TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:26

---	Log	opened Sat May 26 00:00:11 2007
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02:48	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9928 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix (r9805): Default display options were not set correctly.
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02:59	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9929 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#803]: fix several drawing issues.
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03:16	<Wolf01>	hello
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03:27	<Wolf01>	i'm sorry if i ask too much about the cfg, but i can't find enough usefull the wiki: what is the difference between restart_game_date and restart_game_year?
03:27	<@peter1138>	restart_game_date doesn't exist
03:28	<Wolf01>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Restart_game_date <-
03:28	<@Rubidium>	IIRC nothing, only the fact that restart_game_date exists before like r6000 and restart_game_year after r6000
03:28	<@peter1138>	ah, it was renamed
03:28	<Wolf01>	ok, so it is obsolete
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03:48	<Wolf01>	are trams compatible now?
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03:59	<skidd13>	Rubidium: I reworked the iconset #I -> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31074&start=35
04:00	<@peter1138>	again?
04:00	<@peter1138>	what do they represent
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04:01	<@peter1138>	?
04:02	<skidd13>	The same, but I hope that Rubidium accepts them better.
04:02	<@peter1138>	same?
04:02	<skidd13>	goto, delete, skip
04:03	<skidd13>	peter1138: Aren't they clear enougth?
04:03	<@peter1138>	well, no, not really
04:03	<@peter1138>	personally i prefer the text buttons
04:04	<skidd13>	IMO the GUI with the text buttons looks a bit messy. ;)
04:11	[~]	Rubidium prefers messy over unclear
04:12	<skidd13>	:(
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04:14	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9930 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix (r9838): obiwan could cause vehicles to way a long time (2.5 years) at stations.
04:17	<@peter1138>	:D
04:17	<@peter1138>	that obiwan bloke gets blamed a lot...
04:19	<Ammler>	is it possible to habe something like tiptext (text where appear, when you are over the button)?
04:19	<Ammler>	lol, have
04:19	<hylje>	right-click
04:21	<Ammler>	omg, thats available, since when?
04:21	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	since TT original :p
04:22	<Ammler>	aha, nice to know
04:22	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	actually, i believe it was in the demo, too :)
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04:47	<@peter1138>	hmm, is the ringhoffer pha supposed to go only 15mph? :/
04:48	<Vikthor>	I think so
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04:50	<@peter1138>	hmm, the sounds are screwy too
04:50	<@peter1138>	unless it's supposed to sound like that, heh
04:52	<Vikthor>	The sounds are not finished, well whole sets is not finished
04:54	<@peter1138>	well
04:54	<@peter1138>	ok then :)
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04:57	<Vikthor>	The good news is, that ufoun, coder of the set has just one exam left and then whole holidays to work on it :)
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05:10	<kaan>	goodmorning
05:12	<@peter1138>	cool
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05:22	<maddy>	hiho
05:22	<maddy>	Brianetta, what happend to the standardgameserver?
05:26	<Brianetta>	maddy: Server was physically relocated
05:27	<maddy>	ahh
05:27	<maddy>	when can we expect to play again?
05:27	<TrueBrain>	did it enjoy the relocation?
05:32	<Brianetta>	maddy: When I can be arsed to set it up
05:33	<maddy>	i see, can you reset celestars server?
05:33	<Brianetta>	Isn't Celestar about?
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05:40	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9931 /trunk/src/ (elrail.cpp road_cmd.cpp tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp): -Fix: some glitches with catenary and bridges.
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06:01	<kaan>	I pay too much tax
06:01	<kaan>	so they decided that i should have some of it back :D
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06:03	<Thomas[NL]>	same here :)
06:04	<Hendikins>	mmm, apparently I'm a bad person for using exclusive rights to protect my income stream in a town I entered first :P
06:05	<Hendikins>	So I didn't appreciate my revenue being pilfered on a "long as possible to maximise income" air service.
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06:49	<Wolf01>	mmh i think the terrain generator places too many transmitters on the hills
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06:53	<mikegrb>	they should be in the ocean instead?
06:53	[~]	mikegrb runs
06:53	<Wolf01>	no, they should not be 20 in a 10x10 squares
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07:02	<Desolator>	I barely get transmitters :S
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07:05	<TrueBrain>	there is an ifcase: if (username == "Wolf01") PlantEvenMoreTransmitters();
07:05	<TrueBrain>	but don't tell him :)
07:08	<@peter1138>	transmitters are planted, eh?
