TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:15

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01:20	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9840 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix (r9838): MSVC is complaining about signedness again (Belugas).
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03:42	<dihedral>	hi
03:43	<@peter1138>	hi
03:47	<dihedral>	sitting at school...
03:47	<dihedral>	such a bore
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04:03	<TinoM>	mission flicken erledigt, ab zum ifgi
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05:07	<Brianetta>	I've ditched irssi
05:08	<Brianetta>	xchat works exactly as I want, and I couldn't get irssi to emulate it. I think nine months is ample time to grow to hate something.
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05:09	<peterbrett>	xchat 4tw
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05:13	<Brianetta>	I wish I knew why my dedicated server keeps on exiting
05:13	<@peter1138>	not crashing?
05:14	<Brianetta>	nope
05:14	<@peter1138>	o_O
05:14	<Brianetta>	silently returning
05:14	<Brianetta>	I'm recompiling with debug
05:14	<@peter1138>	end of game?
05:14	<@peter1138>	nod
05:14	<Brianetta>	I specify -d on the command line, but still nothing
05:14	<Brianetta>	No end of game specified
05:14	<Brianetta>	It normally rolls on to 2398
05:14	<Brianetta>	if I forget about it
05:15	<@peter1138>	hmm
05:15	<Brianetta>	Hopefully I'll see an assert or something next time
05:15	<Brianetta>	or at least some output
05:16	<Brianetta>	How do you increase verbosity?
05:16	<Brianetta>	More -d?
05:16	<@Rubidium>	-d <num>
05:16	<@Rubidium>	or -d <specific_target>=<num>
05:16	<@Rubidium>	like -d net=9
05:16	<@Rubidium>	or -d grf=3,net=9
05:16	<@Rubidium>	or -d 3
05:17	<Brianetta>	I don't have any clue where to look, so I'll just bang them all up
05:17	<@Rubidium>	that would be -d 9 which isn't nice ;)
05:17	<Brianetta>	What's likely to be a useful level?
05:17	<@Rubidium>	quite 'floody' if I may say so
05:17	<Brianetta>	flooding matters not - I have IRC rcon
05:18	<@Rubidium>	I've got not a real idea
05:18	<Brianetta>	I'll set it to 6
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05:21	<Brianetta>	OK, that's running in screen, teeing to a log fil
05:22	<Brianetta>	/msg sarah_pilot playercount
05:22	<Brianetta>	that works
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06:28	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9841 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: add a little more type strictness to the vehicle types.
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07:23	<@Belugas>	hello
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07:38	<@Bjarni>	hi Belugas
07:38	<@Belugas>	hey Bjarni. SO, how did your svn fight ended yesterday?
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08:02	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9842 /trunk/src/ (functions.h stdafx.h): -Codechange: now NOT_REACHED is also triggered when debugging is disabled.
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08:14	<@Bjarni>	<Belugas> hey Bjarni. SO, how did your svn fight ended yesterday? <-- I won and we met the deadline.... the sideeffect is that I went to bed around 7:30.... I'm not feeling too well right now :(
08:15	<+glx>	go sleep then :)
08:15	<@Bjarni>	I can't :(
08:15	<@Bjarni>	I have to leave in a moment
08:15	<@Bjarni>	I have an appointment
08:18	<@Belugas>	you will enjoy your bed much more tonight :)
08:18	<@Belugas>	hold on, and grab some coffee (or whatever suits you) until then
08:19	<@Belugas>	yurk...
08:19	<@Belugas>	recompile
08:19	<TrueBrain>	Belugas did a 'svn update'
08:19	<TrueBrain>	;)
08:20	<@Belugas>	hehe
08:20	<@Bjarni>	bbl
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08:29	<hylje>	http://bash.org/?761884
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08:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	www.gidf.de
08:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	:)
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08:38	<TrueBrain>	kick
08:38	<TrueBrain>	:)
08:38	<boekabart>	ouch
08:38	<TrueBrain>	not you boekabart
08:38	<TrueBrain>	Welcome btw :)
08:38	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9843 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r9838): tell the newgrfs that we now support proper FIFO loading.
