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| 01:58 | <elmex> | re |
| 01:58 | <elmex> | Eddi|zuHause2: did you see my last try at the bridge? |
| 01:58 | <elmex> | err.. junction |
| 02:04 | <elmex> | and could someone tell me why the layout in the wiki is completly broken? |
| 02:05 | <elmex> | http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_brokenlayoutwiki.png |
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| 02:08 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9775 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: Remove arbitrary limit on length of NewGRF strings. |
| 02:10 | <peter1138> | it's not broken, it's... advanced |
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| 02:13 | <elmex> | lol?? |
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| 02:22 | <elmex> | somehow building bridges on diagonals doesn't look very realistic ;-/ |
| 02:22 | <elmex> | http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction8.png |
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| 02:26 | <elmex> | i don't like that junction, it makes trains that go right fast and trains that go straight slow |
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| 02:41 | <Wolf01> | hello |
| 02:41 | <Patrick> | well, tune your junctions for which way is the most importan |
| 02:41 | <Patrick> | and it's a junction, so the main line will get periodically interrupted anyway |
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| 03:00 | <peter1138> | pompiedom |
| 03:01 | <Rubidium> | lalala |
| 03:01 | <peter1138> | i was looking back through pre-r1000 newgrf stuff |
| 03:02 | <peter1138> | it's... funny |
| 03:02 | <peter1138> | blatantly trying to get a couple of sets working rather than following the spec... |
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| 03:22 | <Ashley> | I give up, there seems to be something wrong with the grfs in the openttcoop grf pack. I've downloaded and installed them but I'm still getting four grf mismatches, any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 03:22 | <Ammller> | Ashley: for what are you using this pack? |
| 03:23 | <peter1138> | it worked for me |
| 03:23 | <Ashley> | Trying to join the Sandbox server |
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| 03:23 | <peter1138> | did you restart ottd after installing them? |
| 03:24 | <Ashley> | Several times, the same four keep complaining |
| 03:25 | <Ammller> | I can't believe, that its still possible to join with wrong grf's. |
| 03:27 | <Ammller> | Ashley: when did you download the pack? |
| 03:27 | <Ashley> | About half an hour ago |
| 03:28 | <Ammller> | from here: http://openttdcoop.ammler.ch ? |
| 03:28 | <Ashley> | Yes |
| 03:28 | <Ashley> | Perhaps I downloaded the wrong one? |
| 03:29 | <Ammller> | there is no wrong one, not that I know of |
| 03:29 | <Ammller> | which one did you take |
| 03:30 | <Ashley> | Hmm, we may be on to something here. The first one ending in .exe |
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| 03:31 | <Ammller> | btw, join #openttdcoop |
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| 03:45 | <elmex> | hm |
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| 03:47 | <elmex> | peter1138: hm, are you a main developer? |
| 03:48 | <TrueBrain> | elmex: you do know there is a very pretty website which defines who is what inside OpenTTD developers blabla |
| 03:48 | <TrueBrain> | ? |
| 03:48 | <elmex> | nope |
| 03:48 | <TrueBrain> | try www.openttd.org |
| 03:48 | <TrueBrain> | you might like it |
| 03:49 | <elmex> | i know that website, but does that contain a mapping of irc-nicks to developers? |
| 03:49 | <TrueBrain> | if you just would have looked around.... |
| 03:50 | <peter1138> | why bother looking when you can ask :) |
| 03:50 | <elmex> | TrueBrain: i'm sorry, i've never looked in the 'Contact' section |
| 03:50 | <TrueBrain> | peter1138: in that case, I have many questions for you..... :p |
| 03:50 | <TrueBrain> | elmex: :) |
| 03:50 | <peter1138> | by some rare coincidence, i do happen to be the same peter1138 as listed in the credits... |
| 03:50 | <elmex> | ah :-) |
| 03:50 | <peter1138> | TrueBrain: the answer is yes, no, and maybe. |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | yes, you do own me money, no, you are not giving it back, and maybe you want to die for it |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | hmm |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | okay :p |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | own = owe |
