TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:31

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02:21	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9995 /trunk/src/genworld.cpp: -Fix (r9962): Don't scroll the map at the start of a new game
02:22	<wboekabart>	morning peter1138 ;)
02:22	<wboekabart>	good way to start the day
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02:34	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9996 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Fix: be more strict when building/upgrading roads and/or road stops.
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02:36	<boekabart>	gettin' reaaaally close
02:36	<@Rubidium>	0.6 isn't really that close
02:36	<boekabart>	LOL
02:37	<valhallasw>	I wonder what kind of function you could fit between revision and full version grin
02:38	<Vikthor>	Hi boekabart. I told Marek about your interest in aging tracks, did he contact you?
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02:42	<boekabart>	Vikthor: Yes he did!
02:42	<boekabart>	but also Ben_K is trying something out
02:43	<boekabart>	I hope to find some time today or tomorrow to try some coding
02:44	<Vikthor>	Wonderfull, I am looking forward to what will come out of this ;)
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04:02	<TheJosh>	hey
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04:54	<Luukland>	Frostregen__ you are welcome :)
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06:34	<boekabart>	http://lolcode.com/
06:34	<Sionide>	oooold
06:34	<lolman>	boekabart, old ;)
06:34	<Sionide>	sorry boekabart ;)
06:34	<boekabart>	KTHXBYE
06:35	<Sionide>	i said day before yest, that i was gonna translate ottd into lolcode :p
06:35	<boekabart>	IZ TRAIN EMPTY NOWAI!
06:36	<@Bjarni>	maybe toyland could do with a lolcode addon
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06:47	<kaan>	hello
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07:16	<kaan>	:D just read wtf today and i stumbled over this http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Playground-Fun.aspx
07:17	<hylje>	silly netherlanders
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07:35	<eekee>	hehe
07:36	<eekee>	script languages... What if ottd had embedded script interpreters, but a different language for each region?
07:36	<eekee>	lolcode for toyland
07:36	<eekee>	Java for tropical (more than one reason...)
07:37	<Kjetil>	brainfuck for toyland
07:37	<eekee>	I dunno whether Python should be for temperate because it was named after Mony Python - British; or Northern because it was (iirc) designed originally by a scandinavian
07:37	<eekee>	Kjetil: yeah :D
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07:39	<Maedhros>	ye gods
07:39	<Maedhros>	i'd forgotten how slow the very early dbsetxl engines are...
07:39	<eekee>	ouch?
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07:42	[~]	eekee googles dbsetxl -- "ooh, propper hoppers"
07:42	<Maedhros>	yeah, it's nice :)
07:42	<Maedhros>	just very very slow to begin with ;)
07:42	<eekee>	heheh
07:43	<@peter1138>	49km/h!
07:43	<@peter1138>	my poor BR92s
07:43	<eekee>	mew
07:44	<@peter1138>	although, the BR75s are out nwo
07:44	<eekee>	same speed as the... um... little 060 from the temperate region, right? I use them all through my game when I can, because they can turn a profit on lines so short that nothing else can, lol
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07:45	<@peter1138>	similar speed
07:46	<eekee>	right
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07:47	<eekee>	I usually play with "vehicles never expire" on, and just use whatever engine seems appropriate for each route, anyone else here play like that?
07:48	[~]	boekabart still didn't find out how to easily replace an old engine by a more modern replacement
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07:49	<eekee>	boekabart: scrap the engine (just the engine) & build the new one. It will come up with the same number & orders
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07:50	<eekee>	(Goes all the way back to TTD or TTO, that ^^)
07:50	<boekabart>	eekee: yeah that's not what I call easy... if you have 80 trains slowly expiring one by one
07:51	<eekee>	ohhhh ah
07:51	<eekee>	I think there's something in the global train list...
07:51	<eekee>	I also think I saw an upgrade button somewhere in the debot window, but not sure
07:51	<boekabart>	i hear there is something, never really searched.
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07:58	<iPandaMojo>	Yeah, there is a mass replace interface
07:59	<iPandaMojo>	It'll send them to depot automatically for you and everything
08:00	<iPandaMojo>	At the top UI bar, there's a train icon --- clicking it brings up a list of your traints
08:00	<iPandaMojo>	*trains
08:01	<boekabart>	iPandaMojo: and then?
