TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:04:27

---	Log	opened Fri Apr 27 00:00:13 2007
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01:56	<RobertGrammig>	hi can this game in its latest version already be played against the AI?
01:57	<RobertGrammig>	because everytime I start a game, a large area of the map suddenly gets bown and the computer seems to elevate it at random, preventing me from building anything in that place
01:57	<RobertGrammig>	bown=brown
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02:11	<Rubidium>	the computer randomly lowering/raising the map is the AI :(
02:12	<peter1138>	yes, it's a bug
02:12	<Rubidium>	it's gotten worse and worse because it doesn't handle the map generated by the new mapgenerator very well (and much more other things)
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02:29	<RobertGrammig>	ok I found now a game in which it doesnt happen ;)
02:29	<RobertGrammig>	are the nightly builds more stable in this regard?
02:40	<peter1138>	not really
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02:54	<robotboy>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/NewGRF_TODO I noticed this page seems out of date. i did not change anything as im not sure which need chanfing
02:55	<robotboy>	If i remember correctly I need a nightly to use ttrs
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03:05	<peter1138>	i've done station animation triggers but it's pending having a grf to test it with
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03:33	<kairu0>	hey all
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05:40	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: matthijs * r9723 / (338 files in 31 dirs): [mempool] -Sync: 7408:r9722 from trunk
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08:03	<Sionide>	moo
08:03	<Prof_Frink>	baa
08:03	<peter1138>	is that so?
08:03	<Sionide>	oink
08:03	<Sionide>	it is
08:03	<Prof_Frink>	lies.
08:46	<Alanin>	!playercount
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10:59	<Kodak>	hai2all
10:59	<Spunj99>	hai2kodakes
11:00	<Kodak>	ha2spunjes
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11:00	<Kodak>	we r have problem w/ konnekt
11:00	<Spunj99>	We're stuck!
11:00	<Kodak>	or that
11:01	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	anything less specific?
11:01	<Kodak>	hmm.. dont think so
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11:02	<Spunj99^>	>.<
11:02	<Kodak>	so liek ..
11:02	<Spunj99^>	Can't connect to any servers
11:02	<Kodak>	Ok, Spunj99, you tell them.
11:02	<Spunj99^>	Him or me?
11:03	<Spunj99^>	'Cus he just fell off the internet
11:03	<Kodak>	He be droppin soon.
11:03	<Spunj99^>	Or will do in a sec
11:03	[~]	Spunj99^ pushes Spunj99 off the interwebs.
11:03	[~]	Spunj99^ watches him fall in really slow motion.
11:03	<Kodak>	amagad its a name stealer
11:03	<Kodak>	kick Spunj99^
11:03	<Spunj99^>	lol..
11:04	<Spunj99^>	Helping or hurting?
11:04	<Kodak>	ok so.. lets get serious
11:04	<Spunj99^>	What
11:04	<Spunj99^>	Move in together?
11:04	<Kodak>	lets try with a kiss first!
11:04	<Spunj99^>	I don't think this is the time or the place
11:04	<Kodak>	damn youre pushy
11:04	[~]	Spunj99^ pushes Kodak
11:05	<Kodak>	move IN together... jeeeeez..
11:05	<Spunj99^>	FIX OUR ISSUES!
11:05	[~]	Kodak nudges Spunj99^
11:05	<Kodak>	i wanna play OpenTTD D:
11:05	<Spunj99^>	D:
11:06	<Kodak>	make them fix your intarnets Spunj99^!
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11:06	<Spunj99^>	2 days
11:06	<Spunj99^>	2 days.
11:06	<Spunj99^>	48 hours.
11:06	<Spunj99^>	Maybe a bit more
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11:06	<Kodak>	but i is leave for Turkey on webnesday.
11:06	<Spunj99^>	:O
11:06	<Kodak>	for a weeks
11:06	<Spunj99^>	yerrite
11:07	<Spunj99^>	You're not allowed to leave the house
11:07	<Spunj99^>	By law
11:07	<Kodak>	:(
11:07	<Kodak>	dont remind me man
11:07	<Spunj99^>	After what you did to those boys
11:07	<axii>	is there any reason why no one runs public coop servers?
11:07	<axii>	1 company, 10 clients... that sort of thing
11:07	<Spunj99^>	Well, i was trying to
11:07	<Spunj99^>	Thats why we're here
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11:07	<Kodak>	cause... it sucks to play with 9 complete strangers?
11:08	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	axii: #openttdcoop has a "public" sandbox
11:08	<axii>	heh, true :)
11:08	<Kodak>	;P
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11:08	<Spunj99^>	I was making us a load of cash Kodak
11:08	<Kodak>	there we goes
11:08	<Spunj99^>	When you kept losing conn
11:08	<Kodak>	cool
11:08	<Kodak>	YOU
11:08	<Spunj99^>	Found a badass Oil route
11:08	<Kodak>	not i
11:08	<Kodak>	cool
11:09	<Kodak>	saved?
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11:09	<Kodak>	so liek
11:10	<Spunj99>	so liek
11:10	[~]	Spunj99 breaks down in tears
11:10	<Kodak>	look Spunj99!
