TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:19

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01:20	<Wolf01>	hello
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02:06	<Clinton>	are there any scenarios based on the real world that have real world networks included also?
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02:21	<peterbrett>	Clinton: No, because you can't have rail laid down in scenarios atm, IIRC
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02:30	<hylje>	are scenarios just savegames?
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02:55	<@peter1138>	hylje: yes
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04:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9873 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_house.cpp newgrf_house.h town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Add missing second callback parameter for houses
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04:40	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9874 /trunk/ (39 files in 7 dirs): -Feature: advanced vehicle lists a.k.a. group interface. Now you can make groups of vehicles and perform all kinds of tasks on that given group. Original code by nycom and graphics by skidd13.
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04:42	<[BDS]-Klaus>	hi all
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04:42	<[BDS]-Klaus>	what language must i spoken here?
04:43	<Thomas[NL]>	English
04:43	<[BDS]-Klaus>	where can i find the .config file for my debian server... to configure ott
04:43	<[BDS]-Klaus>	i have set it up now
04:43	<[BDS]-Klaus>	but i search for the config
04:43	<@Rubidium>	~/.openttd/openttd.cfg (but only after you started the server once)
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04:44	<[BDS]-Klaus>	ok...
04:44	<[BDS]-Klaus>	i have it
04:44	<[BDS]-Klaus>	stupid... that i can make by my self
04:44	<[BDS]-Klaus>	big thx
04:45	<[BDS]-Klaus>	can i make a config in windows in game... and then copy to my server?
04:45	<[BDS]-Klaus>	i think its easy
04:45	<[BDS]-Klaus>	but its run with it?
04:46	<@Rubidium>	yes you can
04:47	<[BDS]-Klaus>	k
04:53	<[BDS]-Klaus>	ok... can any one say me what is this for a option?
04:53	<[BDS]-Klaus>	restart_game_year = 0
04:53	<[BDS]-Klaus>	and haw i can play with bots
04:53	<[BDS]-Klaus>	;-)
04:53	<[BDS]-Klaus>	haw = how
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04:57	<Thomas[NL]>	ai_in_multiplayer = true I think
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05:00	<Thomas[NL]>	cool advanced vehicle lists :)
05:00	<jnmbk>	Hi, I get this when trying to start a server with 0.5.2-RC1 Any ideas to fix that? dbg: [NET] Server could not start network: bind() failed
05:02	<Patrick>	port's in use
05:02	<Patrick>	or you're trying to run it <1024 on linux as a non-roo user
05:03	<jnmbk>	oh, you're right :P
05:03	<jnmbk>	21
05:03	<jnmbk>	I changed this value months ago and forgot
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05:11	<[BDS]-Klaus>	ok... first thx for all...
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05:30	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9875 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r9828): Only set carriage capacity if the wagon has not been refitted.
05:31	<Sionide>	anyone here from the UK?
05:31	<Sionide>	(lots of people, i know!)
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05:31	<@Bjarni>	why would you need somebody from the UK?
05:31	<@Bjarni>	are you considering this a dating service or something?
05:32	<Sionide>	in a manner of speaking, perhaps
05:32	<@Bjarni>	...
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05:32	<@Bjarni>	if that should work, then we need more females
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05:32	<@Bjarni>	0 are too few for this to work :p
05:32	<Sionide>	it's more of an "openttd date"
05:32	<Sionide>	as if, girls play this game too..
05:33	<Sionide>	probably don't hang around in here though
05:33	<Sionide>	-_-
05:33	<@Bjarni>	I know
05:33	<Sionide>	anyway.. i'm going to host a multiplayer co-op game with the ultra realistic great britain scenario, to build a (close as possible) replica to the uk passenger network, who wants in?
05:33	<@Bjarni>	ohh, that reminds me of LadyHawk
05:33	<Sionide>	t'must be difficult being female on the internet... so many geeks.
05:34	<@Bjarni>	she called her drawing of a car sexy and people in here started talking about the lack of women in it to call it sexy :D
05:34	<Sionide>	:O
05:35	<@Bjarni>	the best part was then somebody showed up in the middle of everything and was asked if he thought it was sexy and without knowing what everybody else said, he said that it lacked a naked women to call it sexy
05:35	<Sionide>	haha
05:35	<Sionide>	typical irc type humour then
05:35	<@Bjarni>	I guess so
05:35	<Patrick>	I'm from the UK but I have a penis so I probably don't count
05:35	<Sionide>	umm
05:36	<Patrick>	joknig aside, why do you ask?
