TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:04:23

---	Log	opened Mon Apr 23 00:00:43 2007
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00:47	<boekabart_>	where can i find a log of this channel?
00:48	<boekabart_>	or : peter1138: can you give me a link again to your version of my patch? (@ another pc now)
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01:03	<boekabart_>	answer to my own question: http://thegrebs.com/irc/openttd-2007.html
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01:10	<SpComb>	boekabart_: !logs
01:10	<boekabart_>	!logs
01:10	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
01:11	<boekabart_>	apparently more than 1 site is logging :)
01:11	<SpComb>	I was the first one, though :P
01:11	<boekabart_>	hm, the thegrebs one is prettier :)
01:11	<SpComb>	423 days logged since Feb 25 2006
01:11	<SpComb>	I have a prettier version that works, but I haven't had the time to make it production-ready
01:12	<boekabart_>	totally unimportant anyway. Thanks, found the info i needed
01:12	<SpComb>	but I have had this big nagging feeling recently that I need to pick it up again and finish it off
01:14	[~]	peter1138 nags SpComb
01:14	<boekabart_>	look who's alive :)
01:14	<boekabart_>	peter1138: the link you sent me yesterday still points to your latest version?
01:15	<peter1138>	http://fuzzle.org/o/deepwater2.diff
01:15	<peter1138>	removes that bit you mentioned
01:15	<peter1138>	and adds transparency option
01:16	<boekabart_>	what's that option?
01:16	<boekabart_>	and what is the 'UI' for changing sea level?
01:17	<peter1138>	UI? you want a UI?
01:17	<peter1138>	i was just adjusting it with a debugger ;p
01:17	<peter1138>	but... easy to add it to the patches window
01:20	<boekabart_>	ok, just checking
01:20	<boekabart_>	wondered if i missed it :)
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01:20	<boekabart_>	i fixed bridge drawing
01:21	<peter1138>	was it broken?
01:21	<boekabart_>	well yes, it drew the pillars under water
01:24	<boekabart_>	well they were sorted out after
01:25	<boekabart_>	still, pixels for nothing
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01:48	<boekabart_>	if (GetMaxTileHeight(tile) <= _patches.sealevel + 1) break;
01:48	<boekabart_>	is not OK according to vs80
01:48	<boekabart_>	types are uint / uint8
01:48	<boekabart_>	but this IS ok:
01:48	<boekabart_>	if (GetMaxTileHeight(tile) <= _patches.sealevel) break;
01:49	<boekabart_>	apparently, unsigned char + 1 = int ?
01:49	<peter1138>	o_O
01:49	<peter1138>	+ 1U ?
01:49	<boekabart_>	yea, that helps
01:49	<boekabart_>	same thing with * TILE_HEIGHT
01:50	<boekabart_>	(uint)TILE_HEIGHT fixes that
01:50	<peter1138>	le sigh
01:54	<boekabart_>	what to do with building depots... only on 0-deep water?
01:54	<boekabart_>	sounds reasonable, doesn't it
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02:10	<peter1138>	yes
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02:10	[~]	peter1138 bahs at plane speed patch
02:11	<peter1138>	our taxi speed is reduced, so if i just /4 then taxiing takes days
02:11	<boekabart_>	peter1138: do you think it's a good idea to modify the GetSlopeZ_Water and GetSlopetileh_Water functions to return water level/slope instead of sea-floor slope?
02:11	<boekabart_>	it does fix the ship movements, but i'm not sure what it might break
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02:12	<peter1138>	i don't know
02:17	<boekabart_>	i like the transparent option :) but to call water a building....
02:19	<peter1138>	hmm?
02:19	<peter1138>	oh, the menu option, heh
02:19	<peter1138>	use the transparency toolbar
02:19	<peter1138>	press ^X
02:19	<roboboy>	or call it underwater view?
02:19	<roboboy>	like RCT
02:20	<peter1138>	08:07 < Tama00> lol
02:20	<roboboy>	so add it as an extra option?
02:20	<peter1138>	errr
02:20	<roboboy>	lol
02:20	<peter1138>	it is an extra option
02:20	<roboboy>	ok
02:20	<peter1138>	^8 toggles it, heh
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02:47	<peter1138>	time to put the coffee on
02:53	<SpComb>	time to reboot quakenet
02:58	<boekabart_>	what happens when a train depot with trains in it, is flooded?