08:39	<boekabart>	welcome back you mean... my internet has gone down 4 times already today
08:40	<hylje>	:<
08:40	<boekabart>	very :<
08:42	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	hylje: i think the german version sounds a little more polite :)
08:42	<hylje>	the fact of it being german makes it about equal in politeness
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09:09	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9844 /trunk/ (22 files in 3 dirs):
09:09	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: replace zoomlevel with an enum
09:09	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: use predefined enums for viewport zoomlevels
09:09	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: is that your commit?
09:09	<boekabart>	TrueLight: One of the good things of the 32bbp patch :) ?>
09:10	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: yes
09:10	<TrueBrain>	boekabart: just one of those things that should have been in the trunk long ago :p
09:10	<boekabart>	exactly
09:10	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: I'm puzzled as to why you would want to use predefined enums for zoomlevels.
09:11	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: as now it is a mess, with single numbers nobody knows the meaning of
09:11	<TrueBrain>	and if you start adding new zoom-levels
09:11	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: Theoretically, zoom is a geometric value, i.e. real.
09:11	<TrueBrain>	it gets even more weird
09:11	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: currently, yes. Soon: no
09:12	<peterbrett>	So it should theoretically be represented by a real number, not by a selection of predefined ones.
09:12	<peterbrett>	Or am I just going nuts? Or am I looking at it too much like an engineer and not enough like a hacker?
09:12	<TrueBrain>	this exactly cleans up the 'hackish' part
09:13	<TrueBrain>	and you assume every zoom level is 2 times the last one
09:13	<boekabart>	peterbrett: It will be in OpenTTD 3.0 '3D'
09:13	<TrueBrain>	(factor 2)
09:13	<TrueBrain>	where there is no real reason for doing so
09:13	<TrueBrain>	and as we don't use OpenGL
09:13	<TrueBrain>	don't expect zoom level of 1.2223232`
09:13	<TrueBrain>	;)
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09:15	<peterbrett>	So what's wrong with documenting that "the zoom level is an integer z. for a given z, a sprite will be scaled by 2^(-z)
09:15	<boekabart>	you assume a fixed base size
09:16	<peterbrett>	boekabart: No, I don't.
09:16	<boekabart>	yes you do
09:16	<boekabart>	'scaled by'
09:16	<boekabart>	which might be an untrue assertion in the future
09:16	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: you will see in the near future that this is very useful :)
09:16	<peterbrett>	True. However, I assume that each sprite has a "natural size" associated with it.
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09:17	<TrueBrain>	but, to give a simple example: we now have zoom normal, 2x out, 4x out
09:17	<TrueBrain>	say someone makes 3x out
09:17	<boekabart>	"for any zoomlevel,all sprites should be scaled to a specified width/height" might be better in the future. allows any zoom factor, and any input size for sprites
09:17	<TrueBrain>	this means that you need to replace all '2' to '3' and add a '2'
09:17	<peterbrett>	Then the scaling is 2^(<sprite dependent factor> - z)
09:17	<TrueBrain>	or make '3' be in betwen of value '1' and '2'
09:17	<TrueBrain>	so you get very weird things ;)
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09:18	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: Clearly the scale factor should be base e
09:18	<peterbrett>	But it will always be exponential.
09:18	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: and that is not really needed :)
09:18	<peterbrett>	In order to percieve a continuous rate of zooming out (optical illusion)
09:18	<peterbrett>	This is why the default is 1, 2, 4, IIRC
09:18	<TrueBrain>	true
09:19	<TrueBrain>	but okay, this really is just code cleanup
09:19	<peterbrett>	So actually making it work "properly" is something planned?
09:19	<TrueBrain>	define: properly?