05:37	<Patrick>	oh, there it is, 5 lines up
05:37	<Patrick>	sorry, I don't know that much abouyt the UK rail network
05:37	<@Bjarni>	he wants to make an OTTD date with you and once you are high on the game, you never know what happens :p
05:37	<Sionide>	heheh
05:38	<Sionide>	Patrick, neither do i really... i was just gonna look at train timetables
05:38	<Sionide>	to get the a->b->c layout type thing
05:38	<@Bjarni>	heh
05:38	<@Bjarni>	so you look at when NOT to make the trains drive?
05:39	<Sionide>	heh yeah
05:39	<@Bjarni>	too bad you said UK rail network
05:39	[~]	Bjarni has a complete map of the government owned rail network in Denmark
05:40	<@Bjarni>	complete with signals, sidings, road crossings and stuff
05:40	<Sionide>	hmm wonder where i could lay my hands on such a thing for the uk one
05:40	<@Bjarni>	check the homepage of the rail owners
05:41	<@Bjarni>	not the railroad, but the actual owners of the rails
05:41	<Sionide>	whee
05:41	<@Bjarni>	s/railroad/train owner
05:41	<Sionide>	http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tocs_maps/
05:41	<@Bjarni>	nice
05:42	<@Bjarni>	but less detailed than mine
05:42	<Sionide>	can't too the london underground though, yet :(
05:42	<Sionide>	although
05:42	<Sionide>	there are some cool looking newgrfs out there
05:42	<Sionide>	for london underground trains i mean
05:43	<@peter1138>	11:32 <@Bjarni> she called her drawing of a car sexy and people in here started talking about the lack of women in it to call it sexy :D
05:43	<@peter1138>	Bjarni: no, you did, and you probably drove her away :p
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05:43	<@Bjarni>	like I was the only one :p
05:44	<@Bjarni>	hmm, you guys lack rails north of Leeds
05:47	<@Bjarni>	Sionide: I just had an idea. Use google earth to get a more detailed map of the rails
05:47	<Sionide>	biryani, do you think i should make the pdfs reflect the map and take out the towns and stations which don't appear on the ottd scenario, or edit the scenario and add them in?
05:48	<Sionide>	ah nice idea..
05:48	[~]	Sionide gets google earth
05:48	<Sionide>	t'was a little buggy last i tried it, but we'll have another go
05:48	<Sionide>	actually shit, gotta run to the post office real quick, bbs
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05:54	<Patrick>	either it's a 12am pickup or he lives in the middle of nowhere
05:57	<Patrick>	the fundamental problem with ottd so far is that if you have 10 towns in a row,k and you build a linear track with 10 stations and send one train out
05:57	<Patrick>	you make more profit having the train only stop at the end 2 towns
05:58	<Patrick>	passenger destinations might fix this, but there must be a simpler approximation
05:58	<Patrick>	like, having the passenger delivery curve fall off faster
05:58	<Patrick>	(perhaps)
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06:10	<Sionide>	i live round the corner from the post office, lol
06:10	<Sionide>	what time zone are you in?!
06:10	<Patrick>	yours :P
06:10	<Patrick>	12am was10 minuts ago
06:11	<Patrick>	the only reason to argh run to the post office is if there's an uplift in 10 minutes :)
06:11	<Sionide>	the one here closes at 12:30 for some stupid reason
06:13	<@peter1138>	wait til the beeching^W^H postoffice axe
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06:16	<yeti_>	hi :)
06:16	<yeti_>	what is this group interface about? what kind of thing can i do with the groups?
06:17	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9876 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: [NewHouses] Add support for callback 2E (cargo production)
06:18	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9877 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Revert (r9876): one file too many...
06:19	<Sionide>	another question is
06:20	<Sionide>	peter1138, do you reckon i should make seperate companies for the different rail operators in the UK?
06:20	<@peter1138>	up to you
06:20	<Sionide>	for my (almost accurate) UK rail network, using the very good great britain map
06:20	<@peter1138>	set it in the 80s
06:20	<@peter1138>	then it's just BR :p
06:20	<Sionide>	lol
06:21	<Sionide>	london could get tricky
06:21	<Sionide>	what version of ottd should i use
06:21	<Sionide>	latest stable i guess?