02:58	<boekabart_>	everything gone?
03:07	<boekabart_>	peter1138: changing GetSlopeZ_Water influences too much.. better let ship controller call a specific GetSlopeZ_WaterSurface function
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03:13	<peter1138>	:/
03:13	<peter1138>	does it need it?
03:14	<peter1138>	can be fixed easily, i should think
03:15	<peter1138>	http://fuzzle.org/o/ships.diff ?
03:15	<peter1138>	hmmmmm
03:15	<peter1138>	no that won't do for low canals
03:16	<peter1138>	so just test if it's a canal first :D
03:16	<boekabart_>	i've fixed it already
03:16	<peter1138>	oh
03:17	<boekabart_>	actually i've thought of a sealevel patch that is a LOT better, but it requires an extra uint8 in map array
03:17	<boekabart_>	that's not acceptable, right?
03:17	<peter1138>	another one? why?
03:17	<boekabart_>	it's more realistic
03:18	<peter1138>	so all tiles need to store sea level?
03:18	<boekabart_>	yes
03:18	<peter1138>	o_O
03:18	<boekabart_>	makes lakes and stuff possible
03:18	<peter1138>	not possible to store it just for water tiles?
03:19	<boekabart_>	well yes
03:19	<boekabart_>	do water tiles have 8 bits left?
03:19	<peter1138>	no
03:19	<peter1138>	they have 50 bits free
03:19	<boekabart_>	wOOt!
03:19	<boekabart_>	where?
03:20	<peter1138>	all of m2, m3, m4 and m7, bits 2-7 of m5 and bits 2-5 of m6
03:20	<boekabart_>	you know that by heart? :)
03:20	<peter1138>	yes
03:20	<peter1138>	http://fuzzle.org/o/trunk/docs/landscape_grid.html
03:20	<peter1138>	i lied ;p
03:21	<boekabart_>	first we'll finish this, i need to focus...
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03:58	<boekabart_>	peter1138: only m7 would be usable, other are in use by dock, oilrig
03:59	<peter1138>	hmm
04:01	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	doesn't that suffice?
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04:02	<Rubidium>	I guess m7 will be used for oilrigs in newindustries
04:04	<peter1138>	and i'll be using it for stations, though probably not for docks, yet
04:12	<hylje>	with several water levels, rivers and other aquatic constructs might be a breeze
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04:15	<peter1138>	hylje: they'll be a breeze if you code it for us :D
04:15	<hylje>	yes, sure
04:15	<peter1138>	Rubidium: planespeed/taxiing
04:15	<peter1138>	Rubidium: if i apply a 'planespeed 1' patch, taxiing is really slow. acceptable? ;p
04:16	<peter1138>	(i gather that celestar doesn't care)
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05:00	<boekabart_>	hylje: I'm thinking the same thing and have the code in my head already.
05:00	<hylje>	thats great!
05:01	<hylje>	but i dont think any draining mechanisms can be had
05:01	<boekabart_>	I think they can
05:01	<hylje>	if so, that'd be totally sweet
05:02	<boekabart_>	But first i'll finish the basic high-sealevel-patch. I'm fighting with the drying-up after lowering sea level again... I don't want lakes to dry up....
05:03	<hylje>	lakes in this context?
05:03	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	just start "anti-flooding" from 0x0
05:03	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	anything not connected to the sea will then not dry out
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05:16	<boekabart_>	Eddi\|zuHause3: how do you suggest that drying up propagates then? instantaneously?
05:16	<boekabart_>	currently it's like flooding
05:16	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	yes, i thought like flooding
05:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	but i do not know how flooding is exactly implemented
05:18	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	you could implement it like a BFS
05:18	<boekabart_>	flooding is in tileLoop: if a tile is water and the neighbour is not, it will become wet too.
05:19	<boekabart_>	basically, drying up works the same now for water tiles that are above sea level: if any neighbour at same height is dry, dry up too
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05:24	<boekabart_>	i got it to work so that lakes stay wet
05:24	<boekabart_>	but they won't get larger if modified: they will dry up
05:25	<boekabart_>	since drying up is stronger than flooding, above sea level
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06:05	<Rubidium>	peter1138: does that slow taxiing mean that it is possible to get them stuck?