| 03:51 | <peter1138> | no, i own your money |
| 03:51 | <peter1138> | mwahaha |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | :'( |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | See, there things go wrong |
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| 03:57 | <elmex> | uh, extending the gui isn't a trivial task |
| 03:58 | <elmex> | i would love to implement a 'estimated income' thingie in the train detail |
| 03:58 | <elmex> | s |
| 04:01 | <elmex> | i guess i will do it when i have more concentration ;/ |
| 04:02 | <TrueBrain> | I doubt you can make an estimated income value that is ever reached for real |
| 04:02 | <elmex> | yes, but it is still useful imo |
| 04:03 | <TrueBrain> | and then I mean that I doubt it will be even near the value estimated :) |
| 04:04 | <elmex> | well, i think more of a 'estimated income at next stop' thingie |
| 04:04 | <TrueBrain> | without breakdowns, you can estimate that, sort of |
| 04:04 | <elmex> | yes |
| 04:05 | <elmex> | its woudl just be an estimation of course after all :-) |
| 04:06 | <Rubidium> | elmex: the estimated income thingy is useless, because you really cannot estimate at the moment you leave |
| 04:06 | <elmex> | estimation is always possible |
| 04:06 | <elmex> | even the constant 0 would be an estimation :-) |
| 04:06 | <TrueBrain> | let's talk about an estimate that is no more wrong then 3% of the real value |
| 04:06 | <Rubidium> | that is an useless estimation |
| 04:07 | <Rubidium> | (about elmex' 0) |
| 04:07 | <elmex> | yes |
| 04:08 | <elmex> | but an estimation that becomes better as the vehicle gets nearer to the station would be possible |
| 04:08 | <elmex> | or ok. lets not call it estimated income but 'cargo value' |
| 04:09 | <elmex> | you could calc the current theoretical income with the distance you have from the station of the cargo and the current time |
| 04:09 | <Rubidium> | elmex: the only thing you can do is give the cargo value at the travelled distance/time since departure. No more, no less, because all other estimates are going to be totally crap |
| 04:09 | <elmex> | yes |
| 04:09 | <elmex> | ok |
| 04:10 | <Rubidium> | ofcourse for transfered cargo that's going to be pretty tricky |
| 04:11 | <elmex> | why? |
| 04:12 | <Rubidium> | because you need to calculate multiple travelled distance/times and apply some math to get the correct cargo value |
| 04:13 | <elmex> | hmm |
| 04:13 | <elmex> | damn, i've too few time ;-/ |
| 04:15 | <elmex> | i just would love to have more help with finding out how much of the income of a train is decimated by the time |
| 04:16 | <TrueBrain> | I can understand that you do, it is just a bit tricky in current model :) |
| 04:17 | <elmex> | :) |
| 04:19 | <elmex> | hm, the fixed pixel guil layout sometimes breaks with translation in german |
| 04:19 | <elmex> | s/guil/gui/ |
| 04:20 | <elmex> | lol, i've just found this on a server: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_headquarter_train.png |
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| 04:25 | <elmex> | hm it's really painful when you build a network all day and then you have to leave the server |
| 04:25 | <elmex> | at least it's possible to do a savegame |
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| 05:05 | <waroffice> | lo |
| 05:05 | <waroffice> | im stuck with developing |
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| 05:08 | <Patrick> | give us time |
| 05:11 | <elmex> | :) |
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| 05:25 | <elmex> | this heightmap thingie is really scary: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_heightmap.png :-) |
| 05:26 | <Rubidium> | ;) |
| 05:27 | <Rubidium> | I'd bulldoze your head, so you get rid of the water ;) |
| 05:30 | <Patrick> | hahaha, that's hilarious |
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| 05:36 | <elmex> | hm |
| 05:37 | <elmex> | i would love a heightmap of germany, so one could do a scenario for it ;/ |
| 05:44 | <Patrick> | yes, freight trains full of passengers in germany |
| 05:44 | <Patrick> | because that always ends well |
| 05:45 | <peter1138> | who what? |
| 05:46 | <Patrick> | design a custom industry to turn passengers into luggage and gold teeth |
