TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:05:01

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01:43	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9758 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (FS#756): Ignore bit 1 (axis) of station tile layouts
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03:19	<Wolf01>	hello
03:19	<Touqen>	howdy
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05:16	<TheJosh>	good morning/arvo/evening all
05:19	<elmex_>	hi
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05:31	<peter1138>	grrrr
05:31	<TheJosh>	sorry
05:32	<peter1138>	hmm?
05:33	<TheJosh>	oh not grr at me.
05:33	<TheJosh>	hey i fixed a bunch of those issues with my patch. putting into flyspray
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05:37	<Immow>	hello
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05:38	<TheJosh>	hey
05:38	<peter1138>	hmm
05:39	<peter1138>	_price.build_town = _price.build_industry * 5;
05:39	<peter1138>	instead of adding a new price, can it just use build_industry * 5 instead?
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05:40	<TheJosh>	because the industry initial price is 1000000 and the town initial price is 5000000, so I figure if there is no price info in the savegame, i should try to guess a price
05:40	<TheJosh>	then people cant change the industry price without affecting the town price
05:40	<peter1138>	it should stay *5 relatively anyway
05:40	<peter1138>	hmm
05:41	<TheJosh>	imagine if 1/2 the prices were based on another, and the mess that would cause.
05:41	<TheJosh>	imagine build a train station = cost of a rail * 1.342
05:42	<peter1138>	well, build_industry is also used for the existing town actions
05:42	<TheJosh>	is it?
05:42	<peter1138>	advertising, statues, road reconstruction, etc
05:43	<peter1138>	yeah
05:43	<TheJosh>	oh
05:43	<TheJosh>	well i have to savegame bump for the network to work anyway...although that would reduce the code needed for the patch
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05:47	<Immow>	eek
05:47	<Immow>	I made a "giant screenshot" its still thinking lol :)
05:47	<peter1138>	:D
05:47	<peter1138>	it means it
05:47	<Immow>	I made a junction... very large one
05:48	<Immow>	merging 4 rows of track like a T section
05:48	<TheJosh>	dont you just love large screenshots?
05:48	<Immow>	this is taking to long.. I kiled ttd :)
05:49	<TheJosh>	i meant large intersections...my mind wanders at this time of nite
05:50	<Rubidium>	Immow: you should have patience when making a screenshot of the whole map ;)
05:50	<TheJosh>	i just did a 2048x2048 and pressed CTRL+G
05:50	<TheJosh>	oh for a love of multitasking, letting it do that while I chat
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05:54	<Immow>	hehe
05:54	<Immow>	gimme a sec
05:54	<Immow>	so I can hear what you experts think about it
05:56	<Immow>	http://immow.nl/4_4_4_junction.png
05:57	<Immow>	I am wondering if all those "intbetween" signals are needed
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05:58	<Immow>	i'm mark em
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05:59	<Immow>	http://immow.nl/signals.png
06:03	<TheJosh>	that is an intersection and a half
06:04	<TheJosh>	my system is done with its screenshot.
06:04	<TheJosh>	its 802 MB (png)
06:04	<Rubidium>	good luck opening it ;)
06:05	<TheJosh>	that 4 4 4 is incredible
06:06	<Immow>	I got more :)
06:06	<Immow>	this I designed yesterday
06:06	<Immow>	took me 2 hours
06:06	<TheJosh>	im only using 230mb of 1gig of ram, should have space for it.
06:06	<TheJosh>	i love linux, you can do heaps of stuff and use hardly any ram.
06:07	<Immow>	shame my school makes it imposible to use linux
06:07	<Immow>	cos I need a few programs to work with
06:07	<Immow>	and wine or something does not support it
06:07	<TheJosh>	im loading it into the gimp right now (and timing the load time)
06:08	<Immow>	but my question about the signals
06:08	<Immow>	no one can help me?
06:08	<TheJosh>	whats the signal question?
06:08	<Immow>	[12:57][12:57] <Immow> I am wondering if all those "intbetween" signals are needed
06:08	<Immow>	[12:58][12:58] <Immow> i'm mark em
06:08	<Immow>	[12:59][12:59] <Immow> http://immow.nl/signals.png
06:09	<TheJosh>	in my opinion, you cant have too many signals.