06:05	<peter1138>	no
06:06	<Rubidium>	then it's ok by me; planespeed should (ofcourse) be on all speeds of a plane ;)
06:07	<peter1138>	can always be adjust later, of course
06:07	<peter1138>	default to 1 or 4?
06:09	<Rubidium>	I'd say default to TTDs speed
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06:12	<peter1138>	so taxiing is slow? :p
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06:22	<boekabart_>	ever been in a plane? taxiing IS ALWAYS ANNOYINGLY SLOW!
06:23	<peter1138>	heh
06:23	<peter1138>	http://fuzzle.org/o/speed.diff
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07:36	<Tino\|r152>	f
07:37	<peter1138>	f?
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07:41	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	it's the letter next to g
07:42	<Sacro>	Eddi\|zuHause3: what a strange keyboard you have
07:43	<Sacro>	no...
07:43	<peter1138>	it's a letter next to f...
07:43	<Sacro>	its like that on mine too
07:43	<peter1138>	but not the letter...
07:43	<peter1138>	Sacro fails
07:43	<Sacro>	indeed he does
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08:20	<@Belugas>	hello
08:20	<peter1138>	Belugas :D
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08:26	<@Belugas>	#water water everywhere!
08:27	<@Belugas>	how's life, Master?
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08:31	<@Belugas>	it looks like i should start reserving bits and bytes for newindustries, if i don't want to see any left ones used up by the new water scheme :)
08:32	<@Belugas>	kick in the butt boy!
08:39	<boekabart_>	Belugas: You can relax, I've now got High Seas, Rivers and Lakes working with no extra bit used
08:40	<@Belugas>	congratulations :)
08:40	<boekabart_>	i hope
08:40	<@Belugas>	either way, i have stuff to clean on industries. requirements of a certain project of mine ;)
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08:41	<@Belugas>	map-oriented-stuff, might i add...
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08:44	<maddy>	how can i use newindustries from the nightlies?
08:46	<@Belugas>	you can't
08:46	<@Belugas>	it's not in the nighlties
08:46	<@Belugas>	it's not even on my own machines
08:46	<@Belugas>	welll not finished,that is...
08:46	<@Belugas>	far form it
08:46	<@Belugas>	far FROM it
08:48	<maddy>	ah, because in the logs i see every time new changes for newindustries
08:48	<maddy>	i thought maybe it is already available
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08:48	<Sacro>	newindustries?
08:49	<maddy>	or was it newcargo...
08:49	<maddy>	yeah!
08:49	<maddy>	newcargo
08:49	<maddy>	i meant newcargo
08:49	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	those are two different things
08:49	<Sacro>	its newcagoes
08:49	<Sacro>	*newcargoes
08:49	<maddy>	yes, i meant newcargos, not newindustries
08:49	<maddy>	how can i use them?
08:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	new car goes? you better hope it drives :p
08:50	<maddy>	Eddi\|zuHause3: :p
08:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	you can't use newcargos without industries
08:50	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	newindustries
08:50	<maddy>	lol
08:50	<maddy>	ok
08:50	<maddy>	then i forget about newcargos and newiindustries
08:51	<Thomas[NL]>	some people are talking about the new map-array format, what will be different at what will be the advantages?
08:52	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	there were lots of different plans for that... not all lead anywhere
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08:52	<@Belugas>	they do not know whata they are talking about
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08:53	<@Belugas>	they are confused by the evilish wiki!
08:54	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	the last plan i heard was stacked tiles, in preparation of flexible bridges
08:54	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	but apart from the C++ port, i have not seen anything happening towards that direction
08:56	<@Belugas>	can addition of m7 counts?
08:57	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	m7 has nothing to do with stacked tiles :)
08:57	<@Belugas>	no, but for new map array, it could, since it's a new array in the map!
08:57	<@Belugas>	lol
08:57	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	err... yes :)
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09:04	<ln->	boris yeltsin is dead
09:05	<boekabart_>	i just heard
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09:14	<peter1138>	heh
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09:14	<peter1138>	was he doing anything?
09:21	<boekabart_>	no, except for drinking a lot, apparently.