07:08	<Noldo>	sure
07:08	<valhalla1w>	maybe a console command should be added
07:08	<valhalla1w>	placetransmitters;
07:20	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9932 /trunk/src/ (signs.cpp station.cpp): -Fix: can't assume a zoom-level with MarkAllViewportsDirty, causing segfaults when trying to load savegames in dedicated server via -g (reported by peter1138)
07:22	<Thomas[NL]>	hmm if you build a lorry bay you get the bus stop dialog
07:23	<Thomas[NL]>	also catchment-area etc
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07:25	<@peter1138>	eh?
07:29	<Thomas[NL]>	peter1138, http://www.xs4all.nl/~burgtvaj/ see those 2 screenshots
07:32	<hylje>	in before a screenshot of perpertual transmitter
07:34	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9933 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Fix (9925): unified a little too much.
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08:01	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9934 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r9923): towns could remove 'half' tram tracks.
08:01	<hylje>	trams \o
08:02	<Hendikins>	Actually, I agree. Trams?
08:03	<Wolf01>	yeah, i tried them this morning
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08:05	<@Rubidium>	it really takes time before people notice new features...
08:05	<hylje>	well unless its a highly anticipated feature, people notice them when they become playable
08:06	<Hendikins>	Can I get a two second summary on the feature? (Usage, etc)
08:07	<hylje>	trains on roads
08:07	<Sionide>	"you can build trams"
08:07	<Hendikins>	hylje: So I can build railways on roads, and use standard railway rollingstock on them?
08:08	<Wolf01>	get a tram set grf then like rail tool you can switch to tram tracks with the road tool
08:08	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r9923 /trunk (18 files in 5 dirs) (2007-05-25 22:07:40 UTC)
08:08	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: -Add: support for Action 0 Road vehicles, property 1C, bit 0.
08:08	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: I also think it is very weird it took that long :p
08:08	<hylje>	link us with a tram grf
08:08	<Wolf01>	grfcrawler
08:08	<@Rubidium>	grfcrawler.tt-forums.net
08:08	<Sionide>	hmm
08:10	<Hendikins>	So the back end is built in, but we have no grfs built in?
08:10	<Wolf01>	we have tracks, but no trams
08:11	<@Rubidium>	Hendikins: newhouses didn't come with new houses either, nor did newstations come with new stations
08:14	<@Rubidium>	TrueBrain: yes, it's very strange people didn't notice it sooner ;)
08:15	<TrueBrain>	people are so not intersted in those things :(
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08:16	<Wolf01>	i wonder if one day will be possible to have chains of tram carriages like trains
08:16	<hylje>	that's silly
08:16	<Wolf01>	i tried the serbian tram set and i like it, but not the blue big tram, wich is way to long when turning
08:16	<Vikthor>	I already noticed around 1:30 AM, an so did probably everybody, who was paying attention to his channel at that time
08:17	<@Rubidium>	when somebody implements articulated road vehicles
08:18	<hylje>	bi-articulated road vehicles!
08:18	<hylje>	would we need roadstop lengths too? ;p
08:19	<Sionide>	do the tram grfs have "ding ding" sounds in 'em?
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08:20	<Wolf01>	just one question, if 2 players want to build a tram network in the same city, how tracks are handled? i mean, can the trams use both players tracks?
08:20	<+glx>	that's something to try :)
08:22	<Wolf01>	uhm, doesn't seem i can play with trams in multiplayer
08:22	<Sionide>	should they be allowed to or not?
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08:23	<Sionide>	how's the subsiduries patch coming along?