09:20	<peterbrett>	So I can go into the console and type "zoom <random real number>" and it will try to do it
09:20	<TrueBrain>	no, that won't be possible anytime soon; that is: for X zoom levels it will
09:20	<TrueBrain>	or rather: N zoom levels
09:20	<TrueBrain>	but not any
09:20	<TrueBrain>	as we have like 10 switches() for zoomlevel
09:21	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: But I've just demonstrated a system by which you can do zooming consistently and accurately using a single integer value.
09:21	<TrueBrain>	good for you, but OpenTTD isn't ready for it :)
09:21	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: And there's no reason you can't gate it in a certain range, 0-2 say
09:21	<TrueBrain>	there is more needed then just a theory or an idea :)
09:21	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: Which will give you your zoom levels.
09:21	<boekabart>	TrueBrain: these switches are going to be replaced by lookup tables, i presume?
09:21	<TrueBrain>	if you clamp it between 0 and 2, you can make the console command right now ;)
09:21	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: Quite.
09:21	<TrueBrain>	boekabart: not for now
09:22	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: That sounds like a challenge ;)
09:23	<boekabart>	from what I remember, most of them can be. The ones deciding font size/ hiding things actually should be I think.
09:23	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: I dunno if it is something we want... do you really want to zoom out 32 times? :)
09:23	<boekabart>	minimap!
09:24	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: No, but surely it would be useful to be able to zoom out to view the whole map. Of course, the frame rate would be horrendously slow, but hey
09:24	<boekabart>	I actually think that one more level 'in' and one more 'out' are enough. But I'm not a 32bpp artist, of course
09:24	<peterbrett>	That's not a good reason not to do it ;)
09:24	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: and that is a problem that will be hard to fix, so I don't think it is useful at this stage :)
09:24	<TrueBrain>	boekabart: I doubt very much if we need a zoom-in level
09:24	<TrueBrain>	but okay, code-wise it is now possible
09:25	<boekabart>	TrueBrain: On a 1280x1024 17" screen, sometimes details are getting small, I use CTRL-D once in a while now...
09:25	<TrueBrain>	boekabart: then it might be worth considering
09:25	[~]	boekabart needs new glasses, maybe.
09:28	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9845 /trunk/src/zoom.hpp: -Fix (r9844): svn:eol-style/svn:keywords were missing...
09:29	[~]	TrueBrain hugs Rubidium
09:30	<Brianetta>	boekabart: You asked about my live webcam
09:30	<Brianetta>	boekabart: It's done with the screenshot command
09:31	<Brianetta>	and scrollto
09:31	<peterbrett>	Brianetta: Live webcam? Where? ;)
09:31	<Brianetta>	ppcis.org/standards
09:31	<boekabart>	peterbrett: doesn't show Brianetta, just the game ;)
09:31	<Brianetta>	ppcis.org/standard
09:31	<boekabart>	Brianetta: yes, someone told me... I didn't know server could make a screenshot
09:31	<boekabart>	I was suggesting to add < > ^ buttons around it
09:31	<Brianetta>	It's deprecated
09:32	<boekabart>	to control the scrollto
09:32	<Brianetta>	I would do the buttons, but the server load...
09:32	<Brianetta>	omg, the load
09:32	<boekabart>	it HURST!
09:32	<Brianetta>	people would click the buttons
09:32	<boekabart>	eh... hurts too
09:32	<boekabart>	maybe accept only from one person, until that person times out, then accept the next
09:32	<boekabart>	(by IP or so)
09:33	<Brianetta>	Once the devs find a way to make a dedicated server that doesn't render the game into an off-screen framebuffer, they'll lose the screenshot function.
09:33	<boekabart>	Devs: Why is de dedicated server rendering?
09:33	<Brianetta>	Not much point includin garrows if they only move about ten tiles
09:33	<Brianetta>	boekabart: dedicated server is a hacky kluge
09:33	<boekabart>	no, as long as 1 user keeps pressing, he doesn't time out.
09:34	<Brianetta>	Basically, it's a regular game but with the SDL bits chopped out
09:34	<Brianetta>	That one user
09:34	<Brianetta>	will press lots and lots
09:34	<Brianetta>	and kill the CPU
09:34	<boekabart>	how much does making a shot from the already-existing buffer cost!?