09:22	<peter1138>	now that i aspire to
09:22	<@Belugas>	slurp
09:22	<@Belugas>	burp
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09:37	<boekabart_>	Updated! http://boekabart.googlepages.com/sealevel
09:38	<hylje>	great"
09:38	<hylje>	!
09:38	<hylje>	omg
09:39	<hylje>	all we need is stream sprites?
09:41	<boekabart_>	yea, we do need those.
09:42	<boekabart_>	going home.. later!
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10:05	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i'd like to see: lake water, stream water (with direction), waterfalls, shallow sea, deep sea and ocean ground (when transparent) sprites
10:05	<maddy>	me too
10:06	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	and also streams affecting ship speeds :)
10:07	<maddy>	hehehe
10:07	<@Belugas>	steam ships
10:08	<ln->	what about frozen lakes with temporary ice roads over them?
10:08	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i don't think anyone outside finland thinks this is a great idea :p
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10:09	<ln->	or frozen lakes with temporary railroads over them?
10:10	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	somehow i knew that one was coming :p
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10:11	<hylje>	i didnt expect that
10:11	<@Belugas>	roads on lakes are known in here too.
10:11	<@Belugas>	trains on lake were used
10:11	<@Belugas>	not aymore
10:11	<@Belugas>	since eons
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10:12	<@Belugas>	frozen lakes...
10:12	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	hylje: a while ago he showed a picture of rails over ice, because the bridge was destroyed (by germans retreating in WWII)
10:12	<hylje>	:>
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10:13	<yeti_>	hi :)
10:13	<@Belugas>	hello
10:14	<yeti_>	when you upgrade your railways to monorail, what's the easiest method to upgrade your trains? build new depots, the trains, then copy orders?
10:14	<yeti_>	or is there something easier :) ?
10:15	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	i don't think so
10:16	<yeti_>	okay :) still a lot better than original ttd though. is it known when PBS will be back?
10:16	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	no
10:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	well, yes, the PBS you know will never come back
10:17	<Eddi\|zuHause3>	the new signal system will be much more than just PBS
10:19	<blathijs>	oeh, are there designs for a new signal system?
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10:23	<@Belugas>	ho... xyz is from Montreal
10:23	<@Belugas>	welcome then :)
10:24	<@Belugas>	don't know blathijs.
10:24	<@Belugas>	You might ask KUDr
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10:25	<xyz>	hi
10:26	<maddy>	hiho
10:26	<xyz>	what's with Montreal?
10:26	<peter1138>	pom te pom
10:26	<xyz>	what is that?
10:28	<@Belugas>	xyz, i am too :) i saw that on your address ;)
10:28	<xyz>	oh
10:28	<xyz>	ok
10:28	<xyz>	nice
10:28	<xyz>	:P
10:28	<xyz>	finaly spring coming
10:28	<xyz>	;)
10:29	<@Belugas>	you bet!
10:36	<@Belugas>	and gardening too. Nothing is for free :(
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10:36	<maddy>	i love gardening
10:40	<maddy>	is a change from the programming the whole day
10:40	<Ailure>	Yes
10:40	<Ailure>	It's like
10:40	<Ailure>	RL terraforming
10:40	<maddy>	lol
10:41	<maddy>	something like it
10:44	<peter1138>	heh
10:45	<peter1138>	press a few buttons to plant stuff...
10:47	<@Belugas>	or maybe obey the Grand Manager
10:48	<@Belugas>	your wife!!!
10:48	<peter1138>	hehe
10:48	<peter1138>	i need that bulldozer tool...
10:50	<HMage>	and if you don't have much time, use copy-paste patch
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10:52	<@Belugas>	that would be so cool
10:53	<HMage>	but it would mess your terrain if you make a mistake
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11:34	<Wolf01>	hello
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11:39	<xyz>	hi
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11:42	<adumitru007>	how do I use xmlNodeGetContent(NodePtr cur) to extract the info in an xml-sequence like this one? <tag1><tag2><text>CONTENT</text></tag2></tag1> ?
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11:45	<xyz>	adumitru007 ro>
11:45	<xyz>	?
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11:46	<@Belugas>	wrong channel :D
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11:47	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Belugas this a little offtopic, but do you know anything about cars tyres?