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08:24	<+glx>	ok they can drive on others tracks, but they are easily blocked by others' depots
08:26	<Wolf01>	i found a little "bug" in title screen, paper trucks can't drive through the bridge, they exit the tunnel and turn around
08:27	<TrueBrain>	paper trucks? :p
08:28	<Wolf01>	those little road vechicles with 2 rolls of paper
08:29	<Wolf01>	they are in the top left corner
08:30	<Wolf01>	"are"... they sometimes come out there
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08:34	<TrueBrain>	@kick Zr40
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08:34	<TrueBrain>	I hate it when people poke me for now reason at all
08:35	<Zr40>	I don't randomly poke people
08:35	[~]	Wolf01 poke TrueBrain "not" not "now"
08:35	<Zr40>	"no", you mean :)
08:35	<Zr40>	anyway... 104? :)
08:35	<TrueBrain>	if you correct someone Wolf01, do it correctly or not at all :)
08:36	<Wolf01>	i'm not english, i can mistake, you not ;)
08:36	<TrueBrain>	why poke me for it
08:36	<TrueBrain>	i = I
08:36	<TrueBrain>	i can mistake = I can make mistakes
08:36	<TrueBrain>	that said, I am not English too, so your argument fails
08:36	<kaan>	eigther, not too :P
08:37	<TrueBrain>	eigther? :p
08:37	<TrueBrain>	kaan: but I am glad someone noticed it :) (most Dutch people fail totally to see it is wrong)
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08:38	<kaan>	thats what you get for mixing danish with german, english and french ;)
08:38	<Zr40>	what about incorrect apostrophe's? (typo intended)
08:38	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: yeah
08:39	<Wolf01>	anyway, why i can't use trams in multiplayer?
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08:44	<@Rubidium>	because the server doesn't have the required GRFs
08:45	<Hendikins>	Wolf01: If you're on a box that can compile, I've got a server up that can do trams on r9934
08:46	<Hendikins>	Wolf01: Grab the trams from http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=19850 and jump on to autofox.ath.cx
08:46	<Wolf01>	uhm, i started the server with the same cfg as the single player game
08:47	<Wolf01>	i already have it, i can play on single player mode
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08:52	[~]	Hendikins can play trams on multi
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08:56	<Wolf01>	oops i forgot that newgrfs are saved with scenarios too
08:56	<Wolf01>	that is a bad thing... savegames ok, but scenarios...
08:56	<@Rubidium>	scenarios are savegames...
08:57	<Maedhros>	and if you didn't save the newgrfs you wouldn't be able to use newhouses, newindustries, or new-any-other-objects in the scenarios
08:58	<Wolf01>	i need to make a copy of that scenario with the required grfs
09:06	<Hendikins>	Well, I like trams :P
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09:24	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9935 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix: could not build a drive through station when there when you own the tram bits and the town owns the road.
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09:28	<Hendikins>	Is it just me, or are trams more effective at getting pax than buses?
09:29	<TrueBrain>	you ever been at a city with trams?
09:29	<Hendikins>	Melbourne.
09:29	<XeryusTC>	trams > busses
09:29	<TrueBrain>	then you should know you can move many more people with trams over busses
09:30	<Hendikins>	TrueBrain: I'm thinking getting cargo, not moving it.
09:30	<Sionide>	do trams have to replace lorries though?
09:38	<XeryusTC>	Sionide: that's the coder's fault :P
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09:40	[~]	Hendikins builds a tram line from one end of the map to the other to test the revenue
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09:47	<kaan>	why isnt trams in trunk a news item?
09:49	<Hendikins>	There isn't a nightly with it yet?
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09:52	<Hendikins>	hrm, 9 grand for 93 pax on an 80km/h tram from one end of a 256x256 map to the other
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10:20	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9936 /trunk/src/zoom.hpp: -Fix: (Un)ScaleByZoom missed a minus sign in some cases
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10:43	<PlayMeNow>	Trams are in...trunk????
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10:45	<TrueBrain>	no, but the code for it is
10:46	<hylje>	:o
10:46	<Desolator>	so how long 'till I can play with them?
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10:47	<+glx>	compile yourself or use next nightly
10:47	<Vikthor>	And get some tram set
10:48	<Desolator>	:D
10:48	<Desolator>	Godd job!
10:49	[~]	Desolator powers up VC++, updates to latest revision and starts compiling
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11:19	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9937 /trunk/src/gfx.h: -Codechange: don't define a function that is never declared or used
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12:01	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: bjarni * r9938 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp:
12:01	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#799]: 100 wagons train + replace engine
12:01	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: Replacing a unit in a train will now remove the old unit before adding the new one. This will solve issues when max train length has been reached
12:02	<hylje>	so.. that feature was really used for once?
