TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:28

---	Log	opened Mon May 28 00:00:20 2007
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00:18	<Jerub>	yipe
00:18	<Jerub>	http://www.tt-forums.net/files/scr4_131.png
00:18	<Jerub>	that just scares me.
00:19	<_Mist_>	yowsa
00:19	<Jerub>	oh, that's ttdpatch only
00:19	<Jerub>	and requires pbs.
00:19	<_Mist_>	pbs?
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00:20	<Jerub>	path based signalling
00:20	<_Mist_>	right
00:21	<Jerub>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=586956 is interesting too. Interesting use of the new bridge stuff.
00:21	<Jerub>	but would work on a normal track too with extended station entrance..
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01:51	<mikk36>	damn it's hot here... :/
01:51	<mikk36>	http://weather.ee/
01:52	<mikk36>	and it's still rising quickly
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02:27	<mikk36>	23 and rising :(
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02:57	<Luukland>	Purno, precies de goede :P
02:57	<Luukland>	die industrieset van jou, werkt ie ook bij openTTD?
02:57	<Purno>	ik heb geen industrieset gemaakt
02:57	<Luukland>	:S
02:59	<Luukland>	grmbl, your right, het is die van pikkabird -_-
02:59	<Luukland>	weet jij toevallig wel hoe ik newcargos en newindustries switches aan kan zetten binnen openTTD?
03:02	<Luukland>	Purno?
03:02	<Purno>	nopes
03:02	<Purno>	weet ik niet
03:02	<Luukland>	:P
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03:04	<@peter1138>	what?
03:04	<mikk36>	could you guys please talk on english ?
03:05	<mikk36>	in*
03:05	<Luukland>	was just a chat between us :P
03:05	<Luukland>	i will translate it for you
03:06	<Luukland>	weet jij toevallig wel hoe ik newcargos en newindustries switches aan kan zetten binnen openTTD? <<<>>> Do you know how to put the switches newcargos and newindustries on in OpenTTD?
03:06	<@peter1138>	switches. lol
03:06	<@peter1138>	newcargos is always on
03:06	<@peter1138>	newindustries will be always on when it's finished
03:07	<Luukland>	hmm, according to the newgrf i use, it sais: newcargos and newindustries must be on
03:07	<Luukland>	and then it deactivates itself
03:07	<@peter1138>	well, ok, newcargos is always on the nightlies
03:07	<@peter1138>	but a grf error message may not distinguish between them
03:07	<Luukland>	i use nightly's :P
03:08	<@peter1138>	i.e. the grf may check for cargos, then check for industries, and then display the same error message for either
03:08	<mikk36>	newindustries is not in the nighlties yet, peter1138 ?
03:08	<@peter1138>	no
03:09	<mikk36>	then that error is understandable
03:09	<Luukland>	:S
03:11	<mikk36>	what's still mystery for you ?
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03:13	<Luukland>	nothing mikk36
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03:42	<Frostregen>	Rubidium: thx for fs#813... gave me quite a headache yesterday...thought i did something wrong (copy&paste)
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07:02	<Jerub>	that industry patch I've been playing with has been awesome
07:02	<Noldo>	which one?
07:02	<Jerub>	the entire game changes.
07:03	<Jerub>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=30898
07:03	<Jerub>	it's suddenly no longer "I wonder how far I can carry coal"
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07:07	<kaan>	hello all
07:07	<@peter1138>	newindustries helps that
07:07	<kaan>	you sure?
07:07	<hylje>	no
07:07	<kaan>	I dont want to stop greeting you :)
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07:16	<kaan>	now thats a rare sight
07:16	<kaan>	ubuntu just asked me to reboot after an automatic softwareupdate
07:17	<@Rubidium>	then there must be some major kernel bug or so
07:17	<kaan>	it did get e new kernelimage :)
07:17	<kaan>	i better reboot then :P
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07:18	<Sionide>	give or take, it's the only time you'll need to reboot after an ubuntu update
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07:22	<kaan>	there, should be settled now :)
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07:42	<Jerub>	hm. need to report bugs to the author though.
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07:47	[~]	Tobin waves
07:47	<redmonkey>	why aren't you on freenode anymore?
