TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:27

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00:33	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9953 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix: Only check whether trains are multiheaded when cloning.
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02:40	<Jerub>	yow.
02:40	<Jerub>	is 80k/year good for hovercraft?
02:40	<Jerub>	:)
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02:46	<moe>	gr anyone has a ac97 soundcard/or ussing its drivers?
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02:56	<Jerub>	breakdowns make planes annoying
02:57	<Jerub>	is it a good idea to double the size of your airports by adding a second one next to the first one?
02:57	<@peter1138>	no, because you can't
02:57	<Maedhros>	moe: i do (i'm running linux though)
02:57	<@peter1138>	hmm
02:57	<@peter1138>	does sb live count as ac97? heh
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03:02	<moe>	maehdros when i install drivers on winxp (pc is scaleo 600) it crashs and reboots.i installed it in safe mode but on normal one it crashed again =/. its annoying
03:02	<moe>	i can figure out hoe i managed it hte first time
03:03	<Maedhros>	ah, i don't know anything about the drivers on windows, sorry
03:04	<moe>	well there are some forums and a lot ppls have the problem with those chip.
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03:19	<Jerub>	peter1138: damn
03:19	<Jerub>	peter1138: it'd be nice to get more terminals and runways :)
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03:48	<yeti_>	hi :)
03:48	<yeti_>	silly question of the day: where can i get a tram grf?
03:49	<TrueBrain>	www.tt-forums.net is your best guess ;)
03:49	<TrueBrain>	http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/2007/05/26/trams-in-openttd/
03:50	<Ammler>	maybe also a silly question, but is it possible to run with normal trains on the railroads?
03:50	<TrueBrain>	'normal' trains? And you mean on rail, as in: not tram?
03:53	<Ammler>	in our country, there are some countryside narrow gauge trains able to run on tram routes
03:53	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9954 /trunk/src/ai/trolly/pathfinder.cpp: -Fix [FS#811]: trolley AI crashed when trying to determine what the roadbits are.
03:53	<TrueBrain>	ah, so you want to know if trains can run on tramtracks :)
03:53	<TrueBrain>	I guess not :)
03:54	<Ammler>	but is it easy makeable or just impossible? :)
03:54	<@peter1138>	impossible
03:54	<@peter1138>	well
03:54	<@peter1138>	not impossible
03:54	<@peter1138>	but...
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03:56	<yeti_>	hmm... i have loaded a tram grf, now what do i have to activate in order to be able to build trams :) ?
04:08	<yeti_>	ah, nevermind
04:08	<yeti_>	:)
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04:17	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9955 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Make _roadveh_enter_depot_unk0 slightly less mysterious.
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04:33	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9956 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Add tram livery schemes
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05:00	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9957 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change: replace cargo tram with freight tram for consistency.
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05:08	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	<Ammler> in our country, there are some countryside narrow gauge trains able to run on tram routes <- in ottd, trams are a road type, not a rail type
05:09	<Ammler>	oh, ok, explains it
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05:11	<Ammler>	so, its also not possible to make long trams with 4 or more waggons?
05:11	<hylje>	articulated road vehicles
05:11	<hylje>	ie. trains on road
05:13	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i don't think that is implemented yet
05:13	<@peter1138>	it's being worked on
05:14	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i hope so :)
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05:35	<Zr40>	what's holding up FS#104? :)
05:35	<Zr40>	if lack of time, anything I can do? :)
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05:47	<Luukland>	Rubidium, can you help me? I have a small question ^^
05:47	<Luukland>	(so may i query you :P)
05:48	<Zr40>	can only Rubidium help you, or may I (or one of the other channel inhabitants) help you too? :)
05:48	<Luukland>	(hmmmmmm)
05:48	<Luukland>	those "inhabitants" may help also :p
05:49	<Luukland>	I have the latest nightly
05:49	<Luukland>	if i generate an artic map, on hard difficulty level, and build a road depot it disappears in a few years
05:50	<Zr40>	it just disappears, or does it get replaced by something else?
