TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:17

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01:53	<Phazorx>	did something bad happenned to otfc again?
01:54	<@Rubidium>	not that I'm aware of
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01:58	<Sacro\|Laptop>	yeah, it netsplit earlier
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02:05	<Phazorx>	weird
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02:16	<@peter1138>	morning
02:16	<hylje>	evening
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05:46	<kaan>	goodmorning all
05:47	<hylje>	hi
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06:41	<Luukland>	Is here any admin which can help me?
06:41	<Luukland>	I only have some questions :)
06:41	<Luukland>	Rubidium? peter1138? Someone?
06:42	<@Rubidium>	why would an admin be needed for that?
06:42	<Luukland>	he gan give me the correct answers :)
06:42	<Luukland>	may i query you?
06:42	<Luukland>	darf ich Sie queryen?
06:42	<@peter1138>	ask on channel
06:43	<Luukland>	Ok i would like to know who is the leader/supervisor of the multiplayer servers
06:43	<Luukland>	of OpenTTD :)
06:44	<@Rubidium>	depends on the server
06:44	<@blathijs>	Luukland: Noone, really
06:44	<@Rubidium>	every server has it's own admin
06:45	<Luukland>	bacause last times i got on a server, the whole time someone is buying land around "his" factories and mine stations
06:45	<Luukland>	it gets very irritating
06:45	<Luukland>	where can I report such things?
06:45	<@peter1138>	tough
06:45	<@peter1138>	play on a different server if you don't like it
06:46	<Luukland>	well, if you have been playing for 50 years
06:46	<@Rubidium>	Luukland: try to get in contact with the administrator of the particular server
06:46	<Luukland>	where can i find those names?
06:47	<@Rubidium>	sometimes there are in the servername, otherwise it's anyone's guess
06:47	<Luukland>	maybe it is an idea for the future, maybe you can assign someone to this particular thing
06:48	<Luukland>	because now this game is ruined :( :(
06:48	<hylje>	public ottd multiplayer sucks because the game is so easily abused :\
06:49	<Luukland>	that is correct
06:50	<Luukland>	so you advise me to play only multyplayer with friends?
06:51	<hylje>	friends or a community
06:51	<hylje>	where you have server admins around
06:51	<@Rubidium>	try to find a server that is properly monitored
06:51	<Luukland>	ok :)
06:52	<Luukland>	may i thank you all for your help?!
06:52	<hylje>	sure
06:52	<Luukland>	:)
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06:59	<@peter1138>	yeah, really useful
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07:02	<nowhere>	hi, question. I was playing on a server, then suddenly all my company got erased and I was put spectator. What could be the reason?
07:04	<eJoJ>	bankrupt?
07:07	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9861 /trunk/src/unix.cpp: -Fix: null pointer derefence under MorphOS and AmigaOS.
07:07	<@Rubidium>	the server admin could've removed your company (possibly by accident)
07:11	<nowhere>	yes but I was in the company
07:11	<nowhere>	or is there a way to putspec?
07:12	<@Rubidium>	nowhere: when the server admin removes (or you bankrupt) your company you'll automatically become spectator
07:13	<nowhere>	server admin can't remove company when there are players in it
07:13	<@peter1138>	iirc you can't remove a company if it has a player
07:13	<nowhere>	i'm a little puzzled, I know there was an abusive admin in the game
07:13	<@peter1138>	possibly you went bankrupt, or there's a bug
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07:20	<Bjarni>	wow. Blizzard just released another update for StarCraft
07:21	<Bjarni>	how old will their games get before they stop caring about them?
07:21	<Bjarni>	any other company would have forgotten about such an old title by now
07:21	<hylje>	until nobody plays them
07:21	<hylje>	wc2 bnet is still up
07:22	<Bjarni>	<hylje> until nobody plays them <-- that would mean that they have to support them for decades
07:22	<hylje>	they do
07:22	<hylje>	starcraft itself is soon about a decade old
07:22	<Bjarni>	yeah
07:22	<hylje>	besides, blizzard is gearing up for a new game in two days
07:23	<Bjarni>	...