07:47	[~]	Kjetil chops Tobins hand off. Keep your hands in the vehicle at all times
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07:48	<Tobin>	redmonkey: You mean why isn't the channel there anymore?
07:49	<redmonkey>	yes, thats what i meant :)
07:49	<Tobin>	There were lots of reliability problems, IIRC.
07:49	<Tobin>	Frequent netsplits and the like.
07:49	<+glx>	and spam
07:49	<Kjetil>	(and the now dead lilo was an idiot)
07:49	<TrueBrain>	there was nothing wrong with the reliability in fact
07:49	<Tobin>	I think the frequent lilo spam annoyed people too.
07:50	<TrueBrain>	it was perfectly okay
07:50	<TrueBrain>	it were the restrictions
07:50	<Tobin>	Kjetil: Yeah.
07:50	<TrueBrain>	no PM without registering......
07:50	<TrueBrain>	shit like that
07:50	<TrueBrain>	nobody wants an IRC Network where you are limited in your freedom
07:50	<redmonkey>	oh okay.. i hope you'll have more luck on this server here
07:50	<TrueBrain>	so far it works just fine :)
07:51	<+glx>	we had a "little" problem when they upgraded services, but that's all
07:51	<TrueBrain>	everyone is allowed to make mistakes from time to time :)
07:51	<+glx>	but they are very reactive
07:52	<TrueBrain>	you can say that again :)
07:52	<TrueBrain>	it took them, what, 2 minutes? :p
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07:53	<+glx>	TrueBrain: I'm not talking about the 'disconnection' but the little bug you found
07:54	<TrueBrain>	glx: I Was talking about that too :)
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08:09	<XeryusTC>	<TrueBrain> nobody wants an IRC Network where you are limited in your freedom <- total anarchy ftw!
08:13	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	lack of restrictions != lack of rules
08:14	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	rules ::= you can break them, but you have to live with the consequences
08:14	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	restrictions ::= you cannot break them
08:14	<Jerub>	in my experience, everyone who remains after someone is banned is respectful of their lack of freedom.
08:17	<Tobin>	Jerub: It helps that people who get banned are usually annoying.
08:18	<@peter1138>	hmm, but bjarni's not banned yet
08:19	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yeah, that makes me wonder from time to time, too :)
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08:56	<UndernotBuilder>	can we rename DorpsGek to Wire so when we kick someone appears "jasperthecat1 has been kicked by Wire..." ?
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08:57	<TheJosh>	Hey all
08:57	<TheJosh>	long time no see
08:57	<hylje>	hi
08:57	<TheJosh>	whats up (other then the sky, trams, and train groups)
08:58	<hylje>	err, nothing?
08:58	<TheJosh>	2 wicked features at practically the same time. 0.6 is going to be so awsome
08:59	<redmonkey>	is there a list of whats going to be new in version 0.6?
08:59	<Sionide>	TheJosh, two new zoom levels...?
08:59	<kaan>	yup, in the wiki somewhere
08:59	<+glx>	somewhere in the wiki
08:59	<kaan>	heh
08:59	<TheJosh>	i was thinking of another feature the other day, havent started a patch yet. I was going to be 'clone quantities'. my only issue was i wanted to know if you can capture ctrl on a button click
08:59	<redmonkey>	ok, i'll check, thanks
08:59	<@Rubidium>	under 'development' to be a little more precise
08:59	<UndernotBuilder>	a question: can be added to town founding patch a option for random cities generation like industries?
09:00	<TheJosh>	Sionide: i know, how cool are they?
09:00	<Sionide>	TheJosh, very!
09:00	<TheJosh>	UndernotBuilder: you can generate random cities...in the scenario editor
09:00	<TheJosh>	random industries i mean
09:01	<kaan>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Roadmap_0.6
09:01	<UndernotBuilder>	but I mean ingame, so suddenly appears "A new town is being builded near [another town]
09:01	<kaan>	there it was
09:01	<UndernotBuilder>	so for 0.6.0 only lacks newindustries and bugfixes?
09:02	<kaan>	seems that way
09:02	<TheJosh>	UndernotBuilder: if that was to happen, i would put in a different patch.
09:02	<UndernotBuilder>	better so ;)
09:03	<TheJosh>	so we should all work on newindustries to get it done?