12:02	<@Bjarni>	well, I got a bug report where somebody learned that this didn't work
12:02	<@Bjarni>	he had two engines pulling 99 wagons o_O
12:03	<@Bjarni>	sounds American to me
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12:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9939 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix (r3139): EngineHasArticPart(v) is only valid for trains.
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12:08	<yeti_>	hi :)
12:08	<@Bjarni>	yikes
12:08	[~]	Bjarni runs away
12:09	<yeti_>	what a lovely welcome
12:09	<yeti_>	;)
12:09	<@Bjarni>	we are being invaded by non-excisting monters
12:09	<yeti_>	non-existing monster wonders how to use that tram bits stuff that the svn log talks about
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12:09	<@Bjarni>	add a tram grf
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12:10	<@Bjarni>	then they will show up on their own
12:10	<@Bjarni>	well, you need to use a revision where it's added, so either wait for the nightly build (an hour) or compile yourself
12:11	<yeti_>	i am compiling myself already, didn't know i need a grf though :)
12:11	<yeti_>	also, what it the difference between "better roads" and thos grid-options?
12:12	<Maedhros>	as far as i remember, better roads just ensure there's at least one tile between roads, while grids do what they say on the tins
12:13	<yeti_>	ah, okay :)
12:13	<yeti_>	is it possible that some of the latest revisions changed the default pathfinder from yapf back to npf?
12:14	<Maedhros>	it's possible, but i doubt it ;)
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12:23	<mikegrb>	I thought you could build a new bigger airport directly over an old airport to replace it?
12:23	<Sacro\|Laptop>	nope
12:23	<mikegrb>	oh :<
12:23	<mikegrb>	so must blow it away
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12:30	<Maedhros>	what
12:30	<Maedhros>	beckham's back in the england squad?
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12:53	<@Bjarni>	why do people believe that I'm Dutch???
12:53	<@Bjarni>	REALISIERTER KURSGEWINN VON 400% IN 5 TAGEN! <-- this is my new spam o_O
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12:54	<@Bjarni>	sent by some Dutch guy
12:54	<skidd13>	Sounds mor like german. I get exactly this spam too.
12:55	<@Bjarni>	actually it's an odd mixture of languages
12:55	<juancuka>	!password
12:56	<juancuka>	lol, wrong chat
12:56	<@Bjarni>	juancuka: what are you trying to do?
12:56	<skidd13>	no coop here ;)
12:56	<juancuka>	:P
12:56	<@Bjarni>	get the root password to all OTTD servers?
12:56	<juancuka>	something like that... sshh!
12:56	<juancuka>	tought I was in the coop chat room lol
12:56	<@Bjarni>	I'm not going to tell you :p
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13:19	<Wolf01>	bye
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13:23	<Ailure>	about 60 revisions to the 10k number
13:23	<Ailure>	:p
13:24	<hylje>	how very interesting
13:24	<Ailure>	indeed
13:24	<Ailure>	I can talk a half eternity about it
13:25	<hylje>	show me
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13:25	\|-\|	mode/#openttd [+b !Gamefreak@194.47.44.*] by Bjarni
13:25	<@Bjarni>	now I want to see you talk about it :p
13:26	<hylje>	that wasn't really nice
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13:26	<@Bjarni>	removing voice wasn't enough
13:26	<Ailure>	:p
13:27	<Ailure>	as long it's not a kickban, I don't take offence ;)
13:27	<@Bjarni>	great
13:27	<@Bjarni>	that means that I can do it again :D
13:27	<Ailure>	hmm
13:27	<Ailure>	the tram depot looks little funny
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13:29	<Ailure>	hmm, what is the best set with trams? :p
13:30	<Ailure>	haha
13:30	<Ailure>	that's kind of funny, but realistic
13:30	<Ailure>	if there's no u-turn at the end of a tramline
13:31	<Ailure>	the trams just get stuck
13:31	<@Bjarni>	wasn't that fixed yesterday?
13:31	<@Bjarni>	I guess not
13:31	<Ailure>	heh
13:31	<Ailure>	well
13:31	<Maedhros>	was it ever considered broken?
