TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:12

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---	Log	opened Sat May 12 01:00:36 2007
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02:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9828 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Codechange: [NewGRF] Add support for changing cargo capacity with callback 36. This is set on construction for ships and roadvehicles, and whenever carriages are attached for trains.
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02:13	<mikk36>	VirtualPC või VMWare ?
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02:20	<Rubidium>	qemu
02:22	<mikk36>	oh cmon, i aint gonna run DOS apps on it
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02:22	<mikk36>	i'm going to create a testbed for exploring the world of domains :)
02:22	<mikk36>	based on 2003
02:23	<Rubidium>	why would qemu be slow?
02:23	<mikk36>	it runs win ?
02:24	<mikk36>	uhm, does it run in win ?
02:24	<Rubidium>	When used as a virtualizer, QEMU achieves near native performances by executing the guest code directly on the host CPU. <- i.e. it's basically the same as VMWare/VirtualPC
02:24	<Rubidium>	and they talk about CPUs, not OSes
02:25	<Rubidium>	I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work
02:25	<Rubidium>	and there is a wiki page with how to install windows under qemu, so I think it works
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02:27	<mikk36>	Windows port includes the proprietary FMOD sound layer so it does not qualify as free open source software
02:27	<mikk36>	:P
02:30	<mikk36>	uhm
02:30	<mikk36>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines
02:31	<mikk36>	this page tells that it's speed is 10-20% of host
02:31	<mikk36>	OR Near native
02:31	<mikk36>	what's the deal ?
02:33	<Rubidium>	10-20% when not running the virtualization stuff (i.e. you can emulate a x86 on a PPC), near native with virtualization stuff, so you can only run x86 stuff on a x86
02:33	<Rubidium>	the near native version is equivalent to VMWare/VirtualPC
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03:12	<Wolf01>	hello
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03:28	<hylje>	Rubidium: qemu depends on hardware virtualization to get that speed
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04:09	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9829 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Codechange: more refactoring of the unloading algorithm.
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04:48	<kaan>	hello all
04:50	<Thomas[NL]>	hi
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05:15	<Wolf01>	i need maedhros :(
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05:30	<Wolf01>	peter1138, are you here?
05:30	<@peter1138>	yes
05:31	<Wolf01>	i managed to rebuild a station tile(s) also if is in the adjoined area
05:32	<hylje>	omg!
05:32	<Wolf01>	http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/adjoin_stations_9828.diff
05:33	<Wolf01>	you can't yet extend a station to adjoin with another without rebuild it, but i think is not so difficult
05:34	<Wolf01>	http://rafb.net/p/4wXziI84.html that is the new code
05:37	<Wolf01>	i tried for 2 hours to achieve this result, i hope it isn't a useless work :P
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06:03	<elmex>	hm, there were some transfer problems i heard, do these problems in 0.5.1 stil exist?
06:03	<elmex>	and what problems were that actually?
06:05	<Wolf01>	the cargo lose it "from" information, which is overwritten if there are 2 source stations
06:06	<Wolf01>	this mean that a fully A<->B<->C doesn't work
06:06	<hylje>	unless passenger destinations are active
06:06	<elmex>	hm
06:06	<Wolf01>	right
06:06	<hylje>	in that case passengers are transferred automatically
06:06	<hylje>	and destinations are retained
06:06	<elmex>	which revision was the 0.5.1 release made from?
06:07	<elmex>	can't find the information anywhere :(
06:07	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	tags/0.5.1
06:09	<elmex>	damned svn
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06:19	<@peter1138>	DAMNED!
06:19	<hylje>	dammit
06:22	<Rubidium>	elmex: what's wrong with svn?
06:25	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it's damned, obviously :=
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06:28	<TheJosh>	Hey everyone!
06:29	<TheJosh>	how has everyone been?
06:29	<elmex>	i guess it's just that i'm used to cvs
06:29	<TheJosh>	Everyone: how have you been?
06:30	<TheJosh>	/Nick Everyone
06:30	<TheJosh>	im going to shut up now
06:32	<hylje>	okay
06:33	<TheJosh>	nope i dont think i can. its a horrible habit but meh. i just like talking. its weird
06:34	<TheJosh>	whats the time around the place? whenever i go on it always feels like ive come at the wrong time
06:34	<kaan>	TheJosh its ok, well listen :P
06:34	<hylje>	14:35
06:34	<kaan>	13:34
06:34	<TheJosh>	i have noticed that i say about 1/2 of all the conversations....