05:50	<Luukland>	it disappears
05:50	<Luukland>	nothing comes back
05:51	<Luukland>	it is irritating, especially when you have 20 different road connections
05:51	<Luukland>	because you have to build the road depot every time again
05:51	<Luukland>	that is my problem :)
05:51	<Zr40>	sounds like a bug
05:52	<Luukland>	do you have the same problem?
05:52	<Zr40>	no, haven't tried yet
05:52	<@peter1138>	any conditions?
05:52	<@peter1138>	in a town, in the middle of nowhere?
05:52	<Luukland>	in the middle of nowhere
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05:53	<Luukland>	you should try it :p
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05:54	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r9949 trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp (2007-05-26 23:18:42 UTC)
05:54	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: -Fix: (road) depots got deowned on bankrupts.
05:54	<TrueBrain>	Luukland: so it should be fixed in next nightly :)
05:55	<Luukland>	after 1,5 year, every builded depot will disappear
05:55	<Zr40>	I didn't read anything about bankrupts
05:55	<Luukland>	no, just start a game
05:55	<Luukland>	build depot
05:55	<TrueBrain>	hard level, many AIs :p
05:55	<Luukland>	wait 1,5 year
05:55	<Luukland>	and it is gone
05:55	<@peter1138>	ah, i guess that's why i wouldn't notice it
05:55	<@peter1138>	i don't play with AIs
05:56	<Luukland>	well i did (for the change)
05:56	<@peter1138>	so anyway, it's fixed.
05:56	<Zr40>	Luukland: check if the same thing happens without AIs :)
05:57	<Luukland>	without AI's nothing happens :P
05:57	<TrueBrain>	Luukland: we kindly ask you to try it again with the upcoming nightly (in 7 hours that is)
05:57	<TrueBrain>	if the problem still happens, come back and tell us :)
05:58	<Luukland>	sorry i am wrong
05:58	<Luukland>	even without AI's the problem still occures
05:59	<Frostregen>	uhm, what is ROADTYPE_HWAY ? :)
05:59	<Luukland>	TrueBrain, well can't I get it right now, so i can test it right now? That is maybe better?
05:59	<TrueBrain>	Luukland: only if you compile the latest HEAD yourself
06:00	<Luukland>	i can compile :)
06:00	<TrueBrain>	so get SVN and compile :)
06:00	<Luukland>	is the trunk already updated?
06:00	<Zr40>	trunk is where stuff happens :)
06:00	<Luukland>	ah :p
06:01	<TrueBrain>	if it aint in trunk, it aint real
06:01	<Zr40>	the nightlies are compiled from the then-current trunk
06:01	<Luukland>	hmmm, ok :)
06:02	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: could you make FS#104 real? :D
06:02	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: too bad for you, I can't
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06:03	<Luukland>	whahahaha XD
06:03	<@peter1138>	it's a big ugly patch :o
06:03	<TrueBrain>	code-wise it is pretty okay
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06:03	<Luukland>	compiling.....
06:04	<TrueBrain>	shit, sssttt, he is here now
06:04	<Luukland>	0_o
06:04	<TrueBrain>	hi dihedral :)
06:04	<Luukland>	and TrueBrain current version is: r9957?
06:05	<Zr40>	Luukland: yes
06:05	<Luukland>	-- compile failed --
06:05	<Luukland>	Grrrmmmbbl
06:06	<Luukland>	i really need linux for that :P, buildOTTD &^%%^$*)
06:06	<Luukland>	:P
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06:10	<Luukland>	Zr40 i can't get it compiled
06:10	<Luukland>	:S
06:10	<Zr40>	Luukland: I can't help you if I don't know what goes wrong :)
06:11	<Luukland>	well do you use the program buildOTTD youselve?
06:11	<Luukland>	*yourselve?
06:11	<Zr40>	I don't even know what buildOTTD is :)
06:11	<Zr40>	but then I don't use Windows anymore
06:12	<Luukland>	ah, just a program that can compile the source for Windows :p
06:12	<Luukland>	it gives an error :P
06:12	<Zr40>	but which one? ;)
06:12	<Luukland>	with no error report or anything
06:12	<Luukland>	compile failed
06:12	<Luukland>	:P
06:15	<Luukland>	TrueBrain do you have any suggestions?
