TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:06

---	Log	opened Sun May 06 00:00:25 2007
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02:54	<Wolf01>	hello
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03:50	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9792 /trunk/src/genworld.cpp: -Fix (r9734): Pause on newgame should only apply to games, not the scenario editor.
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04:13	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9793 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r9701): Action D 'TTDPatch variable' 0x0B should be the starting year, not the current year.
04:13	<Maedhros>	formulaic commit messages? me?
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04:23	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	better than... that other one :)
04:23	[~]	Zr40 revives his enhanced financed windows patch
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04:59	<Zr40>	any mac debugging gurus around?
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05:00	<Alanin>	hello
05:02	<elmex>	hello Alanin
05:03	<Alanin>	i just downloaded the last nightly for ppc and it keeps crashing when starting a new game
05:03	<Alanin>	this is the console output: http://rafb.net/p/7NIqHi32.html
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05:03	<Alanin>	if this is any help
05:04	<TrueBrain>	ppc, as in pocketpc, or as in OSX ppc?
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05:04	<Zr40>	what's a pocketpc?
05:04	<TrueBrain>	PDAs :)
05:04	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	a px for the pocket? :p
05:04	<TrueBrain>	Alanin: you should learn to read readmes :)
05:04	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	*pc
05:05	<Alanin>	its powerpc as in macs
05:05	<TrueBrain>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Installation_FAQ <- check the OSX section
05:05	<TrueBrain>	it also talks about it in the readme.txt
05:06	<Alanin>	and what will change this?
05:06	<valhallasw>	it will make opntitle.dat accessible
05:06	<valhallasw>	I suppose
05:06	<valhallasw>	(and other data files)
05:06	<Alanin>	but i was running ottd for a quite long time
05:07	<Zr40>	he says it crashes when starting a new game, not when starting openttd
05:07	<Alanin>	and the r9769 is working
05:07	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: good point ;)
05:08	<elmex>	hm, it crashes in code about roads
05:08	<Alanin>	hehe
05:08	<elmex>	http://www.ta-sa.org/files/txt/40b4c99ccba92e65390593c13886421b.txt <- the 'NOT_REACHED' thingie :)
05:08	<TrueBrain>	ah, niceone elmex
05:09	<Alanin>	its crashing when its creating town i think - happens too fast
05:09	<TrueBrain>	Alanin: wait for tonights nightly
05:09	<Alanin>	k
05:09	<Alanin>	thx
05:09	<DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: Commit by glx :: r9791 /trunk/src (openttd.h variables.h) (2007-05-05 23:21:49 UTC)
05:09	<DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: -Fix (r9779, FS#766): add TownLayoutByte to correctly save town layout value
05:09	<Zr40>	now only if my debugger worked... Can't really figure out what causes my patch to crash without :)
05:09	<elmex>	that road stuf could be this: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/txt/ba35a11b9ea54af82a6ce0b6fdc7cb4b.txt
05:10	<Alanin>	i could try to find out with which revision the crashes are happening
05:10	<TrueBrain>	Alanin / elmex: there was a PPC compatibility issue :)
05:10	<Alanin>	if this is could help
05:10	<elmex>	Alanin: which revisison is your nighty?
05:10	<TrueBrain>	Alanin: waste of time, 9791 fixes your problem. If tonights nightly fails too, then you can come back :)
05:11	<Alanin>	ok
05:11	<elmex>	heh
05:11	<Alanin>	the crashing or the working one?
05:11	<elmex>	the crashing
05:11	<Alanin>	crashing one is 9790
05:11	<valhallasw>	just one thing... what's the use of an assert(0)? (or an assert with a constant value)
05:11	<elmex>	ah :)
05:11	<elmex>	k
05:11	<TrueBrain>	valhallasw: to make sure code isn't reached
05:12	<valhallasw>	ah k
05:12	<TrueBrain>	valhallasw: take this example: we have a byte value that can be between, say 0 and N
05:12	<elmex>	valhallasw: to make sure that if the code is reached you get to know it and propably even a backtrace for debugging
05:12	<TrueBrain>	when it reaches N+1, you don't want the game to continue, as something went VERY wrong
05:12	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: but that's not an assert with a constant value :)
05:12	<TrueBrain>	so, for such cases we made NOT_REACHED(), which is an assert(false); exit(1);
05:12	<TrueBrain>	(to ensure program terminates, right there, right then)
05:13	<valhallasw>	then an assert(i>N) is better than a switch with default: NOT_REACHED()
05:13	<TrueBrain>	valhallasw: the first would be more clear, but code-wise much uglier
05:13	<valhallasw>	yes; true
05:13	<TrueBrain>	but I agree that assert output would be more clear
05:13	<TrueBrain>	sometimes though, if not often, it is that values 0, 1, 5 and 6 are handled
05:13	<TrueBrain>	and the rest triggers NOT_REACHED() :)
05:13	<valhallasw>	ah
05:14	<TrueBrain>	so, if you see an assert(0), look up the line :)
05:14	<TrueBrain>	(which I rarely do, as I am lazy :))
05:16	<valhallasw>	too bad an assert doesn't have a comment system
05:16	<valhallasw>	unless you want to use assert(false && "blah string")
05:16	<valhallasw>	which is ugly ^_^
05:17	<TrueBrain>	hahahahaha :)
05:17	<TrueBrain>	it in fact is a nice idea, to extend assert() with something like that :) But most OSes have built-in assert() support, so that is nasty :)
05:17	<TrueBrain>	hehe, then we make: ottd_assert(STR_ASSERT_XXX, ...)