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06:28	<Sionide>	bleh :(
06:34	<@peter1138>	nightly ;D
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06:39	<Sionide>	hrm
06:39	<Sionide>	why?
06:39	<Sionide>	it might break, this is a biggy project
06:39	<Sionide>	anyway wtf
06:39	<Sionide>	how come when i compile from source, it doesn't all go into a /bin/ directory, but it does when i compile from svn source?
06:39	<Sionide>	is there a switch for that or some such?
06:40	<yeti_>	Sionide: see ./configure --help
06:40	<@peter1138>	probably different versions
06:42	<Sionide>	yeti_, err.. what is it, static build [off] ?
06:42	<yeti_>	uhhh... you are on linux, right?
06:42	<Sionide>	orudge, [no] rather..
06:42	<Sionide>	yeah
06:42	<Sionide>	yeti_, * oops
06:42	<Sionide>	stupid autocomplete, heh
06:43	<yeti_>	huh? anyways, on linux it's --prefix-dir and the like
06:43	<yeti_>	ah wait
06:43	<yeti_>	i think i know what you mean... --prefix-dir is only useful when you actually do "make install"
06:44	<Sionide>	oh
06:44	<yeti_>	the other thing you're talking about is most likely Makefile-specific
06:44	<yeti_>	so you would have to edit the makefile i think
06:44	<Sionide>	anyway, i wouldn't have this problem if official releases had linux binaries just like the nightlies do..
06:44	<yeti_>	they do!
06:44	<Sionide>	huh
06:44	<yeti_>	well at least 0.5.1 did
06:44	<Sionide>	i thought they should have, but i must be being blind
06:44	<yeti_>	unsure whether there is already a 0.5.2-rc1 build
06:45	<yeti_>	yeah. "downloads" -> "debian/ubuntu i386"
06:45	<Sionide>	.deb
06:45	<Sionide>	i don't want a .deb
06:45	<yeti_>	you can convert deb to tgz or rpm
06:45	<Sionide>	oh?
06:46	<yeti_>	what do you want then ;) ? use the program "deb2tgz"
06:46	<Sionide>	oookay
06:46	[~]	Sionide didn't know of this program before
06:46	<yeti_>	i'm unsure whether that's really the correct name
06:46	<yeti_>	if not, try "alien"
06:46	<Sionide>	doesn't alien to rpm->deb
06:47	<Sionide>	No manual entry for alien
06:47	<Sionide>	helpful!
06:47	<yeti_>	alien -h
06:47	<yeti_>	alien -t
06:47	<yeti_>	i' pretty sure it can handle debs
06:48	<yeti_>	by the way, i have a manpage for alien, strange that you don't
06:48	<Sionide>	didn't have it installed
06:48	[~]	Sionide hides
06:48	<Sionide>	now installing
06:48	<yeti_>	yeah, that might have been the problem ;)
06:48	<Sionide>	alien -t for tar gz output?
06:49	<yeti_>	yeah
06:49	<yeti_>	alien -t ottd.deb should work
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06:50	<Sionide>	hrm
06:50	<Sionide>	didn't work
06:51	<Sionide>	well it kinda did
06:51	<Sionide>	but it put everything in /usr/share/games/ and all over the place
06:51	<Sionide>	sigh
06:53	<Sionide>	i would like /home/games/openttd/0.5.2-RC1/
06:54	<yeti_>	yeah, of course it did
06:54	<yeti_>	sorry, i thought you'd know that
06:55	<Sionide>	for example
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06:55	<yeti_>	well, if you want it over there, then compile it from svn source, use ./configure --prefix-dir=/home/games/ --personal-dir=whateveryouwant
06:55	<yeti_>	not sure about that personal-dir thing, look it up in ./configure -help
06:55	<Sionide>	i don't want svn though -_-
06:55	<yeti_>	then use 0.5.2-rc1 release source
06:55	<Sionide>	siiigghhhhh
06:56	<yeti_>	or 0.5.1
06:56	<Sionide>	this is so long winded
06:56	<yeti_>	sorry, you didn't tell me you wanted it in /home :(
06:56	<Sionide>	d'oh
07:00	<Sionide>	i just need all openttd stuff in one place, heh
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07:03	<@peter1138>	ow
07:03	<@peter1138>	15 minutes weeding and i'm all knackered
07:07	<yeti_>	heh, i read "wedding" - now that sounded strange
07:08	<Sleepie>	reminds me that I have to do gardenwork too :)
07:08	<Sleepie>	a 15 min wedding uhm that'd be fast ;)
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07:12	<@Bjarni>	<Sleepie> a 15 min wedding uhm that'd be fast ;) <-- I once saw a guy on TV, who visited Las Vegas. He found a drive through wedding thingie and saw two people getting married in less than 15 minutes. They didn't even leave the car o_O
07:13	<Sleepie>	and they're still married? :)
07:14	<@Bjarni>	I have no idea
07:14	<@Bjarni>	but I think the odds are against it
07:14	<Sleepie>	I was quite sure you'd say that ;)
07:14	<@Bjarni>	but it could be that it was some sort of shotgun wedding
07:15	<@Bjarni>	and then they could still be married
07:15	<@Bjarni>	or widowed
07:15	<Sleepie>	of course we'll never know though
07:15	<Sleepie>	well my own was a lot longer than 15 minutes :)
07:16	<@Bjarni>	I just downloaded google video player. First impression: "connection error (4 attempts)"
07:16	<Sleepie>	lol
07:16	<@Bjarni>	that went well :p
07:17	<Sleepie>	perhaps a config problem?