06:15	<TrueBrain>	NOPE
06:15	<TrueBrain>	HMM
06:15	<TrueBrain>	CAPSLOCK
06:15	<TrueBrain>	COOL!!!
06:16	<Luukland>	>_<
06:16	<TrueBrain>	ask kaan
06:16	<Luukland>	:P
06:16	<Luukland>	where can i find him?
06:16	<TrueBrain>	he drops by here from time to time
06:16	<Luukland>	-_-
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06:17	<Luukland>	let's see, if my bouncer can add this IRCserver
06:18	<TrueBrain>	http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/art2.png
06:18	<TrueBrain>	my attempt to make OpenTTD more art-alike continues
06:19	<valhallasw>	TrueBrain: creative
06:19	<Luukland>	:S
06:19	<Luukland>	yes very creative
06:19	<TrueBrain>	wouldn't you guys play with this patch?
06:19	<Luukland>	how old are you anyway :P
06:19	<TrueBrain>	I just finished kindergarten
06:19	<Luukland>	ah :p
06:19	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: that looks like openttd in the old days
06:19	<Luukland>	Whahahahah :p
06:19	<Zr40>	holding tab or something would enable SDL debug stuff
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06:22	<Luukland>	gelukkig zijn hier heel veel Nederlanders :) toch?
06:22	<TrueBrain>	what kind of crappy language is that?!
06:22	<Zr40>	there appear to be quite a few, but this is an English channel :)
06:22	<TrueBrain>	I hate German people
06:23	<TrueBrain>	(hahahaha :))
06:23	<Luukland>	Whahahah XD
06:23	<Luukland>	Zr40 it is not in the topic
06:23	<Zr40>	Luukland: the topic is English
06:23	<TrueBrain>	Luukland: but you will feel soon enough that it really is :)
06:23	<Luukland>	but i will talk English for you :P
06:23	<Maedhros>	Zr40: compile in debug mode, and press caps-lock. it's still there ;)
06:23	<Zr40>	Maedhros: I disabled my caps-lock key. :)
06:24	<Luukland>	>_<
06:24	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: what? You pulled it out?
06:24	<Luukland>	:P he broke it
06:24	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: no, I disabled it in System Preferences
06:24	<TrueBrain>	It has to be a dutch person to do that
06:24	<Luukland>	grrrr!! I will slap :p
06:24	<TrueBrain>	rowr
06:24	<TrueBrain>	maak me gek
06:24	<Zr40>	Maedhros: it seems OpenTTD on Mac OS X doesn't use SDL.
06:25	<TrueBrain>	it doesn't, by default
06:28	<TrueBrain>	http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/art3.png
06:28	<TrueBrain>	it is getting better :)
06:29	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: what are you trying? :)
06:29	<TrueBrain>	I am rewriting the blitter code, but it gives some cool side-effects :)
06:29	<Zr40>	looks like a nice network overview
06:29	<TrueBrain>	this is already in trunk, the zoom-out level
06:29	<TrueBrain>	just I replaced all sprites with the top left pixel
06:30	<TrueBrain>	or rather: the counter :p
06:30	<TrueBrain>	haha
06:30	<Luukland>	compile succeeded :)
06:30	<Luukland>	yeey :P
06:30	<TrueBrain>	concratz
06:30	<Zr40>	hmm. this is odd :)
06:30	<Luukland>	lets test it :)
06:31	<Zr40>	when I scroll using the right mouse button, I notice stutter
06:31	<Zr40>	but when I hold tab (fast forward), scrolling goes fluidly
06:31	<TrueBrain>	in max zoom-out or something? :)
06:31	<Zr40>	no, normal zoom
06:31	<TrueBrain>	that is weird
06:31	<Zr40>	smoothly, rather :)
06:33	<Luukland>	Depot problem solved :)
06:33	<Luukland>	great work
06:33	<Zr40>	it is on a 2048x2048, though
06:34	<Zr40>	great :)
06:34	<TrueBrain>	k, tnx Luukland, nice to know :)
06:34	<Luukland>	well, i am just testing anyway
06:34	<TrueBrain>	we need testers... LOTS OF THEM!