05:17	<Zr40>	assert(false /* blah string */) ?
05:17	<TrueBrain>	and make those asserts translateable! YEAH!
05:18	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: comments are not needed, when you open the code, you almost immediatly know what is going on :)
05:18	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: we talk here about user-output :)
05:18	<valhallasw>	Zr40: doesn't get compiled
05:18	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: wouldn't the comment get output by the assert?
05:18	<TrueBrain>	macros :) Whoho!
05:18	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: no
05:18	<TrueBrain>	although
05:18	<Zr40>	then how does the assert line get copied?
05:18	<TrueBrain>	in theory it should :p
05:18	<valhallasw>	it doesn't
05:19	<valhallasw>	I just tested it :p
05:19	<TrueBrain>	haha :)
05:19	<TrueBrain>	there we have it :)
05:19	<TrueBrain>	but okay Zr40, it wasn't as bad as suggestion as I first thought :)
05:19	<valhallasw>	however, assert(false && STR_ASSERT_XXX) does work
05:19	<Maedhros>	aircraft_cmd.cpp: assert("OK, you shouldn't be here, check your Airport Scheme!" && 0); ;)
05:19	<TrueBrain>	valhallasw: it was a joke :)
05:19	<TrueBrain>	Maedhros: I am afraid that will be the kind of comments yes :p
05:19	<Maedhros>	no, that really exists :)
05:19	<TrueBrain>	"Something went very wrong!"
05:20	<TrueBrain>	Really?! :)
05:20	<TrueBrain>	hahahahahaha, sorry, but who ever did that should be bitch-slapped
05:20	<peter1138>	o_O
05:20	<peter1138>	darkvater :D
05:20	<valhallasw>	svn blame ftw
05:21	<TrueBrain>	lucky for him he is not around (that we know of :p)
05:21	<peter1138>	hmm
05:21	<peter1138>	maybe not, that's a general commit
05:21	<TrueBrain>	oh bah, my stomage needs food
05:22	<TrueBrain>	why do they?
05:22	<TrueBrain>	I think it is rather silly
05:22	<peter1138>	r71 :D
05:22	<peter1138>	i always find it's my stomache that needs food
05:23	<TrueBrain>	I have a hang-over, so please....
05:23	<Alanin>	lunchtime...
05:23	<TrueBrain>	and lunchtime it is!
05:24	<Alanin>	:)
05:24	<TrueBrain>	eggs!
05:24	<Alanin>	meat
05:26	<Zr40>	so... has anyone debugged OpenTTD on OSX? :)
05:27	<Rubidium>	Zr40: why?
05:27	<Zr40>	I'm trying to get Xcode working, but the project is horribly out of date
05:28	<Rubidium>	well, probably nobody uses it anymore; at least the OSX dev doesn't
05:29	<Rubidium>	I really wonder why we even have those Xcode files
05:29	<Zr40>	so I've created my own project (using 'external build system'), but that only allows me to build. Debugging doesn't show any frames in openttd
05:29	<Rubidium>	probably because it compiled without debugging data
05:29	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: I think we should remove xcode project file
05:29	<Zr40>	does it do that by default?
05:29	<Rubidium>	Zr40: by default it compiled without any debug information
05:30	<Rubidium>	*compiles
05:30	<Rubidium>	./configure --enable-debug=1, 2 or 3 enables it
05:31	<TrueBrain>	or just: --enable-debug
05:31	<TrueBrain>	:)
05:31	<Rubidium>	1 is with the same optimizations as without debugging support, 2 is without optimization but with inlining and 3 is without optimization and inlining
05:32	<Zr40>	how important is inlining (for speed) during debugging?