06:09	<Immow>	I ment to say: i'l mark em
06:09	<Immow>	yea
06:09	<TheJosh>	if there are a few more then needed, who cares?
06:09	<Immow>	I think now a train will wait halfway now there
06:09	<Immow>	blocking the rest
06:09	<TheJosh>	try both options.
06:10	<Immow>	oke
06:10	<TheJosh>	see what its like with them, then if you get clogs, remove em
06:10	<Immow>	now gonna show you my version of 2 on 4
06:11	<TheJosh>	have fun'
06:12	<Immow>	http://immow.nl/2_4_4_junction.png
06:12	<Immow>	my friend found this mod where you can save em as templates
06:13	<Immow>	this is why i'm going all crazy designing stuff :)
06:19	<TheJosh>	cool
06:19	<TheJosh>	its almost loaded the image
06:20	<Immow>	:)
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06:22	<TheJosh>	hey
06:23	<TheJosh>	how are you
06:23	<TheJosh>	?
06:23	<TheJosh>	i think ttd is cool
06:24	<TheJosh>	what about you?
06:24	<TheJosh>	ignore that, that was my sister
06:24	<TheJosh>	image has loaded, only 18 mins
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06:35	<Immow>	:P
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07:55	<elmex_>	can i save online games?
07:55	<@Belugas>	try :)
07:55	<@Belugas>	you will see what happens ;)
07:55	<elmex_>	hmm
07:56	<elmex_>	oh cool
07:57	<elmex_>	it works
07:59	<elmex_>	but i wonder how to select the company ;/
08:00	<+glx>	cheat menu or local server
08:00	<elmex_>	ah, k
08:00	<elmex_>	thanks
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09:45	<elmex_>	hm
09:45	<elmex_>	why is air disallowed on many servers?
09:46	<Rubidium>	because it's very very easy to make lots and lots of money with them
09:46	<Rubidium>	it basically makes them a little harder
09:46	<peter1138>	also because the server owners are evil
09:48	<elmex_>	hm, so isn't air unbalanced then?
09:49	<hylje>	yes
09:49	<Rubidium>	no
09:49	<elmex_>	no?
09:50	<Rubidium>	when you remove all negations from your question: is air balanced -> makes me answer that with no
09:51	<Rubidium>	double negations are so nice ;)
09:52	<elmex_>	hehe
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10:25	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9759 /trunk/src/thread.cpp: -Add: added threading code for MorphOS (tokai)
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10:25	<hylje>	zomg thread!!
10:25	<Biff>	hey
10:25	<hylje>	for saving i take it?
10:26	<TrueBrain>	everywhere where threads are used
10:26	<TrueBrain>	:p
10:26	<TrueBrain>	(TGP landscape generation)
10:26	<hylje>	tgp is threaded?
10:27	<Rubidium>	TGP uses threads; I would not call it threaded
10:27	<hylje>	ah
10:27	<hylje>	so no arbitrary amount of workers..
10:27	<TrueBrain>	in fact, the TGP isn't threaded, but the GUI is.. or kind of... uses threads indeed :p
10:27	<Rubidium>	basically the threads are used to switch between two application 'stacks'
10:28	<TrueBrain>	I like that description :)
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11:21	<Sacro>	hmm, what happened to openttd.64.png ?
11:22	<Rubidium>	nothing AFAIK
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11:25	<Sacro>	ah, tis in media
11:26	<Sacro>	i keep redoing the PKGBUILD for ArchLinux
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11:30	<Rubidium>	Sacro: it has been there for 2 years
11:30	<Sacro>	Rubidium: has it?
11:31	<Sacro>	http://cvs.archlinux.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/checkout/games/openttd/PKGBUILD?rev=HEAD&cvsroot=AUR&only_with_tag=CURRENT&content-type=text/plain is how it is currently built
11:31	<Sacro>	i quite get amused by the 7 lines of sed...