09:03	<UndernotBuilder>	the problem is where two people work on the same line, it should get conflicts
09:03	<hylje>	conflicts are what subversion is made to migitate
09:04	<TheJosh>	yeah i know. i made a cities patch about the same time as maethdros (i know i probs spelt his nick wrong)
09:04	<UndernotBuilder>	What means "Cargo translation table support" in the roadmap?
09:05	<TheJosh>	Should some of the minor features that have been added get listed there as well? such as the zoom levels, trams, and train groups?
09:07	<UndernotBuilder>	what happened to new map array? is it under development yet?
09:07	<+glx>	no
09:08	<UndernotBuilder>	so what's up with that?
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09:11	<TheJosh>	hey are there any plans for a specific grf to be used for trams in the future? one that comes stock-standard?
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09:13	<kaan>	i think that there is generally just hope that someone makes a trams set that supports company colors
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09:17	<TheJosh>	how hard is it to make a GRF? ill give it a shot
09:17	<@Belugas>	quite easier than what people imagine
09:17	<kaan>	I have no idea
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09:19	<TheJosh>	is there like a tool or something?
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09:20	<+glx>	text editor + pcx editor + grfcodec
09:21	<+glx>	and wiki.ttdpatch.net
09:21	<@Belugas>	the latter is REALLY needed!
09:21	<@Belugas>	like... KNOW it
09:22	<TheJosh>	the devs really look up to ttdp dont they
09:24	<TheJosh>	ill see if i can make a NewGRF (probably based on the bus one)
09:24	[~]	geoffk started to make a webgui tool for grfs
09:24	<geoffk>	i got nowhere with it yet thugh im still learnign basics of how they work
09:24	<@Belugas>	[10:21][10:21] <TheJosh> the devs really look up to ttdp dont they <--- what do you mean??
09:25	<geoffk>	all the useful info is on ttdpatch
09:25	<TheJosh>	Belugas: i keep seeing references to things ttdp do thats all.
09:25	<TheJosh>	doesnt bother me, they have some excellent ideas. and OpenTTD does some really cool stuff too.
09:26	<TheJosh>	the big bonus for OpenTTD is the fact that one day it could be an independent program, but TTDP could not
09:26	<TheJosh>	meh
09:26	<hylje>	magic bridges
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09:27	<hylje>	vehicle cloning
09:27	<geoffk>	iiirc the plan is for openttd to be standalone by version 0.7
09:27	<redmonkey>	and OpenTTD is available for Unix and other operating systems
09:27	<geoffk>	possibly a coule of years off in dev yet
09:27	<geoffk>	couple*
09:29	<TheJosh>	does anyone like the idea of a 'clone quantity' patch, where you can enter the number of times to clone a train/bus/truck/tram/ship/plane?
09:30	<geoffk>	could be useful on my longer bus routes
09:30	<@Belugas>	the goal of ttdp is not to be independant. And we decided to hook ourselves on their NFO-grf specs, since it adds a lot to the game. That is why.
09:30	<TheJosh>	so if your crazy like me and want to have 500 busses service 3 stations (see how much of a trafic jam you can get) it doesnt take you 15 mins to clone em all
09:30	<TheJosh>	Belugas: makes a lot of sence
09:30	<@Belugas>	and it means reading ASM in order to understand what they do :S
09:30	<@Belugas>	yurk
09:33	<TheJosh>	is it very hard to 'clone' a .grf into a NewGRF, thus to clone the bus grf to make trams (and then just add little electrical wires coming from the top)?
09:34	<geoffk>	i cloned a ford tmodel truxk with one of the sh trains wow did it run fast on rails
09:35	[~]	Hendikins growls at a town
09:35	<Hendikins>	I've bribed and serviced my way up to excellent, and they still won't let me remove a tile of road I want gone.
09:35	<TheJosh>	you almost need to have the 'standard' tram set as a GRF not a NewGRF (until everything else is a NewGRF)
09:36	<TheJosh>	meh im off to bed
09:36	<TheJosh>	cya all round
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09:43	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	<Hendikins> I've bribed and serviced my way up to excellent, and they still won't let me remove a tile of road I want gone. <- you have to enable a patch setting, or you will never be able to remove a road that is connected on both ends
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09:46	<coronel>	Anyone getting segmentation faults in 0.5.1 in network games?