13:32	<Ailure>	the nightly was compiled for almost a half hour ago
13:32	<@Bjarni>	well
13:32	<@Bjarni>	I did consider it broken
13:32	<Ailure>	so I guess not
13:33	<@Bjarni>	well, it is an issue that a vehicle is stuck
13:33	<@Bjarni>	in real life it would reverse
13:34	<Ailure>	true
13:34	<Ailure>	trams seems pretty much to be road vehicles
13:34	<Ailure>	that can't turn around
13:34	<Ailure>	and have to use some track that can be put over road too
13:35	<Ailure>	been awhile since I saw trams here in Sweden :)
13:35	<Ailure>	I only seen them in gothenbrug
13:36	<@Bjarni>	I have only seen them in one location in Denmark
13:36	<Ailure>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/G%C3%B6teborg_sp%C3%A5rvagn.jpg
13:36	<@Bjarni>	in a museum that built a line into a forest
13:36	<hylje>	tramways should have a switch to change directions at dead ends
13:37	<Ailure>	the tram depot
13:37	<Ailure>	makes me think on a road depot taken over a mad scientist for some reason
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13:40	<@Bjarni>	heh
13:41	<Ailure>	hmm
13:41	<Ailure>	since when was road free to clear
13:41	<Ailure>	and tramways costs 1 pound to clear
13:49	<@peter1138>	...
13:49	<@peter1138>	you're playing a different game to me
13:50	<Ailure>	or a GRF that causes it to break
13:51	<Ailure>	hmm
13:51	<Ailure>	no that wasn't the case
13:52	<Ailure>	even with default settings, roads are still free to clear
13:52	<Ailure>	this is in the latest nightly
13:53	<@peter1138>	hmm, yeah
13:57	<Ailure>	heh
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14:07	<Desolator>	I found as bug with trams
14:07	<@Bjarni>	only one?
14:07	<Desolator>	you can clone any truck or bus in a tram depot, but it won't be able to get out even if I add a road going to it
14:07	<Desolator>	I got about 3 buses stuck...
14:08	<@peter1138>	hehe
14:08	<@peter1138>	it doesn't check road type i guess
14:08	<Desolator>	yep
14:08	<@peter1138>	you can sell them though, i suppose?
14:08	<Desolator>	isn't there a way to delete them? like in TTDP
14:08	<Desolator>	no
14:08	<@peter1138>	oh
14:08	<@peter1138>	o_O
14:08	<Desolator>	they're not in the depots, they are under the gfx
14:08	<Desolator>	O.o indeed
14:09	<@peter1138>	ah, they leave the depot but then go no further...?
14:09	<Desolator>	yes
14:09	<Desolator>	no matter what I try...
14:09	<Desolator>	though trams can be cloned in normal rv depot, and will run if I add tracks to it
14:09	<Desolator>	I didn
14:09	<Desolator>	I didn't know that buses can't drive off-road...
14:09	<Desolator>	:P
14:10	<Desolator>	Do you want a savegame?
14:10	<@peter1138>	they'd get stuck in mud!
14:10	<Desolator>	not if empty
14:10	<Wolf01>	not in tropic
14:10	<@peter1138>	no
14:10	<Maedhros>	quicksand?
14:10	<@peter1138>	sounds fairly fundamental ;p
14:10	<@peter1138>	i blame bjarni
14:10	<@peter1138>	he wrote all the clone code ;)
14:10	<Desolator>	well peter can you at least some how delete them?
14:10	<+glx>	very easy to reproduce so no need for a savegame :)
14:10	<@peter1138>	Desolator: yeah, roll back to an older save
14:10	[~]	Bjarni blames Rubidium
14:11	<Desolator>	I don't have one...
14:11	<hylje>	autosave
14:11	<@Bjarni>	he allowed building of all road vehicles
14:11	<@peter1138>	dum dum dah!
14:11	<Desolator>	nope...all recent
14:11	<@Bjarni>	and just blocked building them with the GUI, not the command
14:11	<@peter1138>	the weather was crap today
14:11	<Desolator>	I cloned them by mistake in the first year...and 11 passed
14:11	<@peter1138>	i blame bjarni
14:12	[~]	Bjarni nominates Desolator as PTB
14:12	<Desolator>	peter, can you delete them from the save?
14:12	<Desolator>	PTB?
14:12	<@Bjarni>	Person To Blame
14:12	<Desolator>	hey!
