TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:04:30

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02:54	<elmex>	i wish one could jump to the place where the player last placed something - would be cool for spectating multiplayer games
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03:33	<Ailure>	elmex: When you join a game, you start where the server is 'looking'
03:33	<Ailure>	so if the server is a player ;)
03:37	<neli>	but, will you follow it ?
04:33	<peter1138>	no
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06:11	<eJoJ>	peter1138 what's up with your newgrf? :P
06:12	<peter1138>	what?
06:12	<eJoJ>	is it your server up runing r9734? i got newgrf mismatch, lots of Unknown :P
06:13	<Rubidium>	eJoJ: some packets got lost with the names of the GRFs
06:15	<peter1138>	here's a tip: http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=486
06:15	<eJoJ>	ahha btw is there a change in the netcode in r9734 i'm struggeling with massive desyncs
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06:15	<peter1138>	no
06:15	<peter1138>	heh
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06:16	<eJoJ>	or maybe it's just my connection causing the desyncs :/
06:16	<peter1138>	that would cause a desync :p
06:16	<hylje>	the desyncs are likely because we screwed up the savegame somewhat
06:16	<Rubidium>	eJoJ: what is the exact message when you get disconnected?
06:16	<peter1138>	hylje: you did?
06:16	<eJoJ>	that makes sence, now fix it hylje :P
06:17	<hylje>	the current save is fubar
06:17	<hylje>	next one should work fine
06:17	<hylje>	( = next game)
06:17	<hylje>	we changed grfs mid-game iirc
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06:50	<RobertGrammig>	which game currently has a more challenging? ttdpatch or openttd? or none of them ;)?
06:50	<RobertGrammig>	more challenging AI I mean ;)
06:52	<hylje>	our ai sucks
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06:55	<Cipri>	openttd has better online game. Online competition is better then AI's.
06:55	<Cipri>	And only cooperative is better then online competition!
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07:34	<Ailure>	well, openTTD would have a potentially better with the AI branch :p
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07:41	<TheJosh>	Hey all
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08:03	<@Belugas>	hello
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08:07	<TheJosh>	Hey does anyone here have an opinion of my 'Found a Town' patch?
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08:12	<peter1138>	does it work yet? :D
08:13	<Cipri>	I'd love a patch like that.
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08:15	<TheJosh>	Yes it works, almost complete (im adding a patch option to enable/disable right now)
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08:15	<peter1138>	cool
08:15	<peter1138>	afternoon, Maedhros
08:15	<Maedhros>	hi peter1138
08:15	[~]	peter1138 mumbles at tab-complete failing for "afternoon" ...
08:16	<TheJosh>	Hey Maedhros
08:16	<Maedhros>	hehe
08:16	<Maedhros>	hi TheJosh
08:16	<TheJosh>	Maedhros: have you seen my latest patch (another town one...)
08:16	<Maedhros>	no yet, no
08:16	<neli>	where did you find it, on the attic ? :P
08:16	<TheJosh>	'Found a town'
08:19	<TheJosh>	Maedhros: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31558 thats only version 3, im about to release version 4
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08:19	<Maedhros>	i'll wait for that, then :)
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08:21	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i actually did find a town in the attic once :)
08:21	<TheJosh>	just testing the configure patches over network (gotta love loopback, although its boring playing against yourself)
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08:29	<TheJosh>	is it possible to have a patch option thats in openttd.cfg and network, but not save game???
08:32	<TheJosh>	nvm worked it out
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08:32	<Maedhros>	not if you want it to do anything during the game, no
08:34	<TheJosh>	what do you mean?
08:36	<Maedhros>	well, to prevent desyncs all clients must have the same value for the patch option
08:36	<Maedhros>	but if you don't save it in the savegame it won't be synced when the game starts
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08:41	<TheJosh>	wont the clients just ask the server what its patch option is?
08:44	<Maedhros>	no. it's only synced at the start of the game (within the savegame) and when it changes
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08:44	<Frostregen>	TheJosh: use the SLF_SAVE_NO flag
08:45	<Frostregen>	former NS flag, but this got removed
08:45	<TheJosh>	I have put in that flag, did not get desyncs
08:45	<Maedhros>	Frostregen: it was removed because it breaks things
08:46	<Maedhros>	TheJosh: try starting a game where the server uses a different value than the client
08:46	<TheJosh>	ok
08:46	<Frostregen>	hmm, it worked fine for me
08:47	<Frostregen>	as a server-side only option
08:48	<TheJosh>	the server and the client had different settings even when the game was run
08:48	<TheJosh>	i guess I will change that then
08:49	<Frostregen>	hrm, bad
08:49	<Frostregen>	will somethin similar be reintroduced? (which works ;)
08:50	<Frostregen>	how was this done before patch-settings were saved into the savegame?
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08:54	<TheJosh>	ok i have fixed that, the patch can be downloaded from http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576682
08:54	<valhallasw>	hurray for killing the stack \o/
08:54	<valhallasw>	(@ myself)
08:54	<TheJosh>	huh?