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11:33	<Rubidium>	Sacro: it has been there since revision 1601
11:34	<Sacro>	Rubidium: ahh, well i have just fixed it again, now the icon works, and its called OpenTTD, also the manpage gets installed
11:35	<Rubidium>	Sacro: it needs to be redone for 0.6 anyway
11:35	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9760 /trunk/src/ (12 files): -Codechange: remove the need for saving some vehicle variables.
11:36	<Sacro>	Rubidium: what does?
11:36	<Rubidium>	that pkgbuild
11:36	<Sacro>	oh?
11:36	<Sacro>	http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=9391&O=0&L=0&C=0&K=openttd&SB=n&SO=a&PP=25&do_MyPackages=0&do_Orphans=0&SeB=nd
11:37	<Sacro>	at the bottom is the new one i've just done
11:37	<Rubidium>	still needs to be redone
11:38	<Sacro>	why?
11:38	<+glx>	paths changed
11:38	<Rubidium>	r7759
11:38	<+glx>	(makefilerewrite merge)
11:38	<Sacro>	grr :(
11:39	<Sacro>	might write an openttd-svn pkgbuikld
11:39	<Sacro>	*pkgbuild
11:40	<Sacro>	how do i check whats changed then?
11:41	<Sacro>	!losg
11:41	<Sacro>	!logs
11:41	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
11:42	<Rubidium>	svn diff svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.5.1 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk ?
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11:44	<Sacro>	Rubidium: that will be a big diff
11:45	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9761 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Codechange: refactor cargo payment out of LoadUnloadVehicle.
11:48	<Wolf01>	i want to see a big new feature :(
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11:59	<peter1138>	OpenTTD: Belugas * r9762 /trunk (11 files): -Feature: NewIndustries
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11:59	<hylje>	zomg
12:01	<Digitalfox[Home]>	peter1138: you're evil... :( My pents almost get wet..
12:01	<@Belugas>	heheh
12:02	<peter1138>	hehe
12:03	<@Belugas>	... laughter changed to whisper...
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12:17	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9762 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
12:17	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Feature: Two new difficulty settings : Very low number of towns and very low number of industries
12:17	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: Based on FS#289, by pitt2
12:17	<@Belugas>	Feature!
12:17	<@Belugas>	as requested
12:17	<hylje>	what
12:17	<@Belugas>	not a big one though...
12:17	<hylje>	no
12:17	<hylje>	:<
12:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yay! :)
12:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	many people requested this already :)
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12:25	<@Belugas>	they are now served :)
12:28	<Wolf01>	i want rename buoys!
12:30	<peter1138>	tough!
12:31	[~]	Belugas has a problem with letter H, it seems
12:32	<peter1138>	you do?
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12:34	<@Belugas>	you point them ;)
12:37	<peter1138>	huh?
12:37	<peter1138>	you confuzzle me
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13:01	<Patrick>	I just popped in to say whoever was inspired by my early crude attempt and merged "very low" industry/town density: nice work :)
13:01	<Patrick>	I wanted to see it happen but I couldn't pull it off, should make bigmaps more of a challenge without having to use the magic dozer to thin them down
13:02	<Patrick>	apparently Belugas is the one I owe a pint :)
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13:18	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9763 /trunk/src/ (oldloader.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Codechange/Fix (r9760): don't read the variables that are calculated automatically either.
13:27	<hylje>	http://zip.4chan.org/an/src/1177707859755.jpg
13:27	<Wolf01>	lol
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14:05	<@Belugas>	Patrick, it was an easy one :) You've done almost everything...
14:05	<Patrick>	it was a bit buggy i thought
14:05	<Patrick>	anyway ,brb
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14:44	<Patrick>	doing gsoc on something else this summer so I'll probably hhack ottd as well
14:44	<Patrick>	for a laugh
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14:56	<ln->	mikk36: situation hot?
14:56	<mikk36>	?
14:57	<mikk36>	what, ln- ?
14:57	<ln->	the anger from russia
14:58	<mikk36>	well...
14:58	<mikk36>	not really i think
14:58	<mikk36>	there's not really a chance for a war
14:58	<mikk36>	that would be a dumb move from russians
14:59	<mikk36>	although, it would test NATO's reaction for the first time
14:59	<ln->	NATO wouldn't move a finger.