09:34	<Brianetta>	It's that, and also the mogrification that puts the caption on
09:34	<Brianetta>	and the script that copies it to the web page
09:34	<boekabart>	:)
09:34	<boekabart>	stop, stop.
09:35	<@peter1138>	mjpeg...
09:35	<@peter1138>	you know you want to...
09:35	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	rofl :p
09:35	<boekabart>	yeah!! instead of sdl or gdi, use mjpeg!
09:35	<boekabart>	or mpeg::: the motion vectors are already known....
09:35	<@peter1138>	you reckon? ;p
09:36	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	make giant screenshots in real time, and then cut out the view of each person :)
09:36	<boekabart>	anyway, so why is it actually rendering? an IF in DrawViewport isn't possible?
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09:37	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	boekabart: it has to be drawing into a buffer, because the drawing functions are not clearly separated from the game logic
09:37	<boekabart>	hm... I didn't notice that so much actually. Did anyone ever spend serious time on that?
09:42	<RamboRonny>	hi nerds, a good friend of mine once said a nerd is a good thing
09:43	<boekabart>	define nerd
09:43	<TrueBrain>	RamboRonny: the fact that you need to add it directly after you saying so, indicates you know it can be read offensive
09:43	<TrueBrain>	so it is doubtful you agree with your good friend
09:43	<TrueBrain>	:)
09:43	<boekabart>	and a nerd isn't a thing, it's a person.
09:43	<boekabart>	usually.
09:45	<@peter1138>	it's an attribue ;p
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09:54	<gregor>	What chmod needs the sample.cat ?
09:54	<Noldo>	r
09:55	<boekabart>	r... like everything except openttd.cfg and save/
09:56	<@blathijs>	gregor: It needs to be readable by the user running openttd
09:57	<@blathijs>	so if you want to run openttd for one user, which also owns sample.cat, 400 or 600 is fine
09:57	<@blathijs>	if you want it to be run by all users, 644 is needed
09:57	<Brianetta>	nerd--
09:57	<Brianetta>	geek++
09:58	<valhallasw>	Brianetta!
09:58	<Brianetta>	er
09:58	<Brianetta>	valhallasw!
09:58	<valhallasw>	I changed the symlinks to a apache rewrite with [R=permanent]. that would be the best solution to keep, I suppose?
09:59	<Brianetta>	I have no idea
09:59	<Brianetta>	apache rewrite is a write-only language to me
09:59	<Brianetta>	If it works, go with it
09:59	<valhallasw>	k
09:59	<peterbrett>	Brianetta: perl is a write-only language to me ;)
09:59	<valhallasw>	interesting, 'write-only' languages :p
09:59	<hylje>	that's the common consensus anyway
10:00	<Noldo>	write-only?
10:00	<Brianetta>	well, by write only, I mean that the only way to modify it is to erase it, and try again
10:00	<valhallasw>	regexp's are write-only in general
10:00	<peterbrett>	valhallasw: indeed
10:00	<Brianetta>	no, they can be modified
10:00	<valhallasw>	apache rewrites just are regexps ;)
10:01	<Brianetta>	I'm sure they're related, but since I can't read it, I don't know
10:01	<hylje>	apache rewrites are regexps
10:01	<Brianetta>	I have written rewrite rules
10:01	<Brianetta>	but I don't understand how they work, and to be honest I'm not even sure of the syntax.
10:01	<Brianetta>	You said "[R=permanent]" and I just didn't know what that meant
10:01	<Brianetta>	or even where that would go
10:01	<Brianetta>	or even if that was what you meant by a rewrite rule
10:02	<valhallasw>	permanent redirect
10:02	<Brianetta>	It does in the line somewhere?
10:02	<Brianetta>	replaces it?
10:02	<boekabart>	err, offtopic?
10:03	<Noldo>	just a little bit
10:03	<@peter1138>	who cares?