05:33	<Rubidium>	pretty important
05:33	<TrueBrain>	lvl1 debug gives enough to trace most common problems
05:33	<peter1138>	heh, newgrf scan takes ages without optimisation :D
05:34	<TrueBrain>	and we have you to blame peter1138 :p :p
05:34	<Zr40>	Rubidium: --enable-debug enables debugging. (Who'd guess that? :)) Thanks :)
05:34	<peter1138>	TrueBrain: yup
05:35	<peter1138>	TrueBrain: i think overall it's useful though ;)
05:36	<Rubidium>	TrueBrain: for you newgrf scanning must be fast ;)
05:36	<peter1138>	we should thread it so it can scan more than one at a time ;)
05:36	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: VERY fast :p
05:36	<peter1138>	sigh smiley overload
05:36	<TrueBrain>	peter1138: niceone ;)
05:37	<TrueBrain>	I demand a swtich: --nonewgrf! :)
05:37	<peter1138>	make one
05:37	<TrueBrain>	I REFUSE!
05:37	<TrueBrain>	oeh, eggs are ready :)
05:37	<Ammler>	TrueBrain: you can also name it -truebrainmode ;)
05:38	<peter1138>	ideally it would notice when you plonk files into the directory
05:38	<peter1138>	as it is you need to restart, or find the hidden rescan option
05:39	<TrueBrain>	is there one?! :)
05:39	<peter1138>	yea
05:39	<TrueBrain>	peter1138: on *nix you can watch the inodes :p
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05:40	<Rubidium>	peter1138: hidden in plain sight ofcourse
05:40	<peter1138>	yes, but can be a trek to get there
05:41	<TrueBrain>	so tell us how :)
05:41	<TrueBrain>	oh grand master
05:41	<TrueBrain>	tell us!
05:41	<TrueBrain>	TELL US!!
05:42	<Rubidium>	NewGRF Settings -> Add -> 'Hidden in plain sight'
05:43	<TrueBrain>	I never opened NewGRF Settings...
05:44	<TrueBrain>	impressive :)
05:44	<TrueBrain>	not only dominik can make good GUIs :p
05:46	<TrueBrain>	hmm... who of you devs remember dominik? :p
05:46	<Zr40>	Attaching files on bugs.openttd.org seems to be brokne
05:46	<Zr40>	http://bugs.openttd.org/task/104
05:46	<peter1138>	not me
05:47	<TrueBrain>	I think I am around a bit too long...
05:47	<TrueBrain>	"onkruid vergaat niet"
05:47	<TrueBrain>	Zr40: what is broken?
05:47	<Zr40>	'Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/details.php on line 1185'
05:47	<TrueBrain>	the tile is a bit werid
05:47	<TrueBrain>	but the link works
05:48	<Zr40>	then the viewer is :)
05:48	<TrueBrain>	so it aint broken
05:48	<TrueBrain>	just slightly odd
05:49	<TrueBrain>	there, better?
05:50	<Zr40>	yep :)
05:54	<Zr40>	any chance someone could take a look at that patch, by the way? :)
05:54	<TrueBrain>	I say there is a chance yes :p
05:56	<mikegrb>	http://thegrebs.com/irc/urls/openttd.html <-- t/hee
05:57	<mikegrb>	still need to make them clickable
05:57	<mikegrb>	someone in another channel requested rss feeds of such data
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06:00	<Zr40>	could you make those times UTC?
06:02	<valhallasw>	I wonder
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06:03	<TrueBrain>	Who ever wants to follow flyspray changes or SVN changes, feel free to join #openttd.notice
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06:03	<valhallasw>	Is there any reason why openttd cannot use lincity-ng graphics?
06:04	<valhallasw>	except they are probably in another format
06:04	<Patrick>	if the graphics are all under a suitably open license then it would be a good thing
06:05	<Patrick>	one step closer to a complete working distribution
06:05	<valhallasw>	lincity is GPL
06:05	<valhallasw>	afaik
06:05	<Patrick>	but does it use simcity graphics files?
06:05	<valhallasw>	nope
06:05	<Patrick>	cool, then
06:05	<valhallasw>	lincity-ng <-- new graphics ;)
06:05	<valhallasw>	http://lincity-ng.berlios.de/wiki/images/2/2f/Menus.png
06:06	<mikegrb>	Zr40: it is planned
06:06	<mikegrb>	Zr40: and/or specify time zone as ?tz=<blah>
06:06	<mikegrb>	maybe ?utc=true
06:07	<mikegrb>	should probably default to true
06:10	<Patrick>	a valiant effort, I guess
06:11	<Patrick>	graphics are the one thing it's hard to get for free
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06:19	<TrueBrain>	and now it is time for FreeCiv! :)
06:27	<Zr40>	TrueBrain: can I private message you for a moment?