| 05:50 | <elmex> | ? |
| 05:50 | <elmex> | lol |
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| 06:06 | <Osai^zZz> | hi all |
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| 06:26 | <elmex> | i geuss this would be another possibility with a 4 way junction: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction10.png |
| 06:26 | <elmex> | onfortunately one line is slowed down by a long bridge where the other is slowed down by bridge+tunnel |
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| 06:27 | <Progman> | this junction looks cool anyway ;) |
| 06:28 | <elmex> | i havent tested it yet |
| 06:28 | <elmex> | but it doesn't consume much space |
| 06:28 | <elmex> | and isn't that hard to build i guess |
| 06:29 | <elmex> | compare it to: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction8.png |
| 06:29 | <elmex> | that one is more symmetric, which means: each line has the same slowdown |
| 06:30 | <elmex> | the junction8 als has no 90degree turns |
| 06:30 | <elmex> | (the junction10 could be extended to prevent 90 degree turns of course) |
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| 06:34 | <neli> | elmex: but it has no signalling |
| 06:35 | <elmex> | i guess the signalling can be added in an actual application :) |
| 06:35 | <neli> | but there are splits+bridges |
| 06:35 | <neli> | that do not allow signal after split |
| 06:36 | <elmex> | you mean at the end of the yellow ones? |
| 06:37 | <elmex> | ah |
| 06:41 | <elmex> | neli: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction8_2.png - i guesss this one should do |
| 06:42 | <Patrick> | wherever possible, you should land the longer bridges, put signals there, then do another bridge |
| 06:42 | <Patrick> | the junction gets bigger but throughput goes up |
| 06:42 | <elmex> | yes, thats right |
| 06:43 | <neli> | elmex: ah I see the bridges were too long anyway |
| 06:43 | <elmex> | neli: yea |
| 06:43 | <elmex> | Patrick: in the end it all depends on the space you have |
| 06:43 | <neli> | elmex: wait, you're missing a signal on the topright gray bridge |
| 06:44 | <elmex> | neli: oh, damn, i knew it :) |
| 06:44 | <elmex> | well |
| 06:45 | <neli> | it has space for it though |
| 06:45 | <Patrick> | http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/junction.png |
| 06:45 | <elmex> | a cloverleaf would be smaller |
| 06:45 | <Patrick> | that's what I came up with |
| 06:45 | <Patrick> | the template, so it's got no signals |
| 06:46 | <elmex> | yep |
| 06:46 | <Patrick> | join up the middle with bridges whichever way you want |
| 06:46 | <elmex> | it even fits into the same space |
| 06:46 | <Patrick> | grow it bigger if you want 10-car trains to turn fast with realistic acceleration |
| 06:46 | <Patrick> | remember, 7 angled bits for 8-car, 9 angled bits for 10-car |
| 06:47 | <Patrick> | the distance tool gets it right |
| 06:47 | <elmex> | distnace tool? |
| 06:47 | <Patrick> | some option shows you the distance on every drag-drop rail laying |
| 06:47 | <elmex> | ah |
| 06:48 | <Patrick> | see also http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/tjunction.png |
| 06:48 | <Patrick> | for a three-way |
| 06:48 | <Patrick> | I also have designs where some of the branches are at angles |
| 06:48 | <elmex> | ah, yes |
| 06:49 | <elmex> | damn, why didn't i come up with http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/junction.png ;-/ |
| 06:49 | <elmex> | it's way more simple |
| 06:49 | <peter1138> | but... the middle! |
| 06:49 | <Patrick> | like I said, hook it up how you want |
| 06:49 | <elmex> | the middle needs bridges :) |
| 06:49 | <Patrick> | that was one I just played with |
| 06:49 | <Patrick> | bridge it whichever way has less traffic |
| 06:49 | <Patrick> | although technically that doesn't matter |
| 06:50 | <Patrick> | the best junction, ideally, is one where you can specify one route that's high-capacity and that one doesn't get its signal spacing interrupted |
| 06:50 | <peter1138> | or use cheating tunnels, heh |
| 06:50 | <Patrick> | and in this respect I've failed |
| 06:50 | <elmex> | well, i've failed too :) |
| 06:50 | <neli> | Patrick: how to go from bottom to right ? |
| 06:51 | <Patrick> | which junction? |
| 06:51 | <Patrick> | it should work |
| 06:52 | <Patrick> | there are hardly any signals, sorry |