10:03	<gregor>	yeah! It runs :)
10:03	<boekabart>	me, i want only ontopic chatter to keep me off my work
10:07	<valhallasw>	boekabart: /part O+ ;P
10:07	<boekabart>	valhallasw: ???
10:10	<Brianetta>	/join 0
10:11	<boekabart>	is that the same as /leave?
10:12	<valhallasw>	well
10:12	<valhallasw>	more like /leave *
10:12	<valhallasw>	part == leave
10:13	<Brianetta>	Originally, IRC only had numbered channels
10:13	<Brianetta>	/join 34
10:13	<Brianetta>	etc
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10:14	<valhallasw>	...
10:15	<boekabart>	sounds like IRC used to be only for nerds
10:15	<boekabart>	ROFL
10:15	<hylje>	it was
10:16	<boekabart>	WAS ?
10:16	<hylje>	there were no way to chat on the internet back then
10:16	<hylje>	more or less just one-to-one
10:16	<@blathijs>	boekabart: I still have a fairly strong channel-to-number connection in my head, for irssi shows activity by channel number :-)
10:16	<hylje>	yes
10:16	<Noldo>	blathijs: window number
10:17	<boekabart>	blathijs: see, still. just for nerds. and yes I know I'm here.
10:17	<@blathijs>	Noldo: yes that :-)
10:17	<hylje>	channel names take my precious screen estate
10:17	<Brianetta>	I just ditched irssi
10:17	<boekabart>	so that's why the # prefix...
10:18	<Brianetta>	boekabart: # for named network-wide channels
10:18	<Brianetta>	@ for local named channels
10:18	<hylje>	& actually
10:18	<hylje>	for local
10:18	<Brianetta>	&, yes
10:19	<boekabart>	local == the random server you log on to?
10:19	<hylje>	yes
10:19	<Brianetta>	Some servers don't allow local channels to be created, but that's just because they have miserable admins
10:19	<boekabart>	what are those useful for
10:19	<Noldo>	boekabart: not all people connect to random servers
10:19	<Brianetta>	boekabart: Before round-robin DNS, they were far from random
10:20	<Brianetta>	You connected to your local efnet server, which was in your company or university
10:20	<Noldo>	IRCnet has + and ! channels too
10:20	<Brianetta>	and channels there could be properly local
10:20	<boekabart>	is it very obvious that I never was in the University Unix club?
10:20	<Brianetta>	No
10:21	<Brianetta>	Just obvious that you weren't on the net way back then
10:21	<boekabart>	Brianetta: LOL
10:21	<Brianetta>	I remember when the first Windows users came onto IRC
10:21	<boekabart>	actually I was, both... I remember having a @stack.tue.nl email address....
10:21	<Brianetta>	Mardam-Bey was almost assassinated, I recall
10:21	<Noldo>	our computer club has a local channel on unis irc server
10:22	<Brianetta>	The first version of mirc was cool
10:22	<Brianetta>	All these whiney Windows users came online, yacking on about games and stuff, with no hacker values or appreciation of net culture
10:22	<Brianetta>	but that was OK
10:22	<Brianetta>	because if you just said a Ctrl-A into the channel, their clients crashed
10:22	<boekabart>	up to now, I haven't found a really decent IRC client for win
10:22	<boekabart>	using gaim/pidgin nowadays
10:23	<Brianetta>	There isn't a really decent anything for win
10:23	<Brianetta>	or lose, as I think of it
10:23	<hylje>	faildows
10:23	<boekabart>	how about openttd
10:23	<Brianetta>	Microsoft Losedows
10:23	<hylje>	:o
10:23	<boekabart>	no faildows sounds better
10:23	<Brianetta>	Win is to lose as succeed is to fail
10:24	<boekabart>	ya ya...
10:24	<Brianetta>	It isn't Succeeddows
10:24	<boekabart>	definately not
10:24	<valhallasw>	Brianetta: InDesign works
10:24	<boekabart>	wait. msvc is decent for win, actually
10:24	<peterbrett>	Windows Vista is a particularly good joke.