06:27	<TrueBrain>	you are free to do any time
06:27	<peter1138>	whether he'll read it or not...
06:28	<Wolf01>	i was looking at the screenshots topic, a little question: why not separate the tracks from the terrain? is really ugly to see a think like this: http://www.tt-forums.net/files/scr353_556.png (the track with snow near the right waypoint)
06:45	<peter1138>	because 1) it's slower 2) we'd need to redraw all the track types to allow it
06:46	<peter1138>	and you'd probably end up with it not blending in well
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07:05	<Zr40>	what does this patch option do?
07:06	<Zr40>	"Autorenew when vehicle is X months before/after max age"
07:06	<Zr40>	if I enter 6, is it 6 months before or after its max age?
07:06	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	6 is before, -6 is after
07:07	<Zr40>	it would be more clear if '/after' would be removed from the string.
07:08	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i'd rather add (+) and (-) there
07:10	<Zr40>	of course, it's best if it could automatically switch between before, at and after
07:11	<valhallasw>	and the title is not correct I assume
07:11	<valhallasw>	it toggles the autoreplace for the vehicle, but it only gets replaced when it enters a depot I think?
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07:12	<Zr40>	no, the toggle is presented before this option
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08:41	<RAwRRR>	hi
08:42	<TrueBrain>	hi RAwRRR
08:42	<RAwRRR>	hi light
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08:42	<RAwRRR>	hi Ammler
08:43	<TrueBrain>	how's life?
08:43	<RAwRRR>	it's pretty rawrrry today
08:43	<TrueBrain>	that part was obvious :)
08:43	<RAwRRR>	but then again, that doesn't say anything
08:43	<Ammler>	RAwRRR: ?
08:43	<RAwRRR>	Ammler: ?
08:44	<RAwRRR>	cool our names are of the same lenght
08:44	<TrueBrain>	now this proofs to become a useful conversation
08:44	<RAwRRR>	length
08:44	<RAwRRR>	I know
08:44	<TrueBrain>	proofs = promise
08:44	<TrueBrain>	typing is hard
08:44	<RAwRRR>	I know
08:44	<Ammler>	is RAwRRR a bot?
08:44	<RAwRRR>	yeah i'm teh mircbot
08:45	<TrueBrain>	depends on your definition of the word of course :p
08:45	<RAwRRR>	I can play openttd too!
08:45	<RAwRRR>	was brain > light a type too?
08:45	<RAwRRR>	or does that depend on the definition of > ?
08:45	<TrueBrain>	doubtful
08:46	<RAwRRR>	TrueBrain, can you come to an openttd server?
08:46	<TrueBrain>	RAwRRR: doubtful, depnds on the reason
08:46	<RAwRRR>	for saying hi
08:46	<RAwRRR>	does that do it?
08:46	<TrueBrain>	I am doing freeciv, so nah
08:47	<RAwRRR>	what are freeciv? OpenCiv?
08:47	<TrueBrain>	only they called it freeciv
08:47	<RAwRRR>	found the wiki
08:47	<RAwRRR>	looks cute
08:47	<TrueBrain>	it is
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09:37	<fireball>	i got a question about 32bpp graphics and code branch. wiki says there are 2 svn repos for 32bpp branch, but in first is someting that looks like ordinary trunk and second one contains broken code (fails to compile). prior to this, i saw posts by some russian guy on tt-forums.net showing openttd with fancy hi res graphics ... so, question is, where is this stuff? where do i get code and data from?
09:38	<Rubidium>	fireball: were does it state that there are two repos for 32bpp?
09:38	<fireball>	Rubidium: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/32bpp here wiki does so
09:39	<+glx>	svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/32bpp <-- this is the current version
09:40	<Rubidium>	I fear that the djupfeldt.se repository is outdated beyond recognition
09:40	<Rubidium>	but that whole wiki page is outdated beyond recognition I think
09:41	<fireball>	glx: thx
09:41	<fireball>	Rubidium: i see
09:43	<+glx>	fireball: how does it fail to compile?
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09:45	<fireball>	glx: to prevent missunderstanding, the djupfeldt.se repository version failed to compile, but as Rubidium stated, it is outdated
09:46	<+glx>	ha ok you inverted first and second of the wiki :)
09:46	<fireball>	glx: oh, i did : )
09:49	<fireball>	glx: let me ask a dumb question, why does 32bpp version look same as normal trunk ?
09:49	<fireball>	glx: i mean, shouldn't i see at least some fancy graphix ?
