TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:04:25

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03:34	<TheJosh>	Hey
03:35	<TheJosh>	Ok i have a quick questiong
03:36	<TheJosh>	If one client uses the command Random() and another does not, you get a desync right?
03:36	<TheJosh>	Is there a Random() function I can use that uses a different seed or something so I dont get desyncs?
03:38	<peter1138>	InteractiveRandom()
03:38	<Rubidium>	I said that yesterday ;)
03:38	<peter1138>	supply townnameparts via the command? hmm
03:38	<TheJosh>	yup
03:39	<peter1138>	will need to test, in the command, if the produced town name is unique, but nothing major
03:39	<TheJosh>	I have forked the old CmdBuildTown to CmdFundTown, so i can have different params
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03:40	<TheJosh>	works
03:41	<TheJosh>	thanks
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06:34	<HMage>	!log
06:34	<HMage>	!logs
06:34	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
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06:52	<Chrissicom>	hi there
06:52	<Chrissicom>	would be nice if somebody can help with this issue: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=579103#579103 :)
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06:57	<Ailure>	hello romhacking
06:57	<Ailure>	eh
06:57	<Ailure>	stupid mIRC
07:02	<peter1138>	yup
07:02	<peter1138>	Chrissicom: the patch is far too old, so i wouldn't bother
07:04	<Chrissicom>	:(
07:04	<Chrissicom>	well all the other stuff worked
07:04	<Chrissicom>	and settings.c and settings_gui.c is only the display stuff in the patch window
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07:04	<Chrissicom>	so I thought the code could be adapted
07:04	<Chrissicom>	is there a new planespeed patch maybe?
07:05	<peter1138>	heh, for a quick 'fix' in 0.5, aircraft_cmd.c:2053
07:05	<peter1138>	multiply the 6 by planespeed
07:05	<peter1138>	so "full speed" is 24
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07:08	<Chrissicom>	oh nice :)
07:08	<Chrissicom>	thx
07:08	<Chrissicom>	a quick 'fix' is enough as I just want it for multiplayer with my brother =D
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07:18	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	you might as well use the nightly then
07:19	<peter1138>	nah, who wants all those useless features
07:20	<Chrissicom>	has the current nightly real plane speed?
07:21	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yes
07:24	<peter1138>	complete with buggy landing
07:24	<Chrissicom>	lol
07:24	<Chrissicom>	well I am just trying your quick fix peter
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07:29	<Chrissicom>	hmmm well....
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07:29	<Chrissicom>	they have nice speeds in the air now but they are way too fast when landed on an airport lol
07:30	<Chrissicom>	maybe I try something between 6 and 24
07:32	<Chrissicom>	can I change their in air speed somehow only?
07:33	<peter1138>	yeah
07:33	<peter1138>	well
07:33	<peter1138>	the nightlies don't have that problem
07:34	<Chrissicom>	and what's the buggy stuff you mentioned about landing before?
07:41	<Chrissicom>	hmmm they seem to fast on the runway, airport in the nightly as well
07:41	<Chrissicom>	the changed air speed is very good tho :)
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07:44	<TheJosh>	Hey all
07:44	<Chrissicom>	cooool you can build bridges over diagonal railways in the nightly :D
07:44	<TheJosh>	nicd
07:44	<Chrissicom>	why isn't that written in bold letters on the start page??? :D
07:44	<TheJosh>	nice
07:45	<TheJosh>	Thats cool!
07:46	<Chrissicom>	now I just need to make the days longer and the game is perfect :D
07:46	<TheJosh>	ok what are peoples opinion of the following idea? I am currently making a 'found a town' patch, but should towns that have been founded by a player have some player data associated with them, so a town would be recorded as being founded by player x
07:46	<HMage>	TheJosh: I guess it shouldn't.
07:47	<peter1138>	probably no
07:47	<Chrissicom>	I agree
07:47	<peter1138>	you could automatically give exclusive transport rights though, or something
07:47	<peter1138>	(for 1 year)
07:47	<Chrissicom>	nah, that would suck in multiplayer imho
07:47	<peter1138>	might not be worth it, as that can be done anyway
07:48	<Chrissicom>	instead there should be an option to prohibit buying exclusive transport rights
07:48	<HMage>	TheJosh: did you come down with what price should be for funding the town?