07:23	<Bjarni>	bye bye exams :/
07:23	<hylje>	rumor has it it's starcraft the second
07:23	<hylje>	dont worry, the game will be released at the earliest by next year
07:23	<hylje>	a beta test of an year is to be expected
07:24	<Bjarni>	ahh
07:25	<Bjarni>	besides I never bought any new games in the exam period. It's the road to fail
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07:28	<hnsn>	i like to fail
07:33	<@peter1138>	Bjarni: i had a RCT patch the other day
07:33	<@peter1138>	not quite as old
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08:18	<Ammler>	Is the planeset still uncompatible with ottd?
08:21	<@Belugas>	has it ever been?
08:21	<@Belugas>	what did it said the last time you've tried?
08:22	<@Belugas>	when was the last time you did try?
08:22	<Ammler>	Belugas: now$
08:23	<@Belugas>	that is one answer
08:24	<Ammler>	still the same answer, needs planespeed etc.
08:24	<@Belugas>	ho... another question : which version of ottd?
08:24	<@peter1138>	the bit flag isn't set
08:24	<Ammler>	I thought, something like this is in the trunk now (r9861)
08:24	<@peter1138>	because we don't have a planespeed option yet
08:24	<@peter1138>	so
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08:24	<@peter1138>	when someone writes a fully functioning planespeed patch...
08:25	<Ammler>	someone should tell them ot remove the bold text on the homepage
08:25	<@peter1138>	who on what?
08:26	<Ammler>	New version 1.5.3 Available, now fully compatible with Open TTD! (http://www.as-st.com/ttd/planes/)
08:26	<@peter1138>	just use av8, it's better anyway :p
08:26	<Ammler>	hehe, thats not the point
08:28	<Ammler>	Does av8 have the same types of planes?
08:28	<@Belugas>	Ammler : 1.5.3
08:28	<@Belugas>	(October 24, 2006)
08:29	<@Belugas>	Maedhros enforced the error detection on loading grf
08:29	<@Belugas>	so at that time, it was compatible
08:29	<@Belugas>	because it didn't noticed the error
08:29	<@Belugas>	i think
08:29	<Ammler>	yeah, I just thought you did something last time for that...
08:30	<@Belugas>	me?
08:30	<@Belugas>	no...
08:30	<@Belugas>	far from it
08:30	<Ammler>	mostly peter1138
08:30	<@Belugas>	i'm concentrating on other sides of OTTD as we speak...
08:36	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9862 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix (9842): strgen's error() does return in contrast to OTTD's error().
08:39	<@Belugas>	well... not AS WE SPEAK, since i don't speak, but i type... And furthermore, i'm working... so not really OTTD.
08:39	[~]	Belugas shuts up
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08:46	<@peter1138>	YEAH
08:46	<@peter1138>	i did it
08:48	<@Belugas>	OMG!!! you did it! yahoo!!!
08:48	<@Belugas>	hem...
08:48	<@Belugas>	wht?
08:49	<@peter1138>	i made it
08:49	<@peter1138>	a mug of tea :D
08:50	<@Belugas>	somehow, i feared something like that :S
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09:00	<@peter1138>	feared?
09:00	<@peter1138>	what's to fear about tea?
09:02	<@Belugas>	the answer of the "What" question not being a new wonderfull patch :P
09:03	<@peter1138>	oh, i've plenty of them
09:03	<@peter1138>	mostly for ancient revisions
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10:04	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9863 /branches/0.5/ (thread.c unix.c):
10:04	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9759, r9861):
10:04	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: - Feature: Add threading support for MorphOS (r9759)
10:04	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: - Fix: Null pointer dereference under MorphOS and AmigaOS (r9861)
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10:22	<tokai\|mdlx>	question.. in openttd windows you have close gadget on left side and another gadget on right side in the window titlebar. what is this gadget good for? looks like a needle thingy.
