=
15:24	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Barry: if they were not saved with the scenario, they will not be loaded with the scenario
15:25	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and before 0.5, newgrf information was not saved at all, so no newgrfs will be loaded
15:25	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	the newgrfs you add from the title screen only apply to new games, not scenarios
15:25	<Barry>	Ok is there any way to pump them in the scenario? Or do I have to create that scenario in nightly?
15:26	<Barry>	ok thats a pity. Because I found a nice scenario of The NEtherlands and parts of Germany and Belgium\
15:26	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	you need to load the scenario, add the newgrfs manually, and save it again, then it will be loaded with the newgrfs
15:27	<Barry>	How can I add them manually in a scenario? Is there some sticky for it?
15:28	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	read what rubidium said
15:29	<ln->	Kjetil: wrong answer
15:29	<Kjetil>	ln-: never !
15:32	<ln->	have i mentioned earlier that the new build system is in many senses completely fucked up.
15:33	<stillunknown>	why?
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15:41	<@peter1138>	i think you mentioned it, yes
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15:50	<ln->	ok.
15:50	<ln->	how do i choose another compiler, btw?
15:51	<@Belugas>	strange question...
15:51	<@Belugas>	why not starting by checking waht is available foryour OS?
15:51	<@Belugas>	then, among those, which one is supported by OTTD?
15:51	<ln->	i know what is available; distcc.
15:52	<@Belugas>	so?
15:52	<@peter1138>	CC=distcc
15:52	<@Belugas>	change OS?
15:52	<@peter1138>	as Kjetil said
15:52	<+glx>	configure --help
15:52	<ln->	$ DISTCC_HOSTS='localhost/2 192.168.1.136/2' make -j 4 CC=distcc CXX=distcc VERBOSE=1
15:53	<ln->	...
15:53	<ln->	g++ -DUNIX -DWITH_REV -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -Wno-multichar -Wsign-compare -Wundef -Wwrite-strings -Wpointer-arith -W -Wno-unused-parameter -DWITH_SDL -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT ...
15:54	<ln->	ah, so i needed to run configure with CC=
15:54	<@Belugas>	so much easier with MSVC...
15:54	<+glx>	yes
15:54	<@Belugas>	all those options...
15:54	<@Belugas>	brrrrrr
15:54	<ln->	are you saying that's the normal procedure?
15:54	<@Belugas>	siver donw the spin
15:54	<@Belugas>	shiver
15:54	<@Belugas>	down
15:55	<@peter1138>	hehe
15:55	<@peter1138>	checking build system type... /usr/bin/ccache unusable
15:55	<@peter1138>	the CC environment variable is set, but it doesn't seem to be a gcc binary
15:55	<@peter1138>	stupid thign :p
15:58	<ln->	what's going on:
15:58	<ln->	distcc -I /home/lauri/openttd/objs/lang /home/lauri/openttd/src/endian_check.cpp -o endian_check
15:58	<ln->	/tmp/cc8tKMZ3.o:(.eh_frame+0x11): undefined reference to `__gxx_personality_v0'
15:58	<ln->	collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
15:58	<ln->	distcc[27486] ERROR: compile /home/lauri/openttd/src/endian_check.cpp on localhost failed
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15:59	<ln->	hmmm, must be because it's trying to link the file, too.
16:01	<ln->	so $CC shouldn't be used for that.
16:02	<ln->	besides, it's actually CXX= that matters.
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16:16	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10073 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp newgrf.cpp newgrf_config.cpp stdafx.h win32.cpp): -Codechange: make the NewGRF paths in the config file without any full paths (again).
16:18	<stillunknown>	rubidium: how will this work when newgrf's with the same name are in different folders?
16:19	<Rubidium>	as it did
16:19	<stillunknown>	And how was that?
16:19	<Rubidium>	unless it has the same name in the "second data dir" too
16:20	<stillunknown>	yes, same name
16:20	<Rubidium>	you have to give the "path" from /data/ (without the /data/)
16:20	<stillunknown>	ok
16:21	<Rubidium>	so only if you have the "second data dir" enable, which you most likely do not have, it'll just load all GRFs regardless of their name, but duplicates (GRF ID + md5sum) will only be shown once
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16:29	<stillunknown>	peter1138: You saw the profiling i did?
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16:36	<kaan>	good evening :)
16:37	<Desolator>	g'night
16:37	<Desolator>	(at least for me)
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16:38	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	not even midnight yet :)
16:38	<Desolator>	any chance of being able to apply more patches using BOTTD?
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16:39	<Rubidium>	Desolator: no
16:39	<Desolator>	:(
16:40	<Desolator>	WhY?
16:40	<Rubidium>	because patches can collide very easily
16:41	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	use tortoisesvn instead
16:41	<Rubidium>	Eddi\|zuHause3: then it's still likely that patches collide
16:41	<Desolator>	yeah I use it but it's a pain waiting for MSVC to compile OTTD, it's slow
16:42	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yes, but it has a builtin utility to resolve that :p
16:42	<Rubidium>	Desolator: then don't build release binaries
16:42	<Rubidium>	Eddi\|zuHause3: it won't resolve collisions when you apply multiple patches correctly in all cases
16:42	<Desolator>	debug isn't any faster in compiling here and it's slower cuz of the debug window
16:43	<bencvt>	Desolator: you can always just cat two patches together and hope for the best
16:43	<bencvt>	chances are there will be a collision of course if the patches arent simple
16:43	<Desolator>	well one doing with the stations and one with trains won't collide
16:44	<bencvt>	they might.
16:44	<bencvt>	depends which files they touch, and where
16:44	<bencvt>	and how
16:44	<bencvt>	:P
16:44	<Desolator>	yeah...but that's rare
16:44	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i have had the most unexpected collisions already
16:44	<Desolator>	anyway, thanks, i'll go to bed
16:44	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	like two totally unrelated patches adding strings at the end of english.txt :)
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17:12	<kaan>	Rubidium: thank for providin tech support for me ;)
17:12	<kaan>	man i cant spell tonight
17:13	<kaan>	anyways, BuildOTTD 1.0-RC1 is up now :)
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17:45	<skidd13>	Is there dev interest for the new order text display or the new order gui (text button based)?
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17:50	<geoffk>	if i set autoclean_protected 0 would a company get deleted? i want to clean up comanies with no pass set but not ones which have
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17:53	<geoffk>	i need to go out for 30 mins, thanks in advance to anyone who can answer that
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17:54	<Wolf01>	'night
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