06:34	<Luukland>	but what was the reason that you guys stopped making: MiniIN?
06:34	<TrueBrain>	we never made it
06:35	<Luukland>	owww
06:35	<TrueBrain>	but it became a very hard job to keep it up to date with the trunk
06:35	<Luukland>	ah :p
06:35	<TrueBrain>	and as the maintainer didn't had the time for doing that anymore
06:35	<Luukland>	i preferred it above thge nightly
06:35	<TrueBrain>	I personally don't, as the code can be rather unstable...
06:36	<Luukland>	well, as you can see, Nightly can also have bugs :p
06:36	<TrueBrain>	for that it is a nightly :)
06:36	<@Rubidium>	Luukland: the MiniIN has/had a lot of desync issues that nobody cared to fix
06:36	<TrueBrain>	but at least in nightly people know and care to fix things :)
06:36	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: aren't you the developer of the then-new road AI?
06:36	<@Rubidium>	and it has lots of other bugs that nobody cared to fix
06:37	<Luukland>	ok Rubidium dat is duidelijk
06:37	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: one of the developers of NoAI, yes
06:37	<Zr40>	ah, the game answered my question
06:37	<@Rubidium>	hmm, why do people assume someone is Dutch by their hostname?
06:37	<Luukland>	:P
06:37	<Zr40>	I noticed the AI only creates two bus stations
06:37	<TrueBrain>	Luukland: but the MiniIN does have many nice features
06:37	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: for that I use a bouncer :)
06:37	<Luukland>	ah :p
06:37	<Zr40>	but while I was typing, two new ones were built :)
06:37	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: oh, you mean NewAI?
06:37	<TrueBrain>	trolly AI
06:38	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: the one you activate at the patches window
06:38	<TrueBrain>	it is so lovely :) A nice proof of concept...
06:38	<TrueBrain>	but yes, I wrote thatone
06:38	<TrueBrain>	long long long ago
06:38	<Luukland>	and do we get a special nightly at the r10.000 ??
06:38	<TrueBrain>	nah
06:38	<TrueBrain>	reminds me I should add the commit-blocker at 10000
06:38	<TrueBrain>	of course I want to have it :p
06:38	<Luukland>	:P
06:38	<TrueBrain>	maybe I should order some firework too
06:38	<@Rubidium>	ofcourse we make 10000 uncompilable ;)
06:38	<Luukland>	well it is kind of... special
06:38	<Luukland>	:P
06:38	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: I did notice a nice feature :)
06:39	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: now that is a nice idea :)
06:39	<@Rubidium>	Luukland: no it isn't
06:39	<Luukland>	well, for me it is :p
06:39	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: it built 13 buses for one route :)
06:39	<TrueBrain>	I personally find 9999 and 10240 more special :)
06:39	<@DorpsGek>	Rubidium: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC)
06:39	<@DorpsGek>	Rubidium: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN
06:39	<@Rubidium>	see, we already passed 10000 revisions
06:39	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: 9999? 10240? 16384!
06:39	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: it does a simple calculation: route length / speed = amount of vehicles
06:40	<TrueBrain>	@calc 9957 + 975
06:40	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: 10932
06:40	<TrueBrain>	almost at 11000! :p
06:40	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: we should switch to git, then nobody cares about it at all :)
06:40	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: git? darcs!
06:40	<Luukland>	whahaha :P
06:41	<@Rubidium>	TrueBrain: maybe we'll get a party when we get "r"0123456789abcdef0123456789abcdef in git :)
06:41	<TrueBrain>	hahahaa :)
06:41	<TrueBrain>	but nobody ever knows when that happens :)
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06:41	<Zr40>	Rubidium: you can rather party when you get collisions
06:42	<Zr40>	those are much more likely than hitting a specific commit
06:42	<@Rubidium>	no, then we flame Mr. Torvalds :)
06:42	<TrueBrain>	I always wanted to write a flame email to him :)
06:42	<Luukland>	euuhh, /me discovered a new issue: I have right now -22.000 dollar. I had 3 year ago -15.000 dollar. If i am correct, then i should have gone bankrupt in the mean time
06:43	<TrueBrain>	not if you hit positive anywhere in between
06:43	<Luukland>	i did not have any income in the year between
06:43	<TrueBrain>	ah :)
06:43	<@Rubidium>	isn't it that the player in SP can never bankrupt?