08:01	<iPandaMojo>	Select "replace vehicles" from the dropdown next to the "Manage list" button to bring up the replace UI.
08:01	<iPandaMojo>	(e.g. the little down arrow)
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08:01	<boekabart>	thanks, I'll try that when next opportunity. I've been too lazy to look for it I guess.
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08:36	<boekabart>	Grass growing on unused tracks: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=591823#591823
08:36	<Kjetil>	Cool :P
08:38	<hylje>	quite
08:38	<hylje>	now if we could have graceful borderpieces
08:38	<hylje>	it would be most perfect
08:39	<boekabart>	I guess if the sprites were a bit bigger
08:39	<boekabart>	extending into the next/previous graciously... that would work, right?
08:40	<hylje>	yep
08:40	<hylje>	it could and should start right away but a bushy border would be nice looking
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09:16	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: miham * r9997 /trunk/src/lang/ (american.txt french.txt):
09:16	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-05-31 16:16:13
09:16	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: american - 30 fixed by WhiteRabbit (30)
09:16	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: french - 1 changed by glx (1)
09:17	<Kjetil>	OoO r10000 soon
09:18	<hylje>	999
09:18	<hylje>	9
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09:29	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9998 /trunk/src/fios.cpp: -Fix (r9990): possible null pointer dereferences on MorphOS.
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09:54	<clb>	could someone give me a hand? I built openttd on winxp/vs80 successfully but I suppose I'm missing something since when I try to run the game using my .exe, it complains about not being able to load any .grf -files. any ideas?
09:54	<Touqen>	Did you put the .grf files in the right location?
09:55	<clb>	I tried copying the .exe from the Release folder to the same directory where the openttd.exe resides in the latest release, openttd-0.5.2-win32.zip
09:56	<clb>	so the .grf's were in .\data\ relative to the exe, and I also tried putting the .grf's in the same directory as the exe, but no luck
09:56	<Touqen>	And your configuration file is correct?
09:56	<clb>	it just starts with 'Your 'openttd.grf' file is corrupted or missing!'
09:57	<Touqen>	clb: How are you starting it?
09:57	<clb>	I have openttd.cfg file in the same directory as the exe, and if I run the original openttd.exe from the 0.5.2 release, it starts fine
09:57	<clb>	directly from explorer, i.e. not in VS80
09:58	<Touqen>	When you downloaded the sources from SVN, it should have included all that stuff in the directories that it gets built into and should be using that version of the files, not the ones from the lastest stable.
09:59	<clb>	ah ok, so it seeks differently relative to the .exe with the latest stable?
09:59	<@peter1138>	the grfs in trunk are different from those in 0.5.2
10:00	<clb>	ah ok, I'll try the svn data files out and see how it goes
10:00	<Touqen>	clb: That's why nightlies don't include "just" the binary, but they include other stuff too.
10:02	<clb>	thanks! now it runs fine
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10:11	<Iron>	hello
10:11	<clb>	ok now, then doing the same feat in linux.. I first run ./configure which goes through fine, then make, which also succeeds, and finally when I run the binary, it just returns to prompt immediately without any warning whatsoever.
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10:13	<Iron>	why is that that i have a coal mine which i transport coal from but i can only achieve that 69% of coal is transported, while i run 3 trains on the line, 1 train always waiting at the station to load up (they're set up to full load)
10:14	<Iron>	and my rating on the station is high, 82%
10:14	<Iron>	oh damn, wait, nevermind
10:15	[~]	Iron slaps forehead
10:15	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9999 /trunk/ (12 files in 5 dirs): -Feature: make it possible to disallow busses and lorries to go a specific way on straight pieces of road.
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10:17	<izhirahider>	oh
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10:17	<izhirahider>	Who's the milestoner? :)
10:18	<hylje>	rubi most likely
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10:22	<Wolf01>	hello
10:22	<clb>	is there a way to build the binary in linux with some verbose/debug output so I could track why it would be failing?
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10:27	<skidd13>	Is there a way to convert a SpriteID to Sprite?
10:28	<Rubidium>	GetSprite(..) ?
10:28	<Rubidium>	SpriteID is something completely different than a Sprite
10:28	<Wolf01>	uhm, one way roads?
10:30	<Wolf01>	about r10k, I bet on Belugas for newindustries :D
10:30	<skidd13>	GetSprite is what I was looking for. Thanks.
