TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:29

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01:52	<hylje>	heh
01:52	<hylje>	my irc clock is about 2 secs late from the station clock
01:53	<hylje>	3 actually
01:54	<SpComb>	hylje: use ntp to synch your clock back up to real time then
01:54	<SpComb>	station clocks aren't always so very accurate
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02:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: miham * r9970 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files): (log message trimmed)
02:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-05-29 09:12:20
02:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 29 fixed by tucalipe (29)
02:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: catalan - 30 fixed by arnaullv (30)
02:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: danish - 1 fixed by ThomasA (1)
02:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: dutch - 29 fixed, 2 changed by webfreakz (31)
02:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: french - 30 fixed, 2 changed by glx (32)
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03:20	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9971 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r9892, r9958): loading of post-'bridges over "everything"' messed with the railtype of bridges.
03:20	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9972 /trunk/src/table/build_industry.h: -Fix (r9969): silence a warning.
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03:23	<hylje>	supressing warnings are we?
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03:24	<@Rubidium>	no, just fixing the cause of the warning ;)
03:24	<@Rubidium>	by adding a { and a }
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03:40	<Noldo>	what kind of warning was it?
03:41	<@peter1138>	compile and find out
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05:36	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: bjarni * r9973 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp:
05:36	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Cleanup: removed some code that kept both ends of a dualheaded engine in the same train (when moving wagons in a depot)
05:36	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: NormaliseTrainConsist() is called later in the same command and it will take care of this issue
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08:18	<@Belugas>	hello
08:23	<boekabart>	ssst! everyone here has been sleeping since 4:30 ago
08:23	<boekabart>	i should have said: for 4-and-a-half hours
08:24	[~]	Belugas is making coffee, maybe it will wake up some poor souls
08:24	<@Belugas>	COFFEE!!!!
08:24	<boekabart>	yes please
08:25	[~]	Belugas poors coffee on boekabart's nick
08:25	<boekabart>	/me's nick is awake
08:25	<boekabart>	bleh
08:25	[~]	boekabart 's nick is awaks
08:26	<boekabart>	anyway you all get the idea
08:26	<totalwormage>	AWAKS
08:26	<@Belugas>	:D
08:27	<TheMask96>	boekabart: still waiting for your keyboard to wake up also? ;)
08:27	<boekabart>	does anyone have any interesting thoughts on the overgrowing tracks (and why not roads) idea? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32233
08:27	<boekabart>	TheMask96: actually it's officially been awake for about 6 hours now... but hasn't produced much useful yet
08:33	<@peter1138>	boekabart: there's enough map bits free
08:34	<boekabart>	that's what I thought. just not enough gfx
08:34	<Noldo>	It doesn't effect gameplay, just random mindcandy
08:34	<@Belugas>	it cold affect gameplay
08:34	<boekabart>	well if it slows down trains a bit, or even blocks track until repaired
08:34	<@Belugas>	and i think it should affect gameplay
08:34	<@peter1138>	map bits is the biggest problem ;)
08:35	<@peter1138>	graphics too
08:35	<@peter1138>	maybe...
08:35	<Frostregen__>	graphics were done already...i think
08:35	<@peter1138>	maybe some colour remaps can be created that'll change the look of the rails
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08:35	<@peter1138>	Frostregen__: not if you wanted it compatible with replacement rail graphics
08:35	<Frostregen>	hmm, right ;)
08:36	<boekabart>	could be an overlay of course.. for each stadium you'd need ah.. 6 graphics only
08:37	<boekabart>	peter1138: do you know by heart how often tileloop is called for each tile? in ticks/days/months whichever. approx is OK
08:41	<hylje>	D:
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08:46	<@peter1138>	around 6 seconds iirc
08:46	<@peter1138>	or 6 game days
08:46	<hylje>	which is rather enough for detoriating track
08:47	<@peter1138>	well
08:47	<@peter1138>	you can do it less often
08:47	<boekabart>	oh yes
08:47	<hylje>	doing is less often is trivial
08:47	<hylje>	doing it more often is not :p
08:47	<boekabart>	well i was wondering how many 'internal states' you'd need
08:47	<hylje>	count the years of unused-ness
08:48	<@peter1138>	that's not so easy
08:48	<boekabart>	hylje: do store the 'last train' date-time?