11:10	<Kodak>	thers a name hogger here called Spunj99^
11:11	<Kodak>	hes trying to nick your nick
11:11	<Spunj99>	^_^
11:11	<hylje>	wtf
11:11	<Kodak>	joined while you were dc'd
11:11	<hylje>	you are all suspended
11:11	<Spunj99>	pardon
11:11	<Spunj99>	liek
11:11	<Spunj99>	Teh levitate?
11:12	<Kodak>	i is suspended on my chair
11:12	<Kodak>	it can bounce.
11:13	<Spunj99>	Sooo..
11:13	<Spunj99>	Is he crazy?
11:15	<axii>	question, what do the abbreviations ML and SL mean?
11:15	<axii>	main line, side line?
11:15	<Spunj99>	Midfielder (Left)
11:15	<Spunj99>	Striker (Left)
11:15	<Spunj99>	Oh wait, that's FM07
11:15	<axii>	lol
11:15	<Spunj99>	Then, pass.
11:15	<Kodak>	:p
11:16	<Kodak>	Malta and some other country? :P
11:16	<Spunj99>	Sri Lanka
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11:16	<Spunj99>	\o/
11:21	<Kodak>	:P
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11:29	<Wolf01>	hello
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12:12	<Chrissicom>	hi :)
12:12	<Chrissicom>	I have a quick source code question:
12:12	<Chrissicom>	static const byte TOWN_GROWTH_FREQUENCY = 70; < is the value 70 here in the same form as DAY TICKS 74 ?
12:13	<Chrissicom>	if that is the case I want to set it to (70*_patches.daylength_multiplier) to slow down town growth when days take longer
12:15	<@Bjarni>	well, try to write that and see what happens
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12:18	<hylje>	mm
12:18	<hylje>	improved waypoints could be of use in trunk
12:19	<hylje>	train counter, maybe speed meter/statistics
12:19	<Wolf01>	i want waypoints larger than 1 tile
12:19	<hylje>	use a passthrough station
12:19	<Wolf01>	i can't
12:19	<hylje>	how come
12:19	<@Bjarni>	Wolf01: we all do, but it's limited to one tile by design
12:19	<Wolf01>	i must have waypoints adjacent to a station
12:20	<Wolf01>	or at least use my split stations patch
12:20	<@Bjarni>	so to make waypoints of more than one tile will demand a complete deresign of the waypoint code
12:20	<@Bjarni>	*redesign
12:21	<hylje>	improve station code to let stations be next to each other, then make waypoints a class of station
12:21	<Noldo>	how to make the difference between a new station and an addition to the old one?
12:22	<@Bjarni>	that will be a complete redesign of the waypoint code ;)
12:22	<Wolf01>	easy
12:22	<Wolf01>	i did it
12:22	<Wolf01>	with 2 lines
12:22	<Wolf01>	one of them was a comment
12:22	<hylje>	ottd needs context popup menus
12:22	<hylje>	which pop up exactly where the cursor is
12:22	<@Bjarni>	btw the station code isn't object orientated, so there is no station class
12:22	<hylje>	let me rephrase
12:23	<hylje>	type of station
12:23	<peter1138>	Bjarni: Station...
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12:23	<@Bjarni>	it's a struct, not a class and we don't use it with the new keyword
12:23	<Wolf01>	i just changed the line "if (i can't build here a station because there is one adjacent)" to if (_ctrl_pressed) build_the_station else give_error
12:24	<@Bjarni>	(yes, I know that structs and classes are pretty similar)
12:24	<hylje>	structs are classes with no methods?
12:24	<@Bjarni>	structs can have methods
12:24	<hylje>	omg what has science done
12:24	<peter1138>	Bjarni: what's Station *st = new (index) Station(); then?
12:25	<@Bjarni>	Wolf01: imagine if you have two stations next to each other and you extend the station in a tile that's next to both of them.... which one will you be added to?
12:25	<Noldo>	structs are classes with default public compared to class private
12:25	<@Bjarni>	peter1138: where did we get that line?
12:25	<hylje>	Bjarni: guess!
12:26	<@Bjarni>	widgets.cpp?
12:26	<@Bjarni>	:p
12:26	<Wolf01>	bjarni: with ctrl you can create only new stations, not extend existing :P
12:26	<@Bjarni>	I know
12:27	<@Bjarni>	but you misunderstood my question
12:27	<@Bjarni>	you have two stations next to each other
12:27	<Wolf01>	you can't..
12:27	<@Bjarni>	<Wolf01> i just changed the line "if (i can't build here a station because there is one adjacent)" to if (_ctrl_pressed) build_the_station else give_error
12:28	<@Bjarni>	say we code this
12:28	<@Bjarni>	then you can
12:28	<@Bjarni>	what if you want to extend station A to a tile, that's also next to B?
12:28	<@Bjarni>	how will you be able to do that and inform the game that you want it to be part of A and not B?
12:28	<Wolf01>	it popups the "adjacent to 2 different stations" error
12:28	<@Bjarni>	and how will you easily tell what tile belongs to what station?