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08:59	<peter1138>	Frostregen: they were sent separately
09:00	<Maedhros>	TheJosh: you don't need to use CheckPlayerHasMoney() - the DoCommand checks that already
09:01	<TheJosh>	oh
09:01	<Maedhros>	also, it might be nice for all the houses to start off in the initial construction state, not most of them fully built
09:01	<peter1138>	there's a stray tab in the language file changes
09:02	<peter1138>	and stray non-tabs elsewhere, heh
09:03	<TheJosh>	Maedhros: How would I implement that? currently I the code uses a slightly modified version of the scenario builder function
09:04	<Maedhros>	you'd could pass something to DoCreateTown, which would pass it to DoBuildTownHouse (?)
09:04	<TheJosh>	peter1138: Sorry
09:04	<Maedhros>	there might be quite a few steps in between though ;)
09:04	<peter1138>	hmm?
09:04	<peter1138>	just commenting
09:05	<Maedhros>	has anyone noticed that "Trees of random type" in the tropic landscape isn't actually random at all?
09:05	<TheJosh>	peter1138: ill see if i can fix those things
09:08	<TheJosh>	Maedhros, peter1138: do you guys like the idea of the patch?
09:09	<Maedhros>	the idea's good, yeah
09:18	<Rubidium>	TheJosh: I think town funding should be disabled by default
09:20	<Rubidium>	the patch itself is also littered with all kinds of other changes that are not part of creating towns (like adding newlines in comments and in other random places)
09:22	<Maedhros>	huh. apparently there is only one type of tree in the subtropical part
09:22	<TheJosh>	Rubidium: Part of the patch is the commenting of some things in town_cmd.cpp
09:23	<TheJosh>	Dont worry, i can clean that kind of stuff up
09:23	<Rubidium>	yes, but that shouldn't be in this patch, it should be in another patch
09:24	<TheJosh>	it is, Belugas has it, he merged some of them in already
09:26	<TheJosh>	Ok i have found a few issues,
09:27	<Rubidium>	like: a hacked client can make towns for free?
09:28	<Rubidium>	(he can just 'call' CmdBuildTown)
09:30	<TheJosh>	what do you mean?
09:31	<Rubidium>	that CmdBuildTown isn't an offline command anymore (with your patch)
09:32	<TheJosh>	that is cruft, from when the code used CmdBuildTown, will fix
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09:39	<TheJosh>	i am cleaning all that up, will release v5 soon
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09:49	<Sjoerd->	hi, how comes I get cannot contruct diamond error in red box while playing temperate?
09:50	<TheJosh>	updated patch http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576682 removed some cruft, etc
09:50	<TheJosh>	anyway, off to bed now, tis 12:23am...
09:51	<Sjoerd->	gnight josh
09:51	<TheJosh>	gud-night
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09:53	<@Belugas>	Sjoerd- : this is really a vague problem description...
09:53	<@Belugas>	care to expand?
09:53	<Sjoerd->	ok well, i'm playing game on a 0.5.1 server
09:54	<Sjoerd->	then suddenly a red error box pops up stating: cannot construct diamond mine
09:54	<Sjoerd->	it's a temperate map
09:54	<Sjoerd->	maybe my teammate is causing it, I asked but no answer
09:55	<Sjoerd->	It's the second time it happens.
09:56	<@Belugas>	strange
09:56	<Sjoerd->	if it happens again I will make a screenshot
09:56	<@Belugas>	maybe a savegame too?
09:57	<@Belugas>	althoug i doubt it would be usefulll...
09:57	<Sjoerd->	I can make one now, and send it to you.
09:57	<Sjoerd->	Yeah.
09:57	<Sjoerd->	Well it's not big deal anyway, just thought it was a little strange.
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10:00	<HMage>	http://pics.binary.ru/full/cats_15.jpg
10:00	<+glx>	HMage: funny
10:02	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	16:50] <TheJosh> anyway, off to bed now, tis 12:23am... <- weird time he has...
10:04	<Touqen>	Eddi\|zuHause2: not if he's in a timezone that's x.5 off of utc
10:04	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	that is still a weird time... :)
10:04	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	aside from being 3 minutes off
10:05	<Touqen>	Eddi\|zuHause2: http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-australia24.php
10:05	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i know such timezones exist
10:05	<Touqen>	Well okay then!
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10:09	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	the funny thing with that map is the small spot in the south that has 23:51, which is like a x:45 timezone between the x:00 and the x+1:30 timezone :)
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10:11	<Touqen>	Yea. Now _that_ is weird.
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10:19	<Sacro>	!logs
10:19	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
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11:25	<Wolf01>	hello
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11:49	<Thomas[NL]>	!logs
11:49	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
11:50	<Maedhros>	bookmarks!
11:51	<Wolf01>	or make an alias!
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12:23	<Chrissicom>	good evening :)
12:24	<maddy_>	Brianetta, if you there can you reset the game?
12:24	<maddy_>	please...