08:48	<@peter1138>	i'd do it in the tileloop
08:48	<boekabart>	per track piece? I think a simple "1 worse per tileloop, 1 (or more) better per train/train car" counter is better
08:48	<@peter1138>	if it needs to be slower you can skip it every n-ticks
08:48	<@peter1138>	hmm, p'raps
08:48	<boekabart>	peter1138: how would you do that? skip ticks?
08:49	<boekabart>	if tick%2==0? ;)
08:49	<@peter1138>	i thought so
08:49	<@peter1138>	but i think that may not work
08:49	<boekabart>	it will be irregular probably
08:49	<@peter1138>	well, doesn't matter too much
08:49	<boekabart>	anyway, how much bits do tracks have available, let see
08:49	<@peter1138>	or you could use a large counter in the map and ignore the least significant bits
08:50	<boekabart>	23
08:51	<hylje>	quite a lot
08:51	<boekabart>	6 track pieces, 3 bits only per
08:51	<boekabart>	and IMHO that takes too much map-space, 18 bits for this
08:51	<boekabart>	maybe not do it per track piece... :(
08:52	<hylje>	per track segment (split-split, end-end or combination thereof)?
08:53	<hylje>	the engine doesnt support that kind of thinking i suppose?
08:53	<boekabart>	not easily, maybe internally in yapf
08:54	<boekabart>	peter1138: any idea what level crossing uses m7 for?
08:54	<boekabart>	found it, road types
08:55	<@peter1138>	i'd leave it to just plain track, heh
08:55	<@peter1138>	and just per tile, not per track
08:56	<boekabart>	are 2 bits enough per piece... ponder ponder :)
08:58	<@peter1138>	might work if you had a very slow counter
08:59	<@Bjarni>	like new month event... the tracks decay one count for each month
08:59	<@Bjarni>	hmm
09:00	<@Bjarni>	maybe that's too fast when using only 2 bits
09:19	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	make a yearly counter, and each time a train passes, reset it
09:20	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	not an ideal solution
09:20	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	but if a track is unused for 3 years, you have to send a special repair train over it
09:21	<hylje>	ooo.. micromanagement
09:21	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	or remove and rebuild it
09:21	<boekabart>	Eddi\|zuHause2: rebuild
09:21	<boekabart>	that's the suggestion in the forum: last state is 'broken', pathfinder skips track, needs rebuilding.
09:21	<boekabart>	or trains crash on it :)
09:24	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i don't really agree with the rebuilding thing (in a realism sense, and this feature clearly is about realism)
09:24	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	there are tracks that are unused for 20 years and can be reopened for much less price than complete rebuild
09:25	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	and in a realistic game, (re)building tracks should take time
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09:25	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	could use a similar counter, and have a "in construction" state
09:26	<hylje>	yes!
09:27	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	MB made a "catenary service unit" for that kind of realistic track management
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09:29	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	but this counter thing really should be on a per-tile basis, not per-trackbit basis
09:30	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it'd be too much waste of space
09:30	<boekabart>	A beglian train decided that it wanted to use a long-abandoned (although not officially closed) railroad in the south of holland a couple of months ago. The dutch railway authorities (prorail) were forced to repair it for that. ;)
09:30	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	the majority of all rail tiles only have one trackbit anyway
09:30	<Vikthor>	boekabart: Concerning the graphics, would somemething like this be suitable? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=280740
09:30	<boekabart>	Eddi\|zuHause2: But not the parallel vertical & horizontal tracks....
09:30	<Luukland>	TrueBrain: your topic of idea's for r10K is not very populair.....
09:31	<boekabart>	Vikthor: excellent!
09:32	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	boekabart: and is that really a big deal?