06:43	<TrueBrain>	possible, ye
06:43	<TrueBrain>	s
06:43	<Luukland>	pfff :P
06:44	<@peter1138>	why not?
06:45	<@peter1138>	it should be 'game over man!'
06:45	<TrueBrain>	dude, you are out of money
06:45	<TrueBrain>	now aint that the sadest?
06:45	<Luukland>	:P
06:45	<TrueBrain>	so get out of here and start over
06:45	<TrueBrain>	"Now the question is: CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN?"
06:46	<@Rubidium>	no, "hedge fund Sawyer Inc. has taken over your company and thrown you out" ;)
06:46	<Luukland>	and, can you guys make it possible to build more stations a town?? I really hate there is a limit, especially if you have 3/4 towns a map, it can be quite irritating :)
06:46	<TrueBrain>	which limit?
06:47	<TrueBrain>	you do need to rename the stations at a given moment
06:47	<TrueBrain>	but that is because you run out of auto-generated names
06:47	<Luukland>	hmm let's test
06:47	<Zr40>	only airports are limited
06:48	<Luukland>	you guys are correct
06:48	<Luukland>	but if you play with AI's then you can not change the station names of there stations
06:49	<Luukland>	so if they already have build everything around the city, then you cannot do anything about it :(
06:49	<TrueBrain>	true; I once made a small patch that started to add #2 behind names, but it looked rather ugly :)
06:50	<Luukland>	and the 2 airpots a town is also very irritating :P, (i have a lot of irritating stuff), can someone insert a patch s you can change that?
06:51	<Luukland>	that is maybe a better idea
06:51	<TrueBrain>	isn't there a patch setting to control that?
06:52	<Luukland>	there is a patch for aircraft speed, but i do not remeber any patch for airports/town
06:52	<TrueBrain>	for sure there is a patch on tt-forums for it, but I thought it was included in trunk...
06:52	<TrueBrain>	but I am known to be wrong :)
06:52	<Luukland>	Whahahah :P
06:56	<Luukland>	well i can't find it TrueBrain
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07:14	<TrueBrain>	too bad :p
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07:15	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	there are way too many dutch people in this channel :p
07:16	<TrueBrain>	shall we ban them all?
07:17	<Luukland>	in that case, i will activate my proxy and come back ^^
07:17	<TrueBrain>	does that make you less of a dutch people?
07:17	<TrueBrain>	person
07:17	<Luukland>	hmmm, yes
07:17	<Luukland>	i huess so
07:18	<TrueBrain>	so you want to tell me I am not a Dutchman? :p
07:18	<@peter1138>	you're not
07:18	<@peter1138>	you're a Madman
07:19	<TrueBrain>	good point
07:20	<Luukland>	whahahaa :P
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07:24	<skidd13>	Tram tracks don't have their own cursor. Is there a need for it?
07:24	<Luukland>	11 million Dutch people use the internet frequently 11m of the 16 = 70% 0_o
07:25	<Luukland>	70% of the dutch people are at least 1 time a week online 0_o
07:26	<Luukland>	I guess that is the reason why there are so many dutch people online ;)
07:26	<Zr40>	there are a lot more people living in the USA
07:26	<Zr40>	even if only 1% of them uses the internet frequently, that's still more than 11 million
07:27	<TrueBrain>	talking about a clear case of fucking up statistics :)
07:27	<Luukland>	:P
07:27	<Zr40>	also, keep timezones in mind
07:27	<Zr40>	the USA is probably asleep :)
07:27	<Luukland>	hmmmm
07:27	<Luukland>	-8 hours
07:28	<TrueBrain>	I once read that if you drive a yellow car, you have less chance on an accident. Then I read the statistics with it: they didn't compared the amount of sold yellow cars with the amount of crashed, no, the amount of yellow cars that had an accident... of course this is faulty, as there are far less yellow cars.....