06:35	<TheJosh>	early afternoon? tis 9:05pm 'ere
06:35	<kaan>	yup, when you go to bed we start the party :P
06:35	<TheJosh>	let me guess, you guys are european?
06:35	<hylje>	:o
06:36	<kaan>	you are so right
06:36	<TheJosh>	there you go, me doing 1/2 the talking again. all i can see is a heap of my name in blue
06:36	<kaan>	well i better get some lunch
06:36	<@peter1138>	yeah... 12:35
06:36	<@peter1138>	i better get dressed
06:36	<TheJosh>	ha ha ha
06:36	<hylje>	:o
06:37	<kaan>	get dressed? well now that you mention it
06:37	<TheJosh>	i didnt eat breakfast until 11 this morning. and had lunch at 3
06:37	<TheJosh>	tis been a good saturday. i worked on the go-cart
06:37	<TheJosh>	we are converting it to chain drive. whee!
06:37	<kaan>	what did it have before?
06:37	<kaan>	belt?
06:37	<TheJosh>	belt drive
06:38	<kaan>	oki
06:38	<kaan>	that should improve things a lot then :)
06:38	<TheJosh>	but we were going to fast that the belts were snapping from overheat. thats what you get by going 60 km/h
06:38	<kaan>	hehe
06:38	<TheJosh>	im hoping for 80 km/h or 100 km/h. w00t!
06:38	<kaan>	a chain should work wonders then :)
06:39	<TheJosh>	there is somehting great about bumming around on a saturday. went to a friends place, (played a bit of open ttd), mozie around
06:39	<kaan>	now, must have food ....
06:40	<TheJosh>	and finnish off listening to worhip music with the strobe lights on
06:40	<TheJosh>	kaan: enjoy lunch
06:41	<TheJosh>	peter1138: how have you been? gotten dressed yet?
06:45	<TheJosh>	i think i am going to go now, i feel like i have said too much (once again...)
06:45	<TheJosh>	anyway]
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07:33	<MeusH>	hey
07:34	<MeusH>	does anyone know what's up with MiHaMiX? He seems to be away for a very long time
07:34	<Rubidium>	real life...
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07:35	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yeah, it's really contageous :)
07:35	<Wolf01>	hello MeusH
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07:35	<MeusH>	hey Wolf01
07:35	<MeusH>	who manages the wiki now?
07:35	<MeusH>	Born_Acorn?
07:36	<Wolf01>	real life also for him...
07:36	<@peter1138>	well, mihamix...
07:36	<Wolf01>	oh, wait, was darkvater
07:37	<Wolf01>	where's maedhros gone?
07:38	<glx>	exams soon for him
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07:39	<Wolf01>	while he's away, i must beg somebody else
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07:46	<Wolf01>	hylje, do you have tried the adjoin patch?
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07:49	<hylje>	Wolf01: wait what?
07:50	<Wolf01>	http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/adjoin_stations_9828.diff <-
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07:51	<hylje>	ah no. i shall now
07:52	<Wolf01>	tell me if enough user friendly, i need people impressions to improve my work ;)
07:53	<hylje>	provide a test case?
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07:54	<Wolf01>	just try to build some adjacent newgrf stations to be sure if is possible to change all the pieces
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07:54	<hylje>	okay
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07:58	<hylje>	looks like working
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07:58	<Sionide>	looks like split to me
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07:59	<hylje>	no
08:00	<mikk36>	?
08:00	<Wolf01>	i would like to be enough good to be able to code something to allow to extend an adjoined station without rebuild it
08:01	<mikk36>	what's an adjoined station ?
08:01	<mikk36>	aha
08:04	<Wolf01>	http://www.tt-forums.net//files/06_981.png <- this
08:05	<Wolf01>	very usefull when there is too less space and to make larger "waypoints" directly adjacent to a station
08:06	<Zr40>	would that work for road stops too?
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08:06	<Wolf01>	no, only railway for the moment
08:06	<Wolf01>	hello Belugas
08:07	<Wolf01>	but since there are only little changes, it might work for roadstops and airports too
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09:31	<kaan>	slight disconnect :)
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12:04	<kbrooks>	hi.