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12:29	<hylje>	by selecting it
12:29	<@Bjarni>	if it's common to have stations next to each other (like when using waypoints), then it would not be ideal to click them all the time to make sure
12:30	<@Bjarni>	we should have some sort of "station boarder" or something
12:30	<dihedral>	does openttd dedicated server read the config file again when starting a new game
12:30	<Wolf01>	do you want to try? i'll send you the patch
12:31	<peter1138>	dihedral: no
12:32	<dihedral>	so there is no way i could make changes for the next game in advanced
12:32	<dihedral>	say changing from tropical to arctic
12:32	<@Bjarni>	Wolf01: not right now
12:33	<dihedral>	would it be a lot of work to make it re-read the config file before each new game?
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12:49	<Wolf01>	Bjarni, tell me when you want the patch... or maybe i can paste here the link directly
12:55	<Ailure>	My mind
12:55	<Ailure>	ITS
12:55	<Ailure>	DANCING
12:55	<Ailure>	and fuck it's the wrong channel
12:55	<hylje>	what
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12:55	<Ailure>	xD
12:55	<Ailure>	Emulation community injoke
12:55	<hylje>	furries are weird
12:55	<Ailure>	kinda
12:55	<Ailure>	there's a ROM called Mario movie
12:55	<Ailure>	that someone programmed
12:56	<Ailure>	http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/Things_I_Made_in_2005/super_mario_movie.html
12:56	<Ailure>	that movie
12:56	<Ailure>	Runs in a emulator
12:56	<Ailure>	it's tripppy
12:57	<hylje>	i dun has soundcard
12:57	<Ailure>	bah
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12:57	<Ailure>	half the fun is the trippy music
12:58	<Ailure>	;P
12:58	<Ailure>	which is basically glitching of the poor NES soundchip
12:58	<hylje>	glitches ftw
12:59	<hylje>	wild missingno appeared!
12:59	<Ailure>	well heh
12:59	<Ailure>	I ROM hack sometimes :P
13:00	<Ailure>	And ROM hackers see lots of fun glitches
13:00	<Ailure>	especialy trippy ones
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13:29	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: miham * r9724 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files):
13:29	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-27 20:28:02
13:29	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: american - 2 fixed by WhiteRabbit (2)
13:29	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 2 fixed by fukumori (2)
13:29	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: russian - 10 changed by HMage (10)
13:29	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: ukrainian - 1 changed by mad (1)
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14:09	<Wolf01>	as bjarni seem away http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/ctrl_split_stations.diff self meaning filename, if somebody want to try
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14:47	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9725 /trunk/src/airport_movement.h: -Fix [FS#743]: plane made a 270 degree turn instead of a 90 degree turn on take off from the southern runway.
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15:01	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9726 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#738]: crash when destroying bridge with train partially one it.
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15:04	<Wolf01>	yeah, i found my old topic about the split station patch :D
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15:05	<peter1138>	what is it?
15:05	<peter1138>	ah
15:05	<Wolf01>	http://www.tt-forums.net//files/06_981.png
15:05	<peter1138>	totally bad
15:05	<peter1138>	won't work in multiplayer
15:06	<hylje>	how so
15:06	<peter1138>	well
15:06	<peter1138>	you can't use _ctrl_pressed inside a Cmd...()
15:06	<peter1138>	because it's different for each client and the server
15:06	<peter1138>	usually false...
15:07	<Wolf01>	my patch is only a preview, needs to be reworked totally
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15:47	<Wolf01>	peter1138, the code is very bad, but what you think about the idea?
15:48	<peter1138>	dunno if it should apply to opponents
15:49	<Wolf01>	i always wondered why is not possible to place different stations adjacent, is so comfortable in locomotion
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15:51	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9727 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Fix (r8546): Company password field in network player info was inverted.
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16:27	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: glx * r9728 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp:
16:27	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Fix r9086: [win32] For some keyboard layout the 'console' key is a dead-key. It
16:27	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: needs to be pressed twice to have an effect but the console is then opened and
16:27	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: closed on the 'same' keypress (2 WM_CHAR events). So skip the first WM_CHAR
16:27	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: generated to restore the 'console' key functionality.
16:29	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9729 /trunk/src/ (heightmap.cpp map.cpp map.h rail_map.h tunnel_map.h): -Documentation: add some documentation in various places
16:35	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9730 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf.h road_cmd.cpp): -Feature: [NewGRF] Add support for miscellaneous grf feature bit 1 - paved roads on desert tiles.
16:36	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	that message took a while to parse
16:38	<Maedhros>	yeah, it's not my clearest commit message ever
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17:02	<Wolf01>	'night
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17:29	<Sacro>	!logs
17:29	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
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18:44	<elmex_>	wow
18:44	<elmex_>	many users
18:45	<elmex_>	i've just found this game today, it's really good to see such a game being free software now :-)
18:45	<+glx>	you still need original graphics and sounds so it's not totally free
18:47	<elmex_>	that unfortunately rigt
18:47	<elmex_>	ht
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