07:50	<TheJosh>	Currently the price is $7,500,000 which is i dont know how many pounds
07:50	<HMage>	divide by 2
07:51	<TheJosh>	the code says 5 million, but that must not be pounds, or my cost would be $10mill
07:51	<TheJosh>	3,750,000 pounds
07:52	<Phazorx>	you can fund a new town?
07:52	<Phazorx>	morning
07:52	<TheJosh>	yes it is working, and I got network working today
07:52	<HMage>	as far as I remember, the game uses pounds. Your price might be influenced by inflation
07:53	<TheJosh>	it doesnt inflate very much in the first 10 seconds though
07:53	<TheJosh>	or about as long as it takes to press ctrl-shift-c and click the top button
07:53	<TheJosh>	ctl-alt-c, my bad
07:54	<Phazorx>	question for whoever is responsible for that part - in case of cargo transfer, does it counts as many times as it has beentransfered towards total amount of transfered goods per time? (as shown in stats)
07:55	<TheJosh>	i like the option of automatically giveing exclusive transport for a year
07:55	<HMage>	TheJosh: I mean, check the base price for funding a power plant, for example.
07:55	<HMage>	it should have the same tendency
07:56	<TheJosh>	is $7.5mill enough? or too much
07:56	<HMage>	should be more costly than a power plant for sure
07:56	<TheJosh>	more expensive than an oil joint (few mill), but cheaper than a raw-producing industry (10mill easily)
07:57	<Phazorx>	that is like a raw industry since it provides transferable goods :)
07:57	<HMage>	my opinion that is should be more than raw-producing industry
07:58	<@Belugas>	hello
07:58	<TheJosh>	although we could all play my slightly modified patch I made for network testing that puts the price at $1000 he he he
07:58	<HMage>	since you have to set up an infrastructure for a _town_
07:58	<Phazorx>	/agree with HMage
07:58	<Phazorx>	it is very lucrative industry too, which enhances itself over time and produces and consumes few types of cargo
07:59	<Phazorx>	will "originator" own roads there btw?
07:59	<Chrissicom>	hmmm how can I change the version number in the source of the latest nightly?
07:59	<Chrissicom>	it doesn't seem to be in network.c(pp) anymore
08:00	<TheJosh>	rev.cpp i think
08:01	<TheJosh>	Phazorx: dont know, will test
08:01	<Phazorx>	kk. just curious :)
08:02	<Phazorx>	and i really want to know about transfer cargo counter
08:02	<Chrissicom>	hmm there's no such file sorry
08:02	<Phazorx>	i can test or look at the code... but my question is more about how it was planned
08:02	<TheJosh>	Chrissicom: nightly version numbers are automatic
08:03	<TheJosh>	Phazorx: the roads are town owned. The code is basically a modified version of the code used for the scenario editor
08:03	<Chrissicom>	aha, but somehow they need to be generated when compiling?
08:03	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	the version naming is automatic only if you use make and have the command line svn client installed
08:03	<Phazorx>	TheJosh: i see, it would make sense to own roads
08:03	<Chrissicom>	ah ic
08:03	<Chrissicom>	well then I'll just leave the version number
08:04	<TheJosh>	Chrissicom: all i know is when you compile a nightly you have changed, a 'M' is appeneded to the end of it...as a result, so my sister could play ottd with me todya, we added a single comment to a source, to give her a 'M'
08:04	<Chrissicom>	haha
08:04	<TheJosh>	Phazorx: thus leading back to the 'who founded this town' question I started with
08:04	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	a space would have done...
08:05	<Phazorx>	TheJosh: i missed the beggining of conversation i guess
08:06	<TheJosh>	Phazorx: I was wondering, coz ive gotta do a savegame bump anyway, if i should store in the town structure who founded the town if it was founded by a player,
08:06	<Phazorx>	and i guess there should be some credit to builder for town as well as for industry
08:06	<TheJosh>	it would have no game significance, other than to show in the town info thingo
08:07	<TheJosh>	although i just thought perhaps the town founder could begin with a better-than-average rating
08:07	<Phazorx>	well... perhaps later it would gain some sense... like with paxdest
08:07	<TheJosh>	paxdest?