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09:51	<@peter1138>	hmm, scrolling viewport
09:51	<@peter1138>	as in, smooth scrolling
09:51	<@peter1138>	now, should that be a patch option? ;p
09:52	<elmex>	coronel: yes
09:52	<geoffk>	coronel, not me im using the linux source
09:52	<elmex>	coronel: try 0.5.2-rc1
09:52	<elmex>	geoffk: i'm also using the source of 0.5.1,and it crashed once with a segfault
09:52	<geoffk>	i always run my network games on dedicated server
09:52	<elmex>	yea
09:52	<elmex>	my dedicated 0.5.1 once crashed with segfault
09:53	<geoffk>	elmex, i was havign problems wiht it but i was having probs wtih everything on my system was something wrong with my OS install
09:53	<elmex>	oh
09:53	<elmex>	redhat?
09:53	<geoffk>	no slackware i tihnk it was all my fault though
09:53	<hylje>	redhat, whut?
09:53	<elmex>	ah, k
09:54	<elmex>	i've got the most weird segfault with redhat in my linux life
09:54	<geoffk>	basicaly i only burned the 1st disk and then pulled in the rest of the packages on the disks and did installpkg *.tgz
09:54	<geoffk>	and KDE was crashing nonstop specialy wiht games
09:54	<geoffk>	sig11 segfault
09:55	<geoffk>	whoch was on slackware 11.0, for now i've reverted to 10.2 which i had all the disks bured and done the install normaly ad now its problem solved
09:57	<geoffk>	i should of done a pxeboot/tftp install which i will try when i can be bothered im sure that will work, i dont liek burnig disks aymore produces loads of usless disks when they are outof date, i use a few distros for different things
09:58	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	use rw disks, and archive the images on a hdd
09:58	<geoffk>	my dedicatated servers run on Xen virtual machines under debian
09:59	<redmonkey>	i hope that it's still possible to use the original graphics when you put the new graphics in.. in version 0.7+
09:59	<geoffk>	its one way, but i find cdrom in general is a poor technologfy, i got about 20 borken drives no loger work and disks break too easy
09:59	<geoffk>	cd's/cdrom's have been my biggest source of problems over many years
10:07	<UndernotBuilder>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32222
10:08	<UndernotBuilder>	for me it will be a simple bugfix
10:12	<UndernotBuilder>	!current revision
10:12	<UndernotBuilder>	!revision
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10:27	<geoffk>	oo' sarco the day lenth patch man, i was messing wiht that last night til very late but im so useless and could't get it working
10:28	<geoffk>	i was reading its in the miniIN which i never used before was trying to figure it out but failed
10:30	<geoffk>	was 1st time i messed with diff and patch cmds handy stuff but i fear i was doing it all wrong somewhere
10:30	<geoffk>	would be very nice to see it make it into a full release its wha i wat badly
10:30	<geoffk>	what i want*
10:30	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	two things about patches
10:31	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	1) don't try to extract patches from the miniin, use the original (trunk) versions that are usually to find on the forums
10:31	<geoffk>	just 2 :0
10:31	<geoffk>	im not sure how that works tbh
10:32	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	2) make sure to use a current version of the patch, you might need some heavy wizardry to update them beyond key versions like the makefile rewrite and cpp port
10:32	<geoffk>	im not familiar with openttd dev and im not a good coder
10:32	<geoffk>	i noticed a lot of the lines i needed to edit weren't in my files, i tried patching 0.5.1 and messing wiht the nightly
10:33	<geoffk>	i may have to just be patient for now and wait for it to get ito a release
10:33	<geoffk>	its got me looking and learnig though which is a good thing
10:33	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	the diff file usually includes the revision number of the patch
10:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and the diff name usually hints to the branch it was based on
10:34	<geoffk>	i see i'll keep that in mind
10:34	<geoffk>	i mgiht have anther look at it later
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10:35	<Sacro>	geoffk: if you press tab when typing my nick it will autocomplete
10:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	0.5 branch and trunk have very big differences, a diff that applies to one will almost certainly not apply to the other
10:35	<Sacro>	then i get a highlight telling me someone's talking to me
10:36	<geoffk>	Sacro, ah i thought if i typed it you get same i notice i used a lowercase
10:36	<Sacro>	geoffk: you misspelt it
10:36	<UndernotBuilder>	can we rename DorpsGek to Wire so when we kick someone appears "jasperthecat1 has been kicked by Wire..." ?