09:32	<boekabart>	Eddi\|zuHause2: dunno
09:32	<boekabart>	might look ugly
09:32	<boekabart>	50% of the tiles of 1 track 'new', rest overgrown :(
09:33	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9974 /trunk/src/industry.h: -Codechange: Remove the enabled member of GRFFileProps, since it'snot really grf related
09:33	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	we should really cut tiles into four (diagonally), would get rid of this double-track hack things
09:33	<boekabart>	Vikthor: they look good
09:34	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	boekabart: it looks the same way with catenary over only one of the two parallel tracks
09:34	<boekabart>	true. usually, parallel tracks have similar usage
09:34	<boekabart>	Vikthor: but I think just an overlay of the 'change' would work better since it would most likely be compatible with all replacement track sprites
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09:35	<Vikthor>	I am glad to hear that you like them, but I am not the author of them, Marek of Tycoonez community is.
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09:37	<Luukland>	Heya, is there someone here, who can "help" me setting up an OpenTTD server, on my domain, because at home i am firewalled (2x)
09:37	<Vikthor>	But I think that they are made of overlay, there extra sprite for rails, sleepers, weed and others
09:40	<UndernotBuilder>	r9974 industry.h <-- nothing relationed with new industries right?
09:41	<Vikthor>	boekabart: There is even Marek's page when you can "generate" your own tracks http://tram.wz.cz/tycoonez/railset/
09:44	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9975 /trunk/src/table/build_industry.h: -Codechange: Adjust the industry/tile spec arrays, moving the enabled member out of GRFFileProps (end of previous commit).
09:45	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	UndernotBuilder: it's all preparation for newindustries
09:45	<UndernotBuilder>	:O
09:45	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	in babysteps :)
09:45	<@Belugas>	lies
09:45	<@Rubidium>	statistics!
09:45	<@Belugas>	i'm preparing trunk for diagonal roads!
09:45	<@Belugas>	not
09:45	[~]	UndernotBuilder aims at Eddi\|zuHause2 and Belugas
09:46	[~]	Luukland gives UndernotBuilder a mp4k
09:46	[~]	UndernotBuilder shoots
09:47	[~]	Belugas cannot be reached, he's on another continent :P
09:47	<hylje>	:o
09:47	<Luukland>	0_o
09:47	<Luukland>	dams
09:48	[~]	UndernotBuilder requests a intercontinental missile
09:48	[~]	Luukland gives UndernotBuilder not a mp4k but an Intercontinental missile (serial numer: XC54-GHD7)
09:49	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	btw.: <Luukland> And of course the change of rail tracks: - normal - elecric - highspeed - monorail - megalev <- it has nothing to do with "mega" ... it's "Magnetic Levitation", or short "MagLev"
09:49	[~]	UndernotBuilder is happy. UndernotBuilder aims at Belugas. Start countdown. 5...4...3...2...1...shoot. Belugas is dead
09:50	<Luukland>	:P
09:50	<Luukland>	Eddi du weiBt was ich mein
09:50	<Luukland>	so please :P
09:51	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it's not about what i know
09:51	<boekabart>	Vikthor: Played with the track generator... too bad you can't get a grf in the end :(
09:51	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it's about correcting you, so you won't make a mistake the next time
09:51	<Luukland>	>_<
09:51	<Luukland>	i prefer to call it Megalev
09:51	<Luukland>	so in the future, i will still call it Megalev
09:52	<@Belugas>	<Voice_falling_from_the_sky>"And now, you will NEVER have newindustries!!!"</Voice_falling_from_the_sky>
09:53	<Luukland>	0_o god has spoken!!
09:53	<@Belugas>	naaa... just an angel
09:53	<@Belugas>	peter1138 is the God
09:53	<+glx>	Belugas: show your power ;)
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09:55	[~]	UndernotBuilder learns C++ and starts to code newindustries :P
09:55	<Vikthor>	boekabart: Its just simple app, just for showing-off, but I will tell Marek you are interested in his graphics, when he comes online.
09:55	<@Rubidium>	UndernotBuilder: you need to know C, C++ and x86 assembly for that ;)
09:56	<@Belugas>	and openttd internals too, and newhouses code and newgrf and...