| 06:52 | <Patrick> | I do left-hand drive but that won't make a difference |
| 06:53 | <peter1138> | hmm, i still need to fix that up/down bug |
| 06:53 | <Patrick> | --> le shop |
| 06:56 | <RobertGrammig> | the calculation of passenger or good value is done based on the closest distance of one station complex to the other one, right? |
| 06:57 | <elmex> | it's the manhattan distance between the stations, yes |
| 06:57 | <Patrick> | but where is the station position taken from |
| 06:57 | <elmex> | Patrick: well, http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/junction.png could be build with tunnels too |
| 06:57 | <Patrick> | I always thought it was the position of the station's sign |
| 06:57 | <Patrick> | elmex: ugly though |
| 06:57 | <Patrick> | and take up too much space unlessyou use build on slope |
| 06:57 | <Patrick> | and slop building is ugly so I turn it off |
| 06:58 | <antichaos> | Patrick I think it is from the tile you clicked on when you placed the station |
| 06:58 | <Patrick> | yes. |
| 06:58 | <elmex> | Patrick: oh, ok, it's on per default, so i take it as granted :) |
| 06:58 | <Patrick> | and then you can "ladder" the station around |
| 06:58 | <RobertGrammig> | manhattan distance? |
| 06:59 | <Patrick> | X + y |
| 06:59 | <Patrick> | not pythagorean distance, (x**2 + y**2) ** 0.5 |
| 06:59 | <Patrick> | means that diagonal runs are root2 more profitable |
| 06:59 | <RobertGrammig> | ok I see that is fai |
| 06:59 | <elmex> | :) |
| 06:59 | <RobertGrammig> | fair |
| 06:59 | <Patrick> | it's not, it's exploitable :/ |
| 06:59 | <Patrick> | anyway |
| 07:00 | <RobertGrammig> | Its a bit stupid that you dont take the nearest station tiles though |
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| 07:01 | <RobertGrammig> | that way you can really easily shorten the actual track the train has to run |
| 07:01 | <antichaos> | That would take alot of extra time to calculate |
| 07:05 | <RobertGrammig> | but wouldnt it be possible to make the payoff propotional to the distance between the place where the train did unload the goods and the station tile that is used to calculate the distance? |
| 07:06 | <RobertGrammig> | and you should be able to set the relevant tile as well, of course |
| 07:07 | <RobertGrammig> | for example payoff will be decreased by 5% for each tile that the arrival tile of the train is away from the central tile of the station complex |
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| 07:09 | <elmex> | ?? |
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| 07:13 | <RobertGrammig> | I can found, for example, a station A and a station B with both being 50 X tiles and 10 Y tiles apart. Now I build additional station blocks to reduce the actual track distance the train has to cover is 48 X tiles and 0 Y tiles, but I still get the 50+10= 60 tile difference payout, right? |
| 07:17 | <elmex> | hm, will the copy/paste patch ever get into openttd? |
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| 08:01 | <@Belugas> | hello |
| 08:01 | <Wolf01> | hi |
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| 09:11 | <Touqen> | Give me your soul! |
| 09:11 | <Touqen> | cough... |
| 09:13 | <hylje> | no |
| 09:13 | <@Belugas> | only my wife and my boss give me orders |
| 09:13 | <@Belugas> | so, no |
| 09:14 | <Touqen> | Darn... |
| 09:14 | [~] | Touqen will try again in a week |
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| 09:19 | <Touqen> | So...How's PBS coming along? |
| 09:21 | <@Belugas> | nowhere |
| 09:21 | <@Belugas> | or so i think, |
| 09:21 | <@Belugas> | unless someone is working on it secretly |
| 09:21 | <Touqen> | Boo. |
| 09:22 | <peter1138> | y7eah |
| 09:22 | <Touqen> | I know that it was to be implemented on YAPF and YAPF seems to have gotten quite far since the last forum post regarding PBS. |
| 09:27 | <peter1138> | but not pbs though |
| 09:47 | <Touqen> | hmmm... |
| 09:56 | <RobertGrammig> | does my reputation in a town have an impact on the number of passengers I get? |
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| 10:08 | <Sionide> | RobertGrammig, no.. only on the councils leaniency in letting you build round their town |
| 10:08 | <Sionide> | RobertGrammig, if you want more passengers, fund an advertising campaign (by clicking the name of the town) |