07:28	<Luukland>	:S
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07:28	<Luukland>	Purno is also dutch :P
07:28	<TrueBrain>	and of course that is the moment Purno jons...
07:28	<TrueBrain>	joins
07:28	[~]	TrueBrain sets mode +b @.nl
07:28	<@Rubidium>	skidd13: the normal tram tracks have their own cursor (at least in my build)
07:29	<Purno>	:o
07:29	<Luukland>	see Purno
07:29	<Luukland>	we have to start an own channel
07:29	<Purno>	I have an own channel
07:29	<Luukland>	for dutch TTD persons :p
07:29	<TrueBrain>	I owe this channel! :)
07:29	<Purno>	well, the dutch trainset got an own channel
07:29	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: own :)
07:29	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: it wasn't a typo :p
07:30	<Luukland>	We dutch People could rule the world!!
07:30	<skidd13>	My fault. I used the "tramtsgw.grf" and then there was only the street icon. =)
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07:31	<Luukland>	Once in America the people of the colony's voted for the official language of America. It became English, and not Dutch (only 1 vote was the difference)
07:31	<Luukland>	-_-
07:31	<Zr40>	somehow I doubt that's true
07:31	<TrueBrain>	there were 3 people
07:32	<TrueBrain>	I hate connection resets...
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07:32	[~]	TrueBrain slaps his ISP or OpenTTD's ISP
07:32	<Luukland>	Zr40 that is what my English Teacher says :)
07:32	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: peer acting up again?
07:32	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: your ISP being?
07:32	<TrueBrain>	Surfnet!
07:32	<Zr40>	that explains it
07:32	<TrueBrain>	not really
07:33	<Zr40>	just kidding :)
07:33	<coronel>	Where did the "pause on no clients"-patch go, anyone?
07:33	<@peter1138>	"an own" :/
07:34	<@peter1138>	coronel: obsolete
07:34	<coronel>	peter1138: What's the alternative?
07:34	<@peter1138>	min_players
07:34	<+glx>	in cfg
07:34	<coronel>	Oh!
07:35	<coronel>	Groovy! Thank you.
07:38	<elmex>	is there a way to limit the size of the rectangle that can be leveled at once in a multiplayer game?
07:38	<elmex>	it would certainly help to prevent jerks from leveling land to sealevel
07:39	<Luukland>	well lighthouses :p
07:39	<Luukland>	but further there are no ways, everyone can terraform hills and mountains
07:40	<elmex>	i've had it with one who already had like 160million, he broke a rule of my server and i told him multiple times. he got annoyed and trashed lots of the langscape before leaving. i feel dumb not kicking him on the first violation
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07:40	<elmex>	Luukland: yea, but i would love to limit the amount that can be done at once or within a certain time
07:40	<Luukland>	:P
07:40	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	<Luukland> Once in America the people of the colony's voted for the official language of America. It became English, and not Dutch (only 1 vote was the difference) <- actually, they say that about german (= Deutsch, maybe that's cause of some confusion, there is also a language called "Pennsylvanian Dutch", which is actually a german dialect, not a dutch dialect)...
07:40	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	also, this supposed "vote" has been revealed as a misunderstanding of historic documents, it is more likely that there was a vote about if some governmental publications should _also_ be translated into german
07:41	<Luukland>	Germany :S
07:41	<Luukland>	pfff
07:41	<ThePizzaKing>	pfft, English isn't the official language of America
07:41	<Luukland>	-_-
07:41	<@Rubidium>	it's Spanish :)
07:41	<Zr40>	Eddi\|zuHause2: perhaps 'dutch' in that context originated from 'deutsch', german for german :)
07:41	<Luukland>	Who were the owners of NEW YORK?
07:41	<ThePizzaKing>	English people wouldn't go on missing 'u's like that
07:42	<Luukland>	Who build the place: New York?
07:42	<TrueBrain>	the turtles?
07:42	<Luukland>	Who sold it for 1 guilder?