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11:47	<yeti_>	why do planes always fly a circle around the airport before landing?
11:47	<@Belugas>	Digitalfox[Home] : cars tires?
11:48	<Digitalfox[Home]>	I need to change my car tyres.. And i'm having a hard time to pick the right ones
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11:48	<@Belugas>	i know about winter tires and 4 seasons ones...
11:48	<Digitalfox[Home]>	so many companys and models
11:48	<@Belugas>	that';s about it
11:48	<Digitalfox[Home]>	It's an Audi A3 205/60/15
11:48	<Digitalfox[Home]>	yeah
11:48	<+glx>	expensive size :)
11:48	<Digitalfox[Home]>	i'm seraching for sites with reviews
11:49	<@Rubidium>	Digitalfox[Home], tip: go to a company that sells lots of tyres
11:49	<@Belugas>	my father-in-law owns a garage. he's the one selling me what i need
11:49	<@Belugas>	i never know the details...
11:49	<@Belugas>	i don't even know the pressure required :S
11:49	<xyz>	:)
11:49	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Rubidium: I did, to 3, but all have diferent tyres and models and prices.. It's so confusing
11:49	<+glx>	Belugas: look at the sticker when you open the door :)
11:50	<@Belugas>	i may do that :)
11:50	<Digitalfox[Home]>	And the you have tyres that cost 55€, 65, 75 120, etc...
11:50	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Anyway it's offtopic, so thanks :)
11:51	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Anyone knows a good review site for tyres?
11:52	<+glx>	Digitalfox[Home]: http://www.pneucity.com/
11:52	<Digitalfox[Home]>	glx: Thanks a lot :) :)
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11:54	<Chrissicom>	good afternoon =)
11:55	<Digitalfox[Home]>	hello
11:55	<xyz>	i think there is a bug in the intercontinental aeroport plane handeling code
11:55	<Digitalfox[Home]>	xyz: What's the bug?
11:56	<Chrissicom>	do you also have the problem that planes seem to use only one runway?
11:56	<xyz>	the plane that is taking of from the second runway (the cosest to the camera) makes a 450 degree turn
11:56	<xyz>	in stead of 90
11:57	<xyz>	450 anti-clockwise in stead of 9 clockwise
11:57	<@Rubidium>	what version are we talking about?
11:57	<xyz>	all til latest AI build
11:57	<xyz>	let me check
11:57	<@Rubidium>	(450 anti-clockwise != 90 clockwise)
11:57	<xyz>	:)
11:57	<xyz>	360 + 90
11:58	<xyz>	ups
11:58	<xyz>	is 36-90
11:58	<xyz>	360-90
11:58	<xyz>	sorry :P
11:58	<xyz>	so 270
11:58	<xyz>	is r9634 -noAI
11:59	<xyz>	i have a savegame if you want
11:59	<xyz>	or a screenshot
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11:59	<@Rubidium>	can you reproduce it in trunk?
11:59	<xyz>	let me try
12:01	<Chrissicom>	I just got a strange missing include when compiling the 0.5.1 source
12:01	<Chrissicom>	.\music\dmusic.cpp(15) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'dmksctrl.h': No such file or directory
12:02	<Chrissicom>	what file is that?
12:02	<@Rubidium>	you miss directX stuff
12:02	<@Rubidium>	so you need to install some DirectX SDK
12:03	<Chrissicom>	can I use the April 2007 SDK or is the 8.1 required mentioned in the readme?
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12:04	<xyz>	iep it is happening in the trunk also
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12:04	<@Rubidium>	and in 0.5.1?
12:04	<xyz>	:)
12:05	<xyz>	le me see
12:05	<@Rubidium>	Chrissicom: have you added the correct paths to the configuration of MSVC?
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12:06	<Chrissicom>	I am using a standard install of VC++ 2005 Express and didn't change any dirs
12:06	<Chrissicom>	and I copied the PSDK files to .../VC/PlatformSDK/include ./bin etc....
12:07	<Chrissicom>	that solved the problem of a missing winsock2.h and windows.h
12:07	<Chrissicom>	I am trying to install the DX SDK right now :)
12:08	<@Rubidium>	< Chrissicom> can I use the April 2007 SDK or is the 8.1 required mentioned in the readme? <- under the assumption that it's backward compatible, it should work
12:08	<xyz>	0.5.1 also
12:09	<Chrissicom>	I'll see if I can reproduce the problem xyz describes, I have a game open with icont airports right now
12:09	<@Rubidium>	can you make a bugreport @ bugs.openttd.org for 0.5.1 and attach the 0.5.1 savegame?