| 10:22 | <Cipri> | Is there any newGRF that contains bridges the Cimaera can take at full speed(643kph)? Max tube bridge has a 611kph speed limit. |
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| 10:57 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truelight * r9776 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AITileListSlope as valuator to see if tiles are flat or not |
| 10:58 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truelight * r9777 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: renamed AITileListFlat to AITileListSlope and returnt he slope value |
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| 11:02 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truelight * r9778 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix r9776: forgot to update regression output (tnx glx) |
| 11:03 | <SpComb> | but did you remember to submit a regression test for this omission? |
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| 11:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: belugas * r9779 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: -Feature: Add the possiblity to choose different road patterns for towns to use. |
| 11:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: Possible patterns are : |
| 11:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: No Road (not available in scenario editor) |
| 11:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: Original (for the nostalgics) |
| 11:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: Better Roads (same as original, but based on distance of 2 tiles instead of one) |
| 11:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: 2x2 grids |
| 11:29 | <hylje> | what about 2-tile-wide town roads? |
| 11:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | go code them? :) |
| 11:29 | <hylje> | wut no |
| 11:29 | <hylje> | maybe someday |
| 11:30 | <peter1138> | woo :D |
| 11:30 | <hylje> | 2-wide roads could make big towns seem really big |
| 11:30 | <peter1138> | 2-wide roads are a job for the scenario editor, and SAC :D |
| 11:30 | <hylje> | sac=? |
| 11:30 | <peter1138> | SAC! |
| 11:30 | <hylje> | omg sac |
| 11:34 | <hylje> | hm |
| 11:34 | <hylje> | does SDL get massive boost from architecture optimization? |
| 11:34 | <hylje> | on my gentoo install ottd was snappy and all, on ubuntu it seems just sluggish |
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| 11:38 | <@Belugas> | mmmh |
| 11:38 | <@Belugas> | following : |
| 11:39 | <@Belugas> | 3x3 grids |
| 11:39 | <@Belugas> | Patch by skiddl13 |
| 11:39 | <hylje> | :D |
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| 11:41 | <antichaos> | Belugas I've got the shared delivery patch ready. |
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| 11:42 | <@Belugas> | nice :) |
| 11:42 | <@Belugas> | send it, please |
| 11:45 | <antichaos> | just putting some details in an email |
| 11:50 | <hylje> | r we getting patches to trunk? |
| 11:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no, patches never ever go to trunk |
| 11:53 | <hylje> | thats why i'm most astonished |
| 11:54 | <@Belugas> | we've been paid |
| 11:55 | <@Belugas> | antichaos: got it, thanks |
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| 12:03 | <@Belugas> | antichaos, function comment starts with /** and should end with <NEWLINE><SPACE>*/ |
| 12:03 | <@Belugas> | just starting reading... |
| 12:04 | <@Belugas> | on the second line of a if (), add another indent |
| 12:04 | <@Belugas> | very nice and descriptive comments :) |
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| 12:11 | <@Belugas> | antichaos: looks pretty nice |
| 12:11 | <antichaos> | where's the bad if? |
| 12:11 | <@Belugas> | on ShareGoodsToIndustry |
| 12:12 | <@Belugas> | so, ind->accepts_cargo[1] = +1 tab |
| 12:12 | <@Belugas> | same for 2 |
| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | and "total_tiles += (*iter)..." + -1 tab |
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| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | and "total_tiles += (*iter)..." = -1 tab |
| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | sorry |
| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | same for iter++ |
| 12:13 | <antichaos> | ah ok |
| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | code style, really... |
| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | i need to check it at home tonigh, for the rest |