14:59	<mikk36>	then the whole alliance would be pointless
15:00	<ln->	not entirely, i suppose you are paying them a lot of money.
15:00	<mikk36>	well, we are full member
15:01	<Wolf01>	'night
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15:01	<mikk36>	other than nato/war topic, we also have an... asshole mayor
15:02	<mikk36>	who is did nothing to prevent those riots in the city
15:02	<mikk36>	who did*
15:03	<mikk36>	but rather was supporting them
15:03	<mikk36>	and was only blaiming our prime minister
15:03	<mikk36>	in... everything...
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15:11	<mikk36>	last days it has been rather calm in the contrary :)
15:11	<mikk36>	and as the head of police stated, the crime has been lower than usually :P
15:12	<Immow>	pff
15:12	<Immow>	I think I finished my 4 4 4 4 junction
15:12	<Immow>	58 by 58 tiles
15:12	<Immow>	http://immow.nl/4_4_4_4_junction.png
15:13	<mikk36>	gj, take a beer to congratulate yourself :)
15:13	<Immow>	^_^
15:13	<mikk36>	i would take one for you too, but i can't
15:14	<mikk36>	state prohibited sales of alcoholic beverages until 3rd may
15:14	<mikk36>	because of russian riots
15:14	<Immow>	ah
15:14	<mikk36>	:P
15:14	<Immow>	thats a shame
15:14	<mikk36>	personally i hate those russians, who hate the state and still live here
15:15	<Immow>	people that dont help building something are not realy nice yes
15:15	<mikk36>	those who learn estonian and respect the state... those i respect back
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15:15	<Immow>	that what makes a country is a group of people with same goal of helping one another out
15:15	<hylje>	Immow: i was expecting a 4x4 mainline junction
15:16	<Immow>	well
15:16	<Immow>	I found one on wiki page
15:16	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	that junction has joins before splits...
15:16	<Immow>	but it has many corners and area's that are not good
15:16	<mikk36>	uhm, Immow
15:17	<mikk36>	ahh, nothing
15:17	<Immow>	:0
15:17	<mikk36>	mislooked
15:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i once designed a (3+3)x(3+3) junction
15:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	it was pretty spaghetti
15:18	<Immow>	got a picture of it?
15:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i don't know where...
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15:37	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Koeln%20an%20der%20Donau%20Transport,%2030.%20Jul%202001.png
15:37	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	it's probably not very good
15:38	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and it looks better zoomed in, but it doesn't fit into the screen...
15:39	<yeti_>	but it's definitely huge :D
15:39	<myrka>	could you take giant scrshot with more zoom
15:39	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	no, the map is too large
15:39	<myrka>	ok
15:39	<myrka>	but yes
15:39	<myrka>	its huge (:
15:39	<yeti_>	giant screenshot on 2048*2048 with full zoom will probably be over 250MB ;)
15:39	<yeti_>	and will take half an hour to take
15:40	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	by my count, it is 64x66 tiles (from first split to last join)
15:40	<Rubidium>	yeti_: actually more like 800 MB
15:41	<myrka>	going to compile ottd again
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15:41	[~]	Rubidium doesn't want to know what happens in 32bpp OTTD with giant screenshot at 2048x2048 ;)
15:42	<yeti_>	by the way, when i activate fast forward, i randomly get 'lockups' of about 10 secs, the game will run, but freeze my PC, i can't make any input in those 10 sec. (regardless which mapsize, but larger maps will make it worse)
15:43	<yeti_>	i have a p4 2.4 ghz with 1G of ram, running kubuntu linux
15:43	<Rubidium>	randomly like monthly?
15:43	<yeti_>	no, it's not the autosave
15:43	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	the better idea would be to make a virtual screen that is larger than the actual screen, and make a screenshot from there
15:43	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	but i don't know how to do that...
15:44	<yeti_>	Rubidium: i'm not sure whether it's monthly, but it's definitely not autosave because it's not active
15:44	<Rubidium>	what version are you running?