08:07	<Phazorx>	that would make sense too
08:07	<Phazorx>	passenger destinations
08:07	<TheJosh>	what is paxdest?
08:07	<TheJosh>	ah ok
08:08	<TheJosh>	i was just thinking it would be cool to see 'Rinfield Transport' or whoever im playing as on the towns I make
08:08	<TheJosh>	then some people had some suggestions to benifits to founding a town
08:08	<Chrissicom>	am I correct that when I set day_ticks to 405 one year will be 3 hours in real time?
08:08	<TheJosh>	that is slow
08:09	<Chrissicom>	I want it slow :p
08:09	<TheJosh>	make it 4500!
08:09	<TheJosh>	make it real time (1 game day = 1 real day)
08:09	<Phazorx>	TheJosh: yup, it would make sense for sure, like roads statue of owner, rates etc
08:09	<Phazorx>	Chrissicom: can you kae it as configurable patch variable?
08:09	<Chrissicom>	hehe ;) that'd be a little too slow
08:09	<Phazorx>	cuz that is an interesting feature
08:09	<Phazorx>	i think the gametime advances too fast
08:09	<Chrissicom>	yeah it's in the miniin and I love it
08:10	<TheJosh>	Chrissicom: make it slower than real time, so we get plenty of strategy time
08:10	<Phazorx>	oh.. cool
08:10	<TheJosh>	hasnt MiniIN been cancelled for months now?
08:10	<Chrissicom>	but I want to implement it in a way so the industry production is displayed different
08:10	<Chrissicom>	TheJosh: Why not allowing to build while pausing the game ;)
08:10	<Chrissicom>	the miniin has one "bug" with the day patch
08:11	<Chrissicom>	on 1st of February the production of industries jumps to high levels
08:11	<Phazorx>	is it possible to associate cargo production with realtime rather than game time?
08:11	<Chrissicom>	because the industry has produced more in a month due to slower days of course
08:11	<TheJosh>	Make it 2 physical days for every 1 virtual days
08:11	<Phazorx>	or have a varibale that controls the ratio?
08:11	<Chrissicom>	I don't want this to happen tho, because I am used to the amounts in the game now and know how many trains I need etc.
08:12	<Chrissicom>	so I want the days to pass slower and industry display the production of the last 5 days e.g. when the days take 6 times as long as they do now
08:12	<Chrissicom>	so that industry production levels will show the numbers we're used to now
08:14	<TheJosh>	Phazorx: Thanks for your discussion
08:14	<TheJosh>	Phazorx: I think i will implement _something_ special for the town founder
08:14	<Chrissicom>	Phazorx: What do you mean by making cargo production real time?
08:14	<Chrissicom>	I mean if an industry would actually produce only 500 tons in a real month you couldn't play much
08:15	<Phazorx>	industry produces some amount of cargo per game month i take
08:15	<Phazorx>	so if you increase gameday to take more time - it would appear as it producing less over real time
08:15	<Phazorx>	so mopre time for building but slower game overall
08:16	<Chrissicom>	ah ok now I've got what you mean :)
08:16	<Chrissicom>	I would need to look at the code for that, if I need to code too much new stuff I'll fail :p
08:16	<Phazorx>	i was thinking more of having same kinds of trains and developed network
08:16	<Chrissicom>	I am only good at programming stuff I have templates for :D
08:17	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	<Phazorx> and i guess there should be some credit to builder for town <- you could automatically place a statue of founder
08:17	<TheJosh>	Just make it all optional Chrissicom, i liek a fast game
08:18	<Phazorx>	Eddi\|zuHause2: that's what i suggested
08:19	<Phazorx>	along with roads and better rating and perhaps better chances of getting something (like bribing)
08:19	<Chrissicom>	http://ttdlxhq.raysworld.ch/page/index.php < haha look at the top post, I think bridges for ships are really wayyyyy too unrealistic :D
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10:30	<Chris[Working]>	how can I create a .patch file with TortoiseSVN with files from different locations?
10:30	<Chris[Working]>	it doesn't seem to allow me to choose files from different folders at the same time
10:31	<Sacro>	you can't
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10:41	<@Belugas>	Chris[Working], are they on subfolders sharing the same root?
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10:41	<@Belugas>	like trunk/src, trunk/src/table etc...