| 12:15 | <@Belugas> | are you sure "te->params_2 = GetDParam(4);" is a bug, by the way? |
| 12:16 | <@Belugas> | waht's the implications? |
| 12:16 | <@Belugas> | if ever it gets called? |
| 12:16 | <antichaos> | GetDparam(4) could be junk |
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| 12:17 | <antichaos> | since they aren't cleared after use. |
| 12:18 | <antichaos> | obviously you could work around it by calling SetDParam(4) for your second argument |
| 12:18 | <@Belugas> | ok |
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| 12:21 | <@Belugas> | about the DeliverGoodsToIndustry, since it is standard behaviour, i think it should still be available, |
| 12:21 | <@Belugas> | but this is open to discussion |
| 12:22 | <antichaos> | I'll put in a setting to switch between them, then we can compare performance and behaviour. |
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| 12:25 | <@Belugas> | indeed |
| 12:25 | <@Belugas> | but for now, let's just resume work@work |
| 12:25 | <@Belugas> | and thanks again |
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| 12:45 | <peter1138> | hmm, yes |
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| 13:38 | <dihedral> | hello there |
| 13:38 | <TrueBrain> | hi dihedral |
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| 13:58 | <peter1138> | well i never |
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| 14:24 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9780 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: [NewGRF] Add support for variable vehicle weight for trains (callback 36, property 16) |
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| 14:28 | <Ammler> | peter1138: did you fix the grf problem? |
| 14:28 | <peter1138> | not yet |
| 14:28 | <Ammler> | ok, thx anyway :) |
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| 14:55 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truelight * r9781 /branches/noai/ (10 files in 4 dirs): |
| 14:55 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AIVehicleListProfit[This|Last]Year as valuator |
| 14:55 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AIVehicleList(Max)Age(Left) (3 functions) valuators |
| 14:55 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AIVehicleList and some valuators |
| 14:55 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added regression test for AIVehicleList |
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| 15:11 | <Wolf01> | how much far is the development for noai? |
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| 15:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i doubt it is anywhere close to finished... |
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| 15:27 | <TrueBrain> | http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/blog/?p=7 <- Wolf01: I just wrote a piece about it |
| 15:28 | <Wolf01> | yeah, now stations, tomorrow the world! |
| 15:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | only together with TruePinky :) |
| 15:36 | <TrueBrain> | Eddi|zuHause: I am still wondering when someone nicks itself like that :) |
| 15:36 | <TrueBrain> | "What are we going to do today Brain?" |
| 15:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i was actually wondering if i should, but i am too much of a brain myself to pose as pinky ;) |
| 15:40 | <TrueBrain> | I love 'git' :) |
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| 15:47 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm, is that a word i should recognise? |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | if you do 'svn' and 'cvs', yes |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | if you do 'linux kernel development', yes |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | if you do 'wine development', yes |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | if you do 'vlc development', yes |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | :p |
| 15:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i rarely do any of that :) |
| 15:50 | <Wolf01> | that's all folks, for today, night |
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| 16:10 | <Zuu> | I've made a scenario in the scenario editor to ensure the map is good. Then when I start a dedicated server with it using the -g flag an "unnamed" company is created. Is this a feature or a bug? |