09:49	<+glx>	because the codebase is the same, just the drawing routines are different
09:50	<+glx>	you need to add 32bpp grf to see a difference
09:51	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i think 32bpp had fancy transparency effect and better zoom handling
09:52	<+glx>	yes more zoom levels (very nice)
09:52	<fireball>	glx: oh, thanks for explaining, but ... but ... where are those 32bpp grf-s? i don't see a word on wiki
09:52	<Rubidium>	fireball: just look at the zoomed out version in 32bpp and compare that with normal trunk
09:53	<Rubidium>	there are not that many 32bpp grfs (or rather tars)
09:53	<Rubidium>	primarily because 32bpp isn't even finished yet
09:53	<+glx>	and most of them are weird things "done" by Sergej_S
09:55	<fireball>	glx: i saw weird russian work ... russian work always strange seems to me ... are there some other grfs-tars than russian ?
09:59	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9794 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: refactor the question whether a vehicle can be loaded into LoadUnloadVehicle instead of duplicating it for each vehicle.
10:01	<peter1138>	whee
10:01	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9795 /trunk/src/ (engine.h newgrf.cpp table/engines.h vehicle.cpp): -Codechange: enumify the EngineClass.
10:02	<peter1138>	i did the newcargo part of town growth challenge
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10:24	<RAwRRR>	servertokens 64.233.167.99
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10:43	<Thomas[NL]>	cd o*
10:43	<Thomas[NL]>	oops
10:44	<[PING]Marsman21>	cd /
10:44	<[PING]Marsman21>	rm -fr *
10:44	<[PING]Marsman21>	now, that is an ooooppsss =o)
10:44	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	"if you want to read mail really fast, type 'rm -rf /'"
10:45	<[PING]Marsman21>	lol
10:46	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	in case the user is intelligent enough to not be root, you can also replace / by ~
10:56	<Zr40>	rm -rf / won't make reading mail really fast
10:56	<Zr40>	rm -rf ~ will
10:56	<Zr40>	the first one makes it impossible :)
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11:04	[~]	fireball is away: sel jsem se nazrat, protoze jsem hladovy jak kdybych tyden nezral
11:05	<Alanin>	lol
11:05	<Alanin>	its abit mean...
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11:11	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	fireball: it's in your best interest to turn off that kind of messages
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11:12	<Patrick>	what is it roughly?
11:12	<Patrick>	obscene? inflammatory?
11:15	[~]	fireball is back
11:15	<fireball>	Eddi\|zuHause3: i am sorry ... i should write in english
11:15	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	that is the least of your problems :)
11:16	<fireball>	Eddi\|zuHause3: yep : ) but i was away just for some food
11:16	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yes, but we absolutely do not care
11:17	<Patrick>	oh, was it just an inane shitty "OOH I AM AWAY" spam
11:17	<Patrick>	normally I poke fun at people who get bothered by things that don't matter, and I know it doesn't really matter
11:17	<Patrick>	but it's ANNOYING
11:17	<Patrick>	and makes you look 12
11:18	<fireball>	Patrick: yes it is, sorry
11:18	<Patrick>	like all those people who think they're computer literate because they use the "silver" theme in XP
11:19	<fireball>	Patrick: actually, i don't use silver theme in ..., i use debian gnu/linux
11:19	<Tefad>	i use the "net stop themes" theme
11:19	<Patrick>	hehe
11:19	<Tefad>	when i use windows that is
11:19	<Tefad>	fluxbox is what i use for window decorations
11:20	<Tefad>	and DE? who needs one of those. luckily fluxbox provides a taskbar.
11:20	<[PING]Marsman21>	i like fluxbox as well, seriously thinking about dropping KDE and going fluxbox
11:21	<[PING]Marsman21>	i am going afk
11:21	<Patrick>	I only got round to installing an xserver to play openttd
11:22	<fireball>	i like KDE, it makes me unhappy to use fluxbox ... it's too plain
11:25	<Zuu>	Pha, wmii! :)
11:25	<Zuu>	wmii is like fluxbox but much more powerfull
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12:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: miham * r9796 /trunk/src/lang/ (21 files): (log message trimmed)
12:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-05-06 19:05:33
12:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 10 fixed by tucalipe (10)
12:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: bulgarian - 5 fixed by thetitan (5)
12:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: catalan - 9 fixed by arnaullv (9)
12:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: czech - 9 fixed by Hadez (9)
12:06	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: esperanto - 11 fixed by LaPingvino (11)
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12:08	<peter1138>	yay, action321 support for canals
12:08	<Rubidium>	?