15:45	<yeti_>	had that problem with 0.5.1 as well as with nightly 9734 as well as with latest trunk
15:45	<Rubidium>	AI?
15:45	<yeti_>	no AI in that game, in other games AI intelligence set to low
15:46	<yeti_>	new alpha AI not active
15:46	<Rubidium>	the 'problem' is that I do not have that problem
15:46	<Rubidium>	so I can only guess
15:47	<yeti_>	which linux distro/kernel are you running?
15:47	<yeti_>	(on what cpu?)
15:47	<Rubidium>	you're absolutely sure there is no rogue background process
15:48	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i never tried fast forward, but my (miniin) game with around 150 trains already hits 100% CPU on a similar powered pc
15:48	<yeti_>	pretty sure, yeah... i'm gonna try to reproduce it while looking at top
15:48	<Rubidium>	Debian lenny a.k.a. sid running 2.6.21 with a P-M 1.6 @ 600 MHz
15:51	<Rubidium>	and I'm running the worst possible binaries you can think of... the ones without any inlining/optimizations done
15:52	<+glx>	aka full debug build :)
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15:55	<yeti_>	t's not fair! now that i want to reproduce it, it runs smoothly..... well, as long as it continues to do so, i won't complain :)
15:56	<yeti_>	timidity takes really freaky amounts of cpu though given that it's only responsible for playing ttd music... 25% cpu!
15:56	<Rubidium>	timidity sucks
15:57	<yeti_>	is there anything else i can use instead?
15:59	<myrka>	yakuake has some problems with x
15:59	<myrka>	cant start ottd from there
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16:06	<Immow>	Eddi\|zuHause3 it looks oke but some junctions are not build for speed
16:07	<Immow>	in your design :)
16:07	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	how much speed?
16:07	<ln->	why hadn't i heard about the place called Llívia before?
16:08	<Immow>	its just trains slow down there
16:08	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i tried to avoid 2x45° turns
16:09	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and with wagonspeedlimit, the ultra-high-speed stuff is a non-issue
16:10	<Immow>	oh wait
16:10	<Immow>	its optical illusion
16:11	<Immow>	then all is oke :)
16:11	<Immow>	but I never had 2 3 lane tracks before
16:12	<Immow>	looks interesting
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16:27	<Tefad>	i pre-render the midi-music
16:27	<Tefad>	then just have a media player do it in the background.
16:27	<Tefad>	flac/vorbis uses much less CPU than midi rendering ; )
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16:36	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	midi music already played on 386 pcs with less than 33MHz, there is absolutely no reason why it uses 25% of a 2.4GHz pc
16:37	<ln->	back in those days sound cards played midi with hardware.
16:43	<Tefad>	yeah, back in the day.. i had FM synth...
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16:43	<MeusH>	hey
16:44	<Tefad>	Eddi\|zuHause3: sound cards rarely have drivers that support fully accelerated midi.
16:44	<Tefad>	(now anyway)
16:48	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	Tefad: that is not the issue, even emulation should not take that much processing power
16:48	<Immow>	midi sux anyway's
16:48	<Immow>	:3
16:49	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	midi has to be used correctly, then it does not suck
16:49	<Immow>	true
16:49	<Immow>	but then soundcard is very exspensive no?
16:49	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	no, the expensive thing is not the card, but the sample sounds
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16:54	<Tefad>	Eddi\|zuHause3: so turn off all the timidity options.
16:56	<ln->	timidity is somehow strange...
16:56	<ln->	it doesn't do any buffering or something
16:58	<ln->	on my sempron 2500+, doing almost anything (such as switching to another window) causes timidity's sound to interrupt for a fraction of a second.
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17:20	<TheJosh>	Hello all
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17:35	<TheJosh>	peter1138: I made those changes you suggested to my patch (removed _prices.build_town)
17:38	<TheJosh>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576682
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17:43	<TheJosh>	gee
17:51	<MeusH>	bye
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17:54	<TheJosh>	hey
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18:09	<TheJosh>	meh im off, its too boring here (everyone must be asleep)
18:09	<Touqen>	I'm awake
18:10	<ln->	who has been to barcelona?