| 16:11 | <+glx> | -D -g or -g -D ? |
| 16:11 | <Zuu> | -D -g |
| 16:12 | <Zuu> | So it should be in reverse order? |
| 16:12 | <Zuu> | Tried -g -D, same problem. |
| 16:13 | <TrueBrain> | and '-g' without a map behind it? |
| 16:13 | <TrueBrain> | (so just: ./openttd -D -g) |
| 16:13 | <Zuu> | I have a map behind -g, but I'll try w/o. |
| 16:13 | <TrueBrain> | why I ask: the bug can be in two places, this rules out one :) |
| 16:14 | <Zuu> | -g -D or -D -g without a map gives no unnamed company. |
| 16:15 | <TrueBrain> | so the problem is when loading the scenario :) Most likely it isn't dedicated-server aware :) |
| 16:15 | <TrueBrain> | make a bug report :) |
| 16:15 | <Zuu> | Shall I upload my openttd.cfg + scenario? |
| 16:15 | <Zuu> | Okay, bugreport will be :) |
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| 16:18 | <Zuu> | hmm, happens on default openttd.cfg.. but no worry, there will be a bugreport soon :) |
| 16:26 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truelight * r9782 /branches/noai/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: add information functions to AIVehicle, like the valuators of AIVehicleList |
| 16:29 | <Zuu> | http://bugs.openttd.org/task/765 |
| 16:29 | <TrueBrain> | Zuu: I already noticed ;) |
| 16:29 | <Zuu> | TrueBrain: Hehe :) |
| 16:29 | <TrueBrain> | [23:29][23:29] <_42_> Flyspray: [FS#765] New Bug Report (sev: Low, prio: Normal): 'Unnamed company when starting dedicated server...', by Leif Linse - http://bugs.openttd.org/task/765 |
| 16:29 | <TrueBrain> | :) |
| 16:30 | <Zuu> | Is that from the top secret dev-channel? :p |
| 16:31 | <TrueBrain> | haha, top secret it is not, but it is on a side-channel yes, as we don't want to spam that information in here (yet) |
| 16:32 | <Zuu> | Well, the channel name is not sateted anywere I've been looking at least. But probably it is just to guess some names :) |
| 16:33 | <+glx> | Zuu: you can use your irc client to find it ;) |
| 16:33 | <TrueBrain> | you won't 'guess' it, but there is also no need to be there :p Most people who have been there, run away VERY fast :) |
| 16:33 | <TrueBrain> | all except XeryusTC, but oh well "onkruid vergaat niet" :p :p :p |
| 16:33 | [~] | TrueBrain pets XeryusTC |
| 16:34 | <XeryusTC> | huh? |
| 16:34 | <TrueBrain> | hahahahaha :) |
| 16:34 | [~] | XeryusTC slaps TrueBrain with -18°C |
| 16:34 | <TrueBrain> | I went to the beach today :) |
| 16:34 | <TrueBrain> | it was cold, but fun :) |
| 16:34 | <XeryusTC> | i got "ingewerkt" in the freezer today :P |
| 16:34 | <XeryusTC> | and i was sweating like a pig |
| 16:34 | <TrueBrain> | lol :) |
| 16:35 | <XeryusTC> | and that was with my jacket open |
| 16:37 | [~] | Zuu was on a lecture about traffic modeling yesterday |
| 16:37 | <XeryusTC> | i need to do some work on my AI once again |
| 16:37 | <XeryusTC> | but then, i also need to do homework :P |
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| 16:37 | <Zuu> | I reread the list of API-classes and it have grown a bit since last. :) |
| 16:38 | <XeryusTC> | yeah |
| 16:38 | <TrueBrain> | slowly, it is :) |
| 16:38 | <XeryusTC> | well, it's time to use the TileList :P |
| 16:38 | <XeryusTC> | so i can reincarnate my old AI somewhat |
| 16:38 | <TrueBrain> | http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=noai/.git;a=blob;f=bin/ai/tb/main.nut;h=84b1fcab3a5dfa7d1fdaf23c386dda725f2bd1e8;hb=tb |
| 16:38 | <TrueBrain> | my attempt so far :) |
| 16:38 | <XeryusTC> | which was even more stupid than the default TT ai i must say |
| 16:38 | <Zuu> | TrueBrain: Have you concidered to add some way to populate a TileList with tiles from a town? |
| 16:39 | <TrueBrain> | Zuu: what exactly do you mean? |
| 16:39 | <XeryusTC> | it isnt possible to populate a TL? |
| 16:39 | <Zuu> | As it is now you can only get the town centre and guess the town radius to calculate a rectangle that you then add. |
| 16:40 | <Zuu> | right? |
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| 16:40 | <TrueBrain> | town radius is always guessing |
| 16:40 | <XeryusTC> | TrueBrain: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31789 |
| 16:40 | <TrueBrain> | you want to get all the tiles the town own or something? |
| 16:40 | <Zuu> | With buildings or town road on. |
| 16:40 | <TrueBrain> | http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=noai/.git;a=blob;f=bin/ai/tb/main.nut;hb=tb <- ha, even better :) |