09:56	<@Belugas>	hum
09:56	<@Belugas>	a lot more :)
09:57	[~]	UndernotBuilder shuts down
09:57	<UndernotBuilder>	up*
09:58	<@Belugas>	no... keep on, you're amusing :D
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10:06	<Sacro\|Laptop>	x86 asm?
10:06	<Sacro\|Laptop>	thats hardly cross platform
10:06	<boekabart>	Vikthor: Thanks.
10:07	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Sacro\|Laptop: it's not for programming in, it's for reading the TTDP implementation
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10:08	<@Belugas>	wise Eddi\|zuHause2 :)
10:08	<Sacro\|Laptop>	Eddi\|zuHause2: fair point
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11:11	<UndernotBuilder>	WTF
11:16	<Hendikins>	Well said.
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11:16	<hylje>	lol wut
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11:30	<XeryusTC>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=591111#591111 :)
11:32	<hylje>	omg! train! on a track!
11:32	<hylje>	near the coastline!
11:33	[~]	boekabart is not impressed yet... does he miss something important?
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11:33	<Wolf01>	hello
11:33	<hylje>	Belugas: probably not
11:34	<hylje>	boekabart*
11:34	<hylje>	heh looks like irssi doesnt count actions when deciding who talked last
11:35	<Wolf01>	somebody who joins and see "Belugas: probably not" thinks about newindustries death :O
11:35	<boekabart>	then it should have been Wolf
11:35	<boekabart>	*Wolf01
11:36	<Wolf01>	any suggestion about fixing the writing on the title screen when scrolling?
11:36	<XeryusTC>	boekabart: it's a train, one a two way line, in an OTTD game, and not brianetta's!
11:36	<XeryusTC>	Wolf01: redraw when you scroll :P
11:37	<XeryusTC>	like, redrawing every tick >:)
11:37	<Wolf01>	yes i tried
11:37	<Wolf01>	a big slowdown
11:38	<hylje>	overlay
11:38	<hylje>	transparent window
11:39	<Wolf01>	yes i already thought about placing a transparent gui there
11:39	<Wolf01>	and painting the letters over it
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11:40	<Wolf01>	http://img1.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/a/d/9/e/c/ad9ec8b6577bfb2b3b2688c2415c64df_full.jpg lol
11:41	<hylje>	infinite loop tiem
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12:07	<UndernotBuilder>	what is the possibility of getting this patch http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32227 in trunk?
12:08	<Sionide>	high
12:08	<Sionide>	i reckon anyway..
12:08	<Sionide>	Wolf01 is a genius
12:09	<Wolf01>	low, because i'm trying to find a decent way to get the full thing working well
12:10	<blathijs>	Wolf01: Isn't there a constant 74 somewhere? The 37 literal in that patch shouldn't be there
12:10	<blathijs>	TICKS_PER_DAY or something?
12:10	<Wolf01>	DAY_TICKS
12:10	<Wolf01>	DAY_TICKS/2, but if i want to change the day duration?
12:11	<Wolf01>	i might set it to "scroll every XX days"
12:11	<Wolf01>	instead of seconds
12:11	<blathijs>	I'm not really sure if we have a TICKS_PER_SECOND constant or some other way to measure time...
12:12	<Wolf01>	is not to measure time, but since a day (74 ticks) lasts for about 2 seconds
12:12	<@Bjarni>	well, if the game is overloading the system, the ticks/day doesn't match real time
12:12	<@Bjarni>	the same goes for fast forward
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12:16	<blathijs>	Wolf01: I mean, there is not really any way to measure real time (as opposed to in-game time) in a simple way (AFAIK)
12:17	<Wolf01>	is easy to change, i can do it now, as i'm working on it
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12:41	<Luukland>	total silance....
12:41	<@Belugas>	silEnce
12:41	<Luukland>	>_<
12:42	<Luukland>	c'est français ^^
12:42	<@Belugas>	^_^
12:42	<@Belugas>	meme pas!