10:23	<hylje>	it makes the window survive
10:23	<tokai\|mdlx>	ok, found out.
10:23	<hylje>	when you depress delete
10:23	<tokai\|mdlx>	right click brings help
10:23	<@peter1138>	it's a pin
10:23	<@peter1138>	it pins the window
10:24	<tokai\|mdlx>	Do ppl play openttd a lot with keybord? i use mostly mouse for things (except for input fields, like chat etc.)
10:25	<tokai\|mdlx>	+a
10:25	<@peter1138>	i guess most people use both
10:25	<@peter1138>	i can't play without using the shortcut keys...
10:25	<hylje>	mouse for everything apart from terraforming toggles
10:27	<tokai\|mdlx>	faster airplains fly directly through slower airplans in airport waiting queues. looks funny:)
10:28	<hylje>	:o
10:31	<tokai\|mdlx>	there are also some blitbugs in the buildings when airplane flies over them
10:33	<tokai\|mdlx>	http://tokai.binaryriot.org/blitbugs.png
10:46	<@peter1138>	building road/rail & terraforming is way easier with hotkeys
10:47	<@peter1138>	tokai\|mdlx: fast aeroplanes have always gone directly through slower aeroplanes
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12:00	<Wolf01>	hello
12:06	<@Belugas>	hello :)
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12:21	<Wolf01>	!seen maedhros
12:21	<_42_>	Wolf01, Maedhros (~jc@host86-133-71-162.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) was last seen quitting #openttd.notice 6 days 22 hours 2 minutes ago (10.05. 19:19) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 3 hours 25 minutes there.
12:22	<Wolf01>	really so much time ago? :O
12:30	<+glx>	yes exams
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12:41	<Wolf01>	for adjoin stations, what is better: 1) start to drag over a station tile to extend selecting that station; 2) normal behaviour but a gui to select which station you want to extend between the ones you adjoin
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13:04	<kaan>	how come trunk head doesnt compile?
13:06	<+glx>	kaan: known :)
13:06	<kaan>	oki, just though id mention it ;)
13:07	<@Rubidium>	we're always notified when the nightlies fail to compile ;)
13:13	<ln->	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2007/may/10/1?picture=329825171
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13:30	<dihedral>	games i host have been crashing lately
13:34	<@peter1138>	shame
13:35	<@Rubidium>	dihedral: 0.5.1 I guess?
13:37	<@peter1138>	i guess it's in r6500
13:40	<dihedral>	Rubidium: yes
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13:42	<dihedral>	but i have not a clue what is causing this crash
13:42	<dihedral>	it is not always the same game that crashes
13:42	<@Rubidium>	we do
13:43	<@Rubidium>	and you do when you read the changelog of 0.5.2-RC1
13:43	<dihedral>	no way... its out?
13:43	<dihedral>	flippen heck
13:43	<dihedral>	it is
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13:45	<dihedral>	sugar
13:45	<dihedral>	but
13:46	<dihedral>	no one was playing at the time it crashed
13:46	<dihedral>	in fact no one had been playing a few hours before it crashed
13:47	<dihedral>	cannot have 0 players << what's that supposed to mean?
13:47	<dihedral>	because the server is counted??
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13:49	<dihedral>	quote from tt-forums:
13:49	<dihedral>	It's a bugfix release so no new features except one (very) small thing that might be useful for server administrators (showing whether a game is protected in the "players" console command).
13:49	<dihedral>	thanks :-)
13:53	<@Rubidium>	dihedral: "Fix: Only non dedicated servers cannot have 0 players" <- double negation can be so much fun ;)
13:53	<hylje>	:o
13:53	<hylje>	double positive?! yeah right
13:54	<@Rubidium>	only dedicated servers can have 0 players
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13:55	<@peter1138>	hmm, asus p5k3, iP35, s775...
13:55	<@peter1138>	£435...