12:04	<kbrooks>	um
12:04	<Thomas[NL]>	"(Yesterday) 16:50 <Eddi\|zuHause3> there was something about virtual signals, but the plan was not very far developed last time i checked :)" a question you may not yet be able to answer but will this also make multiple trains per bridge/tunnel possible ?
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12:05	<kbrooks>	how do i make a town accept my building of a bus stn
12:07	<Thomas[NL]>	your company rating has to be high enough, you can raise it by having a good transport-service, planting trees around the city or bribing the authority (not without a risk)
12:08	<Thomas[NL]>	read this -> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics#Local_Authority_Ratings
12:10	<kbrooks>	good transport service?
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12:21	<Eddi\|zuHause>	Thomas[NL]: yes, that should be possible
12:22	<Thomas[NL]>	yay :)
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12:23	<Eddi\|zuHause>	but like i said, it is a long term plan, and it might not be ready for 0.6
12:23	<kbrooks>	why is it long term?
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12:25	<Eddi\|zuHause>	because it is a really big change, and i have not seen any implementation attempts yet
12:26	<kbrooks>	i'm curious.. is there a way to transfer trains to different depots?
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12:27	<Eddi\|zuHause>	you can send a train to a specific depot by giving it a "goto depot" order, i believe
12:29	<kbrooks>	Eddi\|zuHause, no, different railroad.
12:29	<glx>	then you can't
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13:20	<elmex>	hm, is it possible to have a server with a dynamic ip that shows up on the metaserver?
13:20	<elmex>	err. serverlist
13:20	<Ammler>	elmex: why not?
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13:36	<elmex>	hm
13:37	<elmex>	because there is this
13:37	<elmex>	connect_to_ip =
13:37	<elmex>	config variable
13:40	<elmex>	ah, nvm
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13:49	<kaan>	good evening all
13:50	<Sacro>	kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
13:51	[~]	Sacro fancies watching star trek
13:51	<kaan>	not a bad choice, may i reccomend "The Search for Spock"
13:52	<Sacro>	you can recommend that...
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14:07	<Eddi\|zuHause>	i'd prefer first contact
14:09	<Sacro>	Eddi\|zuHause: an awesome one
14:10	<Sacro>	though i do quite liek Generations
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14:18	<Eddi\|zuHause>	just watch them all, you can't do much wrong :)
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14:45	<kbrooks>	how do i increase the value of a company?
14:45	<Sionide>	do stuff
14:45	<elmex>	earn more money and build stuff eg.
14:45	<Sionide>	deliver cargo
14:52	<Thomas[NL]>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=584943#584943 can this also be fixed in trunk
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14:57	<Eddi\|zuHause>	Thomas[NL]: you know where bug reports should go?
14:58	<Thomas[NL]>	yes, I said it here because it is just a one-line fix.. sorry
15:09	<kbrooks>	what can take oil?
15:10	<lolman_>	refineries? :P
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15:11	<boekabart>	the US govt?
15:12	<boekabart>	al quaida?
15:12	<kbrooks>	lolman_: ok
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15:24	<Sionide>	isn't there some shortcut way of seeing how high a tile is?
15:24	<Sionide>	ie. to know whether i'm gonna have to tunnel or bridge
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15:52	<kbrooks>	TIP!!!
15:55	<kbrooks>	For a station with rails that go in and out and with them at the opposite sides, you need to create X's at both sides
15:57	<Eddi\|zuHause>	that sentence does not parse
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16:08	<kbrooks>	Eddi\|zuHause, it doesn't? wow.
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16:20	<kbrooks>	how to scroll up in console
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16:21	<@peter1138>	page up
16:21	<@peter1138>	or shift page up
16:21	<@peter1138>	or something
16:21	<kbrooks>	peter1138, shift pg up, thanks
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16:48	<kbrooks>	ping
16:48	<glx>	missing target :)
16:48	<Eddi\|zuHause>	broadcast package rejected
16:48	<kbrooks>	when would the station window say en-route stuff
16:49	<Eddi\|zuHause>	when using transfer
16:49	<Eddi\|zuHause>	or unloading at a station that does not accept the cargo
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17:21	<Wolf01\|AWAY>	'night
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19:11	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9830 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix(r9779) : Let the town expand and build new houses along the roads of the users, even in case of "No Road" layout (skiddl13)
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22:07	<kbrooks>	ttyl bed
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22:11	<kbrooks>	byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee going off now
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