12:42	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9976 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
12:42	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: Declare a writable array of specs for industry and industry tiles.
12:42	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: It will be initialized by the original data upon game start.
12:42	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: Rename some enums to be more consistent too
12:42	<Luukland>	vingt-quatre to go
12:42	<Luukland>	24 to go untill r10.000 :)
12:42	<@Belugas>	frenglish
12:43	<Luukland>	je le sais
12:43	<@Belugas>	He said "I know" ;)
12:43	<Luukland>	I know it...
12:43	<Luukland>	je sais = I know
12:43	<@Belugas>	"they"may not ! lol
12:44	<Luukland>	qu est ce-que tu habites?
12:44	<Luukland>	(where do you live?)
12:44	<+glx>	you asked "what'
12:44	<@Rubidium>	In a country far far away...
12:45	<@Belugas>	Luukland : PM
12:49	<Luukland>	hmmm, ok
12:53	<Luukland>	Rubidium? Zou u mij kunnen helpen met een openTTD server? (mag ik in query?)
12:54	<@Rubidium>	huh?
12:54	<@Belugas>	do it in PM, please Luukland
12:54	<Luukland>	(mag ik in query?) = darf ich Sie queryen? = May i query you ^^
12:55	<Luukland>	i am polite enough to ask someone if i may query him/her, so i do not drop in, without permission :)
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12:57	<Luukland>	Rubidium?
12:57	<@Rubidium>	that last part of the sentence does not make any sense
12:57	<@Rubidium>	but how do you think I can help you any better than most of the others?
12:58	<Luukland>	i do not think that :P
12:58	<@Rubidium>	well, you did ask it directly to me
12:59	<Luukland>	hmm, you are right
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12:59	<Luukland>	Could someone help me with setting up an OTTD server?
12:59	<Desolator>	dedicated or normal?
12:59	<@Rubidium>	the real question is, what have you already done?
12:59	<Luukland>	Xnothing :P
12:59	<Luukland>	i have windows
13:00	<Luukland>	i am firewalled twice
13:00	<Desolator>	like...?
13:00	<Luukland>	one router
13:00	<@Rubidium>	you need to forward some ports
13:00	<Luukland>	and also a livebox
13:00	<@DorpsGek>	Rubidium: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound)
13:00	<@Rubidium>	^ those
13:00	<Luukland>	hmmm
13:00	<Luukland>	UDP also
13:00	<Luukland>	one moment please :P
13:01	<Desolator>	rubidium, do you have any useful @commands?
13:01	<Desolator>	@help
13:01	<@DorpsGek>	Desolator: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
13:01	<Desolator>	....
13:01	<Desolator>	@help openttd
13:01	<@DorpsGek>	Desolator: Error: There is no command "openttd".
13:01	<Desolator>	@help openttd help
13:01	<@DorpsGek>	Desolator: Error: There is no command "openttd help".
13:01	<@Rubidium>	UDP is only needed if you want to be selectable from the ingame GUI
13:01	<Desolator>	oh well...
13:02	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9977 /branches/0.5/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [0.5] -Prepare 0.5 branch for release of 0.5.2.
13:02	<Desolator>	may I ask why it odesn't use TCP?
13:02	<UndernotBuilder>	:O
13:02	<Luukland>	i have opened port 3979 on my livebox, and router
13:03	<Luukland>	but i still can't find my own game
13:03	<Desolator>	open 3978 too, unless you want people typing ur ip
13:03	<Wolf01>	@help plugin command
13:03	<@DorpsGek>	Wolf01: Error: There is no command "plugin command".
13:03	<@Rubidium>	Desolator: because windows doesn't like opening 150 TCP connections at once
13:03	<hylje>	wut
13:03	<hylje>	ah serverinfo
13:04	<Desolator>	scream to M$
13:04	<hylje>	like they listen
13:04	<UndernotBuilder>	hey w
13:04	<UndernotBuilder>	accidently pressed enter sorry
13:05	<UndernotBuilder>	how do you imagine a (O)TTD(P) speedrun?