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10:31	<@peter1138>	$ svn up
10:31	<@peter1138>	At revision 10000.
10:31	<boekabart>	:)
10:31	<lolman>	Just another rev then?
10:31	<Sionide>	woo!
10:32	<Touqen>	9999 one way roads?
10:32	<boekabart>	yes
10:32	<Sionide>	neat
10:32	<boekabart>	well prep for it i think
10:32	<Touqen>	interesting
10:32	<Wolf01>	you might be so evil to make a void revision for 10k
10:32	<boekabart>	Rubidium did :)
10:32	<Rubidium>	what? lies!
10:32	<Wolf01>	:D
10:33	<boekabart>	hm
10:33	<Rubidium>	svn log -r HEAD:10000 svn://svn.openttd.org
10:33	<boekabart>	someone or something did
10:33	<boekabart>	yeah, empty
10:33	<boekabart>	not even a date
10:34	<clb>	well I got the dedicated server running, but other than that, it won't do anything in client mode at all.
10:35	<@Belugas>	maybe this will please you for the "loss" of 10k : http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Industries/OilPowered.png
10:35	<@Belugas>	;)
10:36	<Wolf01>	i'm so sad i might be going home when r10k happens :(
10:36	<boekabart>	Wolf01: IT HAS HAPPENED
10:36	<boekabart>	it's an empty void commit by no-one
10:36	<boekabart>	someone had that all planned
10:36	<boekabart>	or it's an SVN feature
10:36	<lolman>	I bet it was Rubidium
10:36	<Wolf01>	i don't see it in cia
10:37	<boekabart>	heh, the betting starts again
10:37	<boekabart>	Wolf01: (5:33:11 PM) Rubidium: svn log -r HEAD:10000 svn://svn.openttd.org
10:37	<lolman>	r10000 \| (no author) \| (no date) \| 1 line
10:37	<Wolf01>	that's a fake ;)
10:38	<@peter1138>	Belugas: COMMIT!
10:38	<@peter1138>	wait, i'm not Born_Acorn...
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10:40	<@Belugas>	but close ;)
10:41	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r10001 /trunk/src/ (industry.h newgrf.cpp table/build_industry.h): -Codechange: Add support for removing dynamically allocated newgrf data
10:41	<nairan>	yay
10:41	<Wolf01>	doh
10:41	<nairan>	like someone worte they left it out
10:41	<nairan>	*wrote
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10:41	<Wolf01>	how evil :D
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10:43	<Wolf01>	i must keep silence next time :P
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10:58	<UndernotBuilder>	!openttd commit 10000
10:58	<_42_>	Commit by rubidium :: r10000 (none) (2007-05-31 15:16:44 UTC)
10:58	<UndernotBuilder>	lolz
10:58	<UndernotBuilder>	!openttd commit 10001
10:58	<_42_>	Commit by belugas :: r10001 /trunk/src/ (industry.h newgrf.cpp table/build_industry.h) (2007-05-31 15:40:36 UTC)
10:58	<_42_>	-Codechange: Add support for removing dynamically allocated newgrf data
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10:59	<UndernotBuilder>	Rubidium fooled all :D
10:59	<UndernotBuilder>	oh, and I didn't know that was possible to commit a empty revision
10:59	<skidd13>	check 9999 ;)
10:59	<UndernotBuilder>	I know
10:59	<boekabart>	Rubidium: so it WAS you after all
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11:00	<UndernotBuilder>	so... mr. X wins
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11:00	<@Belugas>	UndernotBuilder : it was not en ampty revision :) it has stuff, believe me.
11:01	<Ailure>	ah
11:01	<Ailure>	oh heh
11:01	<Ailure>	most of the revisions in a school project i'm in
11:01	<Ailure>	is like that
11:01	<Ailure>	since we're too lazy commenting what we did
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11:02	<UndernotBuilder>	so the nearest guess was the mr.x one:
11:02	<UndernotBuilder>	Or just skip 10k and go from r9999 just to r10001.
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11:15	<ledow>	Just popped in to say... Thanks Rubidium for the one-way roads. :-)
11:16	<Maedhros>	!openttd ports
11:16	<Maedhros>	!openttd port
11:16	<_42_>	Maedhros: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound)
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11:25	<Wolf01>	hello
11:27	<Sacro>	why can't one way roads have junctions?