07:42	<Luukland>	The dutch :_)
07:42	<Luukland>	once, we had New York :P
07:42	<Luukland>	called: "New Amsterdam"
07:43	<@Rubidium>	exactly, so you didn't have NY
07:43	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	at one point, the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania had over 50% inhabitants of german origin
07:43	[~]	Tobin waves
07:43	<Zr40>	Luukland: according to wikipedia, you're wrong
07:43	<Tobin>	Did I miss anything in the months I've been away?
07:43	<Zr40>	the Duke of York took New Amsterdam by force and renamed it to New York
07:43	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: lol! Good argument: wikipedia ;)
07:43	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it's on the internet, it must be right!!
07:43	<TrueBrain>	if NY would still be called NA, would that sell drugs too?
07:44	<TrueBrain>	that = they
07:44	<Luukland>	:P
07:44	<Luukland>	maybe
07:44	<@Rubidium>	only in American sized portions
07:44	<Luukland>	Zr40 i am not wrong
07:44	<TrueBrain>	I am starting to dislike blitters...
07:44	<Zr40>	Eddi\|zuHause2: that's exactly why I mentioned Wikipedia in the first place
07:44	<Luukland>	Wikipedia = not an officiel source
07:45	<Luukland>	everyone can change it
07:45	<Zr40>	Luukland: what's your official source, then?
07:45	<Luukland>	hmm one moment
07:45	<+glx>	uncy :)
07:45	<TrueBrain>	his teacher!!!!!
07:45	<Luukland>	i had it right here :p
07:45	<TrueBrain>	and of course his teacher can't be wrong :)
07:45	<@Rubidium>	lets go on war with the English ;) (like we did last time)
07:46	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: on your earlier point: just because something is editable doesn't mean it's incorrect by definition
07:46	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: I never said anything remotely like it :)
07:46	<TrueBrain>	I just liked your argumentation: according to wikipedia
07:46	<TrueBrain>	like it was some authority on this :)
07:46	<Zr40>	just wanted to point out I'm not pretending to be authoritative or using such source :)
07:47	<Luukland>	:P
07:48	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Rubidium: last time == 1066?
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07:49	<@Rubidium>	Eddi\|zuHause2: NL with the island of Scilly
07:50	<@Rubidium>	*Isles
07:50	<Luukland>	Zr40: I can't find my source, so i guess you are right
07:50	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Rubidium: that does not ring any bells...
07:50	<Zr40>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Hundred_and_Thirty_Five_Years%27_War
07:50	<Zr40>	that one?
07:51	<@Rubidium>	Zr40: yes, that one ;)
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07:53	<Zr40>	the 38-minute war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War
07:53	<@Rubidium>	I still prefer those 335 years of war ;)
07:54	<Zr40>	depends on your point of view :)
07:54	<Zr40>	the 38-minute war did have casualties
07:54	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	hm... we germans only made it to a 30 years war...
07:54	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	which was fought mainly against ourselves :p
07:54	<Zr40>	but during the 335 year one not even a single shot was fired :)
07:54	<Luukland>	:S
07:54	<Luukland>	wtf
07:54	<Luukland>	and they call that war?
07:54	<TrueBrain>	hmm, this is #openttd, not?
07:55	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: correct
07:55	<TrueBrain>	ah, pfew :)
07:55	<@Rubidium>	TrueBrain: yes, but you really should've known about that war :)
07:55	<TrueBrain>	I was starting to worry :)
07:55	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: while we're at it, could you remove that +b please? :)
07:55	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: I stopped reading 10 minutes ago
07:55	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: why?
07:55	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: else I can't return :)
07:55	<TrueBrain>	so?
07:55	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Luukland: yes, and it caused the death of like 2/3 of the german population
07:55	<TrueBrain>	@kick Zr40
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07:55	<@Rubidium>	TrueBrain: because it's both the longest war and the war with the least casualties
07:56	<Luukland>	hmmm...
07:56	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: err.? I haven't seen it get removed
07:56	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: why are you talking to me? I said I stopped reading, I never said I didn't know about any ware
07:56	<Luukland>	why don't you guys make a: OTTDW
07:56	[~]	TrueBrain laughs hard in Zr40 his face
07:56	<Luukland>	Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe War :P
07:56	<@Rubidium>	Luukland: that's called Brianetta's Deathmatch
07:57	<Luukland>	yes? It excists?