12:11	<xyz>	can i use the forum username for that?
12:11	<xyz>	or i have to register
12:11	<@Rubidium>	it should allow unregistered reporting, but I'm not really sure about it
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12:13	<Chrissicom>	do you have YAPF enabled in the patch settings xyz?
12:13	<Chrissicom>	I can't reproduce the problem in my game
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12:14	<xyz>	Chrissicom: yes
12:14	<Wolf01>	Belugas: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=578259#578259 oh dear :P
12:14	<@Rubidium>	the pathfinder settings shouldn't bother the airplanes
12:15	<xyz>	it is just for trains roads and ships
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12:16	<Chrissicom>	oh my the DX SDK has 441 MB :D that'll take me 6 or 7 mins till I can try if it solves my problem
12:17	<Chrissicom>	oh you're right hmm
12:17	<Chrissicom>	send me the link to your bugreport when you made it and I'll check your savegame here :)
12:18	<xyz>	ok
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12:21	<xyz>	Notice: Undefined variable: register_text in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 602
12:21	<xyz>	Notice: Undefined index: project_title in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 605
12:21	<xyz>	Notice: Undefined index: flyspray_userid in /www/openttd.org/bugs/includes/notify.inc.php on line 264
12:21	<xyz>	ups
12:21	<xyz>	:P
12:23	<boekabart>	Chrissicom: on my site you can find a torrent to a super lite version of DX-SDK (jan2007), install-less, perfect for building ottd
12:23	<boekabart>	http://boekabart.googlepages.com/
12:24	<@Rubidium>	MiHaMiX: why is flyspray still throwing warnings at new users?
12:24	<hylje>	the other solution is of course to use linux
12:24	<boekabart>	that's even more work than installing the full dx-sdk
12:25	<boekabart>	;)
12:25	<hylje>	depends
12:27	<Chrissicom>	oh cool link boekabart I'll give that a try :D although installing the DX SDK just fixed my problem already
12:27	<Chrissicom>	but I'd prefer a few files to a big installation :D
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12:28	<@Belugas>	Wolf01 : thanks, saw it, tried to cool down the expectations
12:28	<@Belugas>	hopefully...
12:28	<Sacro>	ooh tis a boekabart
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12:30	<dihedral>	hello
12:31	<xyz>	here is the link http://bugs.openttd.org/task/743
12:32	<dihedral>	http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/errmsg.png
12:32	<dihedral>	http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/errmsg2.png
12:32	<dihedral>	can someone tell me what that is about?
12:33	<dihedral>	i was spectating one of my games
12:33	<+glx>	what were you doing?
12:33	<dihedral>	hehe - was faster
12:33	<dihedral>	just toggling that button gave me that window
12:33	<dihedral>	every single time
12:34	<dihedral>	i have seen an empty error message box more often
12:34	<dihedral>	like when simply joining a game
12:34	<dihedral>	not that it influenced anything
12:34	<dihedral>	but it only started coming in 0.5.1 (RC3)
12:34	<peter1138>	hellay
12:35	<peter1138>	dihedral: "that" button?
12:35	<+glx>	autorenew
12:35	<dihedral>	yup
12:35	<dihedral>	as you can see
12:35	<dihedral>	when looking at the 2 screenies
12:36	<peter1138>	ah
12:36	<peter1138>	not obvious from one :p
12:36	<dihedral>	but like i said - it happens on more occations - though this being the reproducable one
12:36	<dihedral>	no - it's not
12:36	<dihedral>	thats why there are 2 :-D
12:37	<dihedral>	also once happened when i was spectating and ran a connect command...
12:38	<yeti_>	if i set my airplanes to autoupgrade to a larger model, will it rebuild the planes to carry the goods that the old ones carried?
12:38	<peter1138>	yes, in theory
12:38	<+glx>	if it can yes
12:39	<dihedral>	any ideas what could be causing these empty error message boxes?