07:18	<@Bjarni>	err, now the video is gone from the browser as well
07:18	<@Bjarni>	I just watched it and then clicked "download"
07:19	<Patrick>	caraaaazzzzy
07:19	<Sleepie>	hmm no idea I didn't even know there exist a 'google video player'
07:20	<Patrick>	sweet, there's an american dad movie in the works
07:20	<Patrick>	google video is also broken
07:21	[~]	Bjarni decides to try another video
07:21	<Patrick>	no, it's all down
07:21	<@Bjarni>	yeah, it appears so
07:21	<@Bjarni>	which means...
07:22	<@Bjarni>	the file in question will be online again... eventually
07:22	<@Bjarni>	unless they crashed their HD and didn't back it up
07:22	<Patrick>	youtube it :)
07:22	<@Bjarni>	somehow I don't think they will do that
07:22	<@Bjarni>	I don't think it's on youtube
07:23	<Thomas[NL]>	looks like google video works again here
07:24	<@Bjarni>	lol
07:24	<@Bjarni>	I just found a ghost video
07:24	<@Bjarni>	and half the comments states that it's real and the other half how they faked it :D
07:25	<@Bjarni>	like
07:25	<@Bjarni>	"lol when the chair is gone its just a fishline i think >.>"
07:25	<@Bjarni>	and "people who claim this is fake are just not open minded, at all"
07:25	<@Bjarni>	:D
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07:26	<Patrick>	if the moon is in space how come there is gravity, people r sheep
07:26	<Patrick>	http://xkcd.com/c202.html
07:28	<@Bjarni>	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2469928627183918026 <-- awesome
07:28	<@Bjarni>	it's a cat using a computer
07:29	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9878 /trunk/src/ (autoreplace_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix (9874): some vehicle count's were not properly updated on delete or autoreplace of vehicles.
07:29	<@peter1138>	best use for a mac
07:30	<@Bjarni>	not really
07:30	<@Bjarni>	good thing this is not my monitor :p
07:30	<Patrick>	it's pretty obvious that the cameraman is operatig the mouse
07:31	<@Bjarni>	actually it looks more like a wireless keyboard
07:31	<@Bjarni>	you see, you can do all that stuff from the keyboard, but not really from the mouse
07:32	<@Bjarni>	well, not that fast
07:32	<@Bjarni>	hmm
07:32	<@Bjarni>	actually apple remote can do it as well... I think
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07:47	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9879 /trunk/src/players.cpp: -Fix (r9874): global autoreplace was little broken ;)
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08:04	<@Bjarni>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnGD1jLB-Gw <-- don't do this at home O-O
08:05	<Sacro\|Laptop>	Bjarni: that was done quite close to mine
08:07	<@peter1138>	clarkson :D
08:08	<Sacro\|Laptop>	its awesomely damaged
08:09	<Sionide>	hm
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08:14	<valhallasw>	Bjarni: oi, that is bad
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08:17	<Sionide>	actually, the route markers patch would be nice for this project
08:17	<Sionide>	is that in trunk just yet?