07:57	<Luukland>	:P
07:57	<Luukland>	(starts up google)
07:57	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i can't believe there are people who actually fall for such a +b :p
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07:57	<Zr40>	ah, I see
07:57	<Zr40>	it's an invalid one
07:59	<TrueBrain>	Eddi\|zuHause2: people never stop amazing me...
07:59	<Zr40>	I didn't see.
07:59	<Zr40>	it's just a sneaky /me :)
07:59	<Luukland>	Rubidium: I mean a totally different game, just a game with uses the same maps, different industries, and some war vehicles ^^
08:00	<Luukland>	(sounds fun anyway)
08:00	<Luukland>	and on that serious bombshell, Luukland will leave the show
08:00	<Luukland>	ciau everyone !! :)
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08:00	<TrueBrain>	bye
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08:28	<kaan>	hey all
08:28	<TrueBrain>	hi kaan
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08:34	<kaan>	TrueBrain: I was thinking that when you get aorund to make that webpage with the brachs info then maybe it should contain tags too :)
08:35	<TrueBrain>	ah, let me create that for you
08:35	<kaan>	great :)
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08:36	<RamboRonny>	whats the best game of all time?
08:36	<kaan>	tetris
08:36	<TrueBrain>	http://www.openttd.org/nightly/.branches
08:36	<TrueBrain>	kaan: that is what you want?
08:36	<RamboRonny>	I'd say starcraft, or ttd :)
08:37	<kaan>	hmm, id rather have the complete path from root
08:37	<TrueBrain>	http://www.openttd.org/nightly/.tags
08:37	<kaan>	and it needs trunk as well :)
08:37	<TrueBrain>	k
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08:39	<kaan>	actually the complete path including svn:// would be the best
08:39	<@Rubidium>	doesn't svn ls svn://svn.openttd.org/branches work?
08:40	<kaan>	maybe, but this way you guys get to control what branches are available for bottd
08:41	<TrueBrain>	http://www.openttd.org/nightly/.tags
08:41	<TrueBrain>	http://www.openttd.org/nightly/.branches
08:41	<TrueBrain>	should work
08:41	<kaan>	brilliant :)
08:41	<kaan>	thanks TrueBrain :D
08:41	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: besides, it is kind of slow, and kind of SVNServe intense :)
08:42	<TrueBrain>	there, some minor updates :)
08:43	<kaan>	nice, trunk belongs on top of the list :)
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08:43	<TrueBrain>	list is updated every night
08:43	<kaan>	im guessing around 20:00 CET ;)
08:43	<TrueBrain>	no
08:43	<TrueBrain>	somewhere much later
08:44	<TrueBrain>	as it doesn't really matter :)
08:44	<kaan>	oki, its much more often than needed anyway ;)
08:45	<kaan>	ill get to work on my end now :P
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09:14	<kaan>	hi :)
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10:26	<Wolf01>	oh, another italian
10:28	<paolo>	Hi, talking about me?
10:28	<Wolf01>	seem so
10:30	<paolo>	@Wolf01: are you italian,too?
10:30	<Wolf01>	yes
10:30	<Sacro\|Laptop>	indeed... and he's stupid :p
10:30	<Wolf01>	thank you for remember this, Sacro :)
10:30	<paolo>	:)
10:31	<Sacro\|Laptop>	Wolf01: thank you for having it as your signature :p
10:33	<Wolf01>	it doesn't seem to be there, and for a long time
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10:51	<kaan>	done :)
10:51	<kaan>	blathijs: im the author of the program BuildOTTD
10:52	<blathijs>	Ah, I think I read about that :-)
10:52	<blathijs>	Useful thing
10:52	<kaan>	more info here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31823
10:52	<kaan>	ah ok :)
10:52	<kaan>	im glad you like it :)
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11:01	<Ammler>	kaan, is it hard to make it .net-independent?
11:02	<@peter1138>	depends if you consider "rewrite from scratch ditching most of it" hard...
11:02	<Ammler>	:), ok
11:03	<Ammler>