10:24	<valhallasw>	insert random game works
10:25	<Brianetta>	Yeah, sure. No recent game works on my XP box.
10:25	<valhallasw>	Interesting.
10:25	<boekabart>	I have a p4 3.2 with a geforce 6600... can't even fly flightsim 10 decently
10:25	<valhallasw>	Maybe you should install DirectX :p
10:25	<boekabart>	no, i'll just play around with ottd
10:26	<Brianetta>	valhallasw: Actually, I think it has more to do with my 1800 CPU
10:26	<Brianetta>	Whereas on my PSP, all PSP games work.
10:26	<Brianetta>	The PC isn't a gaming platform any longer.
10:26	<peterbrett>	Microsoft are getting really desperate, judging by their patent trolling against FLOSS
10:26	<Brianetta>	Fewer and fewer games are available.
10:27	<Brianetta>	Wander into Game, and you get two stacks. Latest releases, and budget.
10:27	<Brianetta>	The shop must have 100 stacks.
10:28	<valhallasw>	Brianetta: I agree with you console gaming is taking a leap
10:28	[~]	boekabart is dreaming about a xbox360 port of openttd.. which you play with keyboard and mouse
10:29	<Brianetta>	So when there are no more PC games
10:29	<boekabart>	... on a 40" LCD
10:29	<Brianetta>	there will be no more use for Windows
10:29	<Brianetta>	and it will die
10:29	<Brianetta>	and Mac will become the new evil
10:29	<Brianetta>	and Linux will fight Mac instead
10:29	<boekabart>	because without evil there can be no good?
10:29	<hylje>	microsoft is migitating that with xbox30 and easily portable games between the platforms
10:30	<boekabart>	migiwho?
10:30	<Brianetta>	Yeah.. and their QA doesn't compare with Nintendo's
10:30	<peterbrett>	hylje: Did you mean mitigating?
10:30	<hylje>	red ring of death
10:31	<peterbrett>	Nintendo is absolutely kicking ass in the consoles arena
10:31	<hylje>	peterbrett: wow, never seen that one
10:31	<hylje>	always read migitating
10:32	<boekabart>	brains are weird....
10:36	<hylje>	a
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11:09	<TrueBrain>	hmm
11:09	<TrueBrain>	-Codechange: introduced ZOOM_LVL_MIN and ZOOM_LVL_MAX for the obvious reason
11:09	<TrueBrain>	s
11:09	<TrueBrain>	-Codechange: introduced ZOOM_LVL_DETAIL to show/remove details
11:09	<TrueBrain>	-Codechange: changed << and >> operator with ZoomLevel to a simple wrapper (
11:09	<TrueBrain>	that in theory also allows zoom-in besides the current zoom-out)
11:09	<TrueBrain>	-Fix r9845: missed some int -> ZoomLevel
11:09	<TrueBrain>	That it should have been...
11:10	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: Commit by truelight :: r9846 /trunk/src (13 files) (2007-05-15 16:08:46 UTC)
11:10	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: -Codechange: introduced ZOOM_LVL_MIN and ZOOM_LVL_MAX for the obvious reasons
11:10	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: -Codechange: introduced ZOOM_LVL_DETAIL to show/remove details
11:10	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: -Codechange: changed << and >> operator with ZoomLevel to a simple wrapper (that in theory also allows zoom-in besides the current zoom-out)
11:10	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: -Fix r9845: missed some int -> ZoomLevel
11:14	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: and now we can add new zoom levels in a very simple way
11:14	<TrueBrain>	as the compiler immediatly starts bithcing if you forget a case somewhere :p
11:15	<TrueBrain>	(or you assert directly :p)
11:16	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9846 /trunk/src/ (13 files):
11:16	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: introduced ZOOM_LVL_MIN and ZOOM_LVL_MAX for the obvious reasons
11:16	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Fix r9845: missed some int -> ZoomLevel
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11:21	<gregor>	MD5 of TRGT.GRF is **INCORRECT** - File Corrupt.
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11:23	<@Rubidium>	gregor: and?