11:27	<hylje>	one-way roads?!
11:27	<Sacro>	and why can't you convert a 1 way to 2 way automatically?
11:28	<Wolf01>	because you must set the flag in the pieces after and before the junction
11:28	<Wolf01>	as in ttdpatch
11:28	<Sacro>	Wolf01: oh?
11:28	<boekabart>	like rails, you set the sign somewhere on the road
11:28	<boekabart>	around the crossings or in the middle
11:28	<Rubidium>	ttdpatch pretends to support it on junctions, but it doesn't work on junctions
11:29	<Rubidium>	and making it work properly on junctions would require 4 times as much bits
11:29	<Wolf01>	and i like it as it is
11:29	<Sacro>	true
11:29	<Sacro>	though it'd be better if there was an "autoconvert to 2 way if needed" switch
11:30	<hylje>	its not like road junctions use a load of bits?
11:30	<Wolf01>	and now i must find a way to get the main title scroll bugfree
11:30	<Rubidium>	hylje: are you really sure about that?
11:30	<hylje>	no
11:31	<Sacro>	hmm
11:31	<Sacro>	when you drag over a one way street with one way the other way, bad things happen
11:32	<@peter1138>	"Can't build road here..."
11:32	<Sacro>	holding ctrl shouldn't toggle the status
11:32	<@peter1138>	should be "Can't make road one-way here..." or something
11:32	<Sacro>	ctrl should be always one way
11:32	<@peter1138>	nice
11:33	<Rubidium>	Sacro: and how to make a unaccessible road and/or remove onewayness?
11:33	<Sacro>	Rubidium: R
11:33	<Sacro>	unaccessable?
11:33	<Sacro>	shouldn't be allowed
11:33	<Sacro>	i keep overlaying roads and losing the one-way-ness
11:33	<Sacro>	its a pain
11:34	<boekabart>	it should works the same as railway signals imho, interface wise
11:35	<Sacro>	boekabart: yes
11:35	<Sacro>	err... maybe
11:36	<Wolf01>	found a bug
11:36	<Sacro>	and depots should convert the road peice in front
11:36	<Sacro>	and then join
11:36	<Wolf01>	and this time in trunk
11:37	<Wolf01>	to replicate it: build a road depot in the middle of nothing, purchase a vehicle, start the vehicle
11:37	<Wolf01>	asserts something on road type
11:39	<Wolf01>	GetRoadTileType(t) == ROAD_TILE_NORMAL
11:40	<Wolf01>	can i get a medal?
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11:42	<Sacro>	road_map.h:163: DisallowedRoadDirections GetDisallowedRoadDirections(TileIndex): Assertion `GetRoadTileType(t) == ROAD_TILE_NORMAL' failed.
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11:47	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10002 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r9999): don't try to get the disallowed directions from a road depot...
11:47	<boekabart>	!commit 10002
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11:48	<Rubidium>	boekabart: just be patient
11:50	<Wolf01>	peter1138, somebody recalled to my mind that i have some improvements for the transparent options, do you want some of them in separate patches?
11:53	[~]	boekabart had too much coffee today
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11:56	<Progman>	placing a one-way road vertical to an existing road build a junction, this should be rejected imo
11:57	<Rubidium>	huh?
12:00	<Progman>	wait a moment, slicing the screenshots...
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12:03	<Progman>	http://img3.shareavenue.com/image.php?file=dfb3b03674c2b872d7ec548f0dd3aa614d03959f <- before the first ctrl-click
12:04	<@Bjarni>	!logs
12:04	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
12:04	<Progman>	http://img4.shareavenue.com/image.php?file=243e202be50a0a07a523be96b07de47948b42794 <- after the first ctrl-click
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12:05	<Progman>	http://img3.shareavenue.com/image.php?file=fb74156fc5902c8b7500823b96c576581ff86a74 <- expected error message at second ctrl-click
12:05	<Progman>	so, imo it shouldn't build a junction if you try to build a one-way road vertical to an existing road
12:05	<Noldo>	oneway roads?
12:06	<Progman>	Noldo: green arrows on the 3. image
12:07	<boekabart>	Are fast vehicles supposed to overtake slow ones?
12:07	<boekabart>	ah they do :)
12:07	<hylje>	highways!