10:36	<geoffk>	oops ah yeah so i did sorry
10:36	<Sacro>	call him peer :p
10:36	<geoffk>	i been reading you name as sarco for days
10:37	<geoffk>	i nede to learn o read properly
10:37	<geoffk>	and then how to type
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10:44	<redmonkey>	why doesnt chris sawyer release the grafphic and data files under the GPL? does he have a special reason?
10:45	<geoffk>	redmonkey, its probably not upto him
10:45	<TrueBrain>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=590774 <- let us know what you think!
10:45	<geoffk>	depends who the publisher was
10:45	<geoffk>	iirc he didnt make the graphics personaly
10:46	<Sacro>	10,000 aint much fun
10:46	<Sacro>	its 10480
10:46	<Sacro>	err...
10:46	<Sacro>	no thats not right
10:46	<TrueBrain>	10240
10:46	<Sacro>	TrueBrain: indeed!
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10:46	<lolman>	Was about to say
10:46	<TrueBrain>	but, for a moment assume something is going to happen
10:46	<TrueBrain>	what would you think it would be?
10:46	<TrueBrain>	please do post replies :)
10:47	<Sacro>	mmm, maybe the secret branch
10:47	<Sacro>	:O NEW MINI-IN
10:47	<lolman>	If only :o
10:47	<TrueBrain>	the winner will get a cookie from me :)
10:47	<redmonkey>	TT without the original graphics wouldn't be the same anymore. i hope it'll be always possible to use the original graphics in further OpenTTD versions
10:47	<Sacro>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=590631#590631 is crosspostedf
10:47	<redmonkey>	s/further/future
10:47	<geoffk>	redmonkey, yeah i hope they say although i fear they may evetualy become redundant if it becomes standalone
10:48	<geoffk>	stay*
10:48	<Sacro>	with this http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=590630#590630
10:48	<geoffk>	playing online anyway, because others will have to have the original graphics tpp
10:48	<geoffk>	too
10:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	<TrueBrain> the winner will get a cookie from me :) <- says the person who has full control over what will happen :p
10:51	<TrueBrain>	:) :) :) :)
10:51	<TrueBrain>	I love having power :)
10:53	<Sacro>	actually, i wouldn't be surprised if we get half a dozen commits all together
10:53	<TrueBrain>	it wouldn't really suprise me either, I dunno if all devs are collecting their commits or not
10:53	<TrueBrain>	they won't tell me :(
10:54	<TrueBrain>	( I don't think they trust me)
10:54	<Sacro>	TrueBrain: you are shifty
10:54	<TrueBrain>	shifty?
10:55	<Sacro>	untrustworthey :P
10:55	<TrueBrain>	Yeah, I know :)
10:56	<TrueBrain>	power can do strange things with people
10:56	<TrueBrain>	@deop peter1138
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10:57	<@Belugas>	yup :)
10:57	<TrueBrain>	:)
10:58	<TrueBrain>	lalalaa
10:58	<@Belugas>	pouett pouett!
10:59	<TrueBrain>	#I would dance, I would sing, to be mad, for my King
11:00	<Sacro>	what have you lot been smoking?
11:00	<TrueBrain>	my gf is away for several days now already, and I just miss her
11:00	<kaan>	salmon mostly
11:00	<TrueBrain>	what else did you expect? :)
11:00	<Sacro>	maybe bacon
11:00	<Sacro>	or cheese
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11:01	[~]	TrueBrain hugs Belugas
11:02	<TrueBrain>	you guys are boring :(
11:06	<@Belugas>	maybe because some of us a re WORKING!
11:06	<TrueBrain>	Aawwwhhh
11:06	[~]	TrueBrain hugs Belugas
11:06	[~]	Belugas gives back the hug ;)
11:07	<TrueBrain>	:) :)
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11:09	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	working? it is a holiday here...