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10:46	<Trapdoor>	hey
10:46	<peter1138>	DON'T YOU OPEN THAT
10:46	<Trapdoor>	why do i need SDL if im just compiling the server on linux? :\
10:46	<peter1138>	because you didn't tell it you were compiling a dedicated server
10:46	<Trapdoor>	how do i tell it im compiling a dedicated server?
10:47	<peter1138>	probably add --enable-dedicated to the configure command
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10:47	<Trapdoor>	ooh right
10:47	<Trapdoor>	now i see
10:47	<Trapdoor>	my god you're right
10:47	<Trapdoor>	i didnt care to check ./configure --help
10:47	<Trapdoor>	5 golden dubloons to you good sir
10:48	<Trapdoor>	also i was wondering.. how do i "compile" or "make" it into another directory?
10:52	<Trapdoor>	oh right
10:52	<Trapdoor>	make with a target
10:52	<Trapdoor>	that didnt work
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11:20	<Sacro>	that daylength patch looks awfully similar to mine
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11:25	<Sacro>	actually it does less than Wolf01's version
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11:28	<Chris[Working]>	what if I want to fix a bug from the bug list, where can I submit the .patch file? post it in dev forum?
11:29	<@Belugas>	you can show it in here
11:30	<@Belugas>	or use bugs.openttd.org
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11:31	<Chris[Working]>	kk :) it was only a hypothetical question for now tho ;) gotta see if I can fix it first tho
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11:41	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	if the patch is related to an existing bug report, you probably should just reply to that report with the attachment
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11:59	<ln->	now that mr. D and mr. T don't seem to actively involved with the development, is it actually possible to get patches accepted?
12:02	<@Belugas>	ho... we've stopped integrating patches??
12:02	<@Belugas>	sad to hear that
12:02	<Sacro>	Belugas: no, we have started :p
12:03	<@Belugas>	:)
12:03	<@Belugas>	ln-, nothing has really changed.
12:04	<ln->	ok, so it's still virtually impossible.
12:04	<@Belugas>	patches have to be good, and on more then one level
12:04	<@Belugas>	shut up
12:04	<@Belugas>	this is not MiniIN
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12:05	<TrueBrain>	Belugas: don't make it your life motto :)
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12:05	<ln->	Belugas: it took something like three months to get a <20-line bugfix patch accepted. one that fixed a problem that had existed in the mac port from the very beginning.
12:05	<dihedral>	hello
12:05	<TrueBrain>	hi dihedral
12:05	<dihedral>	i am working on it :-)
12:05	<dihedral>	just to feed any possible curiosity
12:06	<TrueBrain>	"it", sounds like an interested thing
12:06	<Rubidium>	ln-: isn't that primarily Bjarni not doing his job?
12:06	<dihedral>	openttd.inc.php
12:06	<TrueBrain>	dihedral: ah ;)
12:06	<dihedral>	Rubidium: you remember the private message thing from yesterday?
12:07	<dihedral>	just tested it at a client id of slightly above 300
12:07	<dihedral>	fails there already
12:07	<ln->	Rubidium: not really.. well, he kind of didn't dare to commit it.
12:08	<Rubidium>	dihedral: no, nor did my logs remember it
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12:08	<dihedral>	hmmm - perhaps it was the day before yesterday :-)
12:09	<dihedral>	anyhow - private messaging fails after a few games
12:09	<Rubidium>	well, my logs don't remember any private message from you
12:09	<ln->	and then, a pretty simple town name patch took a few months to get accepted as well. it could have been committed by anyone, but no one had time, and eventually it was Bjarni who committed it.
12:09	<dihedral>	in game private messaging
12:10	<Rubidium>	ln-: must be way before I even knew OpenTTD, so I can't judge about that
12:10	<Rubidium>	dihedral: in game?
12:10	<dihedral>	sending a private message in the game called openttd
12:10	[~]	Rubidium doesn't remember playing any openttd for the last week or so
12:11	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: you were that drunk? :p
12:11	<dihedral>	but does Rubidium remember openttd at least
12:12	<Rubidium>	TrueBrain: me drunk?
12:12	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: you are never?