13:05	<Luukland>	opened ports 3978 till 3979, but still can't find my own game
13:06	<Luukland>	even by typing the IP of my connection
13:06	<@Rubidium>	Luukland: you won't find your own game because it (usually) cannot connect to it due to the routing stuff
13:06	<Luukland>	correct
13:06	<@Rubidium>	did you enable advertising?
13:06	<Luukland>	no i did not
13:06	<Luukland>	now i did
13:06	<@Rubidium>	then it won't even be in the list
13:07	<Luukland>	advertising = on
13:07	<Luukland>	only if i search for LAN, i can find my own game
13:07	<@Rubidium>	Luukland: did you forward those ports, or did you only open them?
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13:08	<Luukland>	hmmmm... Good question
13:08	<Luukland>	( I hate the Livebox)
13:08	<Luukland>	only opened it >_<
13:08	<Luukland>	&$%&(!) !!!
13:09	<Luukland>	NAT = forwarding? (or something?)
13:09	<@Belugas>	Network Address Translation
13:10	<@Rubidium>	it could be, but it could also be only for internal->external
13:11	[~]	Luukland goes searching the internet for portforwarding on a livebox
13:12	<+glx>	http://192.168.1.1 IIRC
13:12	<Desolator>	127.0.0.1
13:12	<Luukland>	??
13:12	<+glx>	Desolator: no the router can't be there
13:13	<Luukland>	Someone joined my game :S
13:13	<Desolator>	forward ports to 127.0.0.1
13:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9978 /tags/0.5.2/ (. Makefile network.c openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): -Release 0.5.2.
13:13	<Desolator>	eek!
13:13	[~]	Luukland screams: It works!!
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13:15	<Luukland>	May i ask everyone to search for my server?
13:15	<UndernotBuilder>	my browser refuses to load any non-already-opened webpage, what can be happening?
13:15	<UndernotBuilder>	it is not loading even google
13:15	<Luukland>	I would like to test if you can join...
13:15	<UndernotBuilder>	I too want try
13:15	<Desolator>	don't look at me, I don't touch stables
13:15	<Luukland>	:P
13:16	<Desolator>	they're too "stable"
13:16	<Luukland>	and i am right now the host
13:16	<Luukland>	but i use also a slot
13:16	<Desolator>	so?
13:16	<Luukland>	i do not want to play on my own server ^^
13:16	<Desolator>	bug the devs to make a bigger limit
13:16	<Desolator>	then make a dedicated server
13:17	<Luukland>	hmm, for Windows?
13:17	<Desolator>	yeah
13:17	[~]	Luukland is noob
13:17	<UndernotBuilder>	I can't neither search OTTD games
13:17	<Desolator>	there was a command-line for that...
13:17	<Luukland>	could you tell me how to do that?
13:17	<Desolator>	no idea
13:17	<Desolator>	Rubidium: !
13:18	<Luukland>	:P
13:18	<@Rubidium>	Desolator: ?
13:18	<Desolator>	look above
13:18	<Desolator>	how do u start a dedicated server on win?
13:18	<@Rubidium>	./openttd --help
13:18	<Thomas[NL]>	Luukland , -D [ip][:port] = Start dedicated server
13:19	<UndernotBuilder>	I too need help
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13:19	<Luukland>	Thomas[NL] :P, where should i type that?
13:19	<Desolator>	make a shortcut to openttd.org
13:19	<UndernotBuilder>	I can't load any page nor search openttd servers
13:19	<Desolator>	*openttd.exe
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13:19	<Luukland>	done
13:20	<Desolator>	w wait for my explorer.exe crash...
13:20	<Desolator>	*now
13:20	<Luukland>	>_<
13:20	<Desolator>	ok
13:20	<Desolator>	oen it's properties
13:20	<Desolator>	*open
13:20	<Thomas[NL]>	i just noticed: -x = Do not automatically save to config file on exit can't this been made standard ?