14:12	<@Bjarni>	it's really important to have one
14:12	<Maedhros>	with much skill, cunning, and a hex editor, yes
14:12	<Desolator>	damn...
14:12	<@Bjarni>	preferable without PTB knowing about the PTB status
14:12	<@peter1138>	or a debugger...
14:12	<Maedhros>	or that :)
14:12	<Desolator>	who wrote the save code?
14:13	<@Bjarni>	ludde... in a way to make it TTD compatible
14:13	<Desolator>	then I know where to go :P
14:13	<+glx>	Desolator: why? It is very easy to understand
14:13	<@Bjarni>	yeah
14:13	<@Bjarni>	CS
14:13	<Desolator>	I'm not the best at understanding HEX, you know...
14:13	<+glx>	you just need to uncompress it first
14:14	<@Bjarni>	yeah, that will help
14:14	<@Bjarni>	or save it uncompressed
14:14	<Desolator>	how?!
14:14	<@Bjarni>	edit openttd.cfg
14:14	<@Bjarni>	set compression to "none"
14:14	<Desolator>	ok...
14:14	<+glx>	then load and save
14:14	<@Bjarni>	you can't edit openttd.cfg while the game is running
14:15	<@Bjarni>	or rather, then the game will overwrite it without reading it
14:15	<+glx>	but he can save, edit, load and save
14:15	<Desolator>	there's no compression setting in the cfg
14:15	<@Bjarni>	the game needs to load the new setting for compression
14:15	<@Bjarni>	savegame_format =
14:16	<Desolator>	...
14:16	<Desolator>	weird names
14:16	<@Bjarni>	that is luddeish for compression method :p
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14:16	<Desolator>	lol
14:16	<Desolator>	brb
14:17	<@peter1138>	might not be compression...
14:17	<@peter1138>	savegame_format = pgp? ;p
14:17	<hylje>	uncompressed savegames are hueg
14:17	<@peter1138>	secure savegames, hehe
14:17	<@Bjarni>	hylje: yeah
14:17	<Desolator>	on, now what?
14:17	<@Bjarni>	uncompressed savegames is a debug thing
14:18	<hylje>	peter1138: rot13
14:18	<+glx>	Desolator: find the VEHS chunk and fix it
14:18	[~]	Bjarni just had another idea
14:18	<Desolator>	how do I fix it?
14:18	<@Bjarni>	hack the load savegame code to delete all road vehicles that aren't trams that are in tram tiles
14:19	<Desolator>	good idea....
14:19	<@Bjarni>	might be faster than searching though all the hex
14:19	<Desolator>	so what do I need to find in the hex after VEHS?
14:20	<+glx>	Bjarni's idea is good (prevents savegame corruption if the hex editing is wrongly done)
14:20	[~]	Bjarni decides to take a look at this bug to avoid other people from getting the same problem
14:21	<Desolator>	make me learn c++!
14:21	<hylje>	workaround code D:
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14:21	<Desolator>	then I can change the code
14:21	<@Bjarni>	you don't have to know C++
14:21	<@Bjarni>	C will do
14:21	<Desolator>	lol...
14:21	<@Bjarni>	I'm serious
14:21	<hylje>	you can change random bits of the code and see if it'll compile
14:21	<Desolator>	I know lua...
14:22	<@Bjarni>	close enough
14:22	<@Bjarni>	I hope
14:22	<Desolator>	lol @ hylje
14:22	<@Bjarni>	:D
14:22	<@Bjarni>	then I say the hex editor would be faster
14:22	<Desolator>	I be god dammed if I understand any of the hex
14:23	<Desolator>	the dump is all dots and ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂs
14:23	<@Bjarni>	read it as hex, not ASCII
14:23	<Desolator>	I did...
14:23	<Desolator>	need a screenie of Notepad++?
14:23	<+glx>	VEHS is not the easier chunk
14:24	<Desolator>	I have the addres, raw hex, and the hex dump
14:24	<Ailure>	hmm
14:24	<Ailure>	again
14:24	[~]	Desolator blames ludde for coding a weird format
14:24	<+glx>	Desolator: how many vehicles in the savegame?
14:25	<Desolator>	only rvs or all?