12:12	<Rubidium>	basically
12:12	[~]	Sacro ponders if theres an italian around
12:13	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: poor you :p
12:13	<dihedral>	anyhow
12:13	<Rubidium>	didn't say I don't drink
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12:13	<TrueBrain>	pfew ;)
12:13	<dihedral>	private messaging a player in the game seems to fail as of some time
12:13	<Rubidium>	anyway, haven't taken anything alcoholic last weeks...
12:13	<TrueBrain>	so it couldn't be that ;)
12:14	<Rubidium>	apparantly when client IDs >= 256?
12:14	<dihedral>	i bet fixing that should not be a huge problem
12:14	<Rubidium>	nope
12:15	<Rubidium>	fixing is probably very easy
12:15	<Rubidium>	locating the place that needs to be fixed is something completely different
12:15	<@Belugas>	ln-, sorry, i overreacted. i'm just frustrated of people always begging to have their patches getting in, as if it was the last best thing ever
12:16	<dihedral>	Belugas: it might be to those writing the patches :-P
12:16	<dihedral>	Rubidium: any way i could help fixing the prob?
12:16	<Rubidium>	not to mention people saying it is tested by 'lots of people' and it works, while it desyncs like hell
12:16	<dihedral>	lol
12:16	<Rubidium>	dihedral: if you know your way around in the network code
12:17	<dihedral>	i can only promise to have a look and try
12:17	<TrueBrain>	p->Send_uint8 (dest); <- something like that? :p
12:17	<dihedral>	yeah
12:17	<Rubidium>	_if_ dest is the client_id that is the problem
12:17	<dihedral>	:-)
12:17	<TrueBrain>	it is claimed as " // uint8: Destination Player (1..MAX_PLAYERS)"
12:17	<Rubidium>	but... it sends also whether it is broadcast, team or private
12:18	<Rubidium>	anyhow, I think that part of the code needs some reviewing
12:18	<TrueBrain>	implement a better chat system while doing ;)
12:18	<dihedral>	what about freeing client id's?
12:18	<Rubidium>	but I'm first going to feed myself ;)
12:18	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: sounds like a perfect idea :)
12:18	<dihedral>	TrueBrain: Feeding Rubidium a good ieda?
12:19	<TrueBrain>	him feeding himself, yes
12:19	<dihedral>	lol
12:19	<dihedral>	what about this example
12:19	<dihedral>	client with id 5 leaves
12:19	<dihedral>	client joins, gets id 5
12:19	<TrueBrain>	dihedral: it is much more safe and useful if the clients only increase
12:19	<TrueBrain>	say you ban player #5
12:19	<TrueBrain>	and someone else joins
12:20	<TrueBrain>	and you think: he, he isn't banned, and ban the new player
12:20	<TrueBrain>	one of the many examples :)
12:20	<dihedral>	the ban list does not hold the id's but the ip's
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12:20	<dihedral>	but i get your point
12:20	<TrueBrain>	:)
12:20	<TrueBrain>	ban #5 should ban player 5, and his IP :p
12:20	<dihedral>	though you will run into issues
12:20	<dihedral>	with constantly increasing client id's
12:21	<dihedral>	what about setting clientid's back to 0 after a 'newgame' has been issued?
12:21	<dihedral>	or generally only count for the running game
12:21	<TrueBrain>	dihedral: does it really matter :)
12:21	<dihedral>	yes
12:21	<dihedral>	because then problems like with the private messaging would not occure
12:21	<TrueBrain>	haha, what if 256 clients join in a single run? :p
12:21	<TrueBrain>	you just delay the problem :)
12:22	<dihedral>	ok
12:22	<dihedral>	get you point
12:22	<TrueBrain>	Rubidium: the 'dest' is the problem, it is sent as uint8, but it used as client_id
12:22	<dihedral>	again
12:22	<TrueBrain>	network_server.cpp:1034
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12:22	<TrueBrain>	via network_server.cpp:1123
12:22	<TrueBrain>	via network_client.cpp:195
12:23	<TrueBrain>	2 places to change, should solve it :)
12:23	<dihedral>	but you will want id's to easily reach a few thousand
12:23	<TrueBrain>	so indeed, small fix ;)
12:23	<dihedral>	you gonna do it?