13:55	<dihedral>	i read on instead of non :-)
13:56	<dihedral>	so what could have caused the crash
13:56	<@peter1138>	your mum
13:56	<@peter1138>	my boss
13:56	<@peter1138>	gordon brown
13:56	<Wolf01>	or me
13:56	<@Rubidium>	divine intervention
13:57	<dihedral>	a divine size 9 boot up the rear is what you guys need :-)
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13:59	<hylje>	bovine intervention
14:00	<dihedral>	my bad - there were playerws
14:00	<dihedral>	was looking at the wrong stats
14:01	<dihedral>	*players
14:01	<Wolf01>	"Free Source Code Browser is a software application that allows you to view the source code of any webpage as you browse the internet." lol
14:02	<dihedral>	lol
14:04	<dihedral>	goto http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/ click on "Buy Now" on the left hand side
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14:04	<dihedral>	enter 0.001 for quantitiy
14:05	<dihedral>	and update the purchase form :-)
14:06	<Wolf01>	lol
14:07	<dihedral>	you want to order some licenses?
14:07	<@peter1138>	negative numbers often work well
14:08	<dihedral>	then think of me when you do so :-)
14:08	<dihedral>	yeah - but the system is set out charge your account with money, not to book some into your account
14:10	<dihedral>	in addition: CodeWeavers software is available for download,
14:10	<dihedral>	so you do that purchase order and you can download a copy :-)
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14:25	<UndernotBuilder>	if PBS was removed from trunk, why the buggy AI don't?
14:27	<@peter1138>	nobody cares about the ai
14:27	<UndernotBuilder>	0.5.2RC1? I didn't look at that!
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14:28	<@Rubidium>	UndernotBuilder: because the AI doesn't crash your trains for unknown reasons
14:28	<UndernotBuilder>	I see more annonying the AI than PBS
14:28	<Wolf01>	these crashes are features
14:28	<Wolf01>	call them disasters
14:29	<dihedral>	lol - it's not a but - it's a feature ;-)
14:29	<Wolf01>	human errors :D
14:29	<dihedral>	*bug
14:29	<UndernotBuilder>	I never saw an crash caused by a well placed PBS junction
14:29	<@peter1138>	and i did
14:29	<Wolf01>	i did too
14:30	<@Rubidium>	I didn't see a crash caused by a well placed PBS junctions, but I've seen crashed trains at my well placed PBS junctions when I wasn't even building in the neighbourhood
14:30	<Wolf01>	just don't build a bridge over a reserved path or remove/add signals in reseerved paths
14:31	<dihedral>	btw: when do you guys intend to include bridges over anything
14:31	<dihedral>	... i have the distinct feeling that i have once before asked this... just cannot really remember
14:31	<@Rubidium>	into what?
14:31	<dihedral>	hehe - the stable releases
14:31	<@Rubidium>	read the wiki about releases and what goes into them
14:32	<dihedral>	sure will
14:32	<dihedral>	thanks for pointing that out :-)
14:32	<UndernotBuilder>	what happened to Darkveter?
14:32	<UndernotBuilder>	Darkvater*
14:32	<Brianetta>	Real life
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14:42	<skidd13>	Did someone use bazaar-ng?
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14:46	<@Belugas>	not me
14:46	<@Belugas>	but I love The Grand Bazaar!
14:47	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: glx * r9864 /branches/0.5/os/win32/installer/ (install.nsi notice.ini): [0.5] -Codechange (win32): Remove references to MSLU and hide UNICODE notice for win9x users in installer
14:47	<skidd13>	I want to setup a vcs
14:48	<skidd13>	and I didn't want to copy all revs from svn.openttd.org
14:49	<peterbrett>	It is alleged that TrueLight has a git mirror working
14:49	<@Rubidium>	just 'mirror' the svn repository
14:49	<peterbrett>	I just don't know how to get to it
14:50	<@Rubidium>	try the obvious first ;)
14:51	<skidd13>	you mean "bzr mirror"?