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08:24	<Sacro\|Laptop>	no
08:25	<Sionide>	if i compiled it in, everyone who played would have to do the same wouldn't they? :s
08:28	<Sionide>	http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/print_maps/Nat_Rail_Passenger_Operators.pdf
08:28	<Sionide>	plus United Kingdom Scenario
08:28	<Sionide>	woOot
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08:30	<elmex>	qls
08:37	<Sionide>	so what happens in, not long, when it's r9999 ?
08:37	<Sionide>	r10000?
08:39	<Sionide>	a dedicated server doesn't need the sample.cat etc files, right?
08:41	<elmex>	mine needed it
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08:42	<elmex>	the server needs the game info i guess and the trains etc.
08:42	<+glx>	Sionide: dedicated server needs all ttd files
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08:42	<Sionide>	hrm, okay
08:42	<Sionide>	what's the default port? i used to know it, but forgotten these days..
08:43	<+glx>	!openttd port
08:43	<_42_>	glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound)
08:43	<Sionide>	ah ha
08:43	<Sionide>	:)
08:43	<@Bjarni>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SRWugR6oFE&mode=related&search= <--- wow. Some guy is recording a video of a train passing by when a car derails, tips over and nearly hits him
08:45	[~]	Sionide scp's stuff over
08:45	<Sionide>	tra la la
08:51	<Sionide>	Makefile:201: *** You need to have SDL installed in order to run OpenTTD on UNIX. Use DEDICATED if you want to compile a CLI based server. Stop.
08:51	<Sionide>	how does that work?
08:51	<Sionide>	make DEDICATED <-- doesn't
08:51	<+glx>	make DEDICATED:=1
08:51	<Sionide>	sweet:)
08:51	<Sionide>	can that be added to that error message?
08:52	<+glx>	why?
08:52	<Sionide>	because i wouldn't have to ask that question, if it said use DEDICATED:=1
08:52	<+glx>	this is only in 0.5 branch
08:53	<+glx>	trunk as a different system now
08:53	<Sionide>	ohh
08:54	<Sionide>	yay!
08:54	<Sionide>	*** Sionide has joined the game
08:54	<Sionide>	*** Game paused (incoming client)
08:55	<Sionide>	:)
08:56	<elmex>	hmm
08:56	<elmex>	some servers use some interesting patches to notify players of rules and such
08:59	<Sionide>	is there an motd type thing?
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09:00	<Sionide>	elmex, this is gonna be a private server me thinks
09:00	<Sionide>	special co-op project
09:00	<elmex>	i've seen in the scripts/ directory
09:00	<@peter1138>	scripts/on_server_connect.scr
09:00	<elmex>	peter1138: isnt it on_client ?
09:00	<@peter1138>	put 'say "whatever you want"' in it
09:00	<@peter1138>	no
09:00	<elmex>	with 0.5.1 it seems to be, at least as far as readme.txt says
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09:01	<@peter1138>	readme.txt doesn't reference scripts
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09:02	<Wolf01>	yeah, the group interface finally in trunk :O
09:02	<@peter1138>	yeah!
09:02	<@peter1138>	what's the point of it?
09:02	<Wolf01>	i was used to rename trains to find them easily
09:03	<elmex>	wanna see!!! (svn upping)
09:03	<Wolf01>	something like Line-A Train-1 etc
09:03	<Sionide>	hum
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09:03	<Sionide>	problemo
09:03	<Sionide>	load -g "scenario/UK.scn"
09:03	<Sionide>	- Load a game by name or index. Usage: 'load <file \| number>'
09:04	<Sionide>	:(
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09:06	<Sionide>	how do i load this scenario into the dedicated server? :s
09:06	<Wolf01>	rename it .sav
09:07	<Sacro\|Laptop>	no you dont :o
09:07	<Sacro\|Laptop>	-g /path/to/scenario.scn
09:07	<Sionide>	Sacro\|Laptop, that didn't work..