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12:24	<TrueBrain>	http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/chat_uint8.patch <- just needs testing ;)
12:25	<dihedral>	can i patch braches/0.5 with that
12:25	<TrueBrain>	not directly
12:25	<TrueBrain>	one sec
12:25	<dihedral>	does not matter anyhow - i dont have a compiler for windows
12:25	<dihedral>	i could only open up a patched server
12:26	<TrueBrain>	get mingw ;)
12:26	<dihedral>	ok
12:26	<dihedral>	or howabout you make a binary for me and i test it :-)
12:27	<TrueBrain>	I aint touching windows
12:27	<TrueBrain>	http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/chat_uint8_0.5.patch <- applies to 0.5 branch
12:27	<dihedral>	sweet
12:27	<dihedral>	i'll get right to it
12:28	<dihedral>	you only touch linux then eh? or mac's too
12:28	<TrueBrain>	I am sure Rubidium will also test the patch to make sure it works :)
12:28	<TrueBrain>	if he has the time that is, real life is a bitch
12:28	<TrueBrain>	dihedral: I only have a linux workstation
12:28	<dihedral>	lol
12:28	<dihedral>	i have a windows gaming workstation
12:28	<dihedral>	well
12:29	<TrueBrain>	I game on my XBox
12:29	<TrueBrain>	hmm, we should port OpenTTD to that :p
12:29	<dihedral>	yuck
12:29	<dihedral>	:-D
12:31	<dihedral>	another q for you guys
12:32	<dihedral>	would it be an idea to be able to execute rcon commands when not connected to the game
12:32	<TrueBrain>	"Combined with an active membership in the XNA Creators Club (available from Xbox Live Marketplace), you can also create, debug, and play games on your Xbox 360 console." <- I hate MS
12:32	<TrueBrain>	dihedral: it was once planned, nobody created it :p
12:33	<TrueBrain>	oh well, if NoAI is ever merged, we get SQ as default script language, so we can hook up the console to it, making the console more powerful (scriptable), and then that is a small step ;)
12:33	<dihedral>	i am not sure, but currently i though the server only accepted rcons from connected clients
12:33	<Phazorx>	where is amount of transfered cargo per quarter/year is calculated?
12:33	<TrueBrain>	dihedral: they do
12:34	<dihedral>	another thing would be to stop reading stdin and writing to stdout, perhaps with --quite
12:34	<dihedral>	and writing and reading from another socket
12:35	<dihedral>	*from = to/from
12:35	<TrueBrain>	make a draft of suggestion :)
12:35	<TrueBrain>	+this
12:35	<dihedral>	a draft as in - write something on paper
12:35	<dihedral>	not a draft as in - code it
12:35	<TrueBrain>	or a summary on the forum
12:35	<TrueBrain>	no, drafts are rarely code
12:35	<TrueBrain>	else it wouldn't be a draft :p
12:36	<dihedral>	good
12:36	<dihedral>	i am unfamiliar with c
12:38	<dihedral>	at least with as much c as i would need to write some socket or fifo file stuff
12:38	<dihedral>	another thing
12:39	<dihedral>	as threads would be a nice idea
12:39	<dihedral>	for the game
12:39	<dihedral>	but a lot of work to implement
12:39	<dihedral>	would it not be a good idea to at least get the dedicated server to thread
12:40	<TrueBrain>	got to go, sorry :)
12:40	<dihedral>	have fun
12:40	<dihedral>	i shall bother you another time :-D
12:40	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: glx * r9716 /trunk/src/ (network/network.cpp settings.cpp): -Add: server_lang in [network] section of openttd.cfg, so dedicated servers can have the little lang flag.
12:40	<Sacro>	:D YAY FOR THE FLAG
12:41	<ln->	and what flags are there?
12:42	<+glx>	ANY\|ENGLISH\|GERMAN\|FRENCH
12:42	<+glx>	same as non dedicated servers
12:42	<ln->	i thought there are more languages in the world than those
12:42	<dihedral>	no - got the wrong world there mate
12:43	<ln->	how do you pick a flag for a language?
12:43	<dihedral>	thumb and index finger
12:43	<dihedral>	unless it is a very big flag
12:44	<+glx>	ln-: they are in openttd.grf (and we only have those 3 flags)
12:45	<ln->	i'm saying there is no 1:1 correspondence between languages and flags.