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12:35	<yeti_>	how do i checkout the trunk if i just want to have the files needed to compile (like nightly sources)? i tried svn co svn://svn.openttd.org, but that one's really large
12:36	<Rubidium>	/trunk?
12:38	<yeti_>	ouch, silly me :) thank you
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12:43	<yeti_>	is it recommended to run make clean/make mrproper before svn update?
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12:46	<DaleStan>	yeti_: Usually not. clean and mrproper are only used when you need to recompile everything. An update will rarely, if ever, cause this.
12:48	<yeti_>	thank you
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13:54	<MeusH>	hello
13:55	<Wolf01>	hello MeusH!!
13:56	<MeusH>	hey Wolf01, how's your coding?
13:56	<MeusH>	have you coded something recently?
13:57	<Wolf01>	yes, i'm always at work
13:58	<Wolf01>	now i'm coding a "ctrl+click on widget toggles between transparent and invisible" for trees and maybe houses
13:59	<MeusH>	that'd be nice :)
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15:05	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9757 /trunk/src/intro_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1244842]: when you have closed the "Load game"/"New game" windows accessible from the "New Server" window, any creation of new game/loading from the intro menu should not start a server.
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15:43	<Ammler>	!translate en_de abstain
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15:47	<Wolf01>	'night all
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15:48	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Ammler: "[Stimme] enthalten"
15:48	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Ammler: dict.leo.org
15:48	<Ammler>	thx Eddi\|zuHause2
15:49	<Ammler>	_42_ has done that before
15:49	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	not that i remember...
15:50	<Ammler>	in the channel #openttdcoop, he does
15:50	<Ammler>	I liked to show TrueBrain, that somehing has changed
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15:52	<TrueBrain>	Ammler: on request, those commands have been disabled for #openttd
15:53	<Ammler>	[22:43][22:43] <_42_> Ammler: anslation" rows="10" cols="3" style="float:left; clear:none; background-color:#FFFFFF; color:#000000; border-color:#FFFFFF;">enthalten Sie sich "
15:53	<TrueBrain>	yeah, so I see
15:53	<TrueBrain>	how cool is that!
15:54	<Ammler>	I wasn't here while you changed the name, is that a secret?
15:54	<TrueBrain>	I really would like for those sites to add XMLRPC
15:54	<TrueBrain>	then I don't have to parse the $@#%#$@# HTML
15:54	<TrueBrain>	Ammler: what are you talking about?
15:54	<Ammler>	Truelight, to much highlights?
15:55	<Ammler>	was away for half a year
15:55	<valhallasw>	Truelight has donated it's light to a signal that lost one
15:55	<TrueBrain>	I never have been away :p
15:55	<Ammler>	no, me
15:56	<TrueBrain>	Haha, I totally lost you :p
15:57	<TrueBrain>	Ammler: I will correct !translate tomorrow or something
15:57	<Ammler>	don't hurry
15:59	<TrueBrain>	I just hope they have an alternative :)
15:59	<TrueBrain>	I might suggest it to them, who knows it helps
15:59	<TrueBrain>	a nice XMLRPC would be lovely
15:59	<TrueBrain>	or just a non-HTML page in fact would be lovely
16:01	<TrueBrain>	okay, me is gone, have fun all :)
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16:17	<Sacro>	valhallasw: does that mean next he donates his brain?
16:18	<valhallasw>	probably.
16:18	<Sacro>	whoever gets that is getting a crap deal...
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17:36	<MeusH>	bye
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18:07	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Please developers make an option to not have airplane crashes, when disasters set to none.. With 530 A380 planes i have 3 crashes every month if i don't save 3 or 4 times a month.. :(
18:10	<Phazorx>	how's saving helping
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18:16	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	a cheat "no plane crahes", i would agree
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18:31	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Phazorx: It seems if i save before the crash like 2 days, it doesn't cause the random crash.. Don' know why.. The year is 2010, and i have breakdowns also disabled, and they get service from every 400days..
18:32	<Phazorx>	crashes are random but only affect aircrafts with certain reliability
18:32	<Phazorx>	400 days is way too long i guess
18:32	<Phazorx>	150 is default
18:35	<Digitalfox[Home]>	yeah, since i have disasters and breackdowns set to none, it should happen.. :(
18:35	<Digitalfox[Home]>	*it shouldn't
18:39	<Phazorx>	well devs things a 15 months in the air is too much :)
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18:43	<izhirahider>	they should run out of fuel :)
18:49	<Phazorx>	in that case - all passengers sepnt enroute mroe than a month should die from starvation :)
18:52	<izhirahider>	well, they could eat each other to minimize the damage
19:03	<Digitalfox[Home]>	gn
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19:13	<Ailure>	http://194.47.44.201/openTTD/singeplayer/Ailuro%20Felis%20Transportatio,%2015th%20Aug%201920.png
19:14	<Ailure>	Why do I always go with such stupid names
19:23	<Phazorx>	one of last coopgames i played had Teddyweed farm and player with name Teddy :)
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20:02	<MindUs>	Free phone calls all around the world - http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/
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20:08	<kbrooks>	ttyl
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