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12:09	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	someone should come up with descriptive names for that stuff :)
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12:10	<peter1138>	http://fuzzle.org/o/canal321.diff
12:18	<Rubidium>	looks like a minimalistic implementation to me
12:18	<peter1138>	which bit?
12:18	<Rubidium>	random bits/triggers
12:18	<peter1138>	like cargos
12:19	<peter1138>	they don't exist
12:19	<Rubidium>	that explains
12:19	<Rubidium>	but then I'd suggest to add some comments about that
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12:28	<Sionide>	is a .patch file different to a .diff ?
12:28	<peter1138>	no
12:28	<Sionide>	ah good
12:28	<Sionide>	why not call it a .diff then -_-
12:28	<peter1138>	who knows...
12:29	<Sionide>	heh no worries
12:30	<hylje>	diff creates patches, patch uses diffs
12:30	<peter1138>	hello bjarni
12:32	<hylje>	hi peter1138
12:33	<@Bjarni>	hi peter1138
12:38	<ln->	it's the ...!
12:38	<hylje>	hello, the ...!
12:39	<@Bjarni>	hi the ...!
12:39	<@Bjarni>	(can't you get a name that's easier to remember?)
12:40	<hylje>	no, ...!
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12:52	<TrueBrain>	Bjarni: can you op DorpsGek?
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12:53	<TrueBrain>	@op
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13:14	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9797 /trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: [NewGRF] Add action 1, 2 and 3 support for canals.
13:16	<hylje>	zomg :o
13:16	<hylje>	oh, could we get channel mode c unset so CIA would have COLOURS?
13:16	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	are you insane?
13:17	<hylje>	yes!
13:17	<hylje>	COLOURS
13:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	don't answer that!
13:25	<ln->	CIA uses colors sparingly, it doesn't yell CIAO A TUTTI in green, white, red.
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13:29	<peter1138>	but others might
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13:33	<ln->	but that's what /kickban is for.
13:34	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	"vorbeugen ist besser als heilen"
13:38	<Alanin>	thats true
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13:40	<valhallasw>	color-exempt? grin
13:43	<Alanin>	btw: the crashing openttd on PPC OSX caused by the new road stuff seems to be fixed
13:43	<Alanin>	thx for that
13:44	<TrueBrain>	tnx Alanin, nice to know :)
13:44	<Alanin>	:)
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13:54	<@Bjarni>	[20:16:56][20:16:56] <Eddi\|zuHause3> are you insane?
13:54	<@Bjarni>	[20:17:04][20:17:04] <hylje> yes!
13:54	[~]	Bjarni adds that to his notebook
13:57	<peter1138>	he's awake
13:57	[~]	hylje notes the noting
13:57	<@Bjarni>	who is awake?
13:58	<peter1138>	you
13:59	<@Bjarni>	did you really think that I would be sleeping?
14:00	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	if he thought that, why would he say the opposite?
14:00	<@Bjarni>	right
14:00	<@Bjarni>	then let me ask another question
14:00	<@Bjarni>	why did you think that I would be sleeping?
14:01	<peter1138>	why not?
14:01	<peter1138>	here's a question for you
14:01	<peter1138>	xcode stuff
14:01	<peter1138>	remove it?
14:02	<@Bjarni>	I wondered about trying to make the project generate script update it, but there is a number that I have yet to figure out how to generate
14:03	<@Bjarni>	but on the other hand, I don't really use it anymore, so I wouldn't be hurt by removing it
14:03	<hylje>	magic numbars
14:04	<@Bjarni>	the question is if anybody else would be upset
14:04	<ln->	most importantly, the os x port is obsoleted by Windows Vista.
14:04	<@Bjarni>	o_O
14:04	<@Bjarni>	wtf are you talking about???
14:04	<TrueBrain>	Bjarni: it still uses *.c files, so that would be a big fat: no
14:05	<@Bjarni>	the Xcode project file is a special one. It is designed to use the makefile to make the filelist at runtime
14:05	<@Bjarni>	however it's not working as intended right now :(
14:06	<@Bjarni>	I think it broke when it was moved into a new dir. It would likely work if it's moved back into the root dir
14:06	<hylje>	no
14:07	<@Bjarni>	hmm
14:07	<@Bjarni>	then it's dead
14:08	<@Bjarni>	the question is if anybody will bother to fix it so we get a graphical debugger again
14:08	<@Bjarni>	I usually just use gdb anyway, so I can live without it
14:11	<@Bjarni>	<ln-> most importantly, the os x port is obsoleted by Windows Vista. <-- I still wonder wtf you meant by that. I fail to see what vista has to do with the OSX port
14:11	<ln->	heh
14:12	<Rubidium>	I'd rather say that Windows is obsoleted by OSX
14:13	<TrueBrain>	I'd rather say that Windows is obsolete
14:13	<TrueBrain>	(period)
14:14	<peter1138>	I'd rather have a beer
14:14	<TrueBrain>	He, that is a VERY good idea peter1138
14:14	<@Bjarni>	o_O
14:14	<@Bjarni>	you are British... you should go get some tea
14:14	<@Bjarni>	hmm
14:14	<@Bjarni>	tea
14:14	<@Bjarni>	brb
14:16	<Sacro>	:o RACIST
14:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	that's definitely a wrong categorisation
14:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	races are black/white/etc.
14:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	British/German/etc. are nations
14:18	<peter1138>	nationist!
14:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	so in the best case he's a NACIST (?)
14:18	<TrueBrain>	I am suprised by the intelligence of this channel...
14:18	[~]	Sacro locks up Bjarni in a lego stronghold
14:18	<+glx>	happens sometimes :)
14:19	<Sacro>	TrueBrain: how high, or how low?
14:19	<+glx>	wow Sacro remembered the country of Bjarni ;)
14:19	<Sacro>	or the wonderful sinusoidal pattern it follows
14:19	<Sacro>	glx: i right click on his name :p
14:19	<TrueBrain>	Sacro: I rather nog get into thatone
14:19	<Sacro>	he doesn't appear netherlandian nowadays
14:20	<Sacro>	TrueBrain: hehe, best not to
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14:23	<@Bjarni>	<glx> wow Sacro remembered the country of Bjarni ;) <--- not really. I don't actually live in Legoland
14:23	<@Bjarni>	:p
14:23	<Sacro>	Bjarni: we don't all sit and drink tea
14:23	<Rubidium>	and we all know legoland is in the UK
14:24	<@Bjarni>	I think there are 4 of them by now
14:24	<@Bjarni>	the original one is build in the backyard of the lego factory
14:24	[~]	Sacro reads up on denmark in the uncyclopedia
14:24	<@Bjarni>	this will be good
14:24	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i remember there being financial problems in legoland germany
14:25	<@Bjarni>	the last I heard was that Lego considers selling all the theme parks because they aren't good at making money on both parks and toys
14:25	<peter1138>	but legoland is cool
14:25	<TrueBrain>	never been there...
14:25	<peter1138>	though i only went to the real one
14:26	<davis___>	anyone know's what happened to brianettas server?
14:26	<valhallasw>	http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Cross_of_st_legolas.JPG <-- flag of denmark grin
14:26	<TrueBrain>	davis___: I eat it! MWHAHAHAHAHAHA
14:26	<@Bjarni>	there was a fatal accident in the original one less than a week ago
14:26	<davis___>	great
14:26	<davis___>	hm
14:26	<davis___>	ok
14:26	<davis___>	thx
14:26	<TrueBrain>	Bjarni: so we can remove xcode? (that was the conclusing, right?)
14:26	<hylje>	uncyclopedia is truth
14:26	<Sacro>	peter1138: the real one?
14:27	<@Bjarni>	some moron crossed a fenced and got hit in the head by a rollercoaster
14:27	<@Bjarni>	TrueBrain: I think so
14:27	<valhallasw>	that indeed is very stupid
14:27	<@Bjarni>	I don't think I will bother to fix it if just moving it isn't enough to fix it
14:27	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	"the real legoland" ... sounds like an oxymoron :)
14:27	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9798 /trunk/projects/openttd.xcode/: -Remove: removed the very outdated xcode project files
14:27	<peter1138>	Sacro: yes, in danishland
14:28	<Sacro>	ahhh nice
14:28	<peter1138>	hmm, 20 years ago ;p
14:28	<@Bjarni>	it wasn't that outdated. It didn't care for c/cpp files as it just used what the makefile told it to use
14:28	<Sacro>	The main exports of Denmark are Great Danes, plastic bricks, salted herring, plastic bricks, meatballs, bacon, butter cookies, plastic bricks, windmills, ceramic car bumpers, pastries, plastic bricks, Andersens, Christensens, Jensens, dodgy footballers, plastic bricks and expensive deadly alcohol.
14:29	<@Bjarni>	I don't actually think the export of Great Danes are that great
14:29	<valhallasw>	as to another topic I mentioned earlier today: Lincity-NG (which is a GPL'ed clone of simcity) has a lot of sprites which are 'new', and hence probably free
14:29	<valhallasw>	http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/lincity-2005-03-08.png <-- and they actually don't even look that bad
14:30	<peter1138>	looks shit, tbh
14:30	<TrueBrain>	fucking ugly
14:30	<Ailure>	hmm
14:30	<TrueBrain>	absolutely not in TT style...