18:10	[~]	Touqen has never left the united states :/
18:10	[~]	ln- plans to visit the united states before it closes it borders from all foreigners.
18:11	<ln->	it -> its
18:11	<TheJosh>	what time is it there Touqen?
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18:11	<Touqen>	It's 19:11 on the east coast.
18:12	<TheJosh>	7 at night?
18:12	<Touqen>	Yes.
18:12	<TheJosh>	its 8:45 here (central australian time)
18:12	<Sacro\|Laptop>	its 00:13 here
18:13	<ln->	that 30 minute difference is so bizarre.
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18:14	<TheJosh>	I know, but meh
18:14	<ln->	i'm not blaming you for it.
18:14	<TheJosh>	South Australia must think there Microsoft, being different just because they can
18:15	<Touqen>	I'm sure that they have a legitimate reason for it.
18:15	<Touqen>	I think it's because they don't want to split up territorties in the middle with regular 1 hour timezones
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18:16	<TheJosh>	probably. our states are fairly tight-knit, there are pleanty of people who would live in one state but work in another
18:17	<TheJosh>	although there is a SA/VIC rivallry (although its only when it comes to Footy)
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18:19	<TheJosh>	we even have a town that is physically in VIC, but is so far from anything in VIC that they use SA time, SA road rules etc etc. (they are basically SA)
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18:29	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i think there is a village in austria, and it is in a valley, and the only road connection out of the village leads through the border to germany
18:30	<TheJosh>	Thats cool
18:31	<ln->	00:07 < ln-> why hadn't i heard about the place called Llívia before?
18:31	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	wtf is this place?
18:31	<ln->	Llívia is a Spanish village/town which is surrounded by France.
18:31	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	the double l thing sounds very celtic
18:31	<ln->	something like 2 km separates it from the rest of the Spain.
18:32	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yeah, i heard of this place, just did not know the name
18:33	<TheJosh>	crazy
18:33	<ln->	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Localitzaci%C3%B3_de_Ll%C3%ADvia.png
18:33	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	there was some bizarre story about it, but i forgot it
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18:34	<ln->	the picture doesn't say what the big gray thing is, but it's certainly not the whole spain, in case someone wondered.
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18:38	<mikk36>	lol...
18:39	<mikk36>	ln-, u were commenting a bit about our "happenings" here in estonia :P
18:39	<mikk36>	http://gardistan.blogspot.com/
18:39	<mikk36>	nice text in there :P
18:40	<mikk36>	The UN responded by blowing soap bubbles, as always. "Loooook! Preeeettyyyy buuubbles! Looove, peeace and conciliaaation!"
18:40	<mikk36>	xD
18:40	<ln->	it is not completely from neutral point of view :)
18:42	<mikk36>	it's not
18:42	<mikk36>	but it's great text :)
18:42	<mikk36>	though, i like his pov
18:42	<mikk36>	and i have to agree with him
18:43	<mikk36>	this is what i as an estonian feel
18:45	<TheJosh>	ln-: Have you seen my latest patch?
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18:47	<TheJosh>	what about you mikk36
18:47	<mikk36>	that gardistan is some finnish artist
18:47	<mikk36>	what about me ?
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18:49	<TheJosh>	mikk36: have you seen my latest patch>
18:49	<mikk36>	oh, i've not been into ottd lately
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18:50	<TheJosh>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31558
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18:52	<mikk36>	nice idea :)
18:52	<mikk36>	where is the button for it ?
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18:52	<mikk36>	to create it
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18:52	<TheJosh>	its in the menu for 'town directory'
18:52	<mikk36>	ok :)
18:53	<TheJosh>	i updated it this morning with more bugfixes
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18:56	<TheJosh>	mikk36: do you know how to svn, patch, compile, etc?
18:57	<mikk36>	i know the basics but i've not patched/compiled openttd myself successfully
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18:57	<mikk36>	though i have done some stuff with svn
18:57	<mikk36>	with another problem
18:57	<mikk36>	program*
18:57	<mikk36>	to fetch scripts
18:58	<TheJosh>	what OS are you running?
18:59	<TheJosh>	windows or *nix?