12:07	<hylje>	now we need crazy road pathfinder caching
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12:07	<hylje>	so we could have crazy amounts of rvs
12:07	<boekabart>	but slow down a lot while passing
12:09	<Progman>	ouu, overtake can be dangerous, if the miss a drive (if you have high-ways) ;)
12:09	<boekabart>	i just built a highway
12:10	<hylje>	omg
12:10	<boekabart>	and the fast busses do overtake the 56 kmh lorries
12:10	<boekabart>	but slow down to 50 first
12:10	<hylje>	:(
12:10	<boekabart>	like women passing on a highway
12:10	<hylje>	how do you pass someone at -6km/h speed difference
12:10	<boekabart>	FIRST slow down
12:10	<boekabart>	then accelerate and overtake
12:10	<Noldo>	boekabart: tell them they don't have to
12:10	<boekabart>	Noldo: easier sais than done :)
12:11	<boekabart>	said
12:11	<Progman>	but it looks cool anyway
12:11	<boekabart>	i think RVs accelerate slower than trains in ottd :(
12:11	<hylje>	rvs have less HP
12:11	<hylje>	in general
12:12	<boekabart>	hylje: also less tonnes
12:12	<Sacro>	tonnage
12:12	<boekabart>	all RVs accelerate faster than trains
12:12	<boekabart>	in real life
12:12	<hylje>	irl trains are underpowered :-)
12:12	<boekabart>	no, rv's are overpowered
12:12	<boekabart>	who needs to hit 60mph in 5 secs?
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12:15	<Wolf01>	peter1138, are you there?
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12:17	<Progman>	Rubidium: you get what I mean?
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12:18	<Rubidium>	yes, now I do... but I wonder whether it is really wanted because adding this warning would mean you cannot make one big one way road through (other) crossing roads
12:21	<Progman>	ou, you can hold and drag
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12:22	<hylje>	when 1way roads are ready
12:22	<hylje>	someone patch town AI to upgrade "mainline" streets to 2 tile
12:22	<boekabart>	hold/drag: you can, but it cancels the first one if you do it like on rails
12:23	<Rubidium>	boekabart: you do not make any sense
12:23	<boekabart>	:)
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12:24	<hylje>	well
12:24	<hylje>	welcome to the club it seems
12:24	<Progman>	one-way doesn't work for trams, do it?
12:25	<boekabart>	Rubidium: Here goes. I build a 'one way' arrow, ok.
12:25	<Sacro>	yeah... just route them round in a circle
12:25	<Sacro>	they can't turn around on their own can they?
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12:25	<boekabart>	then with ctrl, I drag from there along the road
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12:26	<boekabart>	the whole drag'area becomes oneway, but the initial tile loses its arrow
12:26	<Rubidium>	oh... that
12:26	<Rubidium>	that's because these work a little different
12:27	<boekabart>	Rubidium: to be honest... I think I'd be easier for most users if the UI for oneway would work more like the signal ui
12:27	<Rubidium>	you 'toggle' the one way status
12:27	<boekabart>	the clicking on the right side of the road with the right direction just made the lack of autoroad worse imho
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12:27	<boekabart>	a rotate, left, right, block, free would be user-friendlier I think?
12:28	<boekabart>	with a separate button like the signal button
12:30	<boekabart>	i like the feature though, just built a cloverleaf for cars
12:30	<hylje>	:o
12:30	<boekabart>	to bad cars don't seem to pass on bridges
12:32	<boekabart>	Rubidium: the worst is the 'blocked road' sign, since it IS linked to a direction but you cannot see it
12:32	<Rubidium>	boekabart: if you can get proper graphics for both autoroad and the signal stuff (maybe even some roadside stop boards?)
12:32	<Progman>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Roadway_construction#Building_one-way_roads \o/
12:32	<Rubidium>	boekabart: why can't you see the blocked road sign?
12:32	<Rubidium>	aren't those arrows clear enough?
12:33	<boekabart>	i see it, but not the direction (NW or SE) it's linked to
12:33	<boekabart>	i click SE, then middle, i have a block
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12:33	<boekabart>	but cannot change it to NW from there, only back to SW
12:33	<Rubidium>	you can; just ctrl click on the sw part
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12:34	<boekabart>	no, it changes back to SW
12:34	<Rubidium>	then you (probably) fail in clicking properly, because it works for me
12:35	<Progman>	works for me too
12:36	<Progman>	but is a little bit confusing as you click on SW on a blocked tile and the NE arrow appears (as logical as you 'remove' the SW-one-way-info)
12:36	<boekabart>	NOW i get it
12:36	<boekabart>	click on the place where you DONT want it
12:36	<boekabart>	....