14:30	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	hm, the screenshot ealier today did not look very good
14:30	<Ailure>	Hindenburg crashed for 70 years ago at this date
14:30	<@Bjarni>	so?
14:30	<TrueBrain>	Pim Fortuin was shot N years ago at this date
14:30	<TrueBrain>	:p
14:30	<valhallasw>	TrueBrain: 'not in TT style' could be said for a lot of the new graphics designed for openttd
14:30	<@Bjarni>	that, that was a really bad event :(
14:30	<peter1138>	crashed for 70 years?
14:31	<TrueBrain>	lol @ peter1138
14:31	<Ailure>	yes
14:31	<@Bjarni>	:D
14:31	<TrueBrain>	valhallasw: no, you can not
14:31	<peter1138>	valhallasw: those graphics aren't even consistent
14:31	<Ailure>	hindenburg been a menace against all small airports over the world
14:31	<peter1138>	what's with all the different greens... heh
14:31	<peter1138>	ah well :)
14:31	<Ailure>	in the last 70 years
14:31	<peter1138>	reminds me of simutrans...
14:31	<valhallasw>	peter1138: different greens are a minor problem
14:32	<peter1138>	Hindenburg crashed 70 years ago on this day
14:32	<valhallasw>	as changing a color is not slightly as much work as creating an entire house
14:32	<peter1138>	sure
14:32	<@Bjarni>	painting a house is a lot of work
14:32	<TrueBrain>	valhallasw: also, this is not 8bpp :)
14:33	<@Bjarni>	you need ladders and stuff
14:33	<@Bjarni>	and a whole lot of paint
14:33	<@Bjarni>	:p
14:33	[~]	Sacro ponders as to the accuracy of these translations
14:33	<valhallasw>	TrueBrain: correct. Was the plan to first create free 8bpp images and only move to 24bpp images later?
14:33	<@Bjarni>	I think we move to 32 bit first
14:34	<TrueBrain>	valhallasw: you talk about replacing the TTD-grfs; for that you need 8bpp images :)
14:34	<valhallasw>	TrueBrain: I was not
14:34	<TrueBrain>	for 32bpp I think there are enough basic images by now, so no need to use those.... lincity-style images :p
14:34	<valhallasw>	okay.
14:34	<TrueBrain>	okay okay, it is more something you just shouldn't be doing
14:35	<TrueBrain>	say, someone plays Lincity
14:35	<TrueBrain>	then downloads OpenTTD
14:35	<TrueBrain>	and sees the same
14:35	<TrueBrain>	brrr
14:36	<@Bjarni>	that would be... interesting
14:36	<@Bjarni>	then people might forget what game they play
14:37	<Ailure>	ugh
14:37	<Ailure>	lincity
14:37	<Ailure>	worst graphics I seen in a isometric game ever
14:37	<Ailure>	I mean, the lincity-ng version
14:37	<Ailure>	not the orginal version
14:38	<Ailure>	Some buildings didn't make me think on apartments
14:38	<Ailure>	they made me think on two cubes sitting next to each other
14:39	<Ailure>	Thankfully, most 32 bit graphics I seen aren't as bland though for openTTD. :)
14:40	<Ailure>	Lincity is weird too
14:40	<Ailure>	everything is a resource
14:41	<@Bjarni>	so it's like in the real world?
14:41	<Ailure>	true, but not in the way the game does it
14:41	<@Bjarni>	heh
14:41	<Ailure>	workforce is produced at homes I belive and is consumed by industries
14:41	<Ailure>	xD
14:41	<Ailure>	it's like people give constantyly birth to people
14:42	<@Bjarni>	that is a very socialistic way of thinking. The capitalists at the industries consumes the workers
14:42	<Ailure>	lol
14:42	<Ailure>	but that's how lincity works
14:42	<Ailure>	and the traffic model is bad
14:43	<valhallasw>	for a traffic model you should probably use mobility
14:43	<valhallasw>	and not simcity/lincity/etc ;)
14:43	<Ailure>	well
14:43	<Ailure>	The best traffic model I seen
14:44	<Ailure>	is actually from Simcity4
14:44	<Ailure>	It's bit nerfed by default though as it's CPU consuming
14:44	<CIA-1>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9799 /trunk/src/ (engine.h newgrf.cpp table/engines.h vehicle.cpp): -Codechange: separate engine class and engine running cost class (mart3p).
14:44	<Ailure>	but some modding tools fixes that ;)
14:44	<hylje>	obviously enough
14:45	<hylje>	who gets the 00-c mmit?o
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