12:45	<peter1138>	ln-, only you brought up languages :p
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12:48	<eJoJ>	Does it exist any uppdateded howtos to compile with free software under windows?
12:49	[~]	Zuu just wrote an almost useless middle button scroll emulation patch, probably only usefull for him.
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12:49	<food>	hi dihedral, hi others
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12:50	<Sjoerd->	those 0.5.0 screenshots on the openttd website are great
12:51	<Rubidium>	eJoJ: the wiki?
12:52	<Rubidium>	(or are those too updated, i.e. they don't apply to 0.5.1?)
12:52	<eJoJ>	this does the wiki say : Source tested: OTTD r1238.
12:52	<+glx>	mingw howto is not up to date for trunk, it even miss freetype for 0.5.0
12:52	<eJoJ>	rather old info
12:53	<Sjoerd->	nooooooooo my house is on fire!!! PLease HELP ALLMIGHT DEVS!! :( ?
12:53	<Sjoerd->	-allmighty-
12:54	<Rubidium>	TrueBrain: your patch doesn't work
12:54	<dihedral>	oh no
12:54	<dihedral>	why is that Rubidium
12:54	<Rubidium>	well, because I can't get private messages with client IDs > 300
12:55	<dihedral>	lol
12:55	<dihedral>	so at least we got from 256 to 300 right :-P
12:55	<Rubidium>	probably not
12:55	<dihedral>	missing a couple of thousand there
12:56	<Digitalfox[Home]>	"nooooooooo my house is on fire!!! PLease HELP ALLMIGHT DEVS!! :( ?" What???
12:56	<dihedral>	shoot
12:57	<dihedral>	so what could the reason be Rubidium for it not working if not that?
12:57	<Rubidium>	more cases where uint8's are sent instead of uint16's probably
12:58	<dihedral>	for a chat message?
12:59	<Sjoerd->	Q: Is there some place with all or close to all information about growing towns? There is some in the Towns article on wiki but very limited.
13:00	<Sjoerd->	I have too, searched the forums, but nobody seems to really know how stuff works :)
13:05	<@Belugas>	the town_cmd.cpp file is the best place for it, but i don't think that is waht you're looking for, Sjoerd-
13:05	<@Belugas>	what exactly are you looking for?
13:06	<Sjoerd->	Everything, for example, if it makes a difference if I bring 100 goods a month or 1000000000 goods a month.
13:07	<Sjoerd->	And also, if the towns just expand the way they like, and in particular around stations/bus stops.
13:08	<Sjoerd->	If it makes a difference how much trains/busses visit a town or only how much passengers they take with them and/or bring.
13:09	<Rubidium>	dihedral/TrueBrain: the client index gets already truncated when clicking the 'private message' button...
13:09	<@Belugas>	meeeeh...
13:10	<dihedral>	wow
13:10	<dihedral>	now that is odd
13:11	<dihedral>	so does that mean that the ded-server can send pm's just not the clients?
13:11	<dihedral>	or should it still work when i use the console from the client?
13:11	<Rubidium>	don't know, but that might be true
13:12	<dihedral>	how about i go test it
13:12	<Sjoerd->	I think specs can't send pm's, not sure if it's related in any way.
13:13	<@Belugas>	Sjoerd- about your questions, it really means going in the code and checking
13:13	<@Belugas>	out of memeory, i cannot answer
13:13	<@Belugas>	and i doubt any wiki page has those informations
13:14	<Sjoerd->	I'm currently trying to make sense of the code :)
13:14	<Sjoerd->	Thanks for pointing me to the correct file.
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13:15	<Sjoerd->	It's not the end of the world not to know these things, but I'm curious, and maybe I could use it to improve the wikipedia article.
13:16	<dihedral>	Rubidium: just tested it
13:16	<dihedral>	does not work as a client running say_client
13:16	<dihedral>	but works from the console of a dedicated server
13:16	<dihedral>	running 5.1 that is
13:16	<Rubidium>	one thing I can tell, that's that towns do grow 'randomly', i.e. they do not grow faster around services stations
13:16	<Rubidium>	why is '0.' so hard to type?