12:36	<Rubidium>	boekabart: wrong
12:37	<Rubidium>	you click on the place where you want to toggle the oneway-status of
12:37	<Sacro>	its a toggle
12:37	<Rubidium>	and the red thing means that both are "on"
12:37	<Sacro>	which isn't very intuitive
12:37	<boekabart>	NOW i get it!!
12:37	<Sacro>	boekabart: yes... but it takes some headscratching
12:37	<boekabart>	sure does!
12:38	<boekabart>	basically you place a "don't enter here" sign
12:38	<Sacro>	"both-one-way road"
12:38	<boekabart>	riiight
12:38	<Sacro>	err... thats 2 way then
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12:38	<Sacro>	should be a both-no-way
12:38	<Sacro>	or a dead end
12:38	<boekabart>	then the gfx should be smth red, not green :)
12:38	<Progman>	it is
12:38	<boekabart>	i mean the other one :)
12:39	<boekabart>	Rubidium: I guess there is no place for 1-way signs on bridge heads, is there?
12:39	<Progman>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Image:Oneways.png
12:40	<Rubidium>	technically there is place
12:41	<Rubidium>	but you say CTRL click cycling is "easier" to understand?
12:41	<Rubidium>	but...
12:41	<boekabart>	actually, placing them like rail signals
12:41	<Rubidium>	when you do it like signals and you "place" these "one way signs" on the road, you won't see them as the normal signals are "allow both dirs"
12:41	<boekabart>	i see the button icon already: the one way sign :)
12:42	<Rubidium>	boekabart: that's not a button
12:42	<boekabart>	we'll make it
12:42	<boekabart>	(or have it made)
12:42	<boekabart>	i mean: as in 'the universal one-way sign', the red O with the white -
12:43	<boekabart>	Rubidium: yes, so the 4 'signal' states you cycle through are left, right, none, open
12:43	<boekabart>	open beiing without gfx
12:43	<Rubidium>	but what should the "default" (first) state be?
12:43	<boekabart>	if you want me to, i can have a go at it
12:43	<boekabart>	default = open
12:43	<boekabart>	like now
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12:43	<boekabart>	ah, the 'next'?
12:44	<boekabart>	same as with rails
12:44	<boekabart>	north
12:44	<boekabart>	(open) -> north, south, closed -> open
12:44	<boekabart>	svn up
12:44	<boekabart>	sorry
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12:44	<Rubidium>	boekabart: you can try to do it, but do it properly
12:45	<Sacro>	nooo, just disable the toggle mode
12:46	<Sacro>	i like up dragging and down dragging
12:46	<Sacro>	but make it OR 1 with ctrl
12:46	<Sacro>	and AND 0 without
12:46	<Sacro>	rather than XOR
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12:46	<boekabart>	Sacro: but why drag, you need the sign only once on the road
12:47	<Sacro>	boekabart: you have to drag for the road anyway
12:47	<boekabart>	Sacro: I don't see a good reason why to do it different than for rail
12:48	<boekabart>	just out of symmetry
12:48	<Sacro>	boekabart: alright...
12:49	<Sacro>	just get rid of the damn toggle
12:49	<Sacro>	its a pain
12:49	<TrueBrain>	BOE!
12:49	<Rubidium>	whaaah
12:49	<TrueBrain>	:) Gna!
12:51	<Progman>	the toggle is fine
12:52	<Progman>	as you use half-tiles for road-builds
12:52	<Progman>	so these fits the road-build style
12:52	<Progman>	http://img4.shareavenue.com/image.php?file=d5f768fe14c747a7079960293c23cc4cf3af24eb btw. ;)
12:53	<boekabart>	nice
12:53	<Sacro>	ooh
12:53	<Sacro>	we can do pretty road junctions now
12:54	<boekabart>	sacro: well there is a small problem still: http://boekabart.googlepages.com/ProblemWithSmallRoadClover.png
12:55	<TrueBrain>	boekabart: how is that a problem?