18:59	<mikk36>	winxp
19:00	<mikk36>	no 3dsmax nor games for *nix :)
19:00	<mikk36>	otherwise i'd be in *nix...
19:00	<TheJosh>	sorry I cant help much then. I guess you would get the latest from svn, apply my patch (i dont know of a windows tool that can do this, but they probably exist) and then compile (visual c++ ??)
19:00	<mikk36>	propably using gentoo :P
19:01	<mikk36>	well, i aint going to try it out :)
19:01	<TheJosh>	im on debian 4.0 (sarge) at the moment, and i have a gentoo machine as well and a slackware server (and another slackware server at my church)
19:03	<mikk36>	:)
19:04	<TheJosh>	gotta love remote access. im working on the slackware server at my church right as we speak
19:04	<mikk36>	i have my xp, then server 2003 on a serverhost (server-housing)
19:04	<TheJosh>	and worrying because my gentoo box has just had a harddrive failure
19:04	<mikk36>	hehe
19:04	<mikk36>	i had one failure too about a week ago :P
19:04	<mikk36>	or rather 1.5
19:04	<Tefad>	. . .
19:05	<mikk36>	mechanics gave up
19:05	<mikk36>	about a month and a half after buying it
19:05	<Tefad>	i'm remote accessing my server right now, to IRC from.
19:05	<Tefad>	it, however, is also under my desk
19:05	<TheJosh>	i think its hdd failure. disks are old (2x 4gig) and now it cant read the reiser partition
19:05	<Tefad>	but i can access it from anywhere, which is convenient
19:05	<mikk36>	lost almost 150 gigs of movies, series and cd/dvd images :P
19:06	<TheJosh>	gee
19:06	<TheJosh>	i need some not 6 year old disks
19:06	<mikk36>	heh
19:06	<mikk36>	erm
19:06	<mikk36>	hmm
19:06	<Tefad>	i refuse to use maxtor for a while
19:06	<TheJosh>	oh well, ill put them on the 'to shoot' pile
19:06	<mikk36>	lemme check it's manufacturing time
19:06	<mikk36>	5 Apr 95 :)
19:06	<mikk36>	still working nicely
19:07	<Tefad>	heh, i have some disks like that
19:07	<mikk36>	WD Caviar 1425
19:07	<Tefad>	i think most of my machine's root FS is one some tiny disk
19:07	<mikk36>	426.8MB xD
19:07	<Tefad>	machines' root FSs. meh
19:07	<mikk36>	the only reason i don't use it in my router is that it's loud as hell
19:07	<Tefad>	so spin it down after bootup?
19:07	<TheJosh>	disk didnt fail
19:08	<mikk36>	Tefad, no can do
19:08	<TheJosh>	power cord had come partially out, reiser is now self-repairing (i love reiser)
19:08	<mikk36>	pfsense writes data constantly to hdd
19:08	<Tefad>	what is your router doing?.. blah
19:08	<Tefad>	make it write to ramdisk and sync once per day or something
19:08	<mikk36>	m0n0wall can stop it, because it doesn't log etc...
19:09	<Tefad>	or hell, usb flash drives are cheap enough
19:09	<mikk36>	but then again, i like when stuff gets logged
19:09	<mikk36>	latency, speed etc data
19:09	<mikk36>	up to 1 year back or so
19:09	<Digitalfox[Home]>	mikk36: I know what is to lost a hdd that you use for data, like movies, music, games, tv-series, documents, etc.. I lost a 160x2 RAID-0 = 320GB of data 2 years ago... Or on other words i lost everything i was collecting for 6 years
19:09	<mikk36>	on graphics
19:09	<Tefad>	i think 1GB flashdisk is US$15 pretty much anywhere
19:09	<mikk36>	Digitalfox[Home], that drive was in raid0 :)
19:09	<Tefad>	Digitalfox[Home]: RAID-0 is a bad idea.
19:09	<mikk36>	200+200GB
19:10	<mikk36>	but it unpacked and copied data fast as hell :P
19:10	<Tefad>	0+1 FTW.
19:10	<mikk36>	true :)
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