13:17	<dihedral>	:-)
13:17	<dihedral>	it's not hard, just takes more time
13:17	<Rubidium>	or you're a Java freak (though then it's 1.5.0 vs. 5.0)
13:22	<dihedral>	actually i should have put .5.0
13:22	<dihedral>	sorry - .5.1
13:22	<dihedral>	and i am not a java freak - not yet at least
13:22	<Zuu>	dihedral: skip qwerty and get a decent keyboard layout with the dot on the left side :)
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13:23	<Zuu>	Then 0. will not get that hard to type :)
13:23	<dihedral>	like i said - it aint hard to type
13:23	<dihedral>	just takes time
13:23	<@Belugas>	Sjoerd-, it iw a good initiative, to extract those informations. Those type of questions have frequently been asked
13:23	<dihedral>	using the shift key takes more time
13:23	<dihedral>	too
13:24	<Zuu>	using the same hand for both 0 and dot takes more time than hand alteration. :)
13:24	<Rubidium>	dihedral:sowejustskipspacesasthatsavestimetotypeandalsocapitalsandinterpunctionbecausethattakeslesstime
13:24	<Sjoerd->	lol
13:24	<dihedral>	yeah but then reading it takes more time too
13:24	<dihedral>	a lot more time
13:24	<dihedral>	lol
13:25	<dihedral>	but to be honest, women have even perfected their way of talking without breathing :-D
13:27	<dihedral>	and that is even harder to follow than that sentence with no spaces
13:27	<Sacro>	Rubidium: atLeastCanYouTypeInCamelCaseItMakesItALotEasierToRead
13:28	<dihedral>	Sacro: shift key again - wasts soooo much time
13:28	<Sjoerd->	cn y rd ths?
13:28	<dihedral>	fnny
13:28	<Sacro>	dihedral: really?
13:28	<Rubidium>	Sacro: his point was that using shift (and thus most of the interpunction) takes 'too' much time
13:28	<Sacro>	can't say i notice much difference
13:29	<dihedral>	:-)
13:29	<dihedral>	i aint really being serious
13:29	<Sacro>	and smiliys are quick too ?
13:29	<dihedral>	just in case you have not noticed
13:29	<dihedral>	i always have a smiley in the clipboard
13:30	<dihedral>	ok
13:30	[~]	Zuu even made a macro for a smiley and enter in his keyboard.. :)
13:30	<dihedral>	enough of my silly talk
13:30	<Zuu>	But that was most because I had to have some use for that "key".
13:31	<dihedral>	the one under escape?
13:31	<dihedral>	no wonder you cannot open the console in a game
13:31	<dihedral>	:-D
13:31	<Zuu>	Nope, the one under my desk. :)
13:31	<Zuu>	aka the Pedal! :)
13:31	<dihedral>	hehe
13:31	<Zuu>	Quite useless thing I bought...
13:32	<Zuu>	Best use: pausing a movie while you are eating someting and don't want to touch the keyboard. :)
13:33	<Zuu>	And I don't watch anime anymore....
13:35	<dihedral>	lol
13:35	<Rubidium>	dihedral/TrueBrain: http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/network_chat_problem.diff seems to work for me in all scenarios I could think of
13:36	<dihedral>	would you be able to provide a patch against brances/0.5?
13:36	<dihedral>	or is it going to be included in the next release anyway then?
13:37	<Rubidium>	uhm, not directly I fear; I'm using OO in the patch
13:37	<dihedral>	OO?
13:37	<Rubidium>	object orientation
13:37	<dihedral>	ah
13:38	<dihedral>	it does look like a bigger patch than that of TrueBrain
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13:38	<dihedral>	any way this could be backported?
13:38	<Rubidium>	it's TrueBrain patch and much more
13:38	<Rubidium>	dihedral: well, I think it could be backported in some (more ugly) form
13:38	<@Bjarni>	!logs
13:39	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
13:39	<dihedral>	well
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13:40	<dihedral>	depending on the plans for 0.6 (please not the 0) it would not really matter
13:43	<dihedral>	i mean - it would not matter if it was backported a little dirty
14:15	[~]	boekabart is cleaning up his office in preparation of the visit of his in-laws. :(
14:18	<dihedral>	i am just happy that i am not married :-)
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14:19	<Rubidium>	staying at the office while your in-laws visi