13:20	<Luukland>	Desolator one moment
13:20	<Luukland>	wait for my firefox crash
13:21	<Luukland>	>_<
13:21	<Eddi\|zuHause>	Thomas[NL]: if that was standard, there would never be a config file
13:22	<Desolator>	"C:\OTTD\OpenTTD.exe" -D 82.77.167.49:3944
13:22	<Thomas[NL]>	that's true... I thought it would solve this problem: http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32211 but it isn't either :)
13:22	<Desolator>	put something like that in the target property of the shortcut
13:22	<Luukland>	ok
13:23	[~]	Desolator farts
13:23	[~]	Desolator in order to clear the room of people with good smell
13:24	<Luukland>	euuh Desolator by replacing the target with that i get an error
13:24	<Desolator>	maybe you didn't set the corrent path....
13:24	<Desolator>	ok, I got to go
13:24	<Desolator>	see ya
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13:24	<Luukland>	>_<
13:25	<Thomas[NL]>	Luukland what path do you use now?
13:25	<Luukland>	"C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\OpenTTD.exe -D XX.XXX.XX.XXX:3797"
13:26	<Thomas[NL]>	try putting -D xxx... behind the "
13:27	<Luukland>	hmmm
13:27	<Luukland>	it accepts the target
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13:28	<Luukland>	but when i double click on the shortcut, a small screen opens
13:28	<Luukland>	nothing more
13:28	<Thomas[NL]>	btw your ip is not needed i think
13:29	<Luukland>	ok
13:29	<Luukland>	it works
13:29	<Luukland>	it says something about: master server :S
13:29	[~]	Hendikins fixes up his port forwarding so that he can host games on both his connections
13:30	<Luukland>	Thomas[NL]? What should i do next?
13:30	<Thomas[NL]>	Luukland, read http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Dedicated_Servers
13:31	<Thomas[NL]>	in openttd.cfg you can set many settings
13:31	<Hendikins>	Is there a setting to disable aircraft completely? :P
13:32	<Luukland>	hmmm ok Thomas[NL] thx
13:32	<hylje>	Hendikins: yes
13:32	<Luukland>	the .cfg in the directory correct?
13:32	<Thomas[NL]>	Hedinkins, max_ships = 0 maybe
13:32	<Thomas[NL]>	yes
13:32	<hylje>	max_planes is closer to it
13:32	<hylje>	ships = boats
13:32	<Thomas[NL]>	:P whoops
13:32	<Wolf01>	goosh... is a pain to draw the letters in a window :(
13:32	<Hendikins>	Yeah, I might set max_planes = 0 in my configs.
13:34	<Luukland>	And Thomas[NL] if i want to pause the server directly
13:34	<Wolf01>	the OPENTTD writing with a black background is the same for you?
13:35	<Luukland>	so it does not run, also if someone joins
13:35	<Luukland>	so that it is paused "for ever"
13:35	<Thomas[NL]>	if you run the server via the console just type pause
13:36	<Luukland>	ok :P
13:36	<Wolf01>	or rcon password pause
13:36	<Luukland>	hmmmm
13:36	<Luukland>	ok
13:37	<Luukland>	(and where can i set the scenario?)
13:38	<Thomas[NL]>	* ls - List the files of the current directory, a number will be beside each one, which represents <no> below.
13:38	<Thomas[NL]>	* cd <no> - Go to directory <no> as listed with ls.
13:38	<Thomas[NL]>	* load <no> - Loads file <no> as listed with ls.
13:38	<Thomas[NL]>	i think
13:38	<Thomas[NL]>	read the wiki
13:39	<Luukland>	ah :P
13:39	<Luukland>	thx
13:40	<Wolf01>	you can't load scenarios
13:40	<Luukland>	:S
13:40	<Wolf01>	start them with normal game, save them and load the savegame
13:41	<Thomas[NL]>	the wiki says you can :o
13:41	<Wolf01>	don't ask me why loading scenarios is not possible... i tried, and i was able only this way
13:41	<Thomas[NL]>	-g "scenario/Africa and Middle-East.scn" for example
13:41	<Luukland>	you can also load savegames and scenarios
13:41	<Luukland>	^^
13:42	<Wolf01>	that is the command line, you can't from the dedicated server console
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13:43	<Wolf01>	i also have a dedicated icon on my desktop with only -g, so i can drag&drop every savegame or scenario i want over it and play directly
13:46	<Hendikins>	You know what would theoretically be nice? P2P ottd.