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11:25	<+glx>	it's your file
11:25	<+glx>	you may have applied a grd exe on it
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11:51	<Zr40>	hey TrueBrain
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12:11	<MeusH>	hello
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12:17	<Wolf01>	hello
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12:19	<MeusH>	!seen sleepie
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12:19	<TrueBrain>	@seen sleepie
12:19	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: sleepie was last seen in #openttd 20 hours, 41 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Sleepie> hmm, I think it is a very special kind of transport so I'm not sure if their is really a need for it in OTTD
12:19	<TrueBrain>	Difference between being here, and really talking :p
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12:20	<TrueBrain>	fast, commit many tihngs!
12:20	<TrueBrain>	they won't notice!
12:20	<MeusH>	thanks :)
12:20	<MeusH>	hehe :)
12:20	<maddy>	i think we found a bug
12:20	<Wolf01>	zen moment?
12:21	<hylje>	ze moment
12:21	<TrueBrain>	maddy: I think we found many bugs: http://bugs.openttd.org/
12:21	<maddy>	lol
12:22	<@Belugas>	stange... <I> think <WE> found a bug...
12:22	<maddy>	too bad that brianetta isn't here, he could look up in the logs what exactly happend
12:22	<@peter1138>	you shut down his server again?
12:22	<@Belugas>	<I> think, but <WE> do not know that <I> think...
12:22	<maddy>	Belugas, i think that we (my associate and me) found it ;)
12:23	<TrueBrain>	Belugas: exactly :)
12:23	<hylje>	html?
12:23	<@Belugas>	so, we think we've found a bug!
12:23	<@Belugas>	muwhahaha!
12:23	<maddy>	peter1138, just because we tried to demolish a bridge
12:23	<TrueBrain>	Belugas: only he thinks it
12:23	<TrueBrain>	the other guy has no clue :p
12:23	<maddy>	lol
12:23	<@Belugas>	rofl
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12:24	<@Belugas>	anyway, maddy, please explain what you've found
12:25	[~]	Belugas likes "you", as it could be singular or plural without distinction
12:25	[~]	peter1138 likes Belugas cos he's finished newindustries
12:25	<Wolf01>	what? when?
12:25	<@Belugas>	i have??
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12:26	[~]	Belugas should detect british humour by now :S
12:26	<TrueBrain>	yes, you should
12:26	<hylje>	british humour is most silly
12:27	<@peter1138>	that is the point of humour...
12:27	<geoffk>	hylje, wait til i start mies so bad
12:27	<boekabart>	Can't get my wife to not-loathe it.
12:27	<geoffk>	mines*
12:27	<maddy>	Belugas, last night it was a wooden bridge with a train on it and my asso tried to demolish it crash, and just 5 minutes ago was it a steel bridge with a train on it craseaswell
12:27	<@Belugas>	no, not silly. Just different
12:27	<hylje>	non-silly humour?
12:27	<hylje>	now that's silly!
12:27	<@Belugas>	maddy : which version of program?
12:28	<maddy>	0.5.1
12:28	<boekabart>	uh oh!
12:28	<@Belugas>	i think it has already been fixed in nightlies, iirc
12:28	<maddy>	i see
12:29	<maddy>	then we try to not demolish a bridge with a trzin on it XD
12:29	<boekabart>	maddy: that's silly anyway
12:29	<@Belugas>	yup, a trzin as well as a train ;)
12:29	<maddy>	boekabart, don't tell me...
12:30	[~]	boekabart just had to use that word one more time
12:30	<hylje>	zug zug
12:30	[~]	Belugas thinks he might as well shuts up, since his rate of type is quite high
12:31	<@Belugas>	furthermore, i have stuff to finish...
12:31	<hylje>	stuff..
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12:31	<Wolf01>	i think OFTC kick me when i say idiocies :\
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12:32	<maddy>	Belugas, NewIndustries is finished?
12:32	<TrueBrain>	see what you did peter1138
12:32	<@Belugas>	yes
12:32	<@Belugas>	it is finished
12:32	<maddy>	Belugas, in nightlies?