11:09	<TrueBrain>	LEAVE! ALL LEAVE! :(
11:09	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	"Pfingstmontag"
11:09	<TrueBrain>	yup
11:10	<@Belugas>	we do not have the same holidays as you ...
11:11	<@Belugas>	i would like to be on holiday
11:11	<@Belugas>	#Let me take you far away
11:11	<@Belugas>	#You'd like
11:11	<@Belugas>	#A Holiidaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
11:11	<TrueBrain>	wow, installing WebGUI is.... complex!
11:15	<TrueBrain>	I am glad to read I am not the only one loosing it in here
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11:16	<TrueBrain>	welcome Vikthor
11:16	<Vikthor>	Hi
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11:25	<Wolf01>	hello
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11:54	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9962 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Add smooth viewport scrolling. This must be enabled with patch setting 'smooth_scroll'
11:54	<Wolf01>	good
11:54	<Wolf01>	i just red the topic about this feature
11:56	<@peter1138>	i hope i got the speed about right, heh
11:57	<@peter1138>	haha
11:57	<@peter1138>	it's very smooth with fast forward on (like many things)
11:58	<Wolf01>	now i want to try to make a new feature: random title screen position in the map every 10s
11:59	<@peter1138>	someone tried that before
11:59	<@peter1138>	luca iirc
11:59	<hylje>	smooth scroll in practice?
12:00	<@peter1138>	hmm?
12:00	<hylje>	i mean, what does it do
12:01	<@peter1138>	if you click on the location/eye button in things it takes you there 'slowly'
12:02	<Wolf01>	yeah, i like it :D
12:02	<@peter1138>	and from the viewport
12:03	<@peter1138>	also affects scrolling with keys, heh
12:03	<Wolf01>	now, can you make a smooth zoom? maybe with motionblur effect? XD
12:03	<@peter1138>	no!
12:03	<@peter1138>	hmm, cursor key scrolling is actually nice now...
12:04	<hylje>	Wolf01: pixel shaders would involve opengl rendering
12:04	<@peter1138>	ah poo, some stuff ignores the patch setting :p
12:05	<Frostregen>	yep...minimap clicking
12:05	<@peter1138>	and keyboard scrolling
12:05	<@peter1138>	fixing
12:07	<@peter1138>	fixed
12:07	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9963 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix (r9962): 'smooth_scroll' patch setting was ignored (always on) in some places.
12:10	<@peter1138>	heh, turning it off shows another 'flaw'
12:10	<@peter1138>	in that it doesn't end up in exactly the right place
12:10	<@peter1138>	(it's with 8 pixels)
12:11	<Frostregen>	yes ;)
12:12	<@peter1138>	a similar problem exists for vehicle max speeds ;(
12:12	<@peter1138>	i'm not going to cry over it, heh
12:14	<@peter1138>	hmm
12:15	<@peter1138>	another problem... le sigh :/
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12:25	<XeryusTC>	<hylje> Wolf01: pixel shaders would involve opengl rendering <- motion blur doesnt need pixel shaders
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12:32	<Wolf01>	oooooook i got it to work :D
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12:33	<XeryusTC>	Wolf01: motion blur?
12:33	<Wolf01>	no, the random position
12:33	<XeryusTC>	oh
12:34	<Wolf01>	now i only need to randomise the coords every 2 days or something like it
12:35	<hylje>	you mean we could have a scrolling title screen?
12:35	<Wolf01>	yes
12:37	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Wolf01: i strongly suggest making the interval configurable
12:38	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	intervall??
12:38	<XeryusTC>	Wolf01: can you come up with a new savegame too then?
12:38	<XeryusTC>	well, title screen
12:38	<Wolf01>	maybe
12:38	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	english spelling totally confuses me sometimes
12:38	<XeryusTC>	the current one only has some vehicles around one town
12:38	<Wolf01>	i know
12:39	<Wolf01>	now i must set the random interval in the map size
12:39	<Wolf01>	and maybe a random zoom
12:43	<hylje>	zomg does smooth scroll do on teh fly zooming too?
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12:46	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	probably not :)
12:47	<Wolf01>	is there a counter i can use to use as delay somewhere?
12:47	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	delay for what?