12:40	<Chrissicom>	@xyz I downloaded your savegame and tried it, now I got what you exactly meant before :)
12:41	<Chrissicom>	it's 100% reproducable in any game with 0.5.1
12:41	<xyz>	:)
12:41	<xyz>	i think it is in the game till the introduction of the intercontinental airport
12:43	<Chrissicom>	I've just checked the behaviour on other airports
12:43	<Chrissicom>	and e.g. when landing on a metropolition or international airport they do this same full circle turn when leaving the runway
12:44	<Chrissicom>	it's not really a bug but not choosing the best path I think
12:45	<xyz>	well i gave it a low severity
12:47	<+glx>	dihedral: did that happen in RC2?
12:48	<dihedral>	not when i ran the connect command but i did not try it with the autorenew...
12:49	<dihedral>	i should still have a binary on my server i could test it quickly
12:52	<dihedral>	yes it does happen with autorenew
12:52	<Sacro>	0.5.1.1
12:52	<dihedral>	i'll try one of the versions before (0.5.0 and RC1)
12:53	<dihedral>	i feel 0.5.2RC1 coming soon :-P
12:55	<Chrissicom>	hmmm I still have an error when compiling 0.5.1 source
12:55	<Chrissicom>	I have a file C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\PlatformSDK\Include\mfc\afxres.h
12:55	<Chrissicom>	but when compiling I get this error:
12:56	<Chrissicom>	2>.\ottdres.rc(15) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open include file 'afxres.h'.
12:57	<dihedral>	well - it happens in 0.5.0 too
12:57	<MiHaMiX>	Rubidium: err... i don't really know, i'll test it
12:58	<dihedral>	i have also got more than one report of private messages not working
12:59	<dihedral>	but only if the server has been up for more than 5 games or so
12:59	<dihedral>	could it possibly be because of the higher client numbers?
13:02	<@Rubidium>	higher client numbers?
13:02	<dihedral>	i dont know
13:03	<dihedral>	connected clients get numbers
13:03	<dihedral>	at some part the number reach 2000+
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13:04	<@Rubidium>	I see no reason why it would stop working at around the number 2000
13:04	<dihedral>	i have no idea
13:04	<dihedral>	but it seems to be a reocuring issue
13:05	<@Rubidium>	but is it at 2000, or maybe ~256?
13:05	<dihedral>	i do not play there that much myself - i only go around and check up on the games
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13:06	<dihedral>	sometimes the pm's worked
13:06	<dihedral>	but very often (when the server has been running for some time) i get a report from players that it aint working
13:07	<dihedral>	SirkoZ just mentioned "after serving the 5th game or so"
13:08	<dihedral>	for my games that means running for about a week
13:08	<dihedral>	but to be honest
13:08	<dihedral>	i just updated to 0.5.1
13:08	<dihedral>	and i have a client count at 423
13:09	<dihedral>	so the 256 could be closer to the issue than the 2000 :-P 2000 really does not make that much sence
13:14	<Chrissicom>	I can't get rid of this error 3>.\ottdres.rc(15) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open include file 'afxres.h'. :-(
13:14	<Chrissicom>	the file is there though
13:14	<Chrissicom>	http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/a9d6a3ak(vs.80).aspx < done this, didn't help
13:16	<Chrissicom>	it also can't be my NTFS permissions, I also get the error when allowing everyone full access
13:17	<Wolf01>	i just saw the tv: in italy the theft of copper is very common, thieves cut the copper wires on the railroads too :P
13:17	<dihedral>	some players also report that the key below esc does not open the console for them
13:17	<Zuu>	dihedral: Depends on the keyboard-layout.
13:17	<Zuu>	It is the ~ that does it.
13:18	<dihedral>	Wolf01: you could add that do the list of disasteres... have a little italian run around the map and take some wires form the rails so the e-trains cannot run there anymore :-)
13:18	<Chrissicom>	Shift+Key below Esc opens the console for me
13:18	<Chrissicom>	(on German kayboard layout)
13:18	<Wolf01>	that's what i was thinking :)
13:18	<dihedral>	it does that form me to on german layout
13:18	<dihedral>	on uk layout it's the backtick (`)
13:18	<dihedral>	on the slovanian layout it does not seem to work with either
13:19	<Zuu>	For me it works to use t