14:52	<@Rubidium>	rather svn-mirror ;)
14:52	<@Rubidium>	but don't know whether that's going to work as expected
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15:01	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: glx * r9865 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix (r9862): NOT_REACHED() and error() declarations are needed for strgen
15:06	<dihedral>	oh - hello Belugas
15:09	<dihedral>	svnsync?
15:12	<@Belugas>	hello dihedral
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15:20	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9866 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp industry.h table/build_industry.h): -Codechange: remove the technical one-input-cargo-creates-one-output-cargo limit in the factories, sawmills, steelmills and the ones I'm forgetting to mention right now. Use of this functionality will come later.
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15:38	<Phazorx>	Rubidium: what's that for?
15:39	<Wolf01>	newindustries!
15:39	<@Belugas>	:(
15:39	<@Belugas>	spoiler
15:39	<@Belugas>	good guess, Wolf01 :D
15:41	<Wolf01>	it cannot be for track laying, so it has to be for newindustries
15:42	<@Belugas>	indeed :)
15:43	<@Belugas>	well... time to go home
15:43	<@Belugas>	have a good evenin/night guys
15:44	<Wolf01>	nini
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16:02	[~]	dihedral will crawl into bed
16:02	<dihedral>	does anybody want to tuck me in?
16:02	<dihedral>	:-D
16:03	<dihedral>	:-P
16:03	<dihedral>	just kidding
16:03	<dihedral>	good night guys
16:03	<Wolf01>	night
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16:04	<Phazorx>	</dihedral fetish>
16:07	<Sacro>	!calc 2^64
16:07	<_42_>	Sacro: 18446744073709551616;
16:07	<Sacro>	hmm
16:07	<Sacro>	thats big
16:10	<maddy_>	lol
16:12	<@Rubidium>	!calc 64!
16:12	<_42_>	Rubidium: (standard_in) 2: parse error;
16:12	<@Rubidium>	stupid calculator doesn't even understand it :(
16:12	<+glx>	@calc 64!
16:12	<@DorpsGek>	glx: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1)
16:13	<+glx>	both bots are stupid :)
16:13	<Wolf01>	try writing it all
16:13	<Wolf01>	6463...
16:13	<+glx>	@calc fact(64)
16:13	<@DorpsGek>	glx: Error: 'fact' is not a defined function.
16:13	<Touqen>	@calc fac(64)
16:13	<@DorpsGek>	Touqen: Error: 'fac' is not a defined function.
16:13	<Touqen>	@calc factorial(64)
16:13	<@DorpsGek>	Touqen: Error: 'factorial' is not a defined function.
16:13	<Touqen>	weak
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16:17	<@peter1138>	@calc !64
16:17	<@DorpsGek>	peter1138: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
16:17	<@peter1138>	@calc 64!
16:17	<@DorpsGek>	peter1138: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1)
16:17	<@peter1138>	oh, too slow :p
16:18	<kaan>	So where do you huys think would be a good place to document BuildOTTD in the wiki?
16:18	<kaan>	*guys
16:18	<Progman>	on "BuildOTTD" itself
16:19	<kaan>	and what section would you put that in then?
16:19	<Progman>	section as categories in mediawiki?
16:19	<kaan>	ok, you lost me there
16:20	<@Rubidium>	Development:BuildOTTD ?
16:21	<kaan>	yes, that would be nice, but development main page has 6 subsections
16:21	<Progman>	http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/BuildOTTD
16:21	<Progman>	just use this ;)
16:21	<kaan>	i could take misc
16:21	<@Rubidium>	I'd put it between the other compilers
16:22	<@Rubidium>	on the development page
16:22	<kaan>	ok, ill look at that then
16:22	<kaan>	well better get started :)
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17:10	<Wolf01>	'night
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19:34	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9867 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove data duplication. The exact same values can be found in the industry spec, so take it from there instead.
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