12:32	<@Belugas>	nightlies?
12:32	<@Belugas>	what's that?
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12:33	<yeti_>	hi :)
12:33	<Wolf01>	Belugas, NewIndustries is finish..ehm can it allow industries on slopes?
12:33	<@Belugas>	hello yeti_
12:33	<yeti_>	who of you broke zooming in in latest trunk ;) ?
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12:33	<+glx>	yeti_: check the logs :)
12:33	<maddy>	nightly build
12:34	<@Belugas>	unfortunately, i cannot tell you, Wolf01, since it's not finished yet :D
12:34	<Wolf01>	lol XD
12:34	<@Belugas>	but surely it will, given the grf authors provided the callbacks for it
12:34	<@Belugas>	and now...
12:34	<@Belugas>	see you
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12:34	<yeti_>	according to the svn log, it was truelight ;)
12:34	<Wolf01>	why cia logs site is dead?
12:35	<TrueBrain>	yeti_: what is broken about it?
12:35	<Wolf01>	i hope is not another dns problem... i'll kill somebody tomorrow
12:36	<yeti_>	TrueBrain: on my linux build, when i zoom in, it doesn't zoom in, and when i try to scroll around the map when "zoomed in", the whole screen turns into a big mess
12:36	<skidd13>	I noticed that too.
12:36	<yeti_>	TrueBrain: also, in the city windows, the city does not appear any more
12:36	<TrueBrain>	yeti_: latest version?
12:37	<yeti_>	yes, 9846
12:37	<hylje>	r9829, linux, zooming works as intended
12:37	<TrueBrain>	hmm... git <-> svn sync failed badly :s
12:37	<yeti_>	of course it does in 9829, the zooming code changes were done in 984* :)
12:38	<hylje>	zomg git
12:38	<yeti_>	git?! why? ;)
12:39	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: git?!?! Where!!
12:39	<boekabart>	Q: how do I set the server password to nothing? (dedicated server, console)
12:39	<TrueBrain>	I use git for OpenTTD developing
12:39	<TrueBrain>	just pushing things to SVN doesn't always go as planned
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12:40	<hylje>	:o
12:40	<TrueBrain>	the question now is, where did it go wrong...
12:40	[~]	glx tries to find the faulty rev
12:41	<@Rubidium>	git-bisect !
12:41	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: hehe :)
12:41	<TrueBrain>	too bad recompiling each revision takes for ever :s
12:41	<+glx>	yes
12:41	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: Can you put your git clone of the svn master on repo.or.cz so I can clone it?
12:42	<TrueBrain>	lol, why would I? :p Hehe :)
12:42	<MeusH>	@seen MiHaMiX
12:42	<@DorpsGek>	MeusH: MiHaMiX was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 45 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <MiHaMiX> Rubidium: err... i don't really know, i'll test it
12:42	<TrueBrain>	they have many many gits :s
12:42	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: By attempt to use git-svnimport keeps stalling on r8253
12:42	<peterbrett>	I mean 8453
12:42	<peterbrett>	s/By/My/
12:42	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: here it only failed in the branch -> branches renaming
12:42	<peterbrett>	Argh
12:43	<TrueBrain>	so I just trashed everything older :p
12:43	<TrueBrain>	(r5XXX)
12:43	<+glx>	9844 is ok
12:43	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: I got over that quite easily using the -b switch
12:43	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: which doesn't work as you hoped ;)
12:43	<TrueBrain>	but okay, I might make the git public in a while
12:43	<TrueBrain>	first let me find this bug
12:43	<peterbrett>	TrueBrain: Do you use -m?
12:43	<@peter1138>	heh
12:43	<@peter1138>	yeah, that's really funky
12:44	<TrueBrain>	glx: it is 9846 itself
12:45	<TrueBrain>	peterbrett: as git is so easy to clone, it is enough for me to publish a single git via the openttd.org domain
12:45	<TrueBrain>	the rest it up to who ever cares :p
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