13:46	<Luukland>	-__
13:46	<Luukland>	Wolf01 what should be the target then?
13:46	<Hendikins>	If for no other reason than having redundant access to my games :P
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13:47	<Wolf01>	i call it "play, now!"
13:48	<Wolf01>	i like to have an entire set of icons: game, editor, server, docs..."
13:48	<@Rubidium>	Hendikins: p2p as in peer-to-peer? That is a theoretical nightmare to get properly synchronized
13:48	<Hendikins>	Rubidium: No, it would be a practical nightmare to get properly synchronised. Theoretically it would work like a charm, as everything does in theory :)
13:49	<Luukland>	and i also get 10x a minute a irritating message in my dedicated server: it says: NED UDP queryd from 764:65:74:094
13:49	<Luukland>	how can i turn that off?
13:50	<Luukland>	*NED = NET
13:50	<Hendikins>	How about just ignoring it?
13:50	<Wolf01>	http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/main_title_scroll_9975.diff
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13:50	<Luukland>	Hendikins if you want to type your command
13:50	<Wolf01>	i don't know how to make it better
13:50	<Luukland>	it is very irritating
13:50	<Hendikins>	Luukland: ...it won't matter. I run dedicated :)
13:50	<Luukland>	>_<
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13:50	<kaan>	hi all
13:50	<Luukland>	kaan :)
13:51	<Luukland>	of BuildOTTD?
13:51	<kaan>	yup :)
13:51	<Luukland>	well, i have some problems :)
13:51	<kaan>	oki
13:51	<Luukland>	query ok with you?
13:51	<kaan>	sure, fire away :)
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13:55	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9979 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Merge: release changes from 0.5.
13:56	<Wolf01>	uhm, i just found a bug, the game crashes when i try to resize the window :\
13:56	<Luukland>	0_o
13:56	<Luukland>	21r's till the magical 10.000 :)
13:57	<@Bjarni>	Wolf01: head or 0.5.2?
13:57	<Wolf01>	head
13:57	<Wolf01>	almost
13:57	<@Bjarni>	ok
13:57	<@Bjarni>	it worked when I tried it with 0.5.2 a moment ago
13:57	<@peter1138>	seems ok for me, right now
13:57	<Wolf01>	no, my patch
13:58	<@peter1138>	oh, heh
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13:58	<@peter1138>	lol
13:58	<@Bjarni>	works in head for me as well
13:58	<Luukland>	:S
13:58	<@Bjarni>	damn
13:58	[~]	Bjarni slaps Wolf01
13:59	<Wolf01>	:D
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13:59	<@Bjarni>	please tell that it's your modified code that crashes and not the clean one
13:59	<@Bjarni>	now we went bug hunting for it :/
13:59	<@peter1138>	Bjarni, we should charge him for our time
13:59	<@Bjarni>	yeah
13:59	<@peter1138>	€75 an hour, minium 1 hour, 2 people...
14:00	<Wolf01>	i just linked the patch some minutes ago
14:01	<@Bjarni>	we were busy releasing so we didn't pay attention until you said your game crashed
14:01	<Wolf01>	http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/main_title_scroll_9975.diff <-
14:01	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9980 /trunk/os/win32/installer/ (install.nsi notice.ini): -Merge: Windows Installer changes in 0.5 (r9864).
14:03	<Luukland>	ah rr980
14:03	<Luukland>	download!! :P
14:04	<UndernotBuilder>	!openttd commit 1337
14:04	<_42_>	Commit by tron :: r1337 /trunk/ (15 files) (2005-01-03 12:56:22 UTC)
14:05	<_42_>	Use MapMax[XY]() (or MapSize[XY]() if appropriate) instead of TILE_MAX_[XY]
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