09:07	<Sionide>	it's there now
09:07	<Sionide>	0) .. (Parent directory)
09:07	<Sionide>	1) heightmap/ (Directory)
09:07	<Sionide>	2) UK
09:07	<Sionide>	load 2
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09:08	<Sionide>	ah crap
09:08	<Sionide>	it's gotten rid of the newGRF i had
09:09	<@peter1138>	-g is only used from the command line, heh
09:09	<@peter1138>	not the console
09:09	<Wolf01>	or, start the server in gui mode with that scenario, save the game and load it in dedicated
09:09	<Sionide>	Wolf01, will that work with newgrfs as well? i copied over the openttd.cfg from laptop to server
09:09	<Sionide>	peter1138, that's not clear
09:10	<Sionide>	peter1138, actually it kinda is.. so it would be ./openttd -D -g "blah.scn"
09:10	<Wolf01>	you should have the same grf in both the computers
09:10	<Sionide>	Wolf01, i do
09:10	<Wolf01>	ok, it should work then
09:10	<@peter1138>	you need the same files, but the config is irrelevant
09:11	<@peter1138>	hmm
09:11	<@peter1138>	0 tonnes of grain (0% transported)
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09:11	<@peter1138>	i guess that one won't be going up...
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09:12	<yeti_>	that's not a new one, had that with oil yesterday already
09:12	<Sionide>	pb_ukrs.grf
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09:14	<Sionide>	i'll try copying the save game over
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09:14	<Wolf01>	i think i'll put on hold the adjacent station and the autoroad patches, and i'll try to rewrite the show catchement areas patch
09:15	<@peter1138>	or figure out a way to make the catchment areas less lame
09:16	<Wolf01>	i meant the catchement areas for existing stations
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09:16	<Sionide>	woohooo it worked, cheers Wolf01
09:17	<@peter1138>	Wolf01: so did it
09:17	<@peter1138>	er
09:17	<@peter1138>	i
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09:22	<elmex>	teh verhicle groups are nice
09:22	<Sionide>	woooo
09:23	<Sionide>	anyone recommend any other good grfs, apart from uk renewel set?
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09:24	<@peter1138>	ukrs addons ;)
09:24	<Sionide>	hrm
09:24	<Sionide>	it's a passenger game though
09:25	<@peter1138>	so?
09:25	<Sionide>	doesn't the addons add all the new industry types on?
09:25	<@peter1138>	damn, my stupidly long and slow livestock service still makes money :/
09:25	<@peter1138>	no, that's ukrsi
09:25	<Sionide>	oh, no that's different
09:25	<Sionide>	hmm
09:25	<Sionide>	coool
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09:26	<[Done]Luukland>	Heya, can someone help me? I would like to know how to use .diff and .patch files
09:26	<+glx>	use patch to patch the source then compile
09:27	<[Done]Luukland>	0_o
09:27	[~]	[Done][Done]Luukland is noob
09:27	<TrueBrain>	http://wiki.openttd.org/
09:27	<TrueBrain>	;)
09:27	<@peter1138>	i'm using ttrs3, lv4, av8, and a few station grf
09:27	<+glx>	ttrs3 needs nightlies
09:28	<+glx>	else you only change the roads
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09:28	<[Done]Luukland>	hmmm..
09:28	<Sionide>	hm yeah the stations with the domed roofs look quite cool
09:29	<[Done]Luukland>	glx can you give me a step to step guide to use a .diff file?
09:30	<+glx>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=21678
09:30	<[Done]Luukland>	THX :)
09:31	<+glx>	if you are a windows user you can try http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31823
09:31	<[Done]Luukland>	ok
09:31	<[Done]Luukland>	I will try it
09:31	<[Done]Luukland>	thx anyway
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09:35	<[Done]Luukland>	(euhh, what should i write in the pop up that comes up?)
09:36	<[Done]Luukland>	or do i have to download the source first?
09:37	<[Done]Luukland>	glx?
09:38	<+glx>	I didn't write this tool nor used it, but I think everything is explained in the thread
09:40	<Sionide>	does a dedicated server pause the game when there are no clients connected?
09:41	<elmex>	hm, is there only the groups interface in trunk and not the group-orders?
09:41	<+glx>	Sionide: there's a setting for that in openttd.cfg
09:41	<Sionide>	ah
09:41	<Wolf01>	peter1138, do you have time to work with me at the catchement areas?
09:43	<Sionide>	glx, any idea what it's called?
09:43	<Sionide>	min_players = 0
09:43	<Sionide>	set that to 1?
09:44	<+glx>	yes
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09:46	<[Done]Luukland>	glx the topic is not clear about how i should use it, is there someone here that has more information for me?
09:47	<[Done]Luukland>	it cant even update the source :S
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09:59	<[Done]Luukland>	and my last question: Is there a program where you can change vehicle speeds?