| 16:41 | <TrueBrain> | Zuu: town radius isn't predefined, so that is almost impossible |
| 16:41 | <TrueBrain> | scanning the whole map is too expensive |
| 16:41 | <Zuu> | Well, I will probably not use it in close future, so don't implement it because I said it now. :) |
| 16:42 | <TrueBrain> | Zuu: such functions should be called with great care, so I rather not add them at all :p |
| 16:42 | <Zuu> | :) |
| 16:42 | <TrueBrain> | I just made a 14x14 rectangle around city-core |
| 16:42 | <Zuu> | Just though that it is something that many AIs would like to do :) |
| 16:42 | <TrueBrain> | but I agree that it is a bit of gambling :) |
| 16:43 | <TrueBrain> | my AI makes 2k profit per bus, local city routes only |
| 16:43 | <TrueBrain> | not bad :) |
| 16:43 | <Zuu> | :) |
| 16:43 | <XeryusTC> | nice :) |
| 16:43 | <TrueBrain> | try to beat it ;) |
| 16:43 | <XeryusTC> | my AI sets its name from a predefined list :P |
| 16:44 | <XeryusTC> | oh, and one of the persons on that list died :'( |
| 16:44 | <TrueBrain> | auch |
| 16:44 | <XeryusTC> | actually, the person the AI is called after :P |
| 16:44 | <XeryusTC> | TrueBrain: it is just an anime, although it rocks all other animes :P |
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| 16:46 | <Zuu> | XeryusTC: Well, stop watching the anime and build her up again :p :) |
| 16:46 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truelight * r9783 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: make naming more consistent between Valuators: don't add Get before them. |
| 16:47 | <XeryusTC> | Zuu: i'll probably get special lenses in her honor :P |
| 16:47 | <XeryusTC> | blood red :9 |
| 16:48 | <XeryusTC> | i should first get colorless lenses though :P |
| 16:48 | <Zuu> | hehe, got glases now? |
| 16:49 | <XeryusTC> | yes |
| 16:49 | <XeryusTC> | until monday :P |
| 16:49 | <Zuu> | hehe |
| 16:54 | <Zuu> | I'm a lucky one, I got nither glases nor lenses. :) |
| 16:54 | <TrueBrain> | me neither :) |
| 16:54 | <Zuu> | But I got two DSPs :) |
| 16:57 | <TrueBrain> | My AI is dying :) |
| 16:58 | <TrueBrain> | I really do need station managing |
| 16:58 | <Zuu> | More features in a DSP than in siple lenses :) |
| 16:58 | <Zuu> | TrueBrain: as in amout of buses? |
| 16:58 | <TrueBrain> | Zuu: no, -3k profit per year in total |
| 16:58 | <TrueBrain> | mostly because of full loan |
| 16:59 | <Zuu> | You could copy my ugly bank acount manager or write your own :) |
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| 17:00 | <Zuu> | But that only helps as in not loaning to much in the begining. :) |
| 17:01 | <Zuu> | It won't stop you from using up all your money or take a maximum loan. |
| 17:02 | <XeryusTC> | Zuu: what's a DSP? |
| 17:02 | <Zuu> | XeryusTC: Digital Sound Processor |
| 17:02 | <XeryusTC> | oh |
| 17:02 | <XeryusTC> | i've got 2 of those too :P |
| 17:02 | <Zuu> | So, if you have not guessed yet, hearing aids :) |
| 17:02 | <XeryusTC> | in my pc though :P |
| 17:03 | <XeryusTC> | :o |
| 17:06 | <setrodox> | Zuu, Signal, not Sound |
| 17:06 | <setrodox> | atleast in the common definition of dsp |
| 17:06 | <Zuu> | setrodox: Okay :) |
| 17:06 | <setrodox> | sorry, didn't want to sound nit picky xD |
| 17:06 | <Zuu> | setrodox: No problem.. |
| 17:07 | <setrodox> | :) |
| 17:07 | <Zuu> | I read a course about signal and systems now, so if I open the english text book I might find the definition of "DSP" in it. |
| 17:08 | <Zuu> | :) |
| 17:08 | <setrodox> | oh :) |
| 17:09 | <TrueBrain> | property maintaince sucks! |
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| 17:10 | <TrueBrain> | bah, bankrupt |
| 17:10 | <Zuu> | TrueBrain: Yea, Add a function to bring up the cheat window and get some extra cash ;) :p |
| 17:10 | <TrueBrain> | repaying your loan all the time might not be the smartest :) |
| 17:11 | <XeryusTC> | TrueBrain: cant you clone Igor's AI, or was that one too stupid for you? |
| 17:11 | <XeryusTC> | and could you please get yourself ops, you're somewhat at the end of my tablist |
| 17:11 | <TrueBrain> | XeryusTC: I dunno about igor's, I do know my own GPMI AI was pretty good. Just functions changed, ideas changed, so I am happily starting over :) |
| 17:12 | <XeryusTC> | TrueBrain: wasnt the FastAI your AI? :P |
| 17:12 | <TrueBrain> | also |
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