14:25	<+glx>	all
14:25	<Desolator>	umm...checks
14:26	<Desolator>	35
14:26	<Desolator>	brb
14:27	<@Bjarni>	heh, the same bug can make you build trams in normal road depots
14:28	<@Bjarni>	and I'm halfway though with a fix for it
14:30	<Desolator>	back
14:30	<Desolator>	the trams can exit normal road depots
14:31	<Desolator>	or where were we with save editing?
14:33	<@peter1138>	ooh, a slope ug
14:33	<@peter1138>	+b
14:34	<Maedhros>	Desolator: this might remove those trams for you: http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/remove_trams.diff
14:34	<Maedhros>	but it's completely untested, so use at your own risk ;)
14:35	<Desolator>	I'll take the risk
14:36	<Desolator>	but they are buses....
14:36	<Maedhros>	ah
14:36	<hylje>	then you have no trams but buses about
14:36	<Desolator>	stuck in tram depots
14:37	<Maedhros>	then put a ! in front of HASBIT(EngInfo... and change ROADTYPE_ROAD to ROADTYPE_TRAM :)
14:37	<Desolator>	ok thanks
14:38	<Desolator>	if (!HASBIT(EngInfo(v->engine_type)->misc_flags, EF_ROAD_TRAM) && is ok?
14:38	<Maedhros>	yup
14:39	<Desolator>	and !HASBIT(GetRoadTypes(v->tile), ROADTYPE_TRAM)) { ?
14:39	<Desolator>	hmm, that must be left intact
14:40	<Desolator>	ok, i'll see if it works
14:41	<Desolator>	and give you a virtual beer if it does
14:44	<@Bjarni>	heh
14:44	<@Bjarni>	now I kind of fixed it
14:44	<@Bjarni>	now you can't build the wrong type in a depot anymore
14:44	<@Bjarni>	because now you can't build road vehicles :p
14:45	<+glx>	trams are road vehicles :)
14:45	<Desolator>	they technically are road vechicles
14:45	<@Bjarni>	I know
14:45	<Desolator>	but actually they're light rail vehs
14:45	<hylje>	road vehicles
14:45	<hylje>	ON RAILS
14:45	<Desolator>	police rail bikes!
14:46	<+glx>	Desolator: internally they are road vehicles
14:46	<Desolator>	I know
14:46	<Desolator>	so you can put them on roads without having a tram crash a car
14:46	<Desolator>	but we need crash checks for rvs, too
14:47	<Desolator>	the normal rvs would break down, or if a tram hits a normal rv, it'd blow it
14:48	<Desolator>	I love how open copies ttdp features but implements them in the best way
14:48	<Desolator>	:D
14:48	<+glx>	like PBS ?
14:49	<Desolator>	except that
14:49	<Desolator>	btw someone should try to rewrite that for 0.6
14:49	<Desolator>	as newindustries will take some time points at Bjarni
14:51	<@peter1138>	coo, another bug ;p
14:51	<@peter1138>	maybe i should put all these on bugs...
14:53	<Sacro\|Laptop>	Bjarni: what use is opening cylinder cocks
14:56	<@peter1138>	you said cocks, hurr hurr
14:56	<@Bjarni>	now I fixed the bug
14:56	<@Bjarni>	but now it just silently fails... I better add some text
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14:58	<@Bjarni><Sacro	Laptop> Bjarni: what use is opening cylinder cocks <-- it's done when starting a steam locomotive. It is to blow out the condensed steam (now water) because water is too heavy to blow out the normal exhaust pipe
14:59	<Sacro\|Laptop>	Bjarni: ahh, right
14:59	<@Bjarni>	it's not an issue while driving because then the amount of water is so little that the steam can take the water with it, but when it has a while to collect a lot of water, then it will break the piston if the engine just drives without caring
15:00	<@Bjarni>	that and it looks great on a cold and/or foggy day :D
15:00	<@peter1138>	hehe
15:01	<@Bjarni>	I have a video of a steam locomotive starting on a foggy day. The whole engine disappears in steam and you can't see it
15:01	<Sacro\|Laptop>	hmm, my brake pipe is unhappy
15:01	<Sacro\|Laptop>	i left it at 18 Inches HG
15:01	<Sacro\|Laptop>	and its gone back up to 21
15:01	<@Bjarni>	and you can't hear me laughing. I tried not to laugh too loud in order to save the clip
15:02	<@Bj