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10:01	<Patrick>	no, you would need to change the source and recompile for that
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10:02	<Patrick>	I think
10:02	<Patrick>	or edit the grf - you know what ,I don't know
10:02	<Wolf01>	grf do it too
10:03	<[Done]Luukland>	:(
10:08	<[Done]Luukland>	is there are program where you can change the vehiclespeeds in the .grf?
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11:09	<geoffk>	anyone any good with days and dates in the game? for converting dates to days and days to dates im tring to make a hex converting tool for grf's
11:11	<geoffk>	for most dates in the game i got it working, but odd ones i get confilcting results and i don't know how its programmed to handle it in 1st place thats before taking into account pollitics and date
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11:12	<Patrick>	use the source
11:12	<geoffk>	i dont know wherre exactly to look
11:13	<Patrick>	the source is about 5 megs unpacked, right?
11:13	<geoffk>	at the moment what im doing is in php with a gui
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11:13	<Patrick>	so just compile 40 million binaries, each with one bit of source flipped
11:13	<geoffk>	i'll have a look i might be able to understand the code
11:14	<Patrick>	and see which one has broken only the date and time
11:14	<geoffk>	i got no idea how to do that
11:14	<geoffk>	or know i want to
11:14	<Patrick>	I was joking :P
11:14	<geoffk>	lol uyeah kind of figured that :)
11:16	<geoffk>	most dates i got it working in the game, jsut things somewhere after 2040-01-01 my conversions are getting one day out might be others, also example 1640-01-01 gives a few days out converting somewhere
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11:17	<geoffk>	i have loaded any of the dates int he game yet to see what the game thinks the dates are
11:17	<geoffk>	haven't*
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11:17	<Sacro\|Laptop>	Patrick> use the source ← luke?
11:18	<Patrick>	quite
11:20	<Sionide>	:)
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11:33	<Chronic-_->	is there an admin for sandra-bullock.co.uk here?
11:33	<Patrick>	that's a really really bizzare thing to say
11:33	<Patrick>	are you a bot?
11:34	<Chronic-_->	maybe yes, maybe no
11:35	<TinoM\|>	no, there are several ottd-servers on that domain
11:35	<Chronic-_->	alright
11:35	<Chronic-_->	just this guy ruining the game
11:35	<Chronic-_->	:!
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11:36	<Biff>	openttd: /home/magne/src/openttd-svn/openttd/src/engine.cpp:430: CargoID GetEngineCargoType(EngineID): Assertion `IsEngineIndex(engine)' failed.
11:36	<Biff>	hmm
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11:37	<Sacro\|Laptop>	Patrick: are you a bot?
11:37	<Patrick>	:P
11:37	<Patrick>	Chronic-_-: hehe
11:37	<Patrick>	sorry, it read a bit like a viral thing
11:37	<Patrick>	join channel, mention link
11:37	<Chronic-_->	I ment the server
11:37	<Chronic-_->	it's called that
11:37	<Sacro\|Laptop>	it should at least say "evening all" first
11:38	<Patrick>	well, I figured that was what the 50 second delay way for
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12:18	<maddy>	hiho
12:18	<maddy>	Brianetta, the servers lag is too high to play on it
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12:53	<UndernotBuilder>	IDEA IDEA IDEA: what about world wrap (like in a civilization 2 option)
12:53	<@peter1138>	no
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12:54	<UndernotBuilder>	why? for world maps it can give more realism
12:55	<Patrick>	world wrap would be interesting
12:56	<TrueBrain>	I feel a patch coming up
12:56	<Sacro\|Laptop>	cylindrical world?
12:56	<Sacro\|Laptop>	TrueBrain: how does it feel?
12:56	<UndernotBuilder>	yes, something like that
12:56	<TrueBrain>	oh, no I thought UndernotBuilder was going to do one
12:56	<Sacro\|Laptop>	a spherical world would be too complex
12:56	<Sacro\|Laptop>	can't see how hard a cylindrical one would be though...
12:58	<Patrick>	spherical would be interesting
12:58	<UndernotBuilder>	and the pathfinder will go crazy
12:58	<Patrick>	you could do a teardrop shape by matching up opposite edges
12:58	<Patrick>	no, it'd be a torus
12:58	<hylje>	torus :o
12:58	<TrueBrain>	make a map that wraps in the complex dimension
12:59	<TrueBrain>	YEAH!
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12:59	<Patrick>	hah
12:59	<Patrick>	no, but seriously, world wrap
12:59	<Patrick>	the pathfinder could be taken care of by tripling the map size virtually
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