12:47	<XeryusTC>	current tick % some number :P
12:47	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yeah, modulo-operator :)
12:48	<Wolf01>	yeah, how is called "curren tick" in the game?
12:48	<Wolf01>	*current
12:48	<XeryusTC>	oh, that scroll is nice
12:48	<XeryusTC>	Wolf01: _current_tick?
12:48	<Wolf01>	ok
12:48	<XeryusTC>	this is quite RCT like
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12:48	<XeryusTC>	Wolf01: not sure ;)
12:49	<Wolf01>	cur_ticks
12:51	<Wolf01>	tick_counter
12:52	<Wolf01>	there are some different around the code
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12:56	<Wolf01>	ok, i got the map moving really fast and around the same 10 tiles, but is a start :D
12:58	<@peter1138>	hmm
12:58	<@peter1138>	iirc the other patch used signs to determine where to go
13:01	<XeryusTC>	peter1138! enhanced tunnels!
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13:06	<SpComb>	Mui.
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13:23	<@peter1138>	hmm
13:23	<@peter1138>	http://fuzzle.org/o/smooth2.diff
13:23	<@peter1138>	changes it a bit
13:24	<@peter1138>	important bit is viewport clamping
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13:43	<Wolf01>	http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/main_title_scroll.diff i need a little help to set the coordinates for the scroll :P
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13:43	<Wolf01>	maybe i misunderstood the function i used for the random
13:44	<Ailure>	hmm
13:45	<@peter1138>	no, you misunderstood scrollpos_x/y units
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13:49	<Wolf01>	oh, now i understand... maybe MapSizeX/Y return tiles
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13:52	<@peter1138>	you could use ScrollMainWindowToTile(tileindex)
13:55	<Wolf01>	good, thank you :)
13:56	<Wolf01>	i didn't wanted to use this function because i thought MapSize was in pixels
13:56	<@peter1138>	nope
14:01	<Wolf01>	is really good with your smooth scroll patch
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14:04	<Luukland>	Heya, All, if i get an error on the "stable" TTDopen where can i report that one?
14:05	<Luukland>	Rubidium?
14:05	<@peter1138>	first find out what 'TTDopen' is
14:05	<Luukland>	>_<
14:05	<Luukland>	openTTD of course >_<
14:05	<Luukland>	grmbl
14:06	<Luukland>	i have the error report right here
14:06	<Luukland>	could i email it?
14:06	<@peter1138>	http://bugs.openttd.org/
14:06	<@peter1138>	it's either on there already, or should be put on there
14:07	<Luukland>	Showing tasks 1 - 20 of 132 0_0
14:08	<Luukland>	so i should look through 132 "bugs" ?
14:08	<@Rubidium>	no, cause 90 of them are user made patches/feature requests
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14:09	<@Rubidium>	furthermore if you tell what the bug actually is, we might know whether it's on the list (or has been on the list)
14:09	<@Belugas>	or maybe not a bug after all...
14:10	<Luukland>	well TTD crashes :P
14:10	<@Belugas>	infinite reasons why.
14:10	<staniel>	Luukland: thats not the bug, thats the effect of a bug.
14:10	<@Belugas>	tell us exactly what happens:
14:10	<@Belugas>	version,
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14:10	<@Belugas>	grf,
14:10	<@Rubidium>	let me guess, you just deleted a bridge with a vehicle (partly) on it
14:10	<Luukland>	I have the error report right here, when i use the question mark on a tunnel of OpenTTD, OpenTTD crashes :)
14:11	<Luukland>	it is in multyplayer
14:11	<thgergo>	building a tram-rail crossing end us an unremoveble crossing, even i used magic dynamite...
14:11	<Luukland>	openTTD 0.5.1
14:11	<Luukland>	Reason: !invalid string id 0 in GetString
14:11	<Luukland>	Exception C0000005 at 0042217E
14:11	<Luukland>	(and a lot more information)
14:12	<Luukland>	if you want to look for yourselve: openTTD multyplayer, server: Micro World, use the question mark, on the long road tunnel
14:12	<Luukland>	then OpenTTd shuttes down :)
14:12	<Luukland>	(and gives a crash report)
14:12	<Luukland>	clear enough Belugas?