12:55	<boekabart>	so you need to make em a bit bigger, at least 1 tile between the small and big loop with a sign, like Progman has.
12:55	<Sacro>	yeah...
12:55	<Sacro>	cos you can't have one way over a junction
12:55	<boekabart>	TrueBrain: Try doing that on a real freeway.
12:55	<Sacro>	or one way on bridges :o
12:55	<TrueBrain>	good you never saw me drive :)
12:56	<Sacro>	TrueBrain: at least you save petrol
12:56	<TrueBrain>	my point ;)
12:56	<boekabart>	a solution is to remove the inner loops, and make the outer ones 2 way
12:56	<TrueBrain>	so one-way doesn't work on bridges? :)
12:56	<boekabart>	you can't pass on those outer loops in real life anyway
12:56	<boekabart>	TrueBrain: you can't place the signs
12:56	<Sacro>	boekabart: you can :p
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12:56	<boekabart>	Sacro: YOU can :)
12:56	<hylje>	:o
12:56	<TrueBrain>	"willen is kunnen"
12:57	<Sacro>	hylje: you alright there?
12:57	<hylje>	no
12:57	<hylje>	why?
12:57	<Sacro>	methinks he may have figured out r9999
12:57	<TrueBrain>	I like how Rubidium describe things :)
12:57	<hylje>	who
12:57	<hylje>	what
12:57	<boekabart>	1 thing is sure: the one way roads is going to cause a whole lot of traffic on the forums I think
12:57	<Sacro>	TrueBrain: it made me think for a second
12:57	<Sacro>	boekabart: but at least the traffic is now controllable
12:58	<Sacro>	can you have 2 vehicles side by side in a stop yet?
12:58	<boekabart>	Sacro: I'm very much FOR one way roads, that's not the thing
12:58	<Sionide>	if you start putting one way rounds into towns, you can muck up the AI's buses
12:58	<boekabart>	Sionide: You need to own the roads
12:58	<Sionide>	ahh
12:58	[~]	Sionide hasn't played with it yet
12:58	[~]	Sacro builds a level crossing and claims the road
12:58	<Sacro>	actually, that got fixed D:
12:58	<Sacro>	i liked that trick in tto
12:58	<boekabart>	Sacro: who didn't
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12:59	<boekabart>	there is the same thing with trams now :)
12:59	<Progman>	trams follow the same mechanic?
13:00	<Progman>	(don't have one atm.)
13:00	<Rubidium>	boekabart: what are you talking about?
13:01	<scia>	:O openttd: /home/scia/openttd/trunk/src/road_map.h:22: RoadTileType GetRoadTileType(TileIndex): Assertion `IsTileType(t, MP_STREET)' failed.
13:01	<scia>	Aborted (core dumped)
13:02	<hylje>	heh trams can collide with RVs without problems
13:03	<boekabart>	doh: on a one way signed road, cannot make a tram cross/juntion/curve
13:03	<hylje>	tramway is road
13:03	<Rubidium>	boekabart: that sounds like an issue
13:03	<Rubidium>	scia: and?
13:03	<boekabart>	Rubidium: sorry: tramways can cross, but not junction
13:03	<scia>	I build a bridge
13:04	<boekabart>	Rubidium: and can't turn
13:04	<scia>	and sent a vehicle over it
13:04	<scia>	the bridge is not connected to a road on the other side so it should reverse
13:04	<scia>	that is how it occurre
13:04	<scia>	d
13:05	<boekabart>	but
13:05	<boekabart>	Rubidium: but: if I have a tram turning into a straight road, and want to add a one way sign to it, i can
13:06	<Rubidium>	boekabart: as I said, that's a "problem"; tram tracks shouldn't care about onewayness
13:06	<boekabart>	same for a tram junction on straight road
13:06	<boekabart>	so, bug is in tramway building code, too many checks?
13:06	<Rubidium>	well, rather not enough checks ;)
13:08	<boekabart>	Anyway, trams on a one way street aren't a good idea since they will drive the wrong way :)
13:08	<hylje>	ha
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13:12	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10003 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r9999): crash when vehicle had to turn on a bridge.
13:12	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r10004 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: trams can always intersect/have junctions on one way roads (because they only work for busses and lorries).
13:13	<boekabart>	Rubidium: you fast one you
13:14	<